Unless they are things known that is exactly what they are. They are not things that you know. They are things that Socrates says are his opinion, tha...
The mods edited out a lot of what you said. No, I am doing exactly what you did with Strauss, except in this case the evidence is stronger. You use th...
They helped him emigrate, just as hundreds of other scholars were helped. What is clear if you would actually read him is that he was opposed to socia...
If you were to do more than judge a book by not even reading the cover you would see that what Strauss is talking about is not a teaching in this sens...
You do not read with anything close to sufficient attention when you read at all. I quoted Plato and you call it "your statement". I correct you and y...
Yes, he was working in the 30's, like many other Jewish scholars he was aided in leaving Nazi Germany, and because you found the title of an article w...
You have not shown anything. You have quoted spoonfed passages. An analogy does not show that dialectic is "sound". If dialectic is capable of produci...
What is it you hope to accomplish by making such false claims? Above on this same page: Do you really find it hard to understand why scholars from dif...
Here it is again: And again: And now, since you are unable to do that you further misrepresent it. And, of course, all this bluster and noise provides...
Your second sentence shows the first to be false. It does not matter what you may know about anti-Platonists like Dickinson, Shorey, and Crossman, the...
A feeble attempt to dodge. If this had been the only time I would have just moved on as I did elsewhere, but it is dishonest. You misrepresent what I ...
It's got wings and flies, it's not a dog. I had already said what I think the Socratic way of life is, and it ain't about building a theoretical const...
There is nothing missing. It is not a syllogism. What I am saying is that you pay far too much attention to Gerson. Unless a scholar from the 19th cen...
The Greek term is thumos, spirited not spiritual. In the Republic the chief characteristic of auxiliaries or warrior class is spiritedness. It refers ...
Good question. I don't find it in any of Plato's descriptions of the soul. I suspect it is a foreign import, an invasive species. Something that takes...
The question is whether he identifies a part of the soul as the spiritual part. The Wiki quote says that it is able to think. But if I remember correc...
How do you know that dialectics leads to knowledge of the Good? You accept it as an article of faith. Socrates also says this about dialectic: If dial...
First, the assumptions that Socrates describes in the Phaedo are the method by which he proceeds. He assumes the existence of the Good and the Beautif...
I assume the existence of a Beautiful, itself by itself, of a Good and a Great and all the rest. (Phaedo 100c) It this is a principle it is one an ass...
Unfortunately the single-minded focus on speculative theories about Platonism, regarded as unquestionable established facts, has resulted in the dialo...
, Does Plato identify a spiritual aspect? The spirited part of the tripartite soul in the Republic, for example, is not spiritual in the sense I think...
We are in agreement on this. But when he says it is his opinion do you think he is really saying it is not him opinion but something he knows? But he ...
How much do you think Plato knew? As you quote: Some say that Socrates did not know but Plato did. But why then would Plato have Socrates tell this st...
Right. I was referring the one of our resident MAGA trolls. call Oh, I misunderstood. That certainly does not apply in the case I was thinking of. In ...
I thought it was the atheists who were to blame, or the Marxists, or the liberals, or the socialists, or the communists, or progressives, or the "loon...
I came across an interesting interpretation of Descartes that led to my own investigation. I would start a thread on it but I do not want to have to d...
Right, and this is a major reason why those, like Plato who wrote books that anyone could see, as opposed to private conversation, had to hide their s...
I do think highly of Plato. I think the Laws rather than the Republic are better representative of his political thinking, but we live in a very diffe...
I am in general agreement. I think it is wrong to assume that what we find in the dialogues represent Plato's own views on metaphysics. In addition, a...
Yes, the gods of the city. There was nothing like the modern separation of Church and State. Civic piety and religious piety were separate. It was, bu...
I don't think there is much we can know about Socrates. Aristophanes gives us a comic caricature and neither Plato nor Xenophon give us a biography. A...
Yes. I think they are kindred spirits. He says: He is a complete skeptic when it comes to Plato because they are both skeptics and only a skeptic know...
Yes. We exist in the realm of opinion, not in the light of the Good itself. It should be noted that there are things that the prisoners have knowledge...
It really does seem perverse. Hour after hour, day after day. Right, I have said exactly that. The dialogues are an opportunity to dialogue. Exactly, ...
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