Amazing. One of my weird covid-19 obsessions was completing my collection. I now own all 24 in the large single-story version (not all the same edition though, I'm not that anal).
Looks like I'm eating vegetarian for the next week. Chickpea salad sandwiches for lunch and mushroom pasta for dinner. The only problem is whether it'll be filling...
Reply to Noble Dust Beyond the acting and cinematography which were phenomenal, I enjoyed the artistic liberty the film took with the poem's loose narrative, the modernization of chivalry for contemporary audiences and the ambiguous morality tale that leaves the end open for interpretation. Will probably see it again some time this week.
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 09, 2021 at 20:28#5779770 likes
Like one gets when soldering the first time and getting a bit of the molten metal flung onto your skin, crater.
:grimace:
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 09, 2021 at 20:48#5779860 likes
@Hanover
I see @Sheps every year or so on FB so I know he is doing well. I also see @Incision once a year around Halloween. @hyena in petticoat I get to converse with daily as well as @Landlady on FB. Both ladies are doing well in business and family.
In fact @hyena in petticoat could easily be a clothes model and her offspring are very talented in arts but they are growing up fast. @xzJoel I haven't seen in probably 3 years?
And @MarinerI haven't seen in a while either.
And while I am at it...
I thought you were going to make grits for this potluck :joke:
god must be atheistAugust 10, 2021 at 02:15#5780990 likes
Was your DMT plant derived and for your purposes, an entheogen.
noun: entheogen
a chemical substance, typically of plant origin, that is ingested to produce a nonordinary state of consciousness for religious or spiritual purposes.
1970s: from Greek, literally ‘becoming divine within’; coined by an informal committee studying the inebriants of shamans.
I use beer to become divine within -- Stella Artois, preferably. Or a good draft, pilsner or lager. Gin works too. Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker.
I feel like I just aced an interview for the first time in my life in what is now my lucky blue paisley lined Ralph Lauren blazer. If you have a consistent habit of bombing interviews, get a blazer on consignment. Life lesson learned.
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 10, 2021 at 15:50#5782900 likes
I feel like I just aced an interview for the first time in my life in what is now my lucky blue paisley lined Ralph Lauren blazer. If you have a consistent habit of bombing interviews, get a blazer on consignment. Life lesson learned.
Woo hoo :party:
Well done :up:
"With a suit cut sharp as a razor and a heart made of gold"
B.B. King & God Riding with the King
Congratulations and take stock of that feeling!
Maybe not important, but interesting. I've always liked waxed paper more than plastic wrap, but I just end up with a bunch of crumpled paper and food. Information like this is just the thing the Shoutbox, and the internet as a whole, was developed for.
I tried it this morning and it works quite well. The next step is getting a cerated knife sharp enough to cut through the paper and the sandwich so that the sandwich remains in tact while I eat it.
I tried it this morning and it works quite well. The next step is getting a cerated knife sharp enough to cut through the paper and the sandwich so that the sandwich remains in tact while I eat it.
:chin: That sounds good if you are eating with dirty hands while working. I usually use paper towel if I take sandwich to work. :up:
Well, my goal is to craft a sandwich on par with what you get at a sandwich shop. They're always wrapped and cut in a way that makes them very ergonomic and less messy.
I really think more people than myself would like there to be more polls regarding contested/popular topics. For example, the 'What is information' topic.
A while back I requested a feature (that perhaps couldn't be done with the current software) of something kind of a linear view of major arguments/popular beliefs of a certain question.
So let's say in that thread someone can vote a 'Vote as key argument' vote for a particular post or excerpt from a post. With perhaps two or three it would be instantly available for viewing in 'Linear form' along with other upvoted, RELEVANT arguments/answers again depending on the thread type.
People could choose to either reply standardly or "rebuttal" against key argument that would then either be upvoted (I really hate that word but that's what it is) or perhaps could graduate to the same class and be another key argument. Essentially when we end up with a 30 page discussion that literally just barely isn't off-topic, people could instantly use this 'linear view' to get back on track and enter the discussion whether or not they were involved from the beginning or yes many pages in. Essentially the pre-existing "chosen answer" feature just on steroids. This is not a feature nor is it possible so i suppose I'm just typing to make sure I haven't forgotten how to.
But! If members like a certain popular topic perhaps it could spawn a poll of the "major consensus" options and yeah that'd be something new and exciting.
Not yet. I live nearby, but the hour line is lame; I assumed a Lucali slice shop would mean quick in and out service. If it's just going to turn into another iteration of the hype beast shit then I can't really be bothered. I'll go eventually. Also, I don't love a square slice, but I know he does, so I get it. What about you?
Thank you for sharing such important news and issue. It broke my heart when I read he gained an appointment at Cambridge and he was a gifted pianist. Sometimes I give up on society when this kind of young people die and other toxic people live a lot and even have success.
I think society did not understand this boy at all causing the end of his life. But the worst part here is his parents. I feel so sad about them. They are going to live a torture the rest of their lives. The dad is so humble and brave for creating a foundation to prevent more suicides. What a wonderful man. The father deserves all the respect of this world.
The dad is so humble and brave for creating a foundation to prevent more suicides. What a wonderful man. The father deserves all the respect of this world.
Yes. Sometimes we don't care about all kinds of issues until they hit home.
Or perhaps we care too much but don't want to dwell on the negative aspects of life.
Increasing awareness and knowledge is of prime importance - as we've already discussed.
Just wanted to place this somewhere without needing to start a thread.
It's amazing how people cope with life and everything...
Why we need distractions, I guess.
Don't Quit !! :pray:
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 11, 2021 at 13:48#5785890 likes
I think it's 95% or more, of marriages will fail with the loss of a child. That is without the legacy that the act of suicide leaves in a family, which allows future family members feeling a bit more at ease or understanding to a destructive point, why the departed did what they did.
30+ years ago I was trained for Teen Lifeline which is a warm line for teens to be able to reach out to and connect with another teen to talk to and how if it escalated, we were to bring on the call qualified therapists and they would proceed with the caller.
I cannot tell you how many callers were just lonely and needing to talk, vent or as Mayor says "rant". So much so that I try to carry that "nugget" of wisdom with me always and try to take the time to listen or sometimes just "be" with them.
So much so that I try to carry that "nugget" of wisdom with me always and try to take the time to listen or sometimes just "be" with them.
Thank you so much for the effort you do with your abilities and wisdom to help others in their suffering :up: :100:
I think it is key to have a good dialogue in life not only to prevent suicide situations but to develop better relationships and cooperation. The world right now seems to be so dangerous and conflictive. Probably, this issue emerges due to the lack of listening which are the problems we have to face.
it is key to have a good dialogue in life not only to prevent suicide situations but to develop better relationships and cooperation.
Indeed. The question is how to have 'a good dialogue' and with whom. Who can best assess and help us solve any difficult problems, even if we don't recognise them in ourselves...
The world right now seems to be so dangerous and conflictive
Yes, and sometimes the way we deal with this isn't helpful.
Many times, we are not listened to by governments...far less our own families. Divided opinions about voting, about the politicisation of mask-wearing. People become anxious, depressed and with covid restrictions or social anxiety are unable to go out and mix.
It all takes its toll. It's good to be able to come here and talk. Some people are better at reading, listening and sharing than others. That might be seen as a secondary issue to philosophy discussions but as @ArguingWAristotleTiff rightly says: there's a community here and we all have vulnerabilities.
The Shoutbox is useful in many ways just to...well...shout. It was never really apparent to me the purpose of the thread...I thought it a long trail of nonsense. I guess I'm wrong...again !
The trouble is so many 'nuggets of wisdom' are lost in the longest thread ever. It covers so much we can't easily see.
We don't all want to start threads on important topics but stuff needs to be said.
I guess a 'Shout Out' here is the nearest thing we got...
Taking time out for a few weeks from typing on laptop.
Just saying, incase anyone replies to me - it's a physical thing.
Neck, shoulders blah-de-blah.
Will read with interest, though.
Especially that other 'secondary non-philosophy' thread. Short Stories :hearts:
Reply to Noble Dust Not yet - their pizza is good but not wait-an-hour-on line good. If it was their calzone that might be another story. Will try it out once the hype settles down.
unenlightenedAugust 11, 2021 at 17:44#5786340 likes
A pig, a horse, and a frog walk in a bar. The frog asks the horse why the long face. The horse replies he's feeling froggy and then bites off one of the frog's legs. The horse dies of acute neurotoxic poisoning shortly after and the frog slowly starves to death being unable to catch prey effectively. The pig looks at the bartender and says I guess you reap what you sow.
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 11, 2021 at 20:25#5786990 likes
*sits on a rock by @Shawn and watches the clouds roll in.
Do you like it when it's raining or only after when the water stops falling and the barn yard is muddy?
I like when it's falling and the desert comes alive with critters doing their happy dances. :flower:
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 11, 2021 at 20:27#5787000 likes
Taking time out for a few weeks from typing on laptop.
Just saying, incase anyone replies to me - it's a physical thing.
Neck, shoulders blah-de-blah.
Will read with interest, though.
Especially that other 'secondary non-philosophy' thread. Short Stories :hearts:
Although I understand why, I would like.you to know that we will be here when you get back. :flower:
Do you like it when it's raining or only after when the water stops falling and the barn yard is muddy?
I like when it's falling and the desert comes alive with critters doing their happy dances.
It rains and rains and rains here. Sometimes it comes in sideways with lightening and thunder with branches flying everywhere. I think a storm is coming up. It's getting dark. Reminds me of a movie:
Well, my goal is to craft a sandwich on par with what you get at a sandwich shop. They're always wrapped and cut in a way that makes them very ergonomic and less messy.
Yep, that's why they give you so many hand wipes in those places. and there is always someone nearby with ketchup on their shirt.
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Not really surprised, it’s a kid’s show after all, but in one of the series’s seasons (Wizards) the tale of King Arthur is it’s theme. Arthur actually becomes the Green Knight. The series is based on Del Torro’s comics, and he produced or directed it.
Interesting. Sorry btw, I was at work when I saw your response, hence the curt reply. I'm a big Del Torro fan, so I may check it out. I guess all I meant was the creature design of the Green Knight reminded me of some of the creatures in Pan's Labyrinth, or Hellboy II in particular (which I felt had a larger quantity of interesting creatures).
No worries, I didn’t take offense. The series is comprised of three separate shows; Trollhunters, 3 Below, and Wizards. There’s a couple seasons of each show. Also, a movie was just released to act as it’s conclusion, maybe, called Titans of Arcadia. There all animated too BTW, and geared more towards kids, but I liked it regardless (as did my daughter). :grin:
NEW PET PEEVE: Morning Edition (National Public Radio) has been referencing pregnant women as "pregnant people". Who, pray tell, is getting pregnant besides women. Is there something too embarrassing or oppressive about only one gender getting pregnant (or impregnating) that we need to refer to them in a neuter term?
How often was the year of jubilee? 7 years or 70 years? Can't remember. Every 50? 40?
Every 7th 7 year period, or 49, but it's at the end of the 49th, so I think 50. It should be coming soon I'd think because for the life of me I can't remember the last. I'm 55, so maybe I was too young to remember.
You are just jealous because you can't get pregnant.
Neither can a male GOAT. :razz:
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 14, 2021 at 13:26#5796460 likes
And may I share that co- habitating with an alien feeling inside you is pretty freaking crazy.
I was checking a patient out of the office, chit chatting when I get an upper cut to the lung when my baby inside decided to stretch out.
The look on the patients face was OMG :scream:
"Are you okay?"
Yep! Just being a pregnant woman :rofl:
Got a soccer ball I can swallow? He's bored. :cool:
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 15, 2021 at 14:02#5799790 likes
Reply to Baden Ahem.
I don't know about you but I hope to never get on Hanover's bad side. :sparkle:
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 15, 2021 at 14:10#5799830 likes
@Hanover
So last night as I tried to fall asleep in a girlfriend's bed, listening to the sounds of the highway near by, thinking what made you think Eric Porat?
Was it a technical tickler that showed a 6 year look back? Do people who have impacted your life (positive or negative) come to mind organically?
Have you written a manifesto and avoiding all of humanity (but us) living in a shack back in the sticks of Georgia?
Curiously asking for a friend :yikes:
All of those pigs videos remind me about “txerrikumeak” which means “pig” in Basque. These cartoons are in Basque language if you see it in their region and public TV.
So last night as I tried to fall asleep in a girlfriend's bed, listening to the sounds of the highway near by, thinking what made you think Eric Porat?
We had been reminiscing about former members, and I thought about him, our mischievous forefather. And by "mischievous," I mean "sociopathic."
