That's not true at all. But yes, arguing with you is objectionable at times. The point is that if you are affecting someone so profoundly as in the ca...
Yeah I'm not putting the other premises in there. I think you can fill those in..and if you can..you know where the argument was going in the first pl...
I did mention entertainment. Soccer would fit under there. Comfort are things not out of boredom or survival. For example, people generally prefer cle...
So it is impossible to distinguish degree of harm? One cannot weigh the difference between the probability of a tortoise falling on one's head vs. dri...
It isn't if you phrase it correctly. Personally, I focus on the affect/effect and not so much on the consent argument, but it can be phrased in a way ...
Granted- this was essentially what Kant was trying to do. But my question here wasn't so much whether we can get objective facts, but what a non-self ...
Being a category error is irrelevant. The logic follows if you use the term "impossible". If it is impossible to get consent and a future action leads...
All @"Bartricks" is saying is that you CAN'T give consent prior to birth. Birth causes unknown suffering. Ergo, DON'T give birth since consent is impo...
I am a bit confused on your position.. First you say "nothing exists without a perspective" and then you say that "it's not an objective reality". To ...
I think this has to do with point of view. We accept that human selves have a point of view and that animals have a point of view, however, can there ...
@"Wayfarer" I think that a lot of this has to do with point of view. We can never step outside our point of view. We generally accept other "selves" h...
So as far as a species or overall existence is concerned, there is no end goal. For the individual human, we are bounded by the limits of survival, ou...
At the end of the day we only have the point of view of ourselves. We can try to fit ourselves into some grand plan, but it still goes down to the ind...
I wasn't arguing, at least in this thread or yet rather :). Well, I should say a "stand in", a synonym maybe for "what is the case". As for being not ...
I think a place to start is can we say that God can be a metaphor for "what is" (aka metaphysics)? Does God have to have a telos (a universal end or g...
It is the same type of relation, except the conditions are that of human existence instead of the slave owner. There are conditions which cannot be ov...
So I had a post once about if a it was good to put a slave in slavery if they identified with the very slavery that was enslaving them. People can be ...
So your question is, once born, is life worth living for some people? I would say yes. Then I would say, that this is different than whether someone s...
No, then this is ignoring my argument, which was that interests and commitments are the default of being born- we cannot avoid them as they are what w...
I wish people kept this understanding you present here in mind when trying to argue some sort of non-identity objection to antinatalism. It is ridicul...
So once born, humans naturally gravitate to goals and interests they don't want to lose. Prior to birth, no one has interests to lose in the first pla...
Wow, you completely miss the point of separating STARTING a life and CONTINUING a life. Continuing the life already born, is different scenario. Someo...
The point is one alternative means no one experiences harm and no one is deprived of good (because there is no actual person who exists). As I've seen...
No, I am telling you where our culture even got this notion of human rights in the first place, as it evolved over time and place- that is to say, his...
Yeah and it is ridiculous. You are mostly just "venting" on others.. spewing the bile, so to speak. Human rights started as a concept arguably from th...
Your whole notion of rights is so handwaving and full of assertion, I don't know where to begin. You don't even present a foundation. You mask your la...
Characterizing an argument is not dealing with the argument qua argument. It is placing it in a box so as to not actually tackle the questions it pose...
I agree. The agenda is more important than causing the conditions for an individual's harm. They think it is acceptable, justified, and perhaps even d...
What's interesting about the implications of this type of thinking is that humans are sort of a "group-think" entity which is working towards..."somet...
This is called the "non-identity" issue in philosophy and it really doesn't apply here in the case of antinatalism. A future person will be born if a ...
As khaled was stating...Let's say I like my job- I'm just going to "allow" you to have to do it for a life time (obviously the job being a metaphor fo...
Way to ignore almost every other thing surrounding that statement. But, since you focused solely on this particular part, I'd like to explain that for...
And my point is there is no absolute 1:1 ratio that this is the case. In fact, this is painfully reductive. As you would admit, the human experience a...
This is just not causally taking into account what is going on. The child is born via the parent. If the parent is not abusive, the parent tries to ha...
Even what are considered minor negative conditions can really fuck with someone's well being and adjustment in the world, far beyond what others, even...
No you can't do that. Khaled was trying to understand what you meant by "Nature". You were unclear- was it that nature only has one way and we are aga...
That makes no logical sense. Nature's design? Humans have freedom of thought and can do any number of actions. Nature here implies there is only one p...
Why does the "human experience" need to be lived out in the first place? It sounds like a knee-jerk idea of "because existence has some good points, o...
So I wrote a post that works as good as any as a proper response: ....I have this idea that this world can be characterized as "growth-through-adversi...
The first political act was that of being born in the first place. Suicide is not the reverse of never being born. Certainly some form of harm challen...
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