Patterner

Neither is an explanation for consciousness. We can describe the structure of a windmill. It's height. The blades extending out at the top, position t...

I don't agree that it suggests those things. If consciousness is not there from the beginning, then physical arrangements are evolving for purely phys...

It isn't an incontrovertible premise. Thinking the things a brain thinks comes from the action of the brain. Brains also do things that don't involve ...

I do not think consciousness arises from neurological processes, regardless of what species were talking about. In humans, we are conscious of - we ex...

I'm in the No camp.

I've never read Whitehead. I just googled, and the AI's summation seems nearly exactly my position. I guess I should get to know him.

Nothing in this reality can have a non-naturalistic explanation. Consciousness cannot be non-natural. Things that would not exist if consciousness did...

Yes, I think they co-arise. Just as mass and charge co-arise. We don't think one came before the other. It's all there from the beginning. I would rep...

:rofl: Excellent!

So then what has more legs, no horse or no horse?

Q: Which has more legs, a horse or no horse? A: No horse, because a horse has four legs, but no horse has five legs.

The is what it means. Information means something that specifies or is about something else. One thing means another thing. Is there any example of in...

An outrage!!! If I wasn't but a figment of your imagination, I'd be horribly insulted!!!

I think this sums it up nicely.

I imagine DNA is the first appearance of information. It seems to me that the codons in DNA mean proteins. A specific string of codons S1 will always ...

If information can exist in the presence or absence of consciousness, then consciousness isn't part of its grounding. What is it grounded in?

If a walking robot with a mechanical eye is approaching a cliff, and turns to avoid it, was it because there was information? Photons hit the robot's ...

You may be right. But definitely worth pursuing, and I hope hypericin has something in mind.

I'm with you. I've been saying information processing is the key. It's the key to life, because it all l began with DNA, and invoices the processing o...

I think information is of extreme importance for consciousness. But I don't have a clear idea on various specifics. What do you mean by "consciousness...

It is. But if you don't mean it the way I do, I wondered how you mean it. Although I'm not really sure what you mean, I guess "the higher (subtle) rea...

Do you think DNA is encoded information, and protein synthesis is an example of information processing? I would ask the same of many other things. Are...

Can you elaboate on what you mean by "the idea that consciousness is everywhere"? It seems kind of crazy that a primary particle can have mass and cha...

Right. I'm just saying that either scenario - two entirely separate things coming together, or one ground manifesting as entirely separate things - pr...

I would think it's equally difficult to explain how one ground could manifest in (at least) two different ways that appear entirely separate.

Otoh, they may be entirely separate. But even if you're right, if a common, external manifold is undiscoverable, it amounts to the same thing. As the ...

I quite agree that, regarding consciousness, there's something undetectable we're missing. There's no need to dispense with physicalism. It's phenomen...

Yes, I understand. I didn't know where Relativist was going with the idea that there may be things with no detectable effect.

I can understand thinking something like dark matter must exist. Not directly detectable in any way we've thought of, but something is having a gravit...

I'm very interested in this. Can you explain? If a component is physical, why would it be undiscoverable?

I think we already have machines with mental abilities. Also, I think the physical events that make up our mental abilities, like the physical events ...

I'm not a mathematician either, so any nuances brought up are dumb luck. Your musical analogy is interesting. nA is saying that I did know the number....

Thanks for all that. I googled and found out we have 60 siam and 60 miah because of the Babylonians, of all things. They used base 60. Still, we don't...

Yeah, I know what you mean. But using letters is just further proof that we're not actually thinking on another base. The only thing I can think of to...

Interesting. Thanks!

Which may not be a legitimate point. I go back and forth on it. but I kind of think that, when you run out of fingers, you have to move up to the next...

You don't understand my point. which is darn likely my fault, since I never tried to express it before. The number had no meaning to me in binary. I c...

Yes, different things have different mental abilities. Many things have no mental abilities. Sorry, I don't know what you're asking. That'd my point. ...

Just rambling thoughts. Probably already posted here. I was just thinking that intelligence is intelligence. It can't be artificial. That sounds like ...

I imagine "I don't know" or "I don't care". It something on the table catches my eye, reaching for it can't be a reflexive action. Maybe sometimes. Pa...

I've never heard it looked into in great depth, but I suspect two instruments could play the same tone, and produce the same overtones, and we would b...

As I think consciousness is fundamental, a property of matter just as things like mass and charge are, and I think information processing is what make...

That's the attitude we need. If anything exists that cannot be found with our physical sciences, but we refuse to use any tools other than our physica...

You're right. Even even in regards to other humans, we can only assume. And if we assume, how far are we willing to go? Nagel discussed this in What i...

I think this is huge. Consciousness does account for the rules of baseball. There can't possibly be another explanation for the Infield Fly Rule, the ...

Also the emergence of information processing. Can you give me an example of an insentient being?

I can't imagine anyone's guess as to the nature of consciousness and how it comes into existence is such that the loss of the perception of color, or ...

I agree. But I'm thinking the "kind of" is key. Lower level properties account for higher level properties. At least they play a big role in the highe...

I have been explicitly saying qualia are colors and smells this whole time. My thought experiment is about you/someone who has known color your whole ...

Tell me you would not object to living with no color. Let's take it away, and hook up an electronic eye that can differentiate wavelengths, and tap yo...