There have been a handful of people who have stood out in my head as sociopaths, and with each one, a Google search has offered me a fun update of their current antics. They do not disappoint. On second thought, that's all they do.
TPF's predecessor was purchased by Porat and quickly ran it into the ground. His plan, I believe, was to purchase a number of specialty websites and package advertising plans to advertisers. It didn't work. Before the old philosophy site completely fell apart, this site started up, with the members migrating over here.
TPF's predecessor was purchased by Porat and quickly ran it into the ground. His plan, I believe, was to purchase a number of specialty websites and package advertising plans to advertisers. It didn't work. Before the old philosophy site completely fell apart, this site started up, with the members migrating over here.
I remember when things started to fall apart, but I wasn't as involved as I am now. I didn't remember the name.
At press time, Ackrite refused to answer whether or not she had emptied her bowels on the living room floor, arguing that her refusal to divulge such information was protected by the courts.
I don't think there was ever any other way this was going to end.
There most certainly was another way to "end" (whatever that means).by making sure that all civilians were off the ground in friendly air space before the last troop leaves.
Leaving was never going to easy but we can and have done better. We are not supposed to leave anyone on the battlefield.
God's Speed to those who can get out and may Angels surround those who unwillingly remain.
Reply to javi2541997 I love watching those videos! Makes me feel frighteningly insignificant and then awe and then infinitely grateful I'm here to feel both and be in it.
Here's another you might like even more depressing:
1 Brother JamesAugust 17, 2021 at 21:08#5810150 likes
Reply to jorndoe What we see as "space" is the Physical Universe, which is the Physical Plane of Creation. It is quite vast, but it does end... as the Astral Plane of Creation begins, which ends as the Causal Plane of Creation begins, which ends as one enters the Purely Spiritual Dimension, which is Primordial Existence... or what the Bible refers to as a "void". Peace
1 Brother JamesAugust 17, 2021 at 21:10#5810160 likes
There most certainly was another way to "end" (whatever that means).by making sure that all civilians were off the ground in friendly air space before the last troop leaves.
There are 38 million people in Afghanistan. There are tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands who are endangered by the return of the Taliban. How many of them should we bring back to the US?
"In the 20 years since September 11, 2001, the United States has spent more than $2 trillion on the war in Afghanistan. That’s $300 million dollars per day, every day, for two decades. Or $50,000 for each of Afghanistan's 40 million people."
"And the costs are even greater in terms of lives lost. There have been 2,500 U.S. military deaths in Afghanistan, and nearly 4,000 more U.S. civilian contractors killed. That pales beside the estimated 69,000 Afghan military police, 47,000 civilians killed, plus 51,000 dead opposition fighters. The cost so far to care for 20,000 U.S. casualties has been $300 billion, with another half-trillion or so expected to come."
From https://www.forbes.com/sites/hanktucker/2021/08/16/the-war-in-afghanistan-cost-america-300-million-per-day-for-20-years-with-big-bills-yet-to-come/?sh=7b46949a7f8d
Reply to Shawn
I don't think that you have aptly considered the expediency or efficacy of our nonviolent gradualist Anarchist deprogramming and educational initiative or my concerted rejection of psychological warfare. If anyone is to be convinced to participate within our political praxis, we no longer recommend the pacifist mind control that we previously engaged in. It does, however, short of talking everyone in the world into anarcho-pacifism require a limited exploration of experimental psychology and decisive utilization of white propaganda, all of which is to say that the relative cultishness of the movement that I have created and happen to be the sole participant within has been significantly diminished.
Besides, by comparison, my posts in recent history have been considerably less frenetic, more to the point, and of a higher degree of coherence.
If you mean to review my posting history by comparison to the cult phenomenon of low budget science fiction, however, then I guess that I can take that in stride.
1 Brother JamesAugust 18, 2021 at 19:54#5813930 likes
Is the term "Nihilism" applicable to that which a person has not [as yet] awakened to, or should the term "Nihilism" be reserved for that which is actually non-existent? How many "think" something is Nihilistic simply because those people have not as yet awakened to a level of Consciousness that allows those people to ExperTuit [make use of the faculty of Intuition] to awaken to Invisible phenomena from "Within" themselves? Peace
1 Brother JamesAugust 18, 2021 at 20:32#5814080 likes
The most interesting thing about being an intellectual is that so few intellectuals realize just how limited the brain really is. The Whole Human Being, or WHB, is composed of four simultaneously existing, and yet entirely separate [four different dimensions, each with its own range of vibrations], which means that the brain (and one's physical senses) can only perceive one of the four dimensions. Which means that three-quarters of one's Whole are Invisible to the brain. We can almost use the term Invisible and Intellectual as referring to the same thing, which is an inability to perceive various levels of the Whole.
1 Brother JamesAugust 18, 2021 at 20:39#5814110 likes
About 20 years ago, I coined the term "Esochology," which stands for a return to the original meaning of the term Psychology, given to the world by the ancient Greeks some 2,000 + years ago. The prefix "psyche" for example is defined as "Self, Soul, and MIND". All three of these terms point to, or stand for elements of Man that are invisible to the brain of Man. Therefore, to use the phrase "behavioral psychology" is an oxymoron because the phrase mixes behavior with the Esoteric dimensions of Man, which are Invisible to the brain of Man. Peace
1 Brother JamesAugust 18, 2021 at 20:49#5814190 likes
Over the last 40 years, I have worked with a great many people who were suffering from various problems... which they could not cease repeating as unwanted behaviors/bad-habits. And they had tried all kinds of physical ways to try and cease these habits. What did I do that they were unable to do? I worked with the MIND "Within" these people, where a deeply repressed "misperception" [or commonly referred to as a trauma] was repressed ... usually from early childhood. This repressed element [which was most often a misunderstanding of the person's MIND] had to be identified, and then introduced to the person by a form of Gestalt Psychotherapy. The brain is physical; the MIND is not only not physical, it is INVISIBLE to the brain. Peace
1 Brother JamesAugust 18, 2021 at 20:59#5814230 likes
In 1971, I was Initiated into a Spiritual Path known as "Sant Mat" [Hindi for "True Teaching"]. This was a most meaningful event... but the extent to which it was "meaningful" requires one to have known me prior to this event. I was as close as a person could be to fulfilling the phrase... "A wasted life"! And to be Initiated, I had to give up meat, eggs, sex [outside of marriage], smoking, alcohol, and a number of other vile ways of being. MY point being... there is no Soul that is beyond redemption!
1 Brother JamesAugust 18, 2021 at 21:07#5814270 likes
In 1977, I entered a Special Masters in Science program entitled "Counseling and Psychotherapy". And it was during this two-year program [ but not due to the program] that I Awakened to the Esoteric principles of Psychology, and I also awakened to a great many secrets regarding the I-MIND of Man, and how it operates? I also saw first hand... the failure of Psychology that had taken place in the early 1900's, due to B.F. Skinner.
1 Brother JamesAugust 18, 2021 at 21:22#5814310 likes
It is both surprising and sad that so many people in America are unaware of how much fear they unknowingly possess regarding what is hidden "Within" their own I-MIND. The "I" in I-MIND helps remind me of just how Invisible the MIND is to Man. Peace
1 Brother JamesAugust 18, 2021 at 21:28#5814340 likes
Well, this is # 20, and in this little burst or out-burst of emotion, allow me to simply say that it is not possible for anyone to separate the three-quarters of oneself from the Whole of oneself, or how much one would prefer to remain unaware that one is literally "controlled" by the Fate Karma one brought with oneself into this incarnation on this Earth. We are all here doing our best to fulfill the Fate Karma we came into this lifetime to work on, and hopefully Complete! And this is a Reality most in the West deny and ignore. Peace
[quote=Camille Paglia]The silence of the academic establishment about the corruption of Western universities by postmodernism and post-structuralism has been an absolute disgrace. First of all, the older generation of true scholars who still ruled the roost when I arrived at the Yale Graduate School in 1968 were not fighters, to begin with. American professors, unlike their British counterparts, had not been schooled in ferocious and satirical debate. They were courtly and genteel, a High Protestant middlebrow style. Voices were hushed, and propriety ruled at the Yale department of English: I once described it as “walking on eggs at the funeral home.”[/quote]
1 Brother JamesAugust 19, 2021 at 15:47#5816710 likes
Question: How much Consciousness or Enlightenment must a person acquire before he or she awakens to the fact that philosophy is confined to use of the brain and thinking, while denying Intuition, Knowledge, and Truth.
1 Brother JamesAugust 19, 2021 at 16:23#5816880 likes
Intellectualism... or as I prefer to state it: "The malady of Intellectualism", is like a record player that replays a record over and over again, until it removes the sound tract or breaks a needle. My point? The brain will never "experience" any level of existence [or range of energy vibrations] other than the physical dimension. So, seeking Truth by the brain is a life-long endeavor that can only end in death, having never experienced Truth. Peace
Thanks for the link. I read the article. I never really know what to do with Paglia, but it's fun to read.
1 Brother JamesAugust 19, 2021 at 17:39#5817290 likes
In life every Soul must deal with living in a body, the brain of which is incapable of experiencing the Soul "Within" that body. And if we add to this conflict the desire of the I-MIND to remain in "charge" of one's life by using the brain to "think" about life... we have a natural human condition that thinking alone will not resolve. Add to this the Law of Karma, and we have a puzzle that eludes most people. What is the solution? Time spent in trying leads to surrender. Peace
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 19, 2021 at 19:14#5817630 likes
@1 Brother James
Welcome to The Philosophy Forum!
Might we know you by a different nickname?
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 20, 2021 at 20:57#5821460 likes
:pray: For Afghanistan
:broken: American leadership
:sparkle: For non-Americans trying to save Americans and all those who have helped us God's Speed :pray:
A pig eats, shits, and sleeps, and that's all the use it ought to perform with regards to us. Someone make some plant grown bacon to satisfy the pissants.
Hail to Sergey Brin, one of the founders of Google for funding research into plant grown meat substitutes.
I know I am disgusted with how we treat life on the animal scale to satisfy whimsical needs like eating food. Not even to mention that it's a pretty mediocre and slavish life to get your kicks out of eating pork or even eating in general. Was it Hanover that said that were living in the age of mediocre lives?
I mean, sure it fucking tastes good; and food is a part of living; but, spend some time with pigs and see how intelligent and beautiful they are.
Reply to Bitter Crank Fun fact: We get our animal names from the Germanic roots of English, but food names from the Romance roots of the French invaders. We therefore don't slop our porks and eat our pig sandwich, nor do we scratch our beef"s ears and then enjoy a bowl of cow stew.
Reply to Wheatley Google supplies them. Search for "etymology swine" (or etymology [any other word] in Google's search box, and Google will present a graph if appropriate. Some words have come into use only recently, like slang words, and probably won't have etymological info.
There are other sources of etymological information, but for purposes here, what Google supplies is perfectly adequate.
Short story competition discussion continues in the lounge: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/11340/short-story-competition-discussion
Thanks for the link.
I've returned from my break and left a few comments:
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/582343
Starting with:
Amity:Well, it's been quite the ride from start to finish. Thanks to all who made this happen.
For me, it was the quickest ever learning experience re short fiction stories and how to 'judge' them.
Knowledge gleaned from posters ( you know who you are !) and also from websites.
I included their links and quotes along the way - for later reference, I can view my 'Comments History'.
It's so easy to lose any 'good stuff' in the various discussion threads. As it is, I can hardly find the 'Short Stories' - the links to which seems to be nested or they individually spread their wings across the Lounge.
[ Here is the direct link:
https://thephilosophyforum.com/categories/37/short-story-competition
Miniature golf course where each hole is a mouth or ear. Or nose.
It is doubtful that someone would volunteer their ear or mouth for that purpose, that the orifice would be large enough to accommodate a standard sized ball, or that there would even be a demand for such play.
If you don't take these objections seriously, your ideas aren't going to be taken seriously.
It is doubtful that someone would volunteer their ear or mouth for that purpose, that the orifice would be large enough to accommodate a standard sized ball, or that there would even be a demand for such play.
If you don't take these objections seriously, your ideas aren't going to be taken seriously.
I was thinking concrete, and it could be marketed as a way to teach kids about human anatomy. :chin:
If there's flooding, I guess I'll go swimming outdoors.
Less facetiously, there are several routes to the YMCA where I swim. The one I usually take tends to flood after a big rain, so I took a different route today. All in all, the storm has not hit very hard where I live. At least not yet.
Finally! I got banned from virtual all physics forums and two philosophy ones! Somehow I feel its pretty relaxed here. In any case not too seriously. And I like that. I can be pretty serious, but if some guy, wanking on Kant, tells me how to think philosophically...That MF banned me from SE philosophy. Anyhow, I have found my people! :heart:
Less facetiously, there are several routes to the YMCA where I swim.
