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Ok.. I would say that pessimists aren't so much oppressed as suppressed. He is putting pessimism in the spotlight but not fully committing to the conc...

I know you don't exactly agree with this sentiment, but I think Ligotti does pretty much a "slam dunk" answer to optimistic annoyance with pessimists....

Related to this but not the same.. I was just thinking: When someone is put into existence, they are not given any choice about the choices presented ...

Doesn't he actually address that here??

So how does the story apply to the quote to you?

Here is more complete quote from the book:

A good one regarding people's reaction to the "complainers" (pessimists mainly):

Edit: I had the wrong blog. Here is one I meant I think: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yzNhNvGDdLrtDsjyK/the-conspiracy-against-the-human-race-by-th...

Here is a secondary source that does a good analysis of CATHR. In lieu of people not having the book on hand to do a full analysis of quotes out of co...

Not sure where you are responding but you bring up a good Ligotti quote:

The quote or the universe? :lol: . I think he is trying to make a rebuttal for science writers like Richard Dawkins, or anyone of a "scientism" bent t...

So I think he gets more to the point at what he's getting at here: Have you ever felt that there was nothing to do, nowhere to go, nothing to be, no o...

Yep. Again, I don't think he "leans in" to any particular philosophy with too much conviction. He presents certain cases and critiques each one, thoug...

Yes, I accounted for this idea in that we mitigate through behavior and culture. Our bodies naturally shiver, and the natural reaction is to get warme...

Because humans are ill-equipped for cold conditions. You have to layer up which can be tedious.. runny noses whipped by the winds, the stinging cold o...

Quite the opposite. He presents certain aspects from Buddhism but then essentially casts it as yet another religion trying to do X, Y, Z. He is agnost...

So this may tie into the previous quote, loosely. Just as one thinks that one has attachments to motivating factors ("People to know, things to do..et...

So interesting points. However, I think it isn't so much against emotions qua emotions, but emotions that illicit a positive affiliation with this or ...

@"counterpunch", @"180 Proof"@"Albero"@"Joshs"@"Banno"@"khaled"@"Outlander" Next quote

No, I was just not on this website for a while. Nothing to do with your response.

Oh, I can get on board with that (no pun intended).

Oh shit, now you're alienating me :lol:. I don't know man.. What are you saying?

Alienating everyone is also second nature here :lol:. I liken it to porcupines around a fire.. We keep coming back to huddle but prick each other in o...

You are afraid of insulting someone on this forum? Insult is basically second nature here.

Well shit, no one can give a compliment anymore! :wink:. Agreed full-heartedly. You would have to ask Banno. People get a kick out of feeling superior...

Here's one:

Oh, cool then.

Interesting observations and commentary.

I think that is the risk of taking any quote rather than doing a thorough reading.

Interesting observations.

But that is what Ligotti said.. So looks like you are agreeing with Ligotti.

You said this: Which seems to contradict your statement here: But more to the point, a depressive doesn't just listen to Banno and snap out of it. And...

But "learns" here doesn't mean one must learn it.

I think you are taking his quote out of context. I believe him to be taking the lens of someone who is a depressive-type. He is not saying it as a pre...

Ok. Not sure what to say. I think he has some interesting analysis and synthesis of an array of philosophical pessimistic and antinatalist literature ...

Definitely an interesting positive spin on it. He mentions Buddhism and Schopenhauer as well. I'll try to get quotes on those.

Not sure what you're getting at here.

I think that is his point, so not sure where the disagreement. I think he is taking the stance of the depressive here still. So its more descriptive (...

Edit: I deleted previous remark because I read your last paragraph which at least has some content before the posturing... Hate speech and bigotry is ...

No this stuff happens on any debate in these forums. A lot of the time it's the "style" of the poster. They like poisoning the well. https://en.wikipe...

Notice I said this... Indicating I'm just trying to give a type of an example. Do you want me to start pulling what people do on this forum as exempla...

Way to use the fallacy of Appeal to Extremes to try to contradict a simple plea for more agreeable conversations on debate platforms... It's more like...

What makes some poorer families value education and others not? Rich families seem to take it as a matter of course and can pay for all sorts of thing...

If you want to make a distinction between having respect and acting respectfully, I am totally fine with that. The outcome for debating purposes is th...

I find visciousness and vitriol a reason to stop all debate and is exactly the reason why discussions break down and become emotional fiat. I dont go ...

I came late to this, but think you are right on here as to what a constructive debate entails, and the way to approach ethics. In purely ethical matte...

As a pessemist, I bristle at trying to distance from this accurate philosophy. Read more Schopenhauer, less Nietzsche . Whoops, really meant for

Yes that is the main distinction here. But there is no "one" prior to birth that is part of that has interests that have to be ameliorated. The only p...

First off, just as a meta-analysis of this whole debate, I sometimes lose track of my own argument(s) when it goes on this long and takes this many av...

Because the people alive already have an interest. You are now introducing an interest (and ALL harms for a person) in order to resolve problems for p...