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I agree there are constraints by society and environment/circumstances. So why put people in these restraints in the first place by having them be bor...

You almost bring up a good point. That is to say, everyone is in debt due to being born in the first place. Political science starts often with "state...

Undoubtedly, but my point was that the concepts of life, liberty, pursuit of happiness being some sort of universal or fundamental right, originated f...

Were universal rights something that the Founding Fathers and their Enlightenment brethren made up? If they made the idea of "rights" up, and they did...

You are assuming that people need to exist in the first place. The first act of aggression is having people, which confines them to the "realities" of...

But they absolutely don't. I direct you to the asymmetry if you really need it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Benatar

Sometimes, only a handful of questions really matters. Everything else stems from those assumptions. I go back to first principles and do not jump to ...

So we negate people's individual's harm by aggregating it into some utilitarian calculus? What's the point? Wait, the point is all the aggregating suf...

If no life = no harm, and life = harm + possible "flourishing", why should flourishing take precedence over no harm?

It is odd to think about- you could not be anyone but you. But in the argument does it matter if you were a changing self? This argument is slippery s...

:lol: Good point. Deal with now, or deal with later

It's very closely linked, except existing means something... I am claiming for human existence (human nature?) there is a self-aware "dealing with" or...

Clearly, we disagree. Shocker. But, at the end of the day, I am creating no fuss or mundane things for someone else. Answer me, why is it needed in th...

So, now who is exaggerating for effect? Again, why are you picking up this shit-pile of a reasoning. So life is just doing dishes only then? Also, EVE...

No, this whole course of reasoning that Terrapin and now you are following is ridiculous. He used an example of something that wasn't a "dilemma" to p...

Stop trolling. In the context, it was about what is motivating the action. That's all I am getting at. Discomfort, dissatisfaction of some kind. To ta...

No one has escaped anything. We cannot change our natures, and we cannot change larger social and economic structures. Yes we definitely habituate in ...

Force-recruiting more people into an inescapable game to strive-after, deal with that "informs existence" is all that matters here. The burdens of the...

Yeah, the emphasis should be on reducing all births for reason of not creating suffering for another person, and force recruiting new lives to an ines...

Heraclitus would be proud, as would Schopenhauer. Schopenhauer thought, metaphysically, all was unrest, and this makes for a pessimistic human existen...

I am not arguing it's a "dilemma". But please, what is the reason you are washing the dishes?

Cool..and why?

Yes we all are.

But you didn't have to clean it. Something cultural and personal compelled you.

Why did the person wash the dish in the first place?

It's there by fact of being there. Wait that was zen.

I'm liking the themes of complexity and time.

Yes, T Clark is kind of right. This is yet another reason not to procreate someone else into this situation. What this could inform us, the already-al...

Interesting themes there.

But the fact that there is even a reason to zen out on washing dishes is a dealing with.

True based on being a fact. Yes, but again, the initial separation is there, and then the (basically) forced working towards fixing the gap. This is d...

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I think you are saying that philosophy doesn't assume anything. I think it is good. We are not robots who just do stuff, but ask why, analyze, compare...

I know :D

I do like focusing on existential matters and basic assumptions- why people assume "dealing with" is good. Why people assume "progress" is something p...

Yes in a rough way, and you notice here in the article: This might describe a lot of what I am talking about in terms of structural suffering and unab...

I will grant you that a lot of mundane habit-behaviors are not dilemmas nor seen as problems to overcome. That is unless something goes wrong, missing...

Hey I guess you just have to "deal with" the situation :lol: .

No, you understood very well. I agree with your assessment too. And if we add to the fact that problems will not cease to need to overcome, that is a ...

Well right, and you hit on an interesting issue. I think people identify with the terms of this existence (like suffering, and "dealing with") because...

Well, I don't think I am overthinking it. Rather, I am analyzing what people don't perhaps analyze. I believe in existentialist literature at least, t...

Agreed. Suffering apparently gives you more credibility. It's used in various ways too. For example, because someone is starving in Africa, your pain ...

Then don't respond.

Again, miss the point which was broadening the very assumption of "dealing with" in the first place that generally, people (I guess like yourself) lik...

What the hell is your problem... You approached and are now worse than Terrapin levels of debate etiquette.

I interpreted the response a bit differently.. He may have been simply giving an explanation rather than an admonition. I was thinking there was a sly...

He used the term "us" in hyperbole terms, just showing what it was conveying.. US- the "real people", "genteel society", "the regular Joe" annoyed at ...

Yes, there are apparently people like @"Terrapin Station" that don't care about causing unnecessary harm where it can be completely prevented unto ano...

It's a colloquialism you are taking too far then. Clearly no actual "thing" is "thrown" into the world. A person is conceived, gestated, and birthed i...

Well, this is partly why I am questioning this in the thread- specifically the slogan "Do something about it". In this case, I am delving into the ide...