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Okay, so we can agree on this. But this is not really something many people who are science-oriented would disagree on. However you go on to contradic...

You pretty much glossed over all my objections there, but okay. That supposed "canard" of being a substance person does not phase me. If that means th...

You are trying to put the ghost in the machine. Material and information with purpose are not the mental, they CAUSE the mental. Confusing the map for...

Hey BC, I answered the question in the other thread if you're interested, but thought I'd chime in on this topic as well. The Enlightenment has provid...

@"apokrisis" @"Bitter Crank" So there is one side "the physical" and the other "the mental". See diagram below: neurotransmitters/neuroarchitecture/ph...

Gibberish.. as I stated to @"Bitter Crank": Even more perplexing- what "is" the illusory? It has to "exist" somewhere. However, there is no answer it ...

Even more perplexing- what "is" the illusory? It has to "exist" somewhere. However, there is no answer it seems. There is no theater beyond the neuroc...

Is it? Artistic pursuits are just a second order effect of your underlying boredom. Entertainment is a way to not be bored. You choose mastering an ar...

Yet, this falls in the trap of most of these "just so" theories. "Where" is it that the illusion (e.g. the desktop icons), exists? It is an infinite r...

The world is absurdly repititious. You see, we are the only animal that can become aware of the this repetitiousness. I call it "instrumentality"- the...

Agreed.

If you needed something in the first place, something was missing.

@"apokrisis" @"Metaphysician Undercover" As stated- survival, boredom, dissatisfaction.

Now, on a different note, if you wanted to talk about the aggression of sex, there is in a way, an aggression involved that has little to do with the ...

Thanks, but not really, I was just reading up on some plausible theories in evolutionary biology and those stood out. I am also generally interested i...

Yep, I would think so. I do not think Schop thought this was an easy task. It would take a lot of training by the ascetic practitioner over many years...

Schopenhauer would say that becoming a hermit-ascetic would be the ultimate goal in purging the Will for good. It is the only road that leads to full ...

This all seems like a highly skewed "just so" story that bolsters a victimization stance that the author clearly wants to be the case. The Hurst-Hamil...

Survival is just one manifestation of the Will as mediated in the world of phenomena (space/time/causality/subject/object). At root, I think it is mor...

Generally, we are motivated by three basic things (two of which are deeper- one of which is immediate).The deeper motivations are survival and boredom...

Great summary! (Y)

Very Schopenhauer of you!

The concept of antinatalism is a logical response to the self-reflection on the repetitious (instrumental) nature of existence, the unrelenting desire...

I never understood what the big deal with the intelligible ideas, logic, and "other problems" were. I mean, sometimes I get a sort of buzz when I thin...

To add a bit, one of the better explanations for the differences in gametes specifically is the The Hurst-Hamilton Hypothesis which explains that when...

There are some theories that sex purges deleterious genetic information with each generation. This combined with the Red Queen Hypothesis might be the...

How so? The underlying condition is discontent. This wells up in our linguistic brains as some sort of goal to move away from discontent in goal-direc...

This is the core of Schopenhauer's theory of Will.

I have always made the distinction between pessimism (small "p") and Pessimism (capital "P"). Philosophical Pessimism is the idea that the human condi...

Instrumentality- we do to do to do to do... repetitious absurdity of Sisyphus... survival-related and boredom related desires that always need more bu...

You can also make the distinction between that which has the potential to exist outside an imaginary concept (given the right circumstances), and that...

Everything from parents, to motivation, to ability to control behaviors, to peer pressure, to natural ability, to inclination, and a whole variety of ...

One can say this IS the religious position.

How would "natural" be included in the explanation when "socially learned verbal constructs" usually falls under social and not instinctual, unless "n...

Not really. I am talking about the suffering that that individual will suffer, not as suffering as this tangible mass that accumulates or decreases wi...

That's just going to be a line in the sand then. But this is agent-centered and not about reducing suffering writ large. If I used my formula from pre...

I wrote this similarly about goals: Goal: the object of a person's ambition or effort; an aim or desired result (Google) 1) Are goals "real" in that t...

The person was brought about by someone conceiving and then birthing a child. Do you really believe it is the act of conception and birthing that anti...

Even if I grant you that "You" began at the instant of conception, as I stated, it is the whole process of gestation and birth that contributes to the...

Good points, but when you have a workplace with various levels of engagement, talent, abilities, and effort, that might be hard to justify and hence t...

But yet you said earlier, no one is the recipient of harm. When that "one" comes into existence (let's say 6 months is when some sort of conscious awa...

No one is the recipient of birth? Who cares.. Someone EXISTS who did NOT EXIST beforehand. Existing is harmful. Who brought about the existence of thi...

Admission of what? Birth is the CAUSE of existence for an individual, thus the CAUSE of suffering in the individual who is BORN as being born CAUSES e...

Pessimists think that being born itself is a harm. The proof being the examples provided from aesthetic pessimism I described earlier. I guess I shoul...

If someone is born, that person is exposed to structural and contingent harms where there could have been no person born who would be exposed to struc...

I feel that my arguments presented in this thread were strong enough to defend "antinatalism" in the form of aesthetic antinatalism mixed with basic (...

See my answer in the next quote to some of what you raise here. I would like to note, that you mention "serious" question versus not going to happen. ...

I can definitely get on board with this formulation. However, you are going to get the most flack from Premise 2. As Thorongil was alluding to, well-i...

I don't see how using future people's lives who will suffer is justified for the reason that they will contribute to something that helps already exis...