I don't think the positive nature of the world is as you make it seem. There is a negative quality to existence itself having to do with its circular ...
Agreed It lasted for a while but eventually was squashed. By that time though, it was all variations on Pauline anyways. Once past the layer of James ...
I'd like to preface this with the fact that I don't believe any of this happened, and that this far back in Genesis is basically pure mythology drawn ...
Its funny, but who gets to decide what "sin" is? In the Hebrew Bible, sin tends to be tied to error in following Mosaic law. You didn't follow the Sab...
I am trying to understand how it is that a species can have negative evaluations of a given task- especially ones related to survival, and have negati...
I did demonstrate the conclusion (I am not sure it is necessary, but sufficient). That is to say, we have enough degrees of freedom in our psyches to ...
I gotta admit that that post was hard to unpack- perhaps you can put that in more clear everyday English :chin: . It sounds like RAH is about concern ...
Excellent cliff notes there, by the way. I'd like to add that I think Heidegger was trying to get to some sort of original stance the human consciousn...
I'm not saying humans are driven by 'higher motives'. In fact, often I emphasize how much of our motivation comes down to survival, adjusting comfort ...
I mean because you say it ain't so, don't make it ain't so. My question is how human decoupled from instinct to plasticity (not to deny there are some...
So if we use this article as a starting point: https://www.eva.mpg.de/documents/Sage/Tomasello_Ape_CurrDirPsychScience_2010_1552616.pdf Tomasello seem...
As I said above: Rather, I'd like to focus on how humans developed the vast amount of plasticity (compared with other animals), and minimal amounts of...
Oh so birds set up institutions of learning to teach about the latest technology? Of course not. There must be some sort of difference there, don't yo...
Okay, so this debate isn't about how similar or unique necessarily learning capabilities are. I've had these circular arguments before. What I'm getti...
I think this objection arises from a sort of category error you are making or at the least, a false dichotomy between being "caught up" and "stepping ...
I see you saying that life is mainly about the meaning one gets from it through roles in society or esteem from a role in society. That can be added m...
I agree. I saw that you might have had a longer post, but it seemed like it was deleted. I'm thinking there's an argument that these goods are rarely ...
So, I thought this was a very good post. This essentially outlines negative utilitarianism and deprivationalism in regards to positive value of good. ...
But this is the way antinatalists mean it. It is the "autobiographical lifetime" sense of "something", not the physical constituents themselves. As @"...
The problem of human suffering is yet another intractable problem. The phenomenology of suffering can be very hard to put into words. Let us say you h...
I look at it this way: The situation now is that larger business owners, corporations, non-profits, and governmental organizations need workers to mak...
Hey, a bit unnecessary no? You said: Seems to align with what I was saying. You put it into terms of importance, I put it in terms of accessibility.. ...
You are making my point, not refuting it. This is making my point again, not refuting it. Not sure how you didn't pick up that this assessment accords...
I just don't think it would be that simple. There's also group think- tyranny of the majority. Let's say you're part of the guild of the widget progra...
No it wouldn't.. So you are now getting to the heart of the argument. What would the workers do to ensure products/services are being carried out? I w...
Similar to Bitter Crank's example of architecture and art, this just proves that material culture can be related to religious traditions, but not nece...
I don't know- someone praying, meditating, or doing some act/deed that is deemed holy, seem pretty accessible. Even the "minutia" of religious laws an...
@"Jake" @"Wayfarer"@"Shamshir", To be fair, many of my arguments are a (sometimes not-so) veiled defense of Philosophical Pessimism. This thread/argum...
Yes, and of course, this "learning how to be Socialist Citizens" and getting "good at playing our respective roles" have been the basis for much strif...
Okay, so what refined debate about religion would you like to have? They are just rehashed Platonic and Aristotlean arguments ala apologetics. What am...
Music, architecture, art, etc. are all material culture. That isn't mysticism par excellence. The material culture, the production involved, is what m...
I'm not discounting other explanations, but one main theory is that it gives an easy to tap into access to something that is presented as foundational...
Again, the theory comes from the fact that its accessible. Why is it accessible? It isn't something that can see tangible results. The goals can't eve...
Yes, but that would be true in a material sense that it is actually creating functions by harnessing natural processes and materials that are useful f...
No, this is changing the language. A person is in fact forced into existence by mere fact of being procreated. The child/adult is then given a choice-...
I'll give you two answers- the absolute, the sorta absolute, and the relative. The absolute: Once born, the game of life/ the neverending treadmill fo...
So since this is the crux of my argument, I am going to focus on this, though we can go back to the subjective stuff later. The claim is controversial...
This is a bit of a digression to my main argument which is that it is objectively bad to give a metaphorical obstacle course or relentless treadmill t...
I noticed you didn't quite address my argument but moved it to one that I wasn't quite making. What I said was that forcing an obstacle course or rele...
Forcing someone into an obstacle course or a challenge is objectively bad, even if the participant eventually identifies with the challenges forced up...
We cannot be unborn, but we can prevent others from being born. We can rebel against the cruelty of the treadmill that is life, by simply not putting ...
I'd like to go back to the treadmill idea. When bringing a child into this world, they are going to be on the perpetual treadmill or get flung into th...
Actually, that's not too far off :D. Human life comes from deliberate acts. If people deliberately, prevented birth, people would not be born. This is...
Yes, that is actually similar to my answer when people ask me, "What's the point worrying about future people, when you are already born?". The answer...
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