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Is it harder to become an optimist from pessimism than otherwise?

Shawn August 21, 2017 at 03:26 2550 views 6 comments
As the title states.

Thoughts and ideas?

Comments (6)

BC August 21, 2017 at 04:46 #98930
I think people are born with a bent toward pessimism or optimism, and I doubt they will have much luck deliberately converting themselves to the opposite. However, people may change, and if they do, I think they probably can't take much personal credit for it. Like, maybe a tiny little tumor begins growing in the "That will never work" gyrus or the "What a great idea" sulcus of the limbic system and produces a gloomier or sunnier take on the future. I, for instance, have unaccountably become more optimistic and cheerful in the last few years. Probably a tumor. Or early alzheimers.
Shawn August 21, 2017 at 04:48 #98931
Quoting Bitter Crank
I, for instance, have unaccountably become more optimistic and cheerful in the last few years. Probably a tumor. Or early alzheimers.


Sounds good. Let me know how I can get or adopt said tumor.
schopenhauer1 August 21, 2017 at 05:16 #98932
Quoting Posty McPostface
As the title states.

Thoughts and ideas?


I have always made the distinction between pessimism (small "p") and Pessimism (capital "P"). Philosophical Pessimism is the idea that the human condition is inherently negative. Schopenhauer, for example, thought that the humans, at root, have insatiable desires that are never satisfied, creating a suffering and angst. Along this idea is instrumentality, the repetitious, absurd nature of our repeated goals, desires, and personalities that unify an otherwise absurdly senseless world. It is the hamster in the wheel. Pleasure, self-actualization, learning, achievement, scientific/technological innovation, aesthetics, humanities, and relationships and the anticipation of getting all this are the main reasons why people have hope and feel a sense of life's worth. Pessimism questions if life's structural insatiable desires related to survival and boredom, and instrumental repetitious absurdity, along with the harms of circumstantial suffering (all the usual harms that may befall someone) is worth it.
TheMadFool August 21, 2017 at 07:57 #98944
The truth is, there's more suffering than happiness in the world. So, pessimism seems almost obvious.

An optimist, on the other hand, has to overvalue happiness to suffering to support his position.


So, it's easier to go from optimism to pessimism than the other way round.
Agustino August 21, 2017 at 08:28 #98950
Quoting Bitter Crank
I think people are born with a bent toward pessimism or optimism, and I doubt they will have much luck deliberately converting themselves to the opposite

Well, I haven't "deliberately" converted myself from one to the other, but it's just a fact that when I was a tad younger I was a lot more optimistic than I am today. I still act optimistically today, but deep inside I feel pessimistic. For example, even when I go to the gym, I don't have a "can-do" attitude. I'm like "oh man, I won't be able to finish my routine today", and I feel depressed inside. But I still do it in the end - like I don't give up, but I have to force myself to do it (which does take me a bit longer). After I finish it, I feel happy though. But I always start thinking I can't do it - and this exists in most areas of my life, including business/work.
BC August 21, 2017 at 19:20 #99036
Quoting Posty McPostface
Let me know how I can get or adopt said tumor.

I'll have somebody send it to you as soon as I am dead.