Is the etiquette rule at the Y still that you have to yell "CANNONBALL!" before you jump in? I haven't been there in a while and wasn't sure if I would still need to to do that.
Is the etiquette rule at the Y still that you have to yell "CANNONBALL!" before you jump in? I haven't been there in a while and wasn't sure if I would still need to to do that.
I know some of you enjoy cocktails, so I though I'd share this one with you. It's called the Smoker's Cough and I enjoy 2 or 3 of them each morning with breakfast. It's that perfect blend of Jägermeister and mayonnaise.
In Oliver Wendall Holmes' Supreme Court opinion in the Case of Schenk vs. United States in 1919, he wrote that yelling fire in a crowded theater is not protected speech. It is less often noted that at the end of his opinion, he added a post-script - "Oh, yeah, I almost forgot. Or Cannonball either!!! I mean for a pool, not a theater. You know what I mean."
That was also the only time in Court history that a justice's opinion has included a triple exclamation mark.
Moondrop grapes are a specialty of a California grower called the Grapery. They're black grapes shaped like little eggplants with dimples on their butts. The package advises that they may be cut longwise and stuffed with salty cheese.
A geneticist was employed to create them, but the package assures that no gene splicing was used.
They taste like black grapes. I think that's basically what they are.
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 24, 2021 at 22:14#5840350 likes
Moondrop grapes are a specialty of a California grower called the Grapery. They're black grapes shaped like little eggplants with dimples on their butts. The package advises that they may be cut longwise and stuffed with salty cheese.
Omg Frank! I LOVE those!
But they are super high in sugar so they are not on my menu.
The salty cheese thing might be good as I had a date sliced open with a bit of blue cheese wrapped in bacon.
OMG :yum:
I know some of you enjoy cocktails, so I though I'd share this one with you. It's called the Smoker's Cough and I enjoy 2 or 3 of them each morning with breakfast. It's that perfect blend of Jägermeister and mayonnaise.
The Clark family culinary specialty is the peanut butter and mayonnaise sandwich. I guess the general theme is that everything is better with mayonnaise. I think it's a southern thing. But if it's a southern thing, wouldn't it be peanut butter and Miracle Whip? My family also used to have a thing for Dr. Pepper, another exotic import from the south.
In order to keep the tradition alive, I required that each of my three children take at least one bite from a PB&M sandwich. They all did, but to the best of my knowledge none of them has ever taken a second bite.
Dining alert: Avoid The @Hanover & @Clark Sleazy Bar and Grill at all costs if you don't want salad dressing in your martini and sardines in your peanut butter sandwich.
The nearby Centers for Disease Control suspects that bat meat may be corrupting the already mighty dicey measly pork served in this establishment. The CDC recommends worming pills if you have eaten there--ever. Maybe Hanover & Clarks Sleazy Bar and Grill is the actual Ground Zero for Covid?
Dining alert: Avoid The Hanover & @Clark Sleazy Bar and Grill at all costs if you don't want salad dressing in your martini and sardines in your peanut butter sandwich.
I won't give your opinion any credence unless you tell me you've tried a PB&M sandwich and found it impalatable. I'm sure it won't be everyone's favorite, but it is a perfectly good sandwich. The flavors of peanut butter and mayonnaise go well together. As for the Smokers Cough, I am perfectly comfortable taking @Hanover's word for it. Although it is a sophisticated and robust spirit enjoyed by discerning aficionados of fine liquors, not to mention frat boys, everywhere, Jagermeister tastes like Pepto Bismol to me.
So, I know you have peanut butter, mayonnaise, and bread in your house. Make yourself a small sandwich, open a Doctor Pepper (or a fine Savignon Blanc) and try it out. Then, I will take your opinion seriously.
Reply to T Clark It's too late for today, the kitchen is closed. Maybe tomorrow. Cheese and peanut butter sandwich is ok< so maybe mayo. Hellman's or Kraft? Jaegermeister is too 'medicinal' a mix of flavors. There seems to be a touch of creosote in it. It is popular among a certain set, but I don't see why.
Did you see any of the Kominsky Method on Netflix? The male lead's favorite cocktail is Dr. Pepper and Scotch. His best friend -- dry martini drinker -- considers it an abomination. Actually, I like Dr. Pepper and Diet Pepsi, though I rarely drink them anymore. But no alcohol in it, please.
Sounds tasty! In fact Im gonna make me one. If no whipped cream has been spoiled on the sardines.Ah what the... Penut butter with whipped cream and sugar babymilk must not be misjudged. Except on a soft cracker.
I grew up in the mid-Atlantic states. The only time we got Dr. Pepper was when my father would travel to the south and bring some back with him. He lived in Nashville for several years when he was a kid. I think that's where he picked up the taste. Now, of course, you can get it anywhere. I still really like it, but the regional charm is gone.
This is what makes the difference with sites like PSE!
Why? Do they use walnuts instead of almonds? I'm allergic to walnuts But does "walnut" actually refer to something? Or is it just a sound we make to elicit some sort of behavior in other people?
"Walnut," she said knowingly.
"Excuse me?" he said with a hint of apology for taking up space.
"It's a bundle of properties." she said, staring out into space.
"Oh" he said assuringly. "Would you like to discuss this further over a cup of coffee?"
"I don't drink coffee." She said as she walked away.
I remember some old guy who used to come down here and take all our Dr. Pepper. That was annoying.
No, no. Your just having a flashback memory of "Smokey and the Bandit." That's the one where Burt Reynolds played my father and Sally Field played my mother. If my memory is correct, your father was played by Jackie Gleason.
No, no. Your just having a flashback memory of "Smokey and the Bandit." That's the one where Burt Reynolds played my father and Sally Field played my mother. If my memory is correct, your father was played by Jackie Gleason.
My father wasn't played by Jackie Gleason. He was Jackie Gleason.
Authentic deli sodas are from Dr. Brown's, not Dr. Pepper, and sure as hell not Mr. Pibb, whatever that non-degreed fucker is trying to peddle.
When I was a kid, the local drugstore made all its sodas from syrup and soda water, including coke and root beer. Add some cherry syrup and you get cherry coke, and my favorite, cherry smash. I can still taste it 60 years later.
So, I'm sure Dr. Pepper was often made with syrup and soda water in the G.O.D.s.
Why? Do they use walnuts instead of almonds? I'm allergic
:lol: Nonono. They use chestnuts only. To slam their hands against after and before they made a succesfull attept to again get me banned because I didnt agree with that on--Kant-masturbating mod. How happy he was to ban me. The last time I was banned I was quick enough to send him a last farewell note, which was probably the reason I was banned network-wide. I still get the shivers thinking about him. But I'll mention him in a book. Photo included!
The last time I was banned I was quick enough to send him a last farewell note, which was probably the reason I was banned network-wide.
I can give you some tips to stay under the radar if you like.
( 1 ) If you're going to write a pet theory you have on something, make sure you put in a lot of effort portraying it and arguing for it.
( 2 ) Do your best with spelling, punctuation and formatting.
( 3 ) Don't commit suicide by mod out of pride.
( 4 ) Do argue why you think someone is wrong to the best of your ability. Telling someone that they are wrong in a one liner is a problem if you do it a lot.
I can give you some tips to stay under the radar if you like.
( 1 ) If you're going to write a pet theory you have on something, make sure you put in a lot of effort portraying it and arguing for it.
( 2 ) Do your best with spelling, punctuation and formatting.
( 3 ) Don't commit suicide by mod out of pride.
( 4 ) Do argue why you think someone is wrong to the best of your ability. Telling someone that they are wrong in a one liner is a problem if you do it a lot.
For me, the main criteria by which a member's value to the forum can be measured is by a body of quality posts and discussions built up over time. Once a credible history has been built up, a certain amount of shenanigans is more forgivable. That's the main reason it bothers me when people are banned without giving them a chance to work out their place here.
Thanks for the tips. I have the feeling though that the radar uses pretty long wavelengths. Those at PSE were incredibly short... But nevertheless, I'll try to stay under it. Maybe I'll even go underground for a while. I kow what you mean by spellling. Sometimes though I cant avoid, no metter how hard I tfy. Im typing on a clever phone. Smaaaall diald. Big thump. :smile:
For me, the main criteria by which a member's value to the forum can be measured is by a body of quality posts and discussions built up over time. Once a credible history has been built up, a certain amount of shenanigans is more forgivable. That's the main reason it bothers me when people are banned without giving them a chance to work out their place here.
I think "good post proportion" is a useful metric for that. Admittedly we don't keep numbers or try and quantify it (at least I don't) so there will be biases. It's pretty easy to see that if someone's made 20 posts or so and they're all one liners shitting on others with poor writing... They won't be treated leniently. But I think that's consisted with valuing the proportion of posts which have adequate structure/etiquette as the major metric.
Would you let someone who made 100 posts of abrasive or totally off topic one liners in a week stay?
I say that like we watch the forum eagle eyed. You can absolutely get away with that. I think we've even banned people who produced super high quality content (giant comparative essay OPs with great writing!) but were mostly FUCK YOU outside of that.
But yes, as a general rule of thumb, build up some good karma and we're going to umm and ahh about punishing outbursts (especially in political topics) unless they're racist/illegal/sexist etc.
Thanks for the tips. I have the feeling though that the radar uses pretty long wavelengths. Those at PSE were incredibly short... But nevertheless, I'll try to stay under it. Maybe I'll even go underground for a while. I kow what you mean by spellling. Sometimes though I cant avoid, no metter how hard I tfy. Im typing on a clever phone. Smaaaall diald. Big thump. :smile:
When I grow up I'm going to have a small dad and a big thump.
But yes, as a general rule of thumb, build up some good karma and we're going to umm and ahh about punishing outbursts (especially in political topics) unless they're racist/illegal/sexist etc.
I have sometimes been critical of moderators' decisions in the past. It was not my intention to be critical in my post this time. I was laying out what I look for when deciding to take a member seriously and consider them a real member of our community.
When I grow up I'm going to have a small dad and a big thump.
:lol:
At PSE resistence is futile. And eventhough I'm not a racist, nor illegal, nor a sexist (though sometimes I like to illegally f. a black beauty...) I was banned from over there. No discussion, no arguments could be made in my favour... The dice were thrown beforehand. The Kantian dice.
I wonder how quickly Nietzsche would have been banned.
Not here, for sure! Thats my impression but the impressions can deceive. On PSE he would be banned AND muted. Permanently.To be sure. Maybe he was banned from a forum in his time, back then. To exclaim: "Gott ist tod!", while emptying his nose in a handkerchief.
Not here, for sure! Thats my impression but the impressions can deceive. On PSE he would be banned AND muted. Permanently.To be sure. Maybe he was banned from a forum in his time, back then. To exclaim: "Gott ist tod!", while emptying his nose in a handkerchief.
Ah yes! Thats a true permanent ban... A permanent ban these days doesnt need hemlock. Virtual digital ban will do. Though if I pass the offices of that PSE owning company I dont stand for myself...
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 26, 2021 at 18:15#5850610 likes
Dear God In Heaven :pray: :pray: :pray:
:broken: :broken: :broken:
My brothers and sisters, Aunts and Uncles, parents and Grandparents, friends who have worn the United States uniform: we are proud of your service and pray for your safety
One if the first instances of the use of zero (maybe more like proto-zero) was the Babylonian number system which was base 60.
They used an abacus for calculating, with two symbols: l and ll. After doing calculations, they would represent the answer in clay. Since the digits take their meaning from the column they're in, they used a placeholder digit: / , to represent an empty column.
Representation.
So, people who say language isn't representational are daft.
Well, Im gonna put to rest my aching weary head now. Get some fuck and sleep before the big itch kicks in. Feels like a heavy massive load ppressing from the inside. Where you can feel the difference. With my eyes I can see the differece. Shaky and moving in mysterious whirly ways. No thinking involved, the only advantage. Tomorrow though there will arrive a big relief. To be taken orally. But tomorrow is faaaar away still. I had good fun here today. Lots of laughs but also polemic atmoslheres. Where is Nietzsche? Is he dead? Nietzsche is dead. Let him be!
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 26, 2021 at 23:37#5852240 likes
I have an analysis of blood this morning and my dead ass is eating breakfast right now. I am an incompetent. How could I understand metaphysics if I do not even remember my analysis date?
Reply to javi2541997
So their calendar was the most accurate in the ancient world?
When the Greeks did astronomy, they translated their numbers to Babylonian, did their calculations, and translated the answer back to Greek. There was no way to do the calculations with the Greek number system.
