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So this gets into something that I'm thinking about -- the semantic layer of art. If the soft watches are a symbol, then there's something to interpre...

I'm interested. Can you say more?

O no worries. I'm glad to have you thinking along given your familiarity with Danto and how it seems intuitive to me.

Sure! My purpose here is to introduce philosophical thinking about aesthetics, given the amount of push-back I got in suggesting that aesthetics and p...

I'd settle for question 1 and 2. Even within one culture (perhaps artworld?) it's hard to specify the stories and circumstances of art. I'd like to th...

I think I agree, though I'm inclined towards the idiom of formalism for judgment rather than looking at how we use language in those circumstances. No...

I think I lean towards 2, though accepting there's something to 1 in differentiating, say, between drawing and painting.

Not that referent, but this one!

Ya'know, since it's a pixelated image....

Eh. Even if anarchy is the goal -- learning political participation at the representative level can pave the way to being able to judge the difference...

I think your notion of "picture" needs clarifying here -- you've stated that a picture need not be representational, and others have mostly taken you ...

Yeah, that's true. And even before that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Stieglitz is widely credited with demonstrating that photography is just ...

I'm really enjoying reading everyone's answers. I want to put forward one other possibility as I'm thinking it over because I haven't seen it said yet...

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/voting-age-by-country https://www.boerneraadet.dk/english/ Also found out that there's a bi-annual ...

I'd say "just for us", rather than just for me. It's not like I invented logic, philosophy, language, etc. I'm connected to others and through that co...

I don't, either. And it'd be interesting to try and combine the notions.

Why? Personally I know that what I say is in the face of an absurd world -- so it will only matter locally. However, that's what matters. Our respondi...

No. The bourgeoisie are the owners of the means of production -- the workplace. The boss you deal with is "middle class" in the sense that they're in ...

"Reference frame" came from math prior to Einstein. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation

On the left hand side I have three examples of representing belief, and on the right hand side I have each corresponding constituting actions of belie...

Hrm. So we are not all really bad people deep down?

By the argument that I provided that that person is self aware as being a bad person means they're not bad deep down -- they may never become good, bu...

I'm wondering -- were I to have the ring of gyges I very much doubt I'd post on a philosophy website about that possibility, unless we aren't all real...

OK, fair. So, bets, promises, posts on one hand and paying up, following through, and reading on the other.

I'll bet the same against you, on the odds that it doesn't -- given I have nothing and I could win on the bluff I might as well. That's what I meant t...

Got it: https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/4280/pg4280-images.html#chap105 A few paragraphs into that section. To be fair I didn't know the passage ...

Cuz we like how they look and select which of them get to count which way. When we look at the entire tree of life then it gets a bit uglier.

:pray:

Having lived with goats, I can confirm. If they could digest metal that fence would have disappeared. Stubborn bastards.

Yes, much to do here, I agree. Somehow we expect others to agree, and are surprised by the choices others make. Is there a way of talking about that i...

I'd say the historical approach makes sense of the difference here -- you can make the same "product" (I wanted to use scare quotes for "the same", bu...

I Can't figure it out. (Tho I did the google, and wouldn't mind a A/B reference)

Thanks. I felt we were diverging far, and so I appreciate the tie-in back. (though I ought say I'm responsible for that divergence, too) Also, your ge...

In the most literal sense I suppose we'd have to ask ourselves here in the conversation what we're willing to bet on anything we say. (I bet 1 million...

:lol: OK, fair enough. I'll admit I didn't expect that answer.

I suppose I'm a still skeptical of the framework, but I have little else to say as to why. I'm fine with going along with the framework. Is it possibl...

On the other hand I'll acknowledge that you gave a theory of aesthetics that's general in the same way I'm attempting to. It's very clear so I'm fine ...

In that case I have problems thinking about it as a model of rationality for reasons so far said. It's just a game. A good inference involves conversa...

I think a little bit it does. Even ostensively. From the way I'm thinking about it right now I'd say it's me trying to judge whether someone else will...

Ok. Then I'm not understanding it well enough. Your explanation of induction is clear. I'm hesitant about the literal betting expression -- is it a me...

I'm likely in error -- but when I think of Bayesian epistemology I think that it's the attempted "cure" to induction. So rather than a truth it's part...

Here I'd go to the facts of betting behavior. There are those who show up for fun and behave in the manner Ramsey says. But betting behavior isn't abo...

Don't give me that do goody-good bullshit. https://youtu.be/2aW7HweAf3o?si=weEtC9X1Jb2g5_Zz

https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/jurgen-habermas-qa/ Interesting interview with Habermas. If it's in The Nation it's not philosophy ;) I'm in...

It's a hit.

Alright, thanks. That helps me understand the paragraph better.

@"J" -- afterthought on electronic music. One thing that comes to mind is that electronic music has its own technique. It could include trying to emul...

Fair. No one's going about teaching wasp stings, nor is that really connected to a knowledge. But look at the artist example instead of that one -- it...

Why not? It'd be cruel to do intentionally but a teacher can teach knowledge of a wasp sting by having a wasp sting the student. More acceptably we mi...

:up: No worries. I found some time and motivation so started back in, but whenever whatever.