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Your solution is elegant, and it works. But you can't have your cake and eat it. If you say that verification and truth are the same, then you are als...

Then you cannot claim that what has been verified is true, nor that what has been proved mathematically is true. SO there are no physical or mathemati...

Now the one I find problematic: Maths. The anti-realist thesis is that for a mathematical proposition to be true is for it to have been proved. So it ...

If all you want to say that all verified statements have been verified, then go ahead. But if you claim that all that is true is what has been verifie...

That's not what it says. It says all truths have been verified. The obvious conclusion is that verificationism is wrong, and there are unverified trut...

1. a is true ? (a is true) has been verified 2. a is true ? (a is true) is verified & (a is true) is verified ? a is true (def ?) 3. a is true ? (a is...

But verificationism holds that p is true if and only if it has been verified. And it follows that everything that is true has been verified.

Anit-realism in Aesthetics and ethics. Let's consider Fitch's paradox in the case of aesthetics. The anti-realist claim is that beauty is in the eye o...

Then where does the argument supporting Fitch's paradox go astray?

Understanding.

Fitch's Paradox There's a thread elsewhere about this, but it's a dog's breakfast. Since the topic is directly relevant to anti-realism it is worth me...

Indeed, and the solution may well be to stop playing that game by rejecting the division between object and subject. Look for a formulation that is no...

I don't agree with that. Setting stuff out as the "product of experience" detracts from what actually occurs - as if we choose reality. No, we are emb...

, Compulsory reading fifty years ago. He and Ian Gawler were part of my early training in meditation. They did not invoke the bullshit found in Transc...

Meh. use "reality" if you prefer, instead of "world".

Pretty much. Success doesn't enter into this. There's only consistency. The world is not what we experience, it is what is the case. That's a differen...

Interesting. Realism is embedded in a language and hence in a community. Solipsism doesn't get a foothold.

Cheers. Hence my puzzling about direction of fit. Consider Srap's planet example - what counts as a planet is imposed on the world, and yet restricted...

A neat case in point - thanks. The number of planets is both an observation and an imposition.

Hmm. Internal... you mean private? Something is amiss.

Animals participate in reality - they use it, in Wittgenstein's terms. Calling this a belief is surely a retrojection. It can "gain a grounding" by bu...

Well, I have, repeatedly. It's from his critique of this idea: We need to put aside the notion of an uninterpreted reality - there is no alternative t...

...which is to say that a realist requires only a binary logic, while an anti-realist must reject the law of excluded middle.

Seems to me that the framework is both imposed and observed. ...and reality is such that it can be divided up into tables and not-tables. As Davidson ...

You seem to be confusing modality and temporality; not everything that is possible occurs in the future, but that is what is implied by your post. So ...

A language community in part imposes its language on the world. We talk in terms of balls and stuff that is not balls. Like Anscombe's shopping list, ...

Yep. There's a mission to Mercury by the ESA and JAXA. Part of the mission is to decide if there is water at the poles - something hinted at by previo...

And yet the stuff "out there" does enter into the conversation. We (note the plural) talk in terms of mass and balls and so on. The direction of fit h...

's Markov blankets seem to be a more formal version of ' Dependency.

Well, indeed - that's what ought be happening. The realist says the ball is 1kg; the anti-realist says that "the ball" is 1 "kg", but refuses to commi...

@"Isaac" Evan if all we see is the way things seem to be to us, there may still be the way things are. Changing this to a linguistic argument, realism...

But this happens all the time. Bootstrapping.

Yep; and I'd add that it is telling that you must use the plural - "we" not "I", "Us" not "me". There is a way things seem to us, at least as much as ...

I was thinking more of different approaches in different situations; that the quest is not for either realism or antirealism, so much as which, when?

It seems so. After Lyotard, all language is political; and hence ethical. @"Joshs"?:

I don't see why not - unless you want to add some arbitrary rule of exclusion. Why shouldn't M be dependent on M? that's just recursion, and there's n...

No. I think answers that. And sets up some interesting questions I'd lie to see you answer.

SO science is discovers, ethics created? And we can work our way on from there. But to make the job more interesting, language is created, yet is used...

Why should the choice be exclusively one or the other? It seems plain that we both create and discover stuff.

What is it in the account that you gave that you take to be incompatible with realism?

Mathematics. By way of bringing in the logical implications of the topic, and where chatting about Fitch's paradox. InPitzotl was using code to explai...

May I presume to harrumph again? I still do not see what, in the account you give, is supposed to be problematic for realism. Or is that not your poin...

Maybe. If you are suggesting the anti-realist emphasises the content and the realist emphasises fact. Is that what you think?

Well, there's subjective, and then there's subjectivity. Perhaps we might look for something more than your intuitions. I had assumed you would adopt ...

But is it right?

Austin, who developed the theory of speech acts, argued extensively for realism using speech act theory.

I'm not following that. Anti-realism presupposes realism? Why? On one side we have that stuff is independent on what we say or think, on the other, th...

@"Joshs" The style manages to be both academically tedious and curiously interesting at the same time. I'll admit to being perplexed ads to what he is...

We experience things that are not part of reality. They are common enough to have a name - illusions. The other day I saw my favourite weeding fork in...

Think that's enough. Cheers.