So the number system is fundamentally rooted in use, calculating specifically, not counting.You don't need zeroes to count.
Ayaaaa...!!! There I go again! You have an uncanny gift for spot-on imagery! I felt like Jerry (or is it Tom?) indeed! I cojldnt sleep a wink last night. My wife and dog were asleep. Only me, my phone (laptop still needs lapup), and music. But I couldnt stay put.... At twelve I got the message that my med. could collected. My wife went for me (I still cant understand she actually wanted to spend her life with me :heart: ). I took them orally and now its fine. That laughing did goooood!
This is the difference with philosophy stack exchange. They take themselves a bit TOO seriously. Love it here!
Not surprising. I think that's a much more factual website. Like you wouldn't give an unsourced answer on math/programming stack exchanges. Same with physics forums.
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 27, 2021 at 21:17#5856130 likes
It's nice for people who wanna stick to the standard philosophies. To be linked to in standard ways. The standards not to be questioned. But it's so dull! And not really enlightening. The answers are maybe the longest in the mean (of all sites and I actually asked why this is so and why so many -isms are involved, which wasn't liked). I dunno. The philosophical worldview is grey and not well articulated. Many intelligent words are used. But they simply miss substance. The verbiage becomes empty. Something like that. I had the feeling they felt trapped by me.
It's nice for people who wanna stick to the standard philosophies. To be linked to in standard ways. The standards not to be questioned. But it's so dull! And not really enlightening. The answers are maybe the longest in the mean (of all sites and I actually asked why this is so and why so many -isms are involved, which wasn't liked). I dunno. The philosophical worldview is grey and not well articulated. Many intelligent words are used. But they simply miss substance. The verbiage becomes empty. Something like that. I had the feeling they felt trapped by me.
The circumlocution of the erudite is the onanism of the grandiloquent. :vomit: :chin:
Modding wise - it can be frustrating to try to keep a topic intended to be an academic discussion on topic when someone doesn't want it to be that. In their position, assuming it's about academic content mostly, I'd've made the same call.
The circumlocution of the erudite is the onanism of the grandiloquent
Exactly! Sounds heavy. But with substance, actually. Not hiding nothingness. On top of that their circumlocution was used to onanate on, resulting in an emptying of their predominantly scroti to get relief from grandiloquent postures, after which grey ejaculations from their fake pseudo scientifically erected erections left nothing more than soft black emptiness!
Modding wise - it can be frustrating to try to keep a topic intended to be an academic discussion on topic when someone doesn't want it to be that. In their position, assuming it's about academic content mostly, I'd've made the same call.
The point is that I was the one trying to keep it academic. Maybe it wasnt in the standard way. For example, on the physics site I asked the question what would happen if a ball of zero Kelvin helium would appear on the bottom of the sea. I asked it three times with increasing level of specification. But the mod was determined. I asked an arbitrary question and that was it. He said I just wanted to fight the system of closure. But I was not doing that. I just wanted to know. Would a crust of ice form? To prevent expansion? The verdict was made. Bad contribution. A similar question was asked some time before: What would happen if a zero Kelvin cube of iron appeared in a room? A well received question that even became hot. I mentioned this to the mod but he didnt adress this comment. Instead he searched for a case against me. Once I asked the question on meta physics why question wasnt marked as hot. He took exactly those words, suggesting I just wanted to be hot. Well, maybe I was but I just wanted to know how the mechanism worked. Anyhow, I was banned for a year because of him. Not because of my contribution.
With the tediously long COVID-19 threads, would anyone be opposed to a poll? Something like the following...
Poll: (2020-) COVID-19 pandemic
Feel free to give your reasons (and demographics), but please move to the general discussion over here for anything else: Interesting Stuff » Politics and Current Affairs » Coronavirus
I have been vaccinated or plan to
Yes / No / Don't know
Vaccine passports
For / Against / Don't know
Mandatory vaccination (or frequent testing) in some settings (e.g. packed offices, schools, hospitals)
For / Against / Don't know
Feel free to give your reasons (and demographics), but please move to the general discussion over here for anything else: Interesting Stuff » Politics and Current Affairs » Coronavirus
Seems to me there are a lot of different issues to be discussed under the subject of "Coronavirus." Political, ethical, scientific, psychological. Given the importance of it right now, it makes sense that there would be a number of threads.
I'm not particularly interested in the subject, so I just don't read them.
Just vaxx or dont. Without further ado. Jesus, I followed that Corona thread with amazement. Looks like a Corona war is immanent. No vaxxin against that.
Reply to Prishon, at some point I was interested in whether people learn from history, it's not like covid-19 is the first pandemic.
Some commentaries out there (like authoritarian fascist tyranny) haven't, though you might find examples of sneaking other laws in that go unnoticed because of pandemic focus.
Just vaxx or dont. Without further ado. Jesus, I followed that Corona thread with amazement. Looks like a Corona war is immanent. No vaxxin against that.
Don't you ever get self-righteous as hell over stuff you can't really do anything about?
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 29, 2021 at 18:41#5864450 likes
@frank I am struggling with things that I can do nothing about.
That would make it someone else's problem right?
Scio te esse, sed quid sum. - I know you are, but what am I? Semper ubum sub ubum - Always wear underwear Veni, vidi, vici - Turn left, then turn right, then go straight ahead Latino numquam utar. Facit ut culus. - Never use Latin. It makes you sound like an asshole. Cogito ergo sum - Boy, I really drank too much last night. Carpe diem - Day old fish. @Annobay isay anay opeday - Is this the way to Coonabarabran?
unenlightenedAugust 29, 2021 at 20:07#5864760 likes
There are no such things! You can always tell us about them. That's doing something! It might work; it might change the world, or change us or change you.
If struggling isn't working, try letting go. That works for some problems. Your beloved is a problem? No please, don't make love a problem. If what you fear should happen, it will fill your life with pain and loss, and that is the price of love. Say yes to the whole - the love, the fear, the pain, the loss - they are all one thing.
it's "what the fuck" or wtf. There's no mother in there.
Isn't there also, 'What the motherfuck'n Christ is that!?' Australians have started to use the term here in recent years probably thanks to the endless supply of US movies and long-form TV
Don't you ever get self-righteous as hell over stuff you can't really do anything about?
This Corano, eeeh, Carono, eeeh, Conora, ...fuck!..., Canoro.......grrrrrr?!...Corona, right!, this Corona stuff is making me mad indeed! And self-righteous!
[i]A flare shot leaves a scar
Burning in the dark
On my forearms
Through the barbed wire
Then another fifty yards
Crouching in the trench
Clutching bayonets
A hundred men
All knee-to-chest
A hundred marionettes
I am the string pulled by the sure hand
Animating what was still
I am invisible and faithful
I am a courier[/i]
In silent shelter
Rigidity crumbles
Nuclei materialize
Feathersoft velvet moss
Stonehard stone
Hope aimed
On tight unity
Before the storm
Is reaggitated
There are no such things! You can always tell us about them. That's doing something! It might work; it might change the world, or change us or change you.
NicK and one indian are at a breaking point and I fear that I will be forced to choose. Please don't make me choose.... :broken:
Isn't there also, 'What the motherfuck'n Christ is that!?'
Was Christ his own father?
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 30, 2021 at 20:37#5870190 likes
May those who are in the way of danger be sheppered safely through the storm out to the sun.
:pray: :pray: :pray:
unenlightenedAugust 30, 2021 at 20:59#5870270 likes
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff Ah. Now that is a trial. And I cannot advise, because at some point you may have to choose in the practice of life, because one cannot be in two places at once. But in the heart, no, there is no choice. You can tell them that from me!
May those who are in the way of danger be sheppered safely through the storm out to the sun.
I assume you refer to the situation in Afghanistan. Who sold Osama bin Laden rockets? To be fired at commies? Indeed America. The seeds were laid. Mujahedin---Talibanned---AlQuaeda/IS...
Now the US has gone. After the longest war ever raged. 20 000 died in the fight agaist a terrorism for which they themselves laid the base.
Were we in Afghanistan to crush al Qaeda? That was accomplished early on. Were we there to crush the Taliban? They were strongly compressed, not so much crushed. Kill bin Laden? That was done eventually, though not in Afghanistan. Build a purebred democratic state out of a batch of medieval tribes? Apparently that was a goal. Stupid.
Crushing al Qaeda seems like a worthwhile goal, even if not altogether doable. Ditto for the Taliban, only they were more deeply woven into Afghan affairs, thanks to our good ally, Pakistan.
Building a democracy in Afghanistan was a fool's errand. The dirt of EDIT: medieval tribalism the Taliban comes out of is simply not soil in which democracy can grow. Afghanistan, as far as I know, was never a "modern state" which had been pulled backward by the Taliban. Well, it was much less medieval maybe in urban centers, apparently, but much of the place is rural.
Maybe we could have modernized Afghanistan had we made them an outright colony, occupied every last corner, and stayed there for a couple hundred years. Even then, they would not have become a central Asian California.
Iraq presented a different, but similar problem: Iraq was a much more developed country, but was a political mess. We barreled in and made matters worse in several ways. At the time of the Iraq invasion, it was my view that we had insufficient competence to put that Humpty Dumpty back together, once we had smashed it. It may be that nobody intended to put H. D. back together, but if so, that approach didn't work either. The Insane Islamic State appeared. Very bad.
Where we have succeeded in making major changes to uppity nations was where we thoroughly conquered states that were essentially modern. The Axis powers of WWII were not medieval fundamentalists; they were modern industrial states with proven capacity to get things done. Germany and Japan had to be, ah... redirected, but they didn't have to be reprogrammed.
In the fullness of time, (given a millennia) places like Afghanistan might modernize themselves. Or maybe not. Islamic Fundamentalism and tribalism are an enduring pestilence, just as Christian Fundamentalism and predatory capitalism are enduring. Short of a constructive occupation by highly enlightened and very skilled aliens from some other star system, I don't see things changing a lot.
Of course, global warming may well "settle our hash" as the saying goes, as we all sink into a hot swamp.
In the fullness of time, (given a millennia) places like Afghanistan might modernize themselves
I dunno. What if in the fullness of time places like Afghanistan "modernize" according to the "mode" of an Islamic "mongrel" state? If the "mongrels" outthere wish for this...
You know what the problem is with al Quada people? The take themselves too seriously. Like all fundamentalists. I dont say they should be wiped out (they are still people, though you might feel angry after they have terrorized; to compare them with animals or retarded people would do injustice to animals and people). Though I personally would have tried to kill one of them if...
Prishon says: Can remeber Amsterdam! Good friend Theo van Gogh made dead by bad man with long black girly clothes. Bad man no nice! Why bad man did? Theo said no nice things about what belief bad man! Say god no there. Bad man no like this. But why make dead friend Theo? Bad man make all people in country cry! Prishon must cry now again! :cry:
We all know the most famous syllogism introduced by Aristotle:
All men (people) are mortal. Socrates is a man. Therefore Socrates is mortal.
But what if we say:
All mortals are men (people). Alice is mortal. Therefore she's a man.
Assume it to be true that all mortals are men (of course it isn't true in the real world but suppose there is such a world). She clearly belongs to mankind. But she is no man. Two different meanings of the word "man" are used. One encompassing both men and women and one only men. Is there a name for such a syllogism? An inconsistent syllogism maybe?
Ennui ElucidatorAugust 31, 2021 at 04:12#5871720 likes
[quote=“Wiki on Equivocation”] In logic, equivocation ('calling two different things by the same name') is an informal fallacy resulting from the use of a particular word/expression in multiple senses within an argument.[/quote]
Donkeys have bigger brains. Maybe orange sized brains.
Prishon says even bees have small brain and bees nicely fly and buzz. Maybe laugh too. Prishon donot wanna stung by bee. Bee no nice for Rishon...RIIIIIIISHOOOOOOOONNNN! THE VERY LAST TIME...SHUUUUT... THE F........ UUUUUP!
:rofl:
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 31, 2021 at 14:42#5874290 likes
Going on a road trip....
Who wants to come and what are you going to bring?
I'm going and I am bringing my rolling pin and my best stoic foot forward.
Reply to T Clark You are likely correct that Afghans are a less-ethnically-mixed people than Europeans. Little known influence: The Church laid the groundwork for undermining European tribalism. In the Medieval Period, they were very worried about incest. Not, mind you, obviously incestuous relationships between brother/sister, or uncle/niece, or even cousins, but "incestuous marriages" between 4th 5th, or 6th cousins, and even more distant connections. This concern forced people to seek husbands and wives outside of their tribal kinship.
This concern went a long ways toward shaping later concepts of marriage and family, emphasizing more the nuclear aspects, and less tribal aspects. This was way before feminists began sneering at the suburban nuclear family.
