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Right, but foisting the engagement with a whole socio-economic-political structure is just a-okay though right? And what else is the choice if not com...

Paternalism then. There is nothing self-justifying of the agenda of life itself. It's just another hypothetical imperative that can keep being questio...

Completely by chance, I found this NYT article which does exactly what I am saying. It is looking at procreation as some aggregate where individuals a...

So my main argument is basically, isn't this socio-economic-cultural structure, the maintenance and perpetuation of it indeed itself a political act? ...

Just curious, do you and Isaac come in pairs now?

Cool. Your passive-aggressive comments aren't appreciated. I just don't get why pick the same fight? I am interested in moving the conversation into d...

Let me put this another way, to respect the fact that we have argued this same thing before, and to honor the fact that a new thread does not wipe awa...

Yes I am well aware of your argument. What do you want me to say to you that would make us both come away feeling this was a productive conversation? ...

Yes, Seinfeld and the like is a sort of catharsis. But the comedy makes more palatable.

Can you explain the difference between the shamans and most people with cameras jammed in neckholes? Is it the difference between those who wipe their...

I actually agree with you here. So you hit upon what I was talking about earlier. Sex is not just an automatic response. It is mediated just like a lo...

We know our positions well here I think, we do not have to rehash it. You will disagree with me as you have in the past about this, but I do believe t...

OT does this refer to Off Topic or Old Testament?

Thank you. Simply because Jesus is such a huge part of Western Civilization, I think it important to understand the origins of all this. Religion need...

If I were to say to you that you should not foist your view on others by not procreating other people who will have to take on the human enterprise wh...

Well, I did warn you that I was coming at this from an anthropological/historical angle. I understand, you are more trying to analyze the sayings of t...

So we live in a society.. this big superstructure.. basically we participate in it as a species to survive, get more comfortable, find entertainment. ...

Jesus is a real historical figure. I think he comes from some branch of Essenic Judaism around the Galilean region. End of Times was important to them...

No you misinterpreted me completely.

What is being made worse by making the political statement that one should not perpetuate the socio-economic-cultural project? Why is this necessary t...

Gnostic ideas, the idea that there is something wrong with this physical world.. I can relate :D. The idea that we are exiled here and we keep being a...

So that book is bringing up the reformist period of Hezekiah. I didn't want to get that detailed, but the archeology book reflects a consensus that th...

Damn, that's the best antinatalist call to action I've seen. I completely agree with you. I actually have an idea for the name of these groups as some...

That is grim and pessimistic. It's ironic that antinatalism not working is pessimistic :D. But what you seem to describe is a sort of forced antinatal...

Not sure about that. There is a lot to unpack there. Because I like doing something doesn't mean that all of "humanity" should be doing it throughout ...

Certainly, when we live this is necessary for our species relying on cultural learning rather than inborn habits. However, we can self-reflect and say...

But we all know that this is not cut-and-dry. Certainly one if one really wanted to, can refrain from sex for the rest of their life. It isn't as enjo...

So my premises are on why we create ANY socio-economic-cultural arrangements (which means this is not dependent on contingent cultural circumstances.....

That is a really good question. At least get this contrarian idea to the norm out there. Yes, but what is the tie in?

I'll answer this first.. specifically on the two parts of the package mentioned in this thread.. Not breeding does not thereby negate being born. What...

I am going to come out of left field here and come at this from an anthropological/historical perspective.. I think the more "Gnostic" movements that ...

Survival with self-reflection brings the endless loop. To know one is surviving and can do otherwise while surviving and accepting this.

That is a great quote. It goes along with Schopenhauer's regarding how if existing was fully positive in character, there would be no such thing as bo...

Interestingly enough, the evils of places like Isengard and Mordor were likened to the industrialization that ruined the countryside. Just the first a...

I get ya. Rather I was thinking of his descriptive imagery of the landscapes.

Yes, good way of brining it back to social media. We just provide the data for optimization and marketing research to sell us more targeted stuff. Yay...

I don't disagree with what you're saying but I didn't say everyone had a horse. I said: But I also understand you also wanted to note other forms of t...

But this characterization of Jewish belief is not quite right here, which is why I interjected. I explained it previously, but let me quote myself aga...

So when I say "Christianity" here, it means from the fully developed religion that as I claimed earlier, developed further from some version of Paul's...

Correct on debating fiction.. but if you're going to explain the fiction, you have to do it right.. Normative Rabbinic Judaism as it was developed fro...

I didn't see this. I was just trying to put this in perspective. I can see the parallels.. Instead of moving a person somewhere much faster, informati...

I beg to differ.. Within a short amount of time from when the Model T came out, I am pretty sure most people had a vehicle. What a crazy change from a...

I don't know, I think the transition from horses to cars was even more dramatic. I can't even imagine someone born in 1860s, who when seeing the popul...

I tend to think our modern culture hyper-individualizes everything. You are here because of a historical trajectory. You have to "work" because you ne...

Yep. Purpose is misapplied to life itself. People live, suffer, and then they die. However, I see these kind of questions as seeing the pointlessness ...

Life is just dealing with one thing after another. It was best never to have been. De facto choices are your only option. For humans, the purpose is t...

Right. I said here: I think Ligotti does believe it but is pessimistic about people's reaction to it. Well, if you think about it, pessimists are sayi...

Again, I think it is not being optimistic about the assuredness of pessimism. Maybe he just wants to give it a fair shake, being that it is often deri...

One can say life itself is a certain set of things on repeat.

Yeah, not a bad summary. I would hesitate to call this "pop" philosophy or self help. It's uses way too many primary and secondary sources to be just ...