Agreed, especially on a philosophy forum, if everyone's arguing in good faith and not just because one gets some weird kick being pissed off or pissin...
True Thank you for at least noting that, haha. I try. Understand this sentiment. True enough. I do get something out of it if the person I'm debating ...
Fair enough. But it's harder when the insults are more like mock indignation or exasperation.. Things like.. "For fuck's sake", "Jesus Christ", "Crike...
So then for example, you would say if someone was debating policy and leadership quality, but your interlocutor, let's call him "Trump" starts talking...
No, I meant it in the way Nagel was saying "What it's like to be a bat". That is to say, I can't know. I can describe what the bat is doing, and try t...
This implies that it would be okay to throw the sand if people can do it.. Shouldn't they both just not throw the sand? I meant the boxing match as so...
Fair enough, so the burden lies in silently taking the insults... is your answer mainly? What does it say about the insulter though? We keep addressin...
If he said, "that bat" would it change for you? I think he means that if we were to experience what another does, it would have a general commonality ...
Right, but how is this "legitimate". If we were to have a fair boxing match and I throw sand in your eye before the match, how is that a legitimate fi...
Defined by Merriam-Webster, Wittgenstein, or something else? Merriam-Webster: words or language having no meaning or conveying no intelligible ideas W...
But people do it as part of their argument style. If one person does it, that seems asymmetrical and unfair because the argument seems to have more we...
Ok, so intrinsic goods.. got it. What I'm trying to get at is that some of these things are ones that your OP seem to deem as useless.. Poetry, playin...
I don't really know either, but this forum isn't it. I would say having a good faith dialectic with someone is what should be happening (thesis-antith...
I'm really tempted to just start doing this, even though that's not usually my style. I'm just going to start everything with "For fuck's sake...are y...
Survival for its own sake is a justification..concept, not will. Oh and do you know how to make a case without interjections and condescension? I mean...
True, I do think that distinction should be made as well. However, when I say "obligatory", I don't mean, liable by state prosecution. It's more follo...
So I think you run into a vicious circle when you pick out "contribution" as having a special meaning. First off, what does "contribution" even mean h...
My problem in the realm of ethics here is that it is forced on autonomous adults. As long as that is not the case, then character-building is perhaps ...
Yes, I see what he did there, but then one can ask, "Is putting another person in a game of character-building to survive/flourish better, good in its...
But you run into a viscious circle justifying why "strength of character" matters other than Aristotle said it. You can maybe throw in the other typic...
I don't really know what this one is. This by itself isn't antinatalism proper: Unless he is saying, the child needs consent prior to birth, ergo, sin...
What I think an important distinction people often miss in these discussions is the map and the terrain. A lot of it may come down to "what" exactly a...
So I don't know how you are using pessimism here, is my point. I have never heard "pessimism" be someone's reason for poverty. I have heard a bad set ...
That's an assertion that is not even close to being necessarily true. Actually, it might be quite the opposite, that someone is pessimistic because th...
That is unfounded and a cliche. You can be poor and pessimistic. You can be digging in a field and think in your mind the whole time "I hate this shit...
Hi David, gene editing to the degree you are proposing has not been done to a real human (except perhaps one in China). What if it's the case that the...
Schopenhauer himself would have probably took umbrage at piecemealing his systemic philosophy but ok. Also literally his ethics and aesthetics come ou...
Yet human life is about living in a society which is a collection of habits and historical contingency, which forces one to deal with these de facto a...
I am probably the main proponent of Schopenhauer around here, so not sure your assessment of associating him with popular versions of AN is on the mar...
I actually agree with you on the ever-presence of the PWE in Western culture. I think this speaks to the topic of my thread on Credibility and Minutia...
Then what was the intention of this quote? Was that again only to a specific poster or antinatalism? That one seemed aimed at AN because it was right ...
Fair enough, it looked like you were talking about AN in general. :up: Well I think this whole "antinatalism is proselytizing" thing is unfair and jus...
You're essentially saying you don't like the philosophy's arguments so you won't engage in it. I know you think antinatalism as a rhetorical question ...
Actually Schopenhauer was not an advocate for suicide. He sympathized with it, but was against it as a "way out". Schopenhauer thought that suicide wa...
I would say it revolves around dignity (which consent and forced actions can fall under) and causing unnecessary suffering. Was putting someone into e...
AN wouldn't necessarily have a theory of suicide, that would have to be part of the person's overall ethical theory. So, in the case of the dignity va...
It was that antinatalists only worry about the greatest good for the greatest number (classic utilitarianism). No, while there is debate about the "Bi...
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