I have changed "mongrel" to "medieval", which is a much less satisfying pejorative to apply to tribalisms.
Europeans, of course, did a lot of mixing over millennia, before they took over the Western Hemisphere and mixed it up even more. Humans are mixers.
I have changed "mongrel" to "medieval", which is a much less satisfying pejorative to apply to tribalisms.
Prishon say: Medival Afghaan time good time! No bigy boom bombs. No rocky go to moon and pluto. No boss of world. Every poeples were nosomany. Every peoples free. Prishon likey likey oldi days.
Were we in Afghanistan to crush al Qaeda? That was accomplished early on
Only IS came in its place. The Americans have fucked up again. Just fucked around in the world. If those rockets were not given to Osama bin Laden's clan he would not have become al Quaeda. Shot some Russian helicopters with it. Them atheists. Then the situation went Taliban. From Mudjahedin. Then a US ship was beterrorized (17 killed?). Then the WTC. Then at last Bush made use of the situation. While he sat in a children class hearing the story about the big bad wolve, his hawks guided planes into towers. "Everyone knows where he was that day" What the f.? Is it that important a happening that took place? To speak of before and after 9/11? Bush and consortes did well in Irak. Destroy! To build up by American companies. Money!!! Irak was left in a medieval state. Maybe they build a better society for themselves. Let's hope. Like in Afganistan. 20 years? To crush alQuada. To get 20 000 killed. 86 billion dollar? Maaaan...
And yes. Two mod messages. Low quality contributions. The mod that sent me a message cited the bible. He couldn't counter my thoughts. Only by threatening to ban me.
The noble dust
The magic inside
Unwordly
No words attached
Inside you feel
Outside you see
To be prolonged
Vision stretched
To the brink of brake
To the hilt
Purloined by
Rishonian substrate
Higgsian deceive
I kiss my sweet
Make her feel
Our dog just wiggles
Her tail
Reply to Prishon You banned for low quality? Seems like you write perfectly satisfactory posts. You've posted a lot, though, in the 9 days you've been a member. Nothing wrong with that, but quantity usually cuts into quality.
Only IS came in its place. The Americans have fucked up again.
I see this idea cropping up a lot. As if Iraqis, Iranians, Afghanis, Syrians, et al had nothing up their sleeves until we came along. I don't believe it. It's like blaming Britain for the nazis' rise in Germany.
That doesn't mean I think we should have spent $$$$$, 20 years, and blood there.
While he sat in a children class hearing the story about the big bad wolve, his hawks guided planes into towers. "Everyone knows where he was that day" What the f.? Is it that important a happening that took place?
WTF? indeed. OK, so he heard about the Twin Towers attack while he was visiting an elementary school classroom. Not a place where adults can safely emote all over the place.
Of course it is that important! I was at work at the University of Minnesota that day, and I was shocked that the University didn't shut down by noon (CST). I wasn't worried about safety; I just thought that "business as usual is over for this week, at least."
As an act of terrorism, or aggression, or war -- whatever you want to call it -- 9/11 was brilliantly executed. It achieved the sort of bullseye-hit results that billions of dollars can not buy, and probably can't be duplicated.
What were you doing that day? Were you not emotionally affected?
And yes. Two mod messages. Low quality contributions. The mod that sent me a message cited the bible. He couldn't counter my thoughts. Only by threatening to ban me.
You've started littering the forum with too many inconsequentials. Limit that to the shoutbox for a while.
You've started littering the forum with too many inconsequentials. Limit that to the shoutbox for a while.
I guess you are right! But Im so excited. I truly have the feeling to have found something! I stop at 1000. Take a break and write a book. Next week my laptop is finally lapped up. I miss her!
And yes. Two mod messages. Low quality contributions. The mod that sent me a message cited the bible. He couldn't counter my thoughts. Only by threatening to ban me.
To be honest, I'm surprised you've lasted this long. Which is not to say I don't think you belong here. As a wise philosopher once wrote "Prishon is a pain in the ass, but...." Generally, your posts and threads are substantive and often lead to interesting discussions. You are more or less civil, if a bit silly. So, silly, substantive, annoying, and civil. Sounds like a winner to me.
I hope you will/can hang around. Maybe if you back off a bit. Fewer single line smart ass responses. At least until the moderators learn to love you as much as the rest of us do.
A lot of us here kind of like @Prishon. He generally works and plays well with others and many of his posts are substantive, interesting, and productive. He seems to sincerely like it here. I think he will make a good member of the forum.
ArguingWAristotleTiffAugust 31, 2021 at 22:23#5877410 likes
I wish to associate myself with T Clark's comments on @Prishon. He (P) seems to have had a traumatic experience at Philosophy Stack Exchange, whatever the hell a stack exchange is. Granted, there are more real world refugees than we want to make room for, but Prishon is digital and takes up very few disc sectors in whatever god-forsaken server farm houses our happy home.
Just how many pounds of carbon are we responsible for, these days?
Reply to Shawn You should brush and floss every night. I suppose getting the floss wrapped around your cloven hoof would be a problem. So, use a water pick instead. Naturally, a pig bristle brush would be the best kind for you to use. I'm not sure Oral B makes those. Probably a specialty item. You'll need snout wash, too -- not the same thing as mouth wash. No fluoride. And hog wash for your evening shower. It leaves the bristles extra stiff and all pointing backwards.
DeScheleSchilderSeptember 01, 2021 at 04:32#5878820 likes
Cleaning the house of my granny. She watched TV and the program was changed. I
I saw the second plane hit live-on-air... Oofff....It even gave me a nightmare...To realize all these people were in!
TheSaneFoolSeptember 01, 2021 at 07:22#5879230 likes
Reply to T Clark On a desktop computer you can see your uploads under "Uploads" in the left-hand menu, and you can get your images under "Images" in the same menu. From there, you can download them or just get the URL.
javi2541997September 02, 2021 at 08:20#5882960 likes
Hello dear friends. If you are interested in property politics. Could you check this report from the Green Party at European Parliament and take action? We are closer to the reach the needed signs to reach the ambitious goal of avoiding homelessness in 2030. When more people express their support, the louder our demands will be heard in Brussels and the national capitals. That is why it is important to ask your friends to sign as well.
Not married. Oh man, can I choose which members I get the live feed of?
Yes you can choose which members you get the live feed of through our Premium Choice package!
The only kink we haven't worked out yet is how to turn the feed off! :joke:
Scio te esse, sed quid sum. - I know you are, but what am I?
Semper ubum sub ubum - Always wear underwear
Veni, vidi, vici - Turn left, then turn right, then go straight ahead
Latino numquam utar. Facit ut culus. - Never use Latin. It makes you sound like an asshole.
Cogito ergo sum - Boy, I really drank too much last night.
Carpe diem - Day old fish.
@Annobay isay anay opeday - Is this the way to Coonabarabran?
Well, when I got on the train around 9:20 the rain was pretty medium, and by the time I got off 10 minutes later it was insane. But the train ride was fine, I think I got off just in time. The 12 minute walk home, on the other hand, was pretty brutal. Apparently the subways are still pretty messed up this afternoon. You?
Noble DustSeptember 02, 2021 at 17:01#5884620 likes
All my Latin comes from one of three places 1) quotes from others, 2) I make them up, or 3) Google translate. For pig Latin I do my own translations.
Michael ZwingliSeptember 02, 2021 at 19:03#5884930 likes
Reply to T Clark ah, I see. I think that "culus" should take the ablative here, but my level of certainty is not great. I also seem to remember "ut" introducing a complementary clause of comparison with a noun in the accusative, so I'm not sure what the rule is here. I'm more familiar with the adverbial use of "ut", but this is "ut" as a conjunction; conjunctive ut can be followed by a verb in the indicative or the subjunctive with different meanings, but when introducing a complement consisting of a bare noun, like "culus", I am less sure. For we English speakers who grew up speaking an utterly analytic language, the proper inflection of nouns and adjectives can be murder.
The 12 minute walk home, on the other hand, was pretty brutal.
An upside of walking or bicycling in extremely heavy rain (with wind, lightening, etc.) is that once you are totally soaked, you can't get any wetter. I'd rather get wet on the street than in a subway tunnel. A clip of water (a lot!) plunging down the stairs and onto the tracks was very scary. There were people on the platform watching it.
In his fascinating book, The World Without Us, Alan Weisman describes how a place like NYC would succumb to the natural environment if we disappeared. At the present time, a lot of pumping goes on 24/7 just to keep ground water at bay. Without that pumping, the water would soon fill the subways, basements, low-long areas, etc. Without us, storms like IDA would cause damage that would never be repaired. Things would fall apart, the center would not hold.
New York has itself to blame for this. Manhattan was, once upon a time, a hilly, forested, well drained landscape for the most part. City planners wrecked all that in a colossal way when (1811) they decided to impose a flat grid on the island. "every valley was exalted and every mountain made low; the crooked made straight, and 3/4ths of it was paved with concrete" to paraphrase Isaiah.
Covering up natural drainage doesn't make it disappear, of course. That's why all the pumping. And when it does rain, concrete is great at shedding water into over-loaded sewers, convenient subway tunnels, or New Jersey airport buildings.
Minneapolis had a heavy rain in 1987 (I was bicycling home in it)--12" in a few hours. Amazing. Very damaging, and I've never seen another rain like that. I was grateful to not have been fried by one of the numerous lightening strikes.
Reply to T Clark According to the infallible Google Translate, facit ut culus culo translates as "makes you asshole asshole". If you leave the F off, thus acit ut culus culo, you get "He acts like an asshole." "acit ut" = act as. Culus = asshole, culo = backside. Anus, which is the proper term for an "ass hole" = old woman. Calling an old woman an anus would probably not be taken as an objective description or a compliment. Asshole, however, has been ameliorated from an excretory orifice to a general category of behavior. Anus, on the other hand, hasn't become a slur yet. How about rectum? Right. That's what Google Translate says rectum means. Right. How rectal you are. Nope. Rectal means rectal. In Spanish, bésame el culo = kiss my ass. So, the Visigoths changed things around a bit. (The Visigoths occupied Iberia during the Barbarian Invasions.)
Reply to Michael Zwingli You think we know what an ablative, subjunctive, or analytic language is? are? were? Were Americans to use the subjunctive, our countrypersons would not know what we would have meant to say was we to spoken normal.
You and Michael Zwingli are putting a lot more thought and effort into this than I did, or than it's worth. Keep up the good work.
My abiding interest in language and linguistics is one of my failings. Even though I am the perennial lingual dilettante, I find language and (particularly Indo-European) linguistic history infinitely fascinating.
Reply to Bitter Crank Google Translate has been ensuring that students fail their Latin courses since it was first developed; the software thereof just doesn't have the ability to determine inflection, at least in Latin. I don't know how Translate does with some of the modern inflected languages such as German, Polish, and Russian, but with Latin it truly bites the big (or not so big) one.
My abiding interest in language and linguistics is one of my failings. Even though I am the perennial lingual dilettante, I find language and (particularly Indo-European) linguistic history infinitely fascinating.
I hope you recognize my comment was intended to be light-hearted.
Michael ZwingliSeptember 03, 2021 at 02:18#5885890 likes
An upside of walking or bicycling in extremely heavy rain (with wind, lightening, etc.) is that once you are totally soaked, you can't get any wetter.
So true. You have to "lean into it", as us millennials say. It's almost worse to get slightly wet from a medium rain. Last night I just embraced how ridiculous it was and enjoyed the bath. I also somehow managed to smoke a cigarette during the sojourn.
Reply to Michael Zwingli It seem like Google Translate is OK for a quick and dirty translation of individual words and very short phrases in at least common European languages. Beyond that, it doesn't seem to be very reliable. Unfortunately, I don't speak another language well enough to gauge Google Translate's quality on extended text (such as 250 words). I've tested GT with texts from porn sites (French or German) and it appeared to do a good job with it -- maybe the software likes translating sex talk. It felt like a good translation.
Apple Corporation will make transcriptions of voice mails; I've been surprised at how well speech recognition software works.
In time the software will get better--much better. It's an interesting problem for bright young programmers to solve. Of course, the alternative is to learn another language. It's a little late for me, being way way past the language acquisition age.
I've tested GT with texts from porn sites (French or German) and it appeared to do a good job with it -- maybe the software likes translating sex talk.
:yikes:
Noble DustSeptember 03, 2021 at 07:29#5886400 likes
It seem like Google Translate is OK for a quick and dirty translation of individual words and very short phrases in at least common European languages. Beyond that, it doesn't seem to be very reliable.
DeepL is better (probably the best) for French.
