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You can't make non-physical things out of physical things. Clarendon was talking about consciousness. Are you saying intelligence and consciousness ar...

I'm a property dualist. I don't think consciousness is something separate from the body. I think it is a property of everything, every particle, like ...

I am very firmly in that camp. This post has several of the usual quotes about it. Consciousness is not physical. Although it is inextricably bound to...

I think everything is just stuff. I think everything has a non-physical property. An experiential property. Which doesn't mean everything is thinking....

Premise 1 is the one I think is flawed. Natural and physical are not synonyms. Anything in this universe is natural. It can't be otherwise. If there i...

Which part do you question? That there are consistent principles at work in the universe? That our evolution took place within those principles, and w...

I can't help you with Hart. But it's not just our experience of the world that suggests those patterns, it's everything about our physical constructio...

The universe has order, regularities, patterns. If it did not, it would not exist. If protons sometimes stuck to each other when they were pressed clo...

I guess this is as tricky as anything else, eh? :grin: I've never heard of this line of thinking, so I can't say further thought and discussion on it ...

I can't say I fully understand what you mean, but I like the direction you're going. What is "will on will"? Are you saying only agents with will can ...

I don't follow. What else could it be other than thoughts? Certainly, if you write Props A and B in a book, and even if you also write everything abou...

Can you give me an example of the kind of proposition you have in mind?

I really don't know what you mean by entailment. I don't think there's any such thing as a "correct conclusion" where this topic is concerned. It's no...

Thanks for all that! I'll have to look up most of what you're saying to try to figure out what you're saying.

Yes. If I put the thought Kant in person A's head, their next thought is Critique of Pure Reason. If I put Kant in B's head, their next thought is Mon...

It seems to me figuring out what that means/how it works is the most important thing. And we all have different guesses.

Whatever the definition, a thought has to be thought. I wasn't sure if jkop was saying otherwise.

Surely, a thought needs to be thought?

True enough. I just went with the known universe.

No. Because, while you are here, experiencing this coordinate zero, other coordinate zeros are everywhere, in all directions, up to about 13.5 BLY fro...

The are multiple coordinate zeros in regards to cosmology. I don't see all of this as a contradiction. I just see it as us not understanding things as...

Ah. I also misunderstood. Well, for sure, the world is not self-contradictory.

If I have a soul that goes into another body, then it's still me. No? If I do not have a soul, then there is nothing to go into another body. No contr...

Yes. There is no "This is what it's like for me to be Alice" and "This is what it's like for me to be Bob".

"If you continue this simple practice every day, you will obtain some wonderful power. Before you attain it, it is something wonderful, but after you ...

Can you say anything else about this? Any idea how energy is intelligent? (I agree that it is not the same as consciousness.) What is the intelligence...

Indeed. certainly, mind and body are one, and inseparable. But, for those interested in such things, we still need an explanation.

I'm not sure what the idea is here. If consciousness is an aspect of the energy, what other aspects does this energy have? What does it do? Do you mea...

All physical configurations, or at least all particles, instantiate the property. Here's my position... This property is what gives everything the abi...

Hi. Sorry, I'm crazy busy at work, and can't even read all that you wrote, much less respond to it. But I wanted to just say this...If the hard proble...

I claim that the phrase ‘physical world’ is not describing a world that is real in the sense of being real independent of our conscious interaction wi...

I've been arguing this very thing for the few years I've been here.

Ah. Yeah. How is it that codons mean amino acids, and strings of codons mean proteins. Sure, everything about them and the whole process of protein sy...

How do you mean? Any particular aspects of biology?

You said "certainty is never obtained in the hard sciences." I would think that includes everything involved in the internal combustion engine. And it...

Sure. But we don't say, "Well, we can't prove the combustion engine works the way we think it does for the reasons we think it does, so there's no poi...

Of course. The problem is assuming the things we know from our physical sciences are a complete list of the basic principles that govern nature.

Of course it is. That's the entire topic of this conversation. How does consciousness come about?

Ah. Self-reporting. I thought you meant some kind of measuring device.

Is that something that hurts an awful lot? Like "I'm gonna put you in a world of pain!" :grin: Assuming you mean megahertz, yes, I've heard of it. I w...

Any time someone says they measured something, they give the measurement in units. 83 decibels. 25 cm. 100 mps. -30 inHg. That kind of thing. I would ...

Indeed. What's a unit of emotion? What's the highest level of emotion ever measured with these tests?

Agreed. No, it doesn't exclude that possibility.

It seemed that you were trying to use the fact that people have been thinking along certain lines for millennia to support the idea that there is no s...

I've posted this before. In Until the End of Time, Brian Greene writes: He emphasizes the "I don't know" in the audio book. If he doesn't know what ch...

For millennia, various traditions have been trying to accomplish this. But the practitioners still answer to their individual names, and it's said the...

Subjective experience doesn't mean self-awareness. Do you think there is ever going to be a paradigm that does not have self and other? What does it m...

Unless there wasn't a time when consciousness didn't exist. If it is fundamental, a property of things, as, for example, mass and charge are, then it ...

I like to stretch rubber bands until they snap. You can hear them scream! :halo:

Using boundless' words, I do not think consciousnesses arose in time via an evolutionary process. I believe it was always a part of the evolutionary p...