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@"fdrake" This was the start of this particular sub-discussion. I'll refrain from making comments regarding the context of Witty in the broader philos...

That is not so. It's the same stinking distinctions that are being made, just in different terms. It's all the same at the end of the day, whether you...

So this has to do with what I said about epistemology and ontology. Speculating about ontology beyond human interaction with it. If that is meaningles...

I mentioned survival, as you mentioned earlier that people went about surviving fine long before science, and I agreed with you. I said "useful in som...

Ok, I'm with you there. Right, but we have to parse out the way I am using the idea of "different" or "break" here, as it is different than what you a...

Let me ask you this: What is the difference between technologies and explanatory powers before the Scientific Revolution/Enlightenment/Industrial Revo...

Yes, then I'd agree with Witt, that per evolutionary forces like theory of other minds, and social learning (something most other primates lack), huma...

No, that is now taking me out of context, ignoring what I said earlier. I said that all humans, even tribal ones, have a basic inferencing capability,...

I deem math and more specifically, mathematical logic as a set of logical frameworks for proofs, axioms, and such that try to lay the foundations of m...

It's either gnashing of the teeth, or meant to piss off..either way, its emotional unnecessary flourish.. and I think you are clearly a well-read post...

Before I answer anything further.. I'd just like to make a plea in this forum to stop vitriolic hyperbole that. it's unnecessary rhetorical vitriol an...

Ok, I must clarify here- I'm not anti-Witty to be anti-Witty. I came out swinging hard. His language-games idea, I find enormously useful insofar as d...

You said: Witt's theory of the foundations of math are similar to that of language, in that he thinks it dissolves once it is shown to be a game of so...

I think Wittgenstein makes an illegal move by trying to on the one hand dissolve the basis for rules like math (equating it to the diagonal moves of a...

I think we are actually getting at similar conclusions. Look at my previous post about this here: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/29...

Sure that's another way to look at it. I think we have to try to understand why Frege wanted to tie math to logic. I made a "jump" perhaps on why Freg...

@"StreetlightX"@"Banno" Frege tried to prove that math is reducible to logic and invented "formal" logic as a result. Russell and AN Whitehead tried e...

The problem is, this invariance "works" for predictive models and technological problems. The usefulness of the logic is then what matters. Also, ther...

I think my last post here, is getting to your point as well: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/292353

Both of you seem to be hitting at my last post.

@"Joshs" Thermodynamics, Maxwell's equations, all sorts of electrical, chemical, and physical laws, these are the basis for much of the technology we ...

This is sort of going in the direction I trying to go. idea here is also leaning in that direction to. are looking in that direction. I notice most of...

What is the implication then?

But what are you implying here?

I'd have to agree with them both here, but in different contexts. Heidegger gets right the overarching picture- we are a striving animal (pace Schopen...

Can you explain the practical implications of the difference between Heidegger's "mattering" and Levinas' "end in itself"?

The problem is, logic has as its backing, things like technology. For example, boolean logic is the basis for how electrical signals get turned into l...

I guess I have the same response to you as ghost: But where would philosophy be without the extreme minutia mongering of all forms of logic? The logic...

I think Rorty is right. But where would philosophy be without the extreme minutia mongering of all forms of logic? The logicians and philosophers of m...

Slow your roll there. I'm just suggesting that certain types of philosophy are extremely detailed pictures of that person's interpretation of what is ...

Thus Spoke Janus just doesn't sound as good.

Thanks Inyenzi. Hmm :chin:

That's how that works.

By popularity, this is the consensus, or Janus thinks so only, or is it up to the individual?

That's fine but I'm also trying to make the point that, with a philosophy like Heidegger, what makes his insights any greater than mine? Is it credent...

I find Heidegger's thrownness, idea sort of useful- the facticity of what is already-there, and what has been shaped historically. Also, the idea that...

So it describes my annoyance at the maddening creaking and stomping sounds I hear everyday from my inconsiderate upstairs neighbor?

Indeed Hobbes had a bit of the pessimist about him.

Can you explain that? I think that is the crux of your critique, but a lot of Heideggerese is lost on me- mainly because more specialized jargon is us...

I don't know much about the hell and brimstone guy you are quoting, so I can't say specifically if he had a set of sins in mind. However, this seems t...

Yes, but I said that. Again, did you read my first post you responded to? I said:

I just take it as a metaphor that we should embrace life fully and our fate. I'm more of the opposite variety- that is to say the Schopenhaurean persp...

I'm not sure you fully read or comprehended my last post. I acknowledged that the idea of Original Sin, as far as I see, started with Paul and later C...

Having children is a choice one makes on behalf of another. Someone else doesn't have to endure life because of another's decision. Not having childre...

That's the thing, I never quite understand Heidegger. Ok, so present-at-hand is not reflective thought, it is "theoretical or logical analysis". Well,...

Yep, very Nietzschean to me. Yes, we've discussed this idea that there are absolute good experiences in the world. I mentioned there being six or seve...

Good point, which is why I claimed that it is actually Nietzsche who is the most pessmistic philosopher (contra almost everyone else's interpretation)...

This is an interesting metaphor, but do not think it is exactly what Paul's (and later Augustine's) definition of Original Sin was. It is the idea tha...

Yes, like troubleshooting a technical problem. You may know some of what to do, but it's not a flow state by any means, but grueling attempts to match...

Nonexistence never hurt nobody. Why should someone have to experience the ups and downs in the first place? It's a set of challenges (or "adventures" ...