Ennui ElucidatorSeptember 03, 2021 at 13:46#5887120 likes
I miss doing other people's logic homework. Shame that subforum didn't make the cut.
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 03, 2021 at 13:51#5887180 likes
Not positively. Though I can tell you, in the case of people willing to do your economics homework, supply does meet demand. Yet another example of supply side economics sucking.
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 03, 2021 at 15:32#5887550 likes
Not positively. Though I can tell you, in the case of people willing to do your economics homework, supply does meet demand. Yet another example of supply side economics sucking.
Now, I don't wish to digress in this conversation, but are you aware of someone who likes this kind of sucking? And if so might we be able to barter my economics away from my mind? :grin:
how about you up in New England?? How bad was Ida for you?
Not too bad. We had some rain, but this has already been one of the rainiest summers ever. It's been a big problem for my son and his fiance, who manage a farm.
One thing really odd - there have been two tornado warnings near my home in the past two weeks. This is very unusual. In one case, a funnel was observed, but not close to us. Earlier this week, another funnel was observed on Cape Cod less than a mile from where we were on vacation two weeks ago. I think that one was associated with the tropical storm.
In time the software will get better--much better. It's an interesting problem for bright young programmers to solve. Of course, the alternative is to learn another language. It's a little late for me, being way way past the language acquisition age.
I'm embarrassed, and pleased, that my stupid post set off an interesting discussion.
In the beginning
there was only one dark pink Rose-of-Sharon.
But in the next season a light pink one grew beside
and they lived in harmony, spring upon spring,
Tumbling in time.
Until one year a number of lavender ones appeared, they said they were hybrids.
But some believe the hybrid was a bad omen because that same year the demon-eyed human became tired of having its skin pricked by the wild blackberries and a war was stirred up
Many lost their lives.
Especially the ones that were tangled up with the blackberries.
And to this hour, the corpses of the berries lay rotting beside,
but not in
the compost pile.
Great heaps of mulch were laid over the places where the blackberries had thrived.
A red-tailed hawk looked on at the carnage and then flew away
No doubt it had spotted something fat to eat.
unenlightenedSeptember 04, 2021 at 14:45#5891850 likes
There used to be a thread for these things (out of context member quotes.) but where has it gone? In the meantime, I do assure you this makes perfect sense in the context from which it has been untimely plucked.
VagabondSpectreSeptember 05, 2021 at 00:31#5893700 likes
Reply to Hanover You should have the moss forcibly removed. It's defiantly squatting in oaken real-estate!
Sure they don't parasitize the oaks (they make their own food and what not), but the oaks gain nothing in return! (Ecologists call this relationship "commensialism", but that sounds suspiciously like communism to me!)
Trump’s coup attempt has not stopped – and Democrats must wake up
He still refuses to concede and riles up supporters with his bogus claim that the 2020 election was stolen. Tens of millions of Americans believe him.
...Cawthorn also advised the crowd to begin stockpiling ammunition for what he said was likely to be American-versus-American “bloodshed” over unfavorable election results...
On Tuesday, Texas Republicans passed a strict voter law based on Trump’s big lie – imposing new ID requirements on people seeking to vote by mail and criminal penalties on election officials who send unsolicited mail-in ballot applications, empowering partisan poll watchers, and banning drive-through and 24-hour voting.
This year, at least 18 other states have enacted 30 laws that will make it harder for Americans to vote, based on Trump’s lie...
Yet even as Trump’s attempted coup gains traction, most of the rest of America continues to sleep. We’ve become so outrage-fatigued by his antics, and so preoccupied with the more immediate threats of the Delta variant and climate-fueled wildfires and hurricanes, that we prefer not to know...
...unless Trump and his co-conspirators are held accountable for the damage they have inflicted and continue to inflict on American democracy, and unless Senate Democrats and Biden soon enact national voting rights legislation, Trump’s attempted coup could eventually succeed.
Cawthorn - this name keeps cropping up.
See the discussion: 'The Supremes and the New Texas Abortion Law':
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/588934
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/588962
Reply to Hanover If I lived there, I'd be pretty sure that large spiders were lurking in the moss and were waiting for unsuspecting, innocent victims to saunter by,
On the other hand, looking around the news and history, I can see why extraterrestrials might want to keep way off our radar. It's not like we homo sapiens at large are supremely rational and reasonable. :)
Either way, it might be safest for us if we find them before they find us. ;)
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 07, 2021 at 12:21#5901680 likes
Last chance to get on the Motorhome trip from Arizona to Spearfish SD.
Anyone?
:pray:
This reminds me of a trip I just returned from. Ruins of the Carnegie estate on Cumberland Island. From dust to dust.
And that reminds me of this:
[i]I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”[/i]
and yet the thread has 18 replies already. Bitch to a Mod if you are unhappy.
I moved this over here to keep from cluttering up the thread.
No need to get moderators involved. I was just trying to edumacate @Cidat. When you start a discussion, you are expected to provide some substance in the OP. Of course, providing substance has never been one of your priorities.
Reply to T Clark I have always found the later romantics--Shelley, Keats, Byron, et al distasteful. Keats can keep his odes to Greek urinals. "it is through beauty that humankind comes closest to truth".
When old age shall this generation waste,
Thou shalt remain, in midst of other woe
Than ours, a friend to man, to whom thou say'st,
"Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know."
It is a good thing, a great thing even, to experience beauty--and truth, too. The truth might be beautiful, but it might also project itself with hideous strength, a disfiguring malignancy. I don't know... I just can't get into the world view of the late romantics. Better for me the early Romantics like Coleridge and Wordsworth,
He prayeth best, who loveth best
All things both great and small;
For the dear God who loveth us,
He made and loveth all. Coleridge
or
And did the Countenance Divine,
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark Satanic Mills? Blake
or
The world is too much with us; late and soon,
Getting and spending, we lay waste our powers;—
Little we see in Nature that is ours;
We have given our hearts away, a sordid boon!
This Sea that bares her bosom to the moon;
The winds that will be howling at all hours,
And are up-gathered now like sleeping flowers;
For this, for everything, we are out of tune;
It moves us not. Great God! I’d rather be
A Pagan suckled in a creed outworn;
So might I, standing on this pleasant lea,
Have glimpses that would make me less forlorn;
Have sight of Proteus rising from the sea;
Or hear old Triton blow his wreathèd horn. Wordsworth
Points are awarded for poetic quotes only when they come out o the blue--like yours did. If one is carping about the Romantics, one clearly does not earn points for quoting them.
He ridicules me
for not reading poetry
but his haikus suck
javi2541997September 08, 2021 at 16:34#5907280 likes
It is time to fade away. After thinking deeply in my own I going to take a Honjok lifestyle. I enjoyed this seven months a lot of you and I learnt a lot of things. But, for my mental health and taking care of myself is better to not make relations (because I feel I am not so worthy) with others at all and stay away from people except professional or academical issues.
Best wishes to all the members of this group that so nicely always answered me on the threads.
I could have read
A poem called
Ozymandias
To her instead
I left the moment
It was a futile
Gesture anyway
I was here
And she was here
And being broad
Of minds and hips
We did the only
Thing possible
I guess I should
Have strangled her
To death
But, I had to go
To work
And she had laced my coffee
With acid
Normally
I wouldn't
Have minded
But I'm allergic so sulfuric
Acid
Besides
She had acne
And if you got acne
Well, I apologise for
Disliking
You intensely
But it's understandable
That I'll be king
Of your complexes
I mean
It seems to me
That I'll be king
Of the isle of sharks
IT'S ONLY THE CHILDREN
OF THE FUCKING WEALTHY
WHO TEND TO BE
GOOD-LOOKING
An ugly fart
Attrackts a good-looking
Chick if he's got money
If he's got money
It's different
For jews somehow
I'd like to see
A passionate
Film between
The two ugliest
People in the world
When I say ugly
I don't mean rot-looking
I mean hideous
Don't tell me that
Aesthetics are
Subjective you'll
Know the truth
When you see it
Whatever it is
It is time to fade away. After thinking deeply in my own I going to take a Honjok lifestyle. I enjoyed this seven months a lot of you and I learnt a lot of things. But, for my mental health and taking care of myself is better to not make relations (because I feel I am not so worthy) with others at all and stay away from people except professional or academical issues.
Best wishes to all the members of this group that so nicely always answered me on the threads.
If one is carping about the Romantics, one clearly does not earn points for quoting them.
There is poetry being quoted in three threads now. I really love it. It takes some leverage to get me to read poetry, so this is opening my eyes. You, @Amity and @Gus Lamarch are giving me stuff to think about and making me want to read more. Maybe we can keep one of these threads open all the time.
Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.
This is one of the lines I remember from high school. I use it to show my erudition or as a smart-ass comment in a discussion about truth. Somewhere along the line I figured out, as you did, that it isn't correct.
Anyone been watching Shameless (the US TV series)? Dark comedic drama. Great acting.
Not for sensitive viewers. Has violence, rough language, drugs (and plenty alcohol), death, nudity, sexuality of whatever kind, soft porn, opportunist behavior, attempted murder without particular consequences, occasional irrational emotional outbursts, lying, cheating, scamming, kids in the middle of it all, ... After a few seasons, you can't help but wonder why more of them aren't behind bars (or at the asylum).
I suppose it can be seen as a social commentary. Has social realism, the destitute, the punk attitudes, occasional (anti)stereotyping though otherwise fairly realistic characters, ... The characters aren't exactly to be emulated though not exactly evil either, likable, real life has it all.
Not for sensitive viewers. Has violence, rough language, drugs (and plenty alcohol), death, nudity, sexuality of whatever kind, soft porn, opportunist behavior, attempted murder without particular consequences, occasional irrational emotional outbursts, lying, cheating, scamming, kids in the middle of it all, ...
Never watched the US version. I do like the UK one. I was in love with Fiona from the first time I saw her. She could look goofy and beautiful and ugly all at the same time. From what you've written, it sounds like the US version is rougher than the UK version. I've thought about watching it. I really like William H. Macy is one of the best actors ever. Even if he did try to cheat to get his kid into college.
There once was a man from Nagasaki
Who had a girlfriend from the banks of Milwaukee
they went fishing one day
but instead had his way
and said this American tastes better than sushi.
I suppose it can be seen as a social commentary. Has social realism, the destitute, the punk attitudes, occasional (anti)stereotyping though otherwise fairly realistic characters, ... The characters aren't exactly to be emulated though not exactly evil either, likable, real life has it all.
I don't own a television any more (and there is no virtue-signal in this), but I do watch stuff on Netflix. It seems like the 'orbit of plots" in these shows starts out well enough -- the first 2 or 3 episodes set the show up, and are fairly interesting. Then the plot orbit veers into the dark zone of violence, crude behavior, crazy irrational obsessions, and so on. Take for instance "The Defeated" which is set in the immediate post WWII occupation of Germany. The setting provide years' worth of plots about what it was like to be occupied after a horrendous episode of fascism, genocide, and various other grotesque events. But that's not enough. No, the script writers decided the already bad situation required an extra-evil character to amp up scenes of horror.
That's one thing; another is the quick resort to repetitive plotting, where the same kind of situations keep happening. In a comedy, it would be the repetitive lame joke. In a drama it is the repetitive fight scene, or chase, or explosions, etc.
It's not social commentary! It's unimaginative production featuring a small set of plot devices that are 'smash, bang, crash, POW!, splatter' and repeat. Productions made in the US specialize in this, but European productions suffer from repetitiveness as well. In the Norwegian (?) production of Occupied, the Russians have coerced Norway into abandoning its zero-carbon program in favor of continued oil production to satisfy European demand. Interesting plot idea; very little violence. This show had great potential, but it kept taxi-ing down the runway without actually taking off. Maybe it was a bit too low budget, too cerebral... But it definitely didn't fulfill it's potential.
Great content is a like gold, silver, or platinum -- wonderful if you have it, difficult to fake if you don't.
Where social commentary comes in is this: There are too many entertainment channels chasing too few gifted writers, production companies, and so forth. The result is the bloated entertainment landscape that exists.
That's one thing; another is the quick resort to repetitive plotting, where the same kind of situations keep happening. In a comedy, it would be the repetitive lame joke. In a drama it is the repetitive fight scene, or chase, or explosions, etc.
In one of my favorite TV shows of all time, "The Rockford Files," we used to joke that Rockford always got hit on the head and knocked out at 20 minutes in. I also love "Burn Notice." When I first got Netflix I watched the first 40 episodes. I loved the characters, but after a while all the plots were the same.
I've never been to Nagasaki. When I think of Milwaukee it's more of sauerbraten. sauerkraut, and Calatrava than sushi and fish sauce.
