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I'm tempted to say a "double" way -- at least if negation is allowed. Still, if people agree that art is an end unto itself that's progress. Something...

@"RussellA", tho replying to @"Jamal" as a fellow in conversation whose saying things I agree with. Well, you have two detractors of a sort. I've appr...

Yeah, I think that follows -- it need not be explicit or clear, which I imagine is usual, but I can't think of any other way we can distinguish a pain...

Sorry, but I think that's a stretch in relation to the other explanation that our upbringing, which includes the language we speak, will influence our...

I like formalisms not for the traditional reason (somehow describing a universal experience due to our cognitive structures), but because they are way...

Ehhhh... yes, but no. But more importantly I'd say I'm persuaded to treat linguistic expression of the form "A is B" as a possible candidate for categ...

In relation to my ability now I'd say your flattery is warranted. I'm still looking to your reading for guidance through this. Well, you know I like a...

:( I, for one, would rather it worked and didn't result in homelessness.

At the moment, sure. I think what'd be interesting through this reading group is to understand "Negative Dialectics" well enough that we could carry o...

Sure. But the "magic wand" I'm pointing to is abolishing the 2nd amendment, which would take care of those other things if it were done in accord with...

M'kay. So the reason conceptual art is not-art is because it lacks the essential characteristics of moving the subject?

They may be two facets of the exact same phenomenon -- granting that what I want to focus upon is the non-purposive, the "useless", the "reason why so...

Australia's success in buying back firearms is a large part of what convinced me that it's possible to do within a liberal democracy. I could be wrong...

I'd only note that "making the implicit explicit" doesn't need "use" to describe a value. It's not for-this or for-that, but rather for-itself. Simila...

That's the very thing that I'm speaking against in saying art is useless at its best -- it has value, though the schoolmarm or friend doesn't understa...

I've switched my stance over time on gun control, basically because it works to prevent mass shootings from happening as often. Originally, I was skep...

You understand me aright. I generally see the fetish of "use" as a sort of philosophical shrug -- oh, it's useful, so that'll do as far as reason is c...

So, to put it in a phrase -- that which is art is that which moves the subject.

Not a useless, meaningless behavior -- but a useless meaningful behavior, or whatever else might substitute for "behavior" Heh, I'm afraid I sit on th...

I agree with @"Jamal", tho I didn't reply cuz it's a big question to address -- it's interesting and good, but not easy to answer on many levels: most...

I just found this out. It makes his most recent appearance very poignant: he did not go gently into that night, but rocked on in his metal chair among...

I'd rather say that it's dour to insist that what serves needs must be "useful" I'm doubtful of the aesthetics of use as a justification for why to in...

I'm pretty much in favor of an institutional theory of art -- though my notion of "institution" is wider than "museum". By my thinking on that theory ...

On smoking/not-smoking, in particular... I can say that "weakness of the will" -- though perhaps the philosopher is satisfied with such an explanation...

:up: Sounds right to me. So -- rather than there being no ranking, there's a difference in how things are ranked. Nietzsche orders appetites therefore...

It is absurd. That's why I bring it up: the institutional theory of art solves many questions we might have about art, and while doing so reveals thin...

You still standing by that one? Asking here because I suspect that this is an intuitive belief held by many -- in some sense art must engage the emoti...

I disagree with that assertion -- but I don't want to get into it here because I refuse to do yet another realism/anti-realism diversion. Not metaphys...

How do you get to that point? Assertion, or do you have an argument? I'm not sure I like it(EDIT: conceptual art as a whole) -- I'm arguing on the cat...

That "ordering of the appetites" -- I wonder if that's absent from Nietzsche? I don't think so, given his general appreciation for master morality. Bu...

I disagree with premise 1 -- I think people spend money on all manner of useless things. Tarot readings? Cigarettes? Kellogs Frosted flakes? The indus...

I agree with all of this. Where I say I don't connect I rather put the fault on my viewing of the artobject, though sometimes I have to say "Well... I...

OK that helped, thanks. Looking at Lecture 2 I like the "checks" which he provides for whether something gets to count as art or not, in the categoric...

"The painting on the wall, named, can be described in the following ways... (10 pages later)" is True IFF The painting.... That's been one of the ques...

What would they call it?

Yes, definitely. Another way to put -- or at least a different way to get to a similar idea -- the notion of aesthetic attitudes are ways of seeing-as...

I agree with that, but then the question turns to -- what are the rules of this game? For whom and when? What does this tell us about what we think ar...

The first statement I agree with, but not the justification. If they make bad art they're still an artist, categorically -- it's just bad art, and the...

I read the wikipedia page on Duchamp's Fountain. The final quote helps me to understand what he means by "conceptual" art because he contrasts it with...

I went to the BBC's website and it seems that the lectures weren't being hosted anymore. I'm hesitant to justify art by its purposes. If anything I th...

Also, a general caution for family resemblance -- I like that concept a lot for tamping down the desire for universal and necessary conditions as a fo...

This is one of those perhaps odd consequences of accepting the institutional theory of art -- Van Gogh's paintings that were not known but found later...

Good point. Heh, even though I put forward difference between the categorical/evaluative use of "work of art" I fall prey. What's interesting in your ...

I'd consider the font art, yes. I was thinking of someone printing out "Times New Roman" in Times New Roman on 8.5"x11" paper, putting it up in art mu...

Sound similar to Logan's Run. Mostly cuz of the 30-year-old cutoff for their society, and that it's also a bad and wonderful scifi flick. (1976)

So, given this tripartite distinction, what makes a painting a painting? It's a good set of distinctions, IMO -- but I want to see them in operation.

Yes, I agree. This goes to something @"unenlightened" said some years ago, and it stuck with me (though of course, being philosophicalish, I resist it...

Same I've had the privilege of seeing his paintings in MOMA and the Chicago Art Institute. Derrida is an interesting philosopher to bring into the mix...

I do. I might put doubt on a printed paper using Times New Roman saying "This is Art", but painting letters is part of art at this point.

Your reflection is wonderful, as always. No further comments.