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The claim of misattribution is not an accusation that begins with Ehrman. What he is saying is that if people had known who actually wrote the book th...

He is not implying anything. That the writings were falsely attributed is not in question. What he is contesting is whether false attribution was an a...

Did you read what the Wiki article says? Ehrman's contention is that what are referred to as "pseudepigraphs" or falsely attributed works, was not an ...

With the exception of John, there is no difference between them with regard to the claim that Jesus is God. None of them make such a claim. Instead of...

Using quotes from John does not show that Paul, Mark, Matthew, and Luke contain claims that Jesus is God.

1) The idea that God would have a begotten son is a pagan idea completely foreign to Judaism. 2) Again, where does he say this? Even a forgery has con...

1) Revisiting old issues in order to avoid the one at hand. The issue was what the term "son of God" meant in its Jewish context versus its pagan Chri...

1) What Ehrman may or may not have said elsewhere has nothing to do with what he said in the material quoted. And as I said several times, what he sai...

I have already made the arguments.

Some people are all too eager to make their beliefs known but defensively unwilling to have those beliefs examined or called into question.

I agree, but neither of them is my argument.

That may be what they believe but it is inconsistent with the historical facts. There is no one single Christian community. Christianity began as a pl...

I agree. I said earlier:

So am I. We are not. Anyone who has children knows this. It has been a long time since I read the literature, but the last I looked the idea of a tabu...

How do you know they already believed? And even if it were true, that still not not explain why something so important is not even mentioned.

Here's the thing. You have a vested interest in this I don't. If I'm wrong nothing changes. If you're wrong, and Jesus is not God, then your whole Chr...

Christians are not monolithic. They hold a variety of beliefs. If Matthew, Mark and Luke believed that Jesus was God why isn't that part of the good n...

Okay, you got me, its Bart not Bert. You are still avoiding the issues.

Isn't a logical defense a rational defense? If it can be defended rationally or logically then it should be capable of being understood rationally or ...

What is the difference between: 'Ehrman's' and 'Ehrman’s'. The first is from my post, which you quoted. The second is yours. Once again you avoid subs...

Some Christians, not all. I have previously pointed to the First Council of Nicaea where these issues were argued and left unresolved, but one side wa...

This is a fundamental mistake of Christian apologists. There are plenty of Christians who do see the inconsistencies. This does not mean they doubt th...

I am glad you see this. I am sure that others do as well. I have repeatedly pointed to the NT and he repeatedly turns away from it.

I did not misspell his name. His name is correctly spelled. It is the same spelling you used. The error is that I wrote 'scholar's' rather than 'schol...

I do not think you are confused. The Gospels do not form a single coherent whole. Most notably the differences between John and the canonical gospels....

Which is the better guide to living depends on the individual, her capacities, desires, and inclinations. Some people want be shown the way and would ...

All human knowledge begins with opinion. That is why Aristotle typically begins with the opinions of others and why Descartes begins by rejecting the ...

First of all, if I misspelled his name then so have you. According to Hurtado: This is not Ehrman's theory and cannot be dismissed by you as such. Thi...

There are yet further distinctions. Rather than describe it in my own words, here is a brief synopsis from a review of the eminent New Testament schol...

The problem is solved if the Gospels are read and interpreted on their own merits rather than through what came to be the "official" doctrines of Chri...

It is, but the consequences of that decision go beyond the individual.

Yes. I agree. I have known many who hide behind a religious facade.

An interesting claim. What evidence is this based on? Right, but the common man is not a stoic philosopher. In so far as you associate moral developme...

I agree. This is an issue that came up in the thread on individualism.

An irrational personal attack is not a rational defense of the rationality of the Trinity.

I don't think that this is the whole of the story. If people could be self-governing the need for government would be minimal, but they are not.

As long as you can agree on a moderator. The way things often go my concern is that a moderator would be needed to moderate the disagreement over who ...

"Close to doing" not come to a close. This was another thread on another forum.

There is a problem with the Trinity. It is an historical fact that has been wrestled with by Christians for and against the doctrine for all long as i...

I will leave open the question of whether the sheep are better off with or without a sheep herder. I did not say wise guidance. Note the three separat...

I suspect that you might consider anyone who rejects your views would not be a suitable moderator. My suggestion is that you just make your argument a...

There is nothing in my posts about myself. In an earlier post I said: I keep pointing to the problem of the Trinity. I have offered what many Christia...

The idea that religion is useful to rulers is often taken to mean that it is a tool for manipulation. It can be, but it is also useful for benevolent ...

It came close to doing what few topics are able to do, unite the forum in its opposition. At the same time it revealed the inability and unwillingness...

You miss the point. You can do one or the other, not both. You can attempt to make a rational theological argument and then deal rationally with any c...

Is that something you think you can do? It is not what I said. What I said is that one can make a rational argument for theological irrationality. Tha...

I recall in another forum you talking about Robert Solomon, maybe his "Spirituality for the Skeptic".

It is not about me. And it is not about you. This is about a very old problem that Christian theologians have wrestled with for well over a thousand y...

This is a perfect example of magical thinking, The fact that a thing and the power of a thing are not the same is no longer a problem because this bei...

It is not the system that has extension but the things that comprise the system