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Another way to look at it is that I think that the idea of a "test" for one's moral stances is incoherent if one is a metaethical subjectivist/noncogn...

What in the world? I'm asking you a question. You said that in your view, the answer to whether semantic gibberish is relevant to validity is (that it...

So the world, aside from minds, has desires in your view?

I didn't say that's what you had in mind. I said that that was the only thing that I would think would work as a "test." I was explicit about that. I ...

What happened to "What does it depend on?"

When I wrote, "There's no correct claim re 'This is a problem.' It's a subjective opinion whether something is a problem." What was the definition of ...

What does it depend on? Haha. Okay. Not surprising, unfortunately.

"Someone valuing their health" is something that only obtains subjectively. Thus, it's not objective that it's a problem. A person has to value partic...

You're always chastising folks for their logic. You understand the differences between: []P ~[]P x[]F x~[]F right?

Sure. No I don't agree. It's valid as it stands. Okay, your turn.

There isn't anything objective about whether drowning is a problem. How would you think that whether it's a problem is somehow found in the extramenta...

Well now we know the person behind the video cameras in everyone's home, I suppose.

So an argument isn't valid if the premise is semantic gibberish?

Anything goes when it comes to opinions not being correct or incorrect. That doesn't imply that I agree with them all. My disagreement, that I feel a ...

I'm not saying anything like "all opinions are equal." I'd say that they're objectively equal, but that's a category error. Nothing objective evaluate...

Another one would be If Bartricks isn't a moron, then if Bartricks says P is self-evident, P is self-evident If Bartricks says P is self-evident, not ...

Okay ¯\_(?)_/¯ I think that you think you're objectively correct just because you think something, even though intellectually you realize this is a pr...

Correct. It's not even an issue. The people who took the drug made a decision to take it. I don't agree with the first part of that, even, but if we w...

No, I'm not valuing it at all. Again, it's fine if something is usual. I'm just not going to speak for anyone else and claim that anything I do is usu...

Okay. That's fine. It just seems very counterintuitive to me when we're talking about something that tons of people don't even have a problem with.

I wouldn't ever claim to be usual, haha. If something about me is usual, that's fine, but it's not something I'd claim.

I'd say that if someone's philosophical position is at odds with how they behave at times, they have problems with their philosophical position. So I ...

Would there be a way to express preferences but convince you that one doesn't think they're correct at the same time?

So that's a statement. And I understand that you're making that statement. What I'm asking is the why. Why is that morally problematic?

I get it. What's not being stated is why it's morally problematic. In other words why is suffering under this definition morally problematic?

If that's the case, yeah, I'd agree that it's a type of contractual fraud. But wouldn't it have been pretty soon apparent in the medical community tha...

Yeah, to want ideological focuses to all be exhaustively intersectional would seem to suggest that they'd "all" address everything, all the same issue...

So, as someone who is normally skeptical, my first thought is to be skeptical of this claim. What sorts of data support it? (That is, the claim that f...

Born in 1962 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihy-rCof1lo

Meanwhile, among others: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcWwtQmAt7E

I overlooked that you responded to me here. First, we weren't talking about starvation, but simple hunger. I've never in my life been in a state of st...

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Okay, so no, I don't think my musical preferences are correct (I take it). I was asking because I sincerely had no idea what your response would be. S...

I don't know what you're saying really. Again, I'm skeptical about a claim about how "virtually all contemporary moral philosophers" interpret somethi...

In practice do I think that my musical preferences are correct?

No, I don't at all. It's not that I don't want to use that word. What I'm saying is that my moral stances don't extend beyond me in some way where the...

Sure, I don't think it's inconsistent, I just don't agree with it. Sure. No disagreement there, either. Again, it's just that you're not a subjectivis...

Right. "More sensible" is "in accordance with reason," and you're not a subjectivist on that. Since you think that moral stances can be reasoned, you'...

I'd have to read more about it, but what did Perdue Pharma do that should make them liable for anything? I could see if they knew there was a risk of ...

You don't think it's just more sensible to you though. You think it's more sensible in general. Which is not a subjectivist view. As you've agreed, yo...

I have little idea what you're saying in most of the initial post you made about this. (That's why I responded with a "Say what?"--a lot of your post ...

The claim was "the Euthyphro is considered by virtually all contemporary moral philosophers to be . . . a damning criticism of subjectivist views" Asi...

What sort of secret is it if A Gnostic Agnostic knows about it?

How would I appreciate the "force" of it when it just seems arbitrary and nonsensical to me?

Then I wouldn't say that it's a relation. Valuing only occurs in the subject's brain. What is valued is not only in the subject's brain (usually; the ...

I'd certainly agree that it's unusual. I wouldn't say that someone can't be unusual, however. Especially because I know and have known a lot of really...

What I was skeptical about wasn't this, but a specific claim about interpreting Euthyphro.

You apparently think that moral stances can be arrived at via reason and that reason somehow transcends people as individuals.

You're not really a subjectivist on this stuff, then. That you have the stance you do isn't the same as saying that your stance is correct and alterna...