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I don't know if you misread my response above. I said that the only thing that I can imagine as a "test" is thinking about whether the principle reall...

Say what? It's okay to say that it's a relation between the subject and what they're valuing, I suppose, but the valuing part of that equation only oc...

Yeah, me too. His support of it is a combo of the old "it's self-evident" trope and an appeal to authority/supposed popularity (among authority).

The historical "objectivity" of reason that he's referring to was a symptom of psychological projection. That's been remedied to some extent (though c...

Ah, he was saying that reason is a subject? I'm not sure how that would make sense to him/wouldn't just be equivocating the word "subject," but I don'...

Fifteen year-olds usually are.

I really hope you're not much older than fifteen.

So good persuasive tactics from you. I'm sure folks are impressed. You'll have lots of followers soon.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

So you're not going by my rules, and you think that someone telling you their own views needs a citation. Why?

What I told you is that if you're just telling me your view then I wouldn't need a citation for anything.

Why would we need a citation for something someone is saying about their view, how they feel or approach things?

Were you only making claims about yourself? If so, then we don't need a citation other than you.

Again, it's a claim about me. I'm the source. It's not a claim about all or most philosophers or anything like that.

It's a statement of how I approach people making empirical claims. I'm the source. I'm telling you something about myself.

What claim are you referring to?

I explained this to you already. You want anyone to accept something, it's up to you to do the work. You're trying to sell me something. I'm not wanti...

No what isn't?

First off, the claim was about interpretations of the Euthyphro. Aside from that, where is Danahar's citation?

If you're going to make a claim, it's up to you to provide citations. There's no way I'm doing your work for you. I couldn't care less if you do the w...

It might seem self-evident to you, but it doesn't at all seem to be the case to me or to many other people. So simply claiming that it seems self-evid...

The word "reason" makes no sense to me in that sentence by the way.

They're contingent, not necessary.

If your reason or intuition is suggesting this to you, your reason or intuition are mistaken. It's clearly the case that moral values can and do vary ...

That's true, but the situation isn't made any better by making posts longer.

i don't suppose I'm going to be able to get details on that.

I bought it because I didn't know how to read a book, but then I realized that I couldn't read How to Read a Book, either. Finally someone explained t...

What's the other option?

You just said that "obviously" you think that your subjective experience of Mount Everest is identical to Mount Everest.

I agree with that hypothetically, but in practice, contingently, even single long posts on the board are never focused.

So this is just turning into you saying that you're not a realist?

The only thing I can imagine that would work as a "test" here is thinking about whether the principle really matches one's feelings/intuitions. Is tha...

No, it's your subjective experience of sound. Do you think that your subjective experience of Mount Everest is identical to Mount Everest?

Again, that's what we're subjectively responding to. Those pressure waves in a medium. They reach our ears and as long as our ears work--we're not dea...

No, that is sound. Your subjective experience of sound is your subjective experience of those pressure waves by vibrations in a medium. It's important...

Again, sound is just pressure waves caused by vibrations in a medium. Loosely, though, we could say it's "just vibrations," yes. That's what sound is.

If we want to focus on our sensory experiences, someone could say, "Everything is silent to me. I'm deaf."

Inaudible to us? And the feather you mean? Sure, unless we manipulate it to be able to hear it (for example, we could mic it and change the frequency)...

Let's keep it to no more than a 200-word essay, please. ;-) (I think discussions are better when they remain tightly focused.)

"Their land" at what historical point?

Yes, it produces sound. Sound is just pressure waves caused by vibrations in a medium, which any falling item (not in a vacuum) would produce.

A feather in what conditions/what context?

No one would be homeless, hungry, without medical care, without the education they want, unemployed (and at jobs they want), etc. You'd be able to tak...

How do you reason the (moral stance) premises? Or would you say that for some reason, you're simply not allowed to state premises? (For example, if no...

How do you reason to a moral stance?

Not from itself and the things around it, though.

We'd have to define how you're using "arbitrary," but do you think that non-arbitrary stances are possible? If so, how?

You'd be free to make those choices.

Why would you be talking about us?

In my view, yes. I'd have no psychological crimes.