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I've learned to take your trash-talking on antiantalism with stride :). Suicide ideation in this case does not mean that people are actually thinking ...

Pretty much @"csalisbury" answered the question sufficiently. It's not so much that one is going to commit suicide, but that one can commit suicide th...

Agreed. Pleasures are often temporary (novelty wears off, you simply need more or something different once you get it), illusory (not as great as you ...

No doubt. Hope in future pleasures is another attachment. But does this translate that thus future people need to exist to be attached to the hope of ...

Then you are simply making normative pessimist distinction of the difference between a life worth starting and a life worth continuing and there is no...

I can't speak for past pessimists, but I don't think suicide is a necessary conclusion to not wanting to give life to others. A life worth starting is...

The aesthetic is not a given. People who disbelieve evolution for example- sometimes no matter how much evidence, they cannot accept it. That is a poo...

Well, some people will just say the same about pleasure and pain, unless it's physical. Then it will be about how people look back on the pleasure and...

Yes, aesthetics can be a justification. Pleasure and pain is one way of looking at things, but not the only way. Hedonistic or utilitarian calculus is...

It depends on what you mean by "bad" here. I don't think the classic pessimists thought "bad" means utter agony where you simply can't take it anymore...

I don't get this question really. I guess I will expand a bit.. Why does everything have to be utter agony to not perpetuate it? The aesthetic does no...

I have participated MANY times. I know you think every thread is modular, but it isn't to me. I have stated my reasons. I just don't want to go throug...

Again, I don't want to get into another antinatalism argument. At this point, you can probably dig through all my previous posts and find perfectly go...

Yes I agree with this. Due to evolutionary reasons we have a strong aversion to destroying our very existence. Thus, it's the ideation of suicide that...

The evaluation of the survival/boredom/flux dynamic is negative for pessimists. Simply because pleasure is accounted for in the system does not mean t...

Yes, but I might use a different analogy because the cake thing seems like it is about moderation. If you have just a little, it's not as bad, etc. Bu...

You sort of answered your own questions. Most people fear death and the end of their personal identity. It's not like ending a bad habit, this is the ...

I think he is addressing this to pessimists (the handful on here). The argument for him is IF the premise IS that life sucks, then why don't you just ...

The problem is "value" has to be "cashed out". There is no Platonic cashing out of value. It has to be valuable to someone.

Your first statement "I think it's wrong though" makes no logical sense based on the subsequent statements. You said: It is the larger picture, correc...

I think you are boiling pessimism down to a trope, which is unfair. Not everything has to be done in a clever little package ala Beckett or otherwise ...

@"The Great Whatever" Well, I see I'm being ignored.

That is a fine reading, and I think you are right. His way of saying subject/object is kind of the most "universal" aspect of the phenomenal world. I ...

So, pre-linguistic babies don't see color due to not having language? I see. I think, even if that was correct as to the proper cognitive origin of se...

That's fine- it doesn't change much to the fact that time/space is NOT in the world as Will and that is what matters. We can parse Schop's analysis on...

The first part of your statement seems to be a misreading of Schop to me. Existence is reality- yes. However, "roughly causality which presupposes tim...

I actually don't think he is saying that time existed in any absolute sense before consciousness. Rather, I think he is saying that we believe that ti...

This is a bit convoluted, but if I unpack it, he is saying that time did not exist before the first organism, even if appearances say otherwise. This ...

So you seemed to get the question but I did not see a response.

I am a bit confused by your definition of qualia then. When you see a blue sky, you see immediate sensations of quality such as blueness- even if you ...

I am not sure what is more immediate than the warmth and cold of touch, the taste of ice cream, the color of the sky, smell of something cooking, and ...

Yes.

Well, I thought I brought up a good point.

Well, it's not necessarily the paradox as much time and space does not exist outside representing organisms. This, to me, raises a problem that I stat...

Right, but that doesn't seem right either.

It sounds like the recognize the point that the representations can't exist before the first animal. Though subjectivity exists before representations...

@"csalisbury" Wasn't sure if you saw my last post.

If experiential forms can form representations. I thought only biological organisms can form representations in his view. Let me see if I can find a q...

I'm assuming everything else here means with Will/force or whatnot. That to me, would not go along with Schopenhauer's own system where space/time are...

But again, I do not think this answers the question. How is it that representations come out of nowhere at "x" particular time? If the representations...

If that is the case, then there is no causality in this pre-conscious period, and if there is no causality, as in this system, then there is no time a...

@"csalisbury"@"The Great Whatever" I was wondering what you thought about the two questions posed in my last post.

I agree mainly that his views on the passions seem to be generally Stoic in nature and probably origin. His view of tempering of passions especially s...

For what it's worth csalisbury, I think that Spinoza's genius is most readily evident in the Tractatus Tehologico-Politicus where, unlike anyone befor...

A separate question, is how does Schopenhauer account for changes. First there was a change from forces and chemistry into organisms. Then the organis...

But I am not asking why the Will is Will but rather why the flip side of Will is structured the way it is. I believe that question to be valid, being ...

I don't see how that comes from those quotes or the "larger context" of his philosophy. His statements seem pretty clear- tasks of survival, tasks of ...

While certainly I agree he said this sentiment, and I agree with him very much so on this point, there a many quotes just from his shorter works on th...

Again, I was proving that people have different understandings of human nature- all (according to them and their admirers) "reasonable". Again, I was ...

Really? Abominations? Not wanting to explain my whole philosophy in a particular post is an abomination now? Yes, any Schopenhauerian knows that he th...