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Indeed, I like your idea of FEAR of deteriorating morality. I'd like to contrast the "appeal to a higher Being or Word of God" to the "appeal to the W...

True, this is more of a US phenomenon, but there are right-wing movements in Europe and other places, perhaps less overtly religion-based. Certainly, ...

But what if religion is just seen as it is, a fantasy meme of the past, a part of ancient cultural community practice, but not necessary post-Enlighte...

Note, for this one, I did use ChatGPT to help flesh out some ideas. This was not a "one and done" prompt, but was continually being reshaped. So if th...

As an aside, based on @"AmadeusD"'s position, he doesn't want to do the following: 1) Impose antinatalism 2) Impugn others who don't believe in the ri...

I'd give a slight rebuttal to this that it depends if you are a utilitarian or a deontologist about it. A utilitarian would say that it is about the o...

I don't know what you are getting at here. You are discussing redemption, and then this looks to be about the notion of "inherent good and bad" or so ...

How did you derive this from position and action? Am I not understanding the common usage of those words?

I really don't know what you're getting at here about action and position in regards to the non-identity issue.

I feel my post you quoted from sufficiently goes over reasons why the non-identity issue is a red herring. It's an abuse of language to reason that fu...

So you are introducing a bunch of strawman scenarios into the AN argument, as it looks like you are not understanding the domain of antinatalism. Anti...

Why are we so in far up the realm of abstraction in these language talks. Language is something that comes from biological processes, no? We are evolu...

Perhaps this whole debate is misguided because you need empirical/observational evidence to construct a theory of how "use" creates "shared meaning" o...

The man said OUTRIGHT before the election that if he loses it will be because of fraud. He literally said what he was going to do before anything happ...

Right, because organizing fake slates of electors, organizing (but with just enough plausible deniability!) violent mobs at the capitol to pressure th...

Yeah Trumps rhetoric is normal shit a leader should be saying :ok:. If nothing else, his association in trying to find any way to thwart election resu...

Interesting you took offense... Are you the expert then? Is this admission ;)? I guess I'm asking, what are you talking about? My comments to @"NOS4A2...

I swear there are paid social media people here in "The Lounge" discussions on behalf of who knows what interest groups.

Firebrand? What do you mean by that? You can have politicians with enthusiasm with out being race-baiters, promote conspiracies and misinformation if ...

Yeah, Trump's rhetoric is just "normal" political rhetoric. No difference in content or style whatsoever from other US politicians running in the last...

I'm sorry, but in a normal candidate, this might make sense, but Trump spews nasty rhetoric every day of his public life, when someone calls him out o...

You are quite right that I will disabuse you here :). That is to say, within Schopenhauer's The World as Will and Representation, especially Book 4, h...

And again, how is antinatalism "rallying around some charismatic leader"? And if you are misconstruing me referencing an author as the "cult leader", ...

Funny you say this because Ligotti in his book called pro-natalists as part of the "Cult of the Grinning Martyrs". So, this name-calling can go both w...

Antinatalism doesn't look so weird now, eh? ANs the next politically persecuted class?? The childfree will be lumped in, so it won't really be AN as m...

I don’t see how you link With religion. You’d have to actually include something pertaining to religion to complete that linkage. Ethics is not religi...

But for dramatic effect, you are of course conflating "individual death" and "species death". So, to use your ubiquitous analogy, the "global constrai...

Interesting how that works. But on a technical note, "antinatalism" as you are using it is not quite how it is used in the philosophical literature in...

I could be way off, so @"apokrisis" can correct me on his own notions, but it seems like apokrisis mentioned this kind of "indigenous" model (though h...

Isn't this sort of @"apokrisis" Model B steady state notion? I guess it's a more explicitly green version of this? Seems to be a variation nonetheless...

Let's say the context is this one.. You said the answer would then be: So, leaving legality out of this, what would be the answer to the utilitarian t...

I guess what I'm getting at then is, what would be a justification for an ethical decision? If we said something like, "We are entropic beings with gl...

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That's one way to handle it. But this way you speak of reminds me of problem with this thermodynamic way of looking at the world in the mind/body prob...

Underlying this line of thinking is a determinism already set out "globally" (as you might frame it), even if we can't predict the local variations th...

If I read this correctly, is asking you to explain what the ethical course would be knowing that our resources might be constrained by a certain impen...

Entering the chat... Yes, one positive outcome of antinatalism is preventing resource strain.

The Essence of religion is a god or gods that tests its victims/players, and if his players fail they will be cursed with disease, disaster, and death...

I find the dichotomy interesting because "colonialism, racism" and the science for the "atomic bomb" were terms invented by (people of the) Enlightenm...

Yeah?

So... you like Ligotti's Conspiracy Against the Human Race, correct? Do you think that title means a "literal" conspiracy? And if you don't, why would...

The neverending debate between mappers and terrainers.

I will not play into the conspiracy: https://pictures.abebooks.com/isbn/9780984480272-us.jpg I've discussed this before, there are coping mechanisms o...

So as usual, you fail to understand what I said and make a strawman of it. Let's breakdown what I said: Notice I said "live in the world", NOT the wor...

True, I did think that too.

As long as we live in a world not of our making, that often causes great harm to the users and which the users cause great harm to each other, then no...

I think you fail to grasp Schopenhauer. Good is not positive because it is temporary. Much like Heraclitus, he sees the flux of existence and sees thi...

So actually, he is one of the most notable philosophers of music, raising it to some of the highest levels of his metaphysical system/sotieology. That...

Just more red herring. Do you like to cook it on garlic or lemon butter? As I said:

Yes it is in this vein that I mean catharsis. If "Pessimism" is the reality, then catharsis is when everyone sees what you see (reality). So the scale...