What I can say about Wisconsin is that people from Wisconsin are really proud to be from Wisconsin. Not sure why. They also drink a lot of beer and drinking and driving is pretty much ok the first couple of times you get caught.
I would watch Colombo if it was on. I would make sure I watched Rockford Files every week. My list of favorite TV shows. I only count ones that came after 1970. Before that, I loved everything, Even McHale's Navy.
Simpsons
Muppets
Justified
60 Minutes
Hill Street Blues
Rockford Files
Mash
Homicide
Rockford Files
Bosom Buddies
Friday Night Lights
Mystery Science Theater 3000 (Joel episodes)
Band of Brothers
The Daily Show (Jon Stewart episodes)
Roseanne
The Wonder Years
Monty Python's Flying Circus
Criteria for getting on the list - At least once I have to say "I can't believe it's this good."
I've never been to Nagasaki. When I think of Milwaukee it's more of sauerbraten. sauerkraut, and Calatrava than sushi and fish sauce.
I've only been to Milwaukee once, when my brother was living there. We went to a German restaurant. Mmmm...If you're ever driving along the Mosel River between Kolblenz and the French Border, go to the Hotel Trauben restaurant. Schwein Fleisch mmm... A different kind of potatoes with every dish. If you decide to stay, get a room away from the road.
Reply to T Clark Some you left off: All in the Family, Soap, Happy Days, the Love Boat, Fantasy Island, Alice, One Day at a Time, Reno 911, Modern Family, the old David Letterman Show (when he was on very late night and before he was angry).
Some you left off: All in the Family, Soap, Happy Days, the Love Boat, Fantasy Island, Alice, One Day at a Time, Reno 911, Modern Family, the old David Letterman Show (when he was on very late night and before he was angry).
As I noted, the shows on my list were not necessarily the best, only my favorites. If we're talking about late night talk shows, my favorite was the one with the gay skeleton cohost.
Noble DustSeptember 08, 2021 at 20:58#5908350 likes
They don’t realize
My genius is the courage
To write bad haikus
They don’t realize
My genius is the courage
To write bad haikus
This is from National Lampoon from 1973:
The crossed-out word is a derogatory word for Japanese person. It used to be used all the time when I was a kid. It's what they called Japanese on McHale's Navy, one of my favorite shows. It was a comedy about WW2 in the Pacific with Ernest Borgnine and Tim Conway.
No, "Borgnine" is not the same as "9 of 9."
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 08, 2021 at 22:00#5908600 likes
90* in Colorado, in a 32 ft motorhome.
Trying to sleep or read is nauseating and if I say anything, I am given the subliminal shade of ok, could we please talk about me somemore.
Taking 3 college classes remote to get to the point, where I get to choose our mode of transportation to Chicago and Michigan.
Anyway, I smacked my head on a sharp corner when the bus shifted.
I asked because it was bleeding, behind my car on my skull and asked if it needs to be glued shut.
They said no. They being NicK, our oldest Indian and his fiance.
If I were to suddenly take my last breath, I want Star Gazer Lilly's, Deep purple lilacs, and soft lilac as well and a bunch of pussy willows woven together to form a heart.
I love you :heart:
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 08, 2021 at 22:07#5908630 likes
Best wishes to all the members of this group that so nicely always answered me on the threads.
Do you have time to get to know you before you go? I always feel like if I approach you or any one really, I think they are thinking that I am hitting on them. I jest because I love and I have plenty of too for you.
Where are you from?
I was born and bred in Chicago, moved out to AZ with my parents and have been here since.
Now? I am on a road trip and well, I can be a long day.
Where are you logging in from?
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff I've often wondered about your pfp. An Indian woman sitting under the trees. Why do you have such a pfp, is it because you are Indian? Or do you have Indian ancestry?
If I were to suddenly take my last breath, I want Star Gazer Lilly's, Deep purple lilacs, and soft lilac as well and a bunch of pussy willows woven together to form a heart
You mentioned music, and Pandora just sent me this, from the heavens, or however it found my phone, and I never heard it before, and it blew me away, so I share it:
You, Amity and @Gus Lamarch are giving me stuff to think about and making me want to read more. Maybe we can keep one of these threads open all the time.
One of the powers of poetic metaphysics is to transform attraction from aesthetics into emotive substance.
A couple of years ago I recorded a mini-album of synth tracks improvised on free synth apps on my smartphone and subsequently recorded from the phone's speaker into an old 1930's carbon microphone (which has since bit the dust). The artist name was Blast Beat Beautiful, and the album name was Blast Beat Bricolage. Needless to say, I've never released it to the public.
Noble DustSeptember 10, 2021 at 03:48#5916250 likes
Wow, from the wiki page on carbon microphones:
Carbon microphones are also widely used in safety-critical applications such as mining and chemical manufacturing, where higher line voltages cannot be used, due to the risk of sparking and consequent explosions. Carbon-based telephone systems are also resistant to damage from high-voltage transients, such as those produced by lightning strikes, and electromagnetic pulses of the type generated by nuclear explosions, and so are still maintained as backup communication systems in critical military installations.
Noble DustSeptember 10, 2021 at 03:55#5916290 likes
Reply to Noble Dust Yes, bad poetry (like barely making it even as doggerel) should definitely not stand unimproved.
There was a young son of Hanover's
who suffered from well-earned hangovers.
Oh agony and pain! lamented the swain,
As he flushed himself down the drain.
This is doggerel, but at least it's better doggerel. Tragic doggerel, actually, resulting in the death of a drunken swain who couldn't stand the pain. No relative of OUR Hanover of course.
Reply to T Clark So the thing to do, then, is just engage in Poetry Criticism wherever the curse of inept rhythm and incompetent rhyme is found. True, the Lounge is where bright ideas go to die.
I'm in if you're in. Let's both look to the greater good of what we'll accomplish with this endeavor; set aside selfish ambitions and truly give ourselves to a Noble cause for once.
Really nice work, but it's not a haiku. I hope you know that.
Anyway, to go into the standard "shoutbox shitty poem critique" formula (as codified by @Bitter Crank), overall, this is actually pretty nice. The main issue is that it's apparently a piggyback poem to the quote from BC which is problematic because whether or not the quoted text is in fact a poem remains to be seen...and therefore I'm confused. Your poem relies so heavily on the quote that the resulting existential question of whether the quoted text in fact counts as poetry itself renders this whole critique a sort of zero. I don't know. It's not a bad poem, but I have to give it a 6.8/10.
MikeBlenderSeptember 10, 2021 at 06:53#5917140 likes
Your poem relies so heavily on the quote that the resulting existential question of whether the quoted text in fact counts as poetry itself renders this whole critique a sort of zero. I don't know. It's not a bad poem, but I have to give it a 6.8/10.
:heart:
Ain't it Limerickian style?
Noble DustSeptember 10, 2021 at 06:57#5917180 likes
Wow, I've never experienced such a quick turnaround of pure love. All I can do is amend the review to a strong 7.9 out of 10, assuming @Bitter Crank's approval of the score change.
MikeBlenderSeptember 10, 2021 at 07:00#5917190 likes
Wow, I've never experienced such a quick turnaround of pure love. All I can do is amend the review to a strong 7.9 out of 10, assuming Bitter Crank's approval of the score change.
:heart: :heart: :heart:
Consider us engaged...
Noble DustSeptember 10, 2021 at 07:05#5917220 likes
On 2001 I had just gotten to work at the U of MN. Fairly soon someone rolled out a TV in the building's atrium. I went downstairs to watch. Appalling and absolutely fascinating.
I was also appalled that business went on as usual at the University. It seemed like an appropriate reaction would have been to close the U and send people home--not for our safety, but to give us time to process.
StreetlightSeptember 12, 2021 at 03:23#5928730 likes
Remembering the day that the US abused the deaths of ~3000 people to engage in a murdeous paroxysm of international violence that would leave ~400,000 people dead around the world while ensuring the propogation of terrorism better than anyone ever could. Also for ensuring that utter destruction of civil liberties all around the globe, most especially in my own country, whose snivelling obedience to the American state is a mark of everlasting shame. Never again indeed.
There's this song from The Fantastics!, an ancient musical you might remember
Try to remember the kind of September
When life was slow and oh, so mellow.
Try to remember the kind of September
When grass was green and grain was yellow.
Try to remember the kind of September
When you were a tender and callow fellow.
Try to remember, and if you remember,
Then wallow, wallow, wallow, wallow.
Noble DustSeptember 12, 2021 at 05:04#5929250 likes
Hmm. You live in a country that suffers from imperialism. You hate the US. You accuse me of having no substance to add when I highlight your country's imperialism, at your own suggestion.
StreetlightSeptember 12, 2021 at 06:02#5929400 likes
Reply to Noble Dust idk I'm a broad tent kinda guy, I hate all imperialism but I also believe in proportionality and the US is clearly the most murderous country in the world right now and 9/11 is a chance to reflect on that.
Noble DustSeptember 12, 2021 at 06:12#5929430 likes
When you use the word "proportionality" are you referring to it's use in law or it's use in algebra?
How does "reflecting" on the fact that the US is the "biggest POS country in the world right now" help anyone other than folks like yourself? You're not convincing anyone of your views here. If you want to create change, you'd be wise to be a little more welcoming and a lot less hostile.
StreetlightSeptember 12, 2021 at 06:40#5929470 likes
We all avoid our negative attributes and cast terms against them. Without revealing your fair weather logic or attempting to cast you as ignorant, which I know you're not.. I'm condemning modern society and to an extent men more than any one gender. You're smart. But as you know, you have more to learn.
What attitude towards gay people? If I like the color green and another man likes the color red, perhaps I will suggest he open himself to it. Is that not what 'gay people' suggest toward others? Again, much to learn. Thank you for the reply however.
I saw Ben Hur and read the book. Long time ago. "Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ by General Lew Wallace was published by Harper & Brothers on November 12, 1880. Wallace had been researching and writing the novel for seven years. He did most of his work underneath a beech tree near his residence in Crawfordsville, Indiana." It's a typical Jesus movie with added chariot races--the Formula One of the Roman world.
Writing under a beech tree--Fagus grandifolia, rather than Fagus sylvatica, the European version; that would account for it.
I'm not quite sure what you are proposing. Could you expand the "it" pronoun that you propose I do?
Why, simply to actualize the point of philosophy itself, young Watson. To question what is believed, and on occasion to test it with real and purposeful action.
Is that not what 'gay people' suggest toward others?
As a matter of fact... 3 years ago I was wearing red socks which this guy on the train noticed. He declared he had never worn red socks! (Meaning what? Was this some sort of obscure virtue-signal I had not heard of? Did he suspect me of being a communist? Maybe he thought bright red socks were kind of gay? Bright colors on men are kind of gay, if you ask this gay guy.)
As you recommended, I urged him to open himself to red socks. Solid, bright, red. Cotton, preferably.
IF some gay men urge others to try gay sex (if they are being serious as opposed to a 'ditch the bitch and switch' jokey) it is because they think the guy would if he had the courage. Courage? Sure. It takes courage for guilt-ridden, closeted homosexuals (who are still being produced by guilt-tripping repressive heterosexual families) to admit they are gay, and then take the necessary steps to actually have gay sex. It can be a daunting process to shed all the guilt, fears, and self-loathing that may have been installed.
So no, gay men generally don't advise straight men to try gay sex. They don't have to. Enough straight men are willing to have the right kind of gay sex with other men to produce a fair amount of traffic in the park, and several elsewheres. It's one more example of good old polymorphic perversity.
Read Tearoom Trade, the popular edition of Laud Humphrey's 1968 PhD thesis. It's about sex in public restrooms in St. Louis, Missouri. The men who engaged in man on man sex turned out to be pretty typical "middle class" working men with families.
The history of the chariot is very interesting. Where did this race take place in the book--can't remember? Surely not in eastern provinces! The track in Rome did indeed involve a hairpin turn at each end of the oval.
My visions of him are either as Moses or head of the NRA. Neither very inspiring images for me. I always try to remember he was one of the earliest public supporters of the civil rights movement in the 1950s.
VagabondSpectreSeptember 12, 2021 at 22:43#5934100 likes
Reply to T Clark Apparently about 150 horses were killed in order to get footage this stunning.
Probably on par for a genuine roman hippodrome event...
Reply to Shawn Hold on there -- popcorn anachronism alert. Popcorn doesn't make an appearance in Anglo-European history until the Wampanoag Indians served it to the Pilgrims during the half-time show on Thanksgiving afternoon. There was no tomato sauce in all of the Roman Empire, either.
The Romans dipped their bread in fermented fish sauce (garum).
