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M'kay. I'll focus on those, though not today. I've been responding with my first thoughts rather than digging in. Sorry if that's distracting.

Fair. Tho this gets a bit into some of my disagreements -- an essentialist has to have an idea of mind? Intentions, actualized understanding, experien...

Because Aristotle believed water to have a teleology which put it above Earth, and air above water, and fire above air. The reason water goes where it...

I disagree, but also I don't think it matters that I disagree because I clearly put them forward thinking them convincing :D When they are not. I don'...

I like the example of a quarter because it takes it out of the realm of abstract science and into the realm of our everyday understanding. I'd use Yah...

Heh, maybe. I don't think I'd be wise enough to be able to tell if indeterminism comes after determinism, or elsewise. What I know is that you have to...

Well, I for one have a question -- namely that it uses probablity and you have to do the experiment to find out which "world" you happen to be in. I p...

Seems a bit outlandish, so I certainly couldn't claim that. But I'd put it in historicist terms -- we can imagine Kripke being transplanted to another...

OK, got it. I thought you were claiming it rather than saying there's a possible interpretation of the equation such that determinism is true.

It says it, but how do we know it's true?

Heh, no. In school I solved the Schrodinger equation in the one and only case that it's analytic as an exercise -- one proton and one electron. So rat...

Huh, that's interesting. I'd be inclined to say "potability" is, in large parts, what people mean by "water", though not always. In a way this is just...

The Schrodinger equation is not deterministic, by my understanding -- unless probability distributions as events are somehow deterministic, but that s...

I understand that it's not deterministic, but that's probably contributing to our misunderstandings.

Well, you can't, you see -- that's what I'm getting at. We can say these things, but there's no way of telling which is what -- why am I in the up and...

It's a point about how there are a posteriori necessary truths -- it doesn't say that water is H2O; it's not relying upon the science for its point. O...

I don't think he hopes to apply it to reality as much as he's making a point about logic. It's a subtle point, but he wasn't talking about reality as ...

To be fair to -- I didn't think he was claiming a conspiracy theory as much as thinking that philosophers make this claim because scientists have made...

I (mostly) agree. the last bit I disagree with. Where you say: I don't think that's true, because philosophers have no need of gaining credibility fro...

If it's a strawman then I must do the reading until I respond for reals. Given my commitments I'm not doing it anytime soon, but I'll stop responding ...

Just brushing over the last 3 pages: Modern science can be integrated into the Aristotelian framework, of course. I'm still sensing the same transcend...

When we don't have that level of description -- namely, before chemistry became popular. In Aristotle "water" does not mean H2O, for example -- it's j...

I don't think so -- and obviously the stochastic process is more complex than flipping a quarter -- but I do think that I'm me and not you simply cuz ...

Cool. I'll be honest in saying I don't think I'll be reading these anytime soon, but she looks interesting to me -- I like the notion that the medieva...

:D Sounds to me like a transcendental error -- if they speak in this way, with nouns and such and believe it's true, then they must believe in essence...

I'm me and not you cuz there was a percentage chance I was you, and a percentage chance I was me -- and I just happened to flip heads.

You may be able to, but I cannot understand why Many Worlds is deterministic for the reason I said -- why am I in the up-world and not the down-world?...

Heh. I suppose we just see probability differently then -- your dice example reminded me of my quarter example, but whereas you want many worlds to ex...

I'm not sure -- but I am certain that analogies between computer programs and reality are basically misleading, at least in our day and age. More dire...

I think it's a bit silly, but in the same way my question about universe 1/2 is silly. Not bad or wrong but a bit outlandish, is all I mean there. I'm...

Mkay. Wouldn't we be able to ask "Why am I in universe 1 rather than universe 2?" ? Is there an answer to that question in the many-worlds interpretat...

:D I'll cap it there for tonight. I can't say either way, but the idea makes me smile cuz it makes sense -- tho I suspect I could find a point of disa...

Given what we're reading -- I can excuse it because Husserl was before Auschwitz, and even suffered due to a certain H. turning him into the Nazi part...

:rofl:

Philosophy is footnotes to Aristotle? :D I get that feeling at times -- tho I disagree with it of course. So later phenomenology decided to be right r...

And jokes.

LMAO at the bit. First time hearing it, and I got a good gut laugh out of it. Naw. No point in doing so when they live out their beliefs, I think. The...

O no. My fam knows. "In-between" in the sense that my folks believe, and I see how my beliefs are tied to that tradition -- it's not like I was born o...

This is where I fall into an in-between -- I reject it because I was brought up to believe in it, and yet I don't reject my folks belief. I don't care...

I started looking but forget where I read it -- Adorno said something about how philosophy is all about seeing the obvious in different ways, so that ...

I, for one, am happy to draw you back into Adorno. :D

https://thebasecamp.substack.com/p/attention-is-first-philosophy Interesting reflection from a fellow traveler.

@"Joshs"

The dialectic of progressively weakening my claim....

M'kay. I agree that there's no particular reason for the physical constants or starting conditions of the universe. I don't know why you'd claim our p...

This is a theme I'm enjoying throughout -- not an assumption so much, but a Background belief that need not be demonstrated at all. I'm enjoying it be...

Excellent summary. My thoughts are still so scatterbrained I appreciate these synopses. If we take Marx as an Orthodox sage -- It seems that even in c...

Suppose the many-worlds interpretation -- is "It was down because you're in the down-electron universe, whereas another version of you is in the up-el...

I guess it'd depend upon what you want out of your sufficiency. I'm inclined to say that if the probability distribution of an event is consistent bet...

Going back over LND5 I'm thinking I'm sympathetic to Adorno's take on theory/practice -- I certainly agree that "practice" can become a kind of fetish...