Popcorn doesn't make an appearance in Anglo-European history until the Wampanoag Indians served it to the Pilgrims during the half-time show on Thanksgiving afternoon.
At the risk of expulsion from this.. massive community I will post my current response as well as the immediate one I was about to post that was typed and just so happens to be here..
I thank you for your honesty and description. Yet I remain curious. You can understand that, right? An open public forum is neither the place nor setting for what you know I am about to ask, as it is a common stereotype against gay people, yet here I go. What was the worst thing you experienced at a young age and was it physical? You need not answer descriptively just to give a number rating. 1-10.
Have you ever (believed at the time you have) been sexually attracted to a female? Did it work out? Immediately? Long term? Experienced "heartbreak" as it were? Unrequited denial? Sorry, this is a bit personal but who knows.. in your honesty you may be paving the road for a lonely stranger just like you to "see the light", as it were. If you're brave enough. Are you?
Read Tearoom Trade, the popular edition of Laud Humphrey's 1968 PhD thesis. It's about sex in public restrooms in St. Louis, Missouri.
I will, thank you, ignoring the latter part of the sentence. I suppose, what made you sure you were as other people (who are not you yet you conform to thus somewhat proving you were) say you were gay? Have you never had/were denied intimacy with a woman?
Tom StormSeptember 13, 2021 at 05:40#5935630 likes
Reply to VagabondSpectre There's a guy wearing a wristwatch in the chariot race. And no, that's not a euphemism...
This is so ignorant, disrespectful. You shouldn’t be banned, but you should be embarrassed. Ashamed.
OutlanderSeptember 13, 2021 at 06:00#5935740 likes
Words are fun, logic and explanations are better. Though I will heed your advice and would thank you for it if your cognitive dissonance would allow, which it would appear in certain situations it does not. Not that it matters, especially to certain types, but on occasion words speak more about the person speaking them then the person they're directed toward. As you suggest. Two-way street, or perhaps only one can be right. I care little about opinion other than logic.
Of course.. some responses aren't worth dignifying with a reply.. if only I could've gotten away with that in school.
Edit: Also, what could be more ignorant than a knowledgeable person who believes they are right or "good" as it were failing to educate someone with lesser knowledge? Disrespectful? I treat all as equals, assuming they follow the laws and pay taxes, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong and therefore the other person has the higher ground of reality and so should pity me. There is no disrespect in either confirming one's beliefs if they happen to be right or questioning them if they may be wrong. Iron sharpens iron. What do you do?
HeracloitusSeptember 13, 2021 at 09:58#5936520 likes
Are you actually insinuating that homosexuality is a result of early trauma?
OutlanderSeptember 13, 2021 at 12:46#5937200 likes
Let's just move on. It was an innocent intellectual inquiry perhaps ignorant but nonetheless valid.
I'm suggesting that abnormal generally (but not necessarily) negative behaviours, mannerisms, and yes lifestyles perhaps may be the result of nurture vs. nature and/or that at the very least perhaps we don't know all there is to know about this thing we call the human brain let alone life itself.
SophistiCatSeptember 13, 2021 at 12:53#5937240 likes
@Hanover@Baden You should start mass-deleting his posts when you ban his next sock. It probably takes like 15 minutes to make a new account, and he clearly has nothing better to do with his life. Perhaps having all his posts disappear within hours will discourage him.
OutlanderSeptember 13, 2021 at 13:46#5937660 likes
Just forget it. I was asking a serious question out of genuine curiosity about a topic that has always intrigued me. In fact, a topic some say I "should know all about" lol. Really. It's a major vulnerability for me. So don't think I'm trying to mindlessly (or intentionally) offend anybody, especially on a website I know is strict. I can't stand people like that. But whatever.
I'm 28 for goodness sake. Cut me a break. You people are no fun. I'm going back to the conspiracy forums. At least they appreciate my wisdom or entertainingly obvious lack of it. Cheers, crank. Hope I make it to your age. I guess lol. Being religious I suppose I consider myself a spaceman.. :cheer:
And besides, not to cash in on my age too much but.. T Clark started it >.>
Let's just admit we were all stressed from the anniversary of 9/11 and weren't thinking rationally.
I didn't even want to post this reply nor remove any of my posts because I honestly don't feel I did anything wrong. I asked questions, that at worse betray my own ignorance and intolerance. No personal offense was ever intended, simply inquiry. Inappropriate as I now see it may have been. I'm an alcoholic ok, I got problems. Jeez people can be so uncaring.
SoftEdgedWonderSeptember 13, 2021 at 14:03#5937790 likes
Reply to Outlander The ban issue wasn't about you at all. We have a poster who was banned and who continuously signs back on and gets banned again and again.
OutlanderSeptember 13, 2021 at 15:53#5938450 likes
Well where else is there to go to get your intellectual kicks online as it were, or learn some by seeing what you need to learn. This is a great place. Like all things in this world I don't assign any mortal necessity to it but.. perhaps he needs to be educated more. We (you, whatever) may be his last hope, a dying man in an ocean of ignorance, benighted to the core, and we need only but throw a single life ring, which is truth and compassionate wisdom toward him, to save a life. Who could say.
OutlanderSeptember 13, 2021 at 16:04#5938550 likes
What was the worst thing you experienced at a young age and was it physical?
Well, the usual things that happen to just about all children. playground injuries, sibling competition, being punished (mildly) for mischief and misdeeds, that sort of thing. There was no 'sexuality-defining trauma' in my childhood.
Did any of this influence sexual orientation? No. I don't subscribe to the theory that childhood experiences cause sexual orientation. I'm confident that it is set before birth -- not genetically like eye color, but biologically (interaction of hormones in utero). That goes for gays and straights alike.
How one experiences sexuality, and what happens to us along the way of growing up shapes HOW we are sexual. But then, EVERYTHING that happens to us along the way of growing up shapes us. For instance, how much risk are we willing to take? How deep are the ruts we get stuck in? How sociable are we? and so on.
Most children experience sexual interests which tend to remain throughout life. So, young children who experience heterosexual interests are highly likely to still be heterosexual after puberty. Same for homosexual interests.
A big wrinkle: It's often enough not all one or the other. As Alfred Kinsey and others have shown, sexuality ranges between 0 and 6, [the "Kinsey Scale"] 0 being exclusively heterosexual, 6 being exclusively homosexual. A small percentage of the population (2.5%) are exclusively homosexual -- that's the group I fit into. Zero interest in heterosexual experience. Never so much as a twitch.
The largest part of the population are exclusively heterosexual--hence steady population growth. A diminishing percentage of people are a combination--the more varied the sexual experiences an individual has (say, 70% heterosexual, 30% homosexual) the smaller the group of similar people he fits into. Again, most people are heterosexual and same-sex experiences do not figure significantly into their lives.
in your honesty you may be paving the road for a lonely stranger just like you to "see the light", as it were. If you're brave enough. Are you?
There are several light bulbs on the ceiling, which one is "THE light"?
Let's say that "seeing the light" is recognizing what is most congruent with one's desires, what makes one happy. In other words more, 'do what you like' and less 'do what others expect you to do'. I was brave enough, and in the last 50 years I have met many other people who were also brave enough.
Not that finding one's way to what will make one happy is a snap for everyone. Many people have difficulty finding the right partner(s) at the right time and the right place in their lives. Hence all the unhappiness.
I'm in synagogue at a bar mitzvah and there were a bunch of obviously not Jewish kids in the back rows who had come to see their friend's bar mitzvah, who likely knew exactly one Jewish kid, and so the rabbi went back there before service began and welcomed them and told them how the service worked .
Of course no explanation was owed, and I'm sure there were some kids who had views very much opposed to the rabbi's, but I was comforted by that moment as a member there. We're all ambassadors whether we like it or not and there are all sorts of people who have never seen anything outside their small circle, so sometimes providing an explanation when it is not owed can be inspiring moment of outreach.
Did Boghossian just alienate everyone? Pull irresponsible stunts? Fuel creepy reactionaries? Point at a legitimate problem? Do what had to be done? Justifiably harass postmodernism? Give philosophy/journals a bad name? All of that? Something else?
I've come across people having (ab)used Boghossian's goings-and-doings as proof that peer-reviewing (as an assurance method) doesn't work in general, and therefore scientific findings aren't trustworthy. A bit hyperbolic, yet such (ab)uses can apparently feed anti-science sentiments.
unenlightenedSeptember 14, 2021 at 11:51#5944090 likes
[quote=ex-prof Bogoff]I decided to study the new values that were engulfing Portland State and so many other educational institutions — values that sound wonderful, like diversity, equity, and inclusion, but might actually be just the opposite. The more I read the primary source material produced by critical theorists, the more I suspected that their conclusions reflected the postulates of an ideology, not insights based on evidence.[/quote]
Values based on evidence eh? I'm not sure that is a good idea...
He got involved in some reactionary activism that blew up in his face. That doesn't absolve the other side of blame, but he comes across as rather whiney and pathetic.
Srap TasmanerSeptember 14, 2021 at 12:19#5944140 likes
I don't keep up with this stuff, but I do have a little more than a passing awareness of it. (Read some articles, watched some videos.) I've actually been struggling with one little corner of the issue in a very practical way for quite some time now, with no solution.
I work at a Barnes & Noble. I think a lot about how to classify and arrange books. We have a sort of catchall section that's labeled "Social Sciences" that does include books you'd think of social science. (Whenever we have Weber, that's where he goes.) But if a book advocates for a particular policy position, I lean toward pushing that book over to the "Current Affairs" section. There are data-driven analyses there too -- and lots of political and ideological bloviating -- but if they reach conclusions and make recommendations, I consider the presence of research or evidential support secondary to the purpose of the book. It's participating in a different conversation from what I think of as social science.
But I can't do that, because if I did, I'd be moving, I don't know, 80% of the books in the "Social Science" section over to "Current Affairs". Almost everything we carry is advocacy. There may or may not be research attached; obviously there's generally something like analysis; but the vast majority of books there are not dispassionate or scientific in any traditional sense -- they don't aspire to be -- and the heavily theoretical ones of course will argue that there's no such thing.
It's all a very strange result, because traditional sociologists very often did research on inequality or race or gender precisely because they saw injustice and wanted people to understand it so that something could be done about it. But we've shifted now to theory being entirely in the service of praxis, and the "understanding" step, where you might do careful research, is treated as no longer necessary -- or rather, it's assumed that we already know exactly what the problem is and enough with the time-wasting research already.
I understand that point of view, and I also understand that my understanding of it is limited in ways I won't always recognize as someone who enjoys relative privilege in my society. I understand that the old model of sociology I described was largely, but not exclusively, a matter of middle-class white people trying to understand things they don't themselves have to experience everyday. But it was still an effort to understand the world, and I have trouble throwing that away.
Soulshine by The Allman brothers with Government Mule
Ave Maria - Pavarotti and Bono Latin and English lyrics respectively
Thank You - Led Zeppelin
Ripple - The Grateful Dead
Thank you for asking :flower:
Now, do you think you can handle the booking when it's time?
Srap TasmanerSeptember 14, 2021 at 14:55#5944700 likes
Reply to Hanover As a favor? Or are you offering something in trade?
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 14, 2021 at 15:07#5944780 likes
I work at a Barnes & Noble. I think a lot about how to classify and arrange books. We have a sort of catchall section that's labeled "Social Sciences" that does include books you'd think of social science. (Whenever we have Weber, that's where he goes.) But if a book advocates for a particular policy position, I lean toward pushing that book over to the "Current Affairs" section. There are data-driven analyses there too -- and lots of political and ideological bloviating -- but if they reach conclusions and make recommendations, I consider the presence of research or evidential support secondary to the purpose of the book. It's participating in a different conversation from what I think of as social science.
I'm not an expert but I am studying social work and there is a LOT of focus on the current state of affairs. The cultural competency expected of me is VERY different from the culture I consider myself blessed to have been raised in.
One major change, has been a slow turn over generations, is that of racism in my family. There have been a lot of contributing factors and I am pushing the boundaries of my upbringing, to be mindfully aware of the inequality that exists today and how fluid it can appear but the unequally levels rise "unequally", respectively.
"I'm not sure if that makes sense but if it doesn't, let me know and I will try to add more words." xz_Joel
:flower:
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 14, 2021 at 15:11#5944800 likes
I miss my favorite rat terrier, Trey Gowdy, when it comes to staying on topic during government questioning!
Where the hell is Jim Jordan? :brow:
John Bayner wasn't even gone a day before he found a lucrative deal in Cannabis.
Bailey GauntSeptember 14, 2021 at 17:53#5945480 likes
hi! boom booh
180 ProofSeptember 14, 2021 at 17:53#5945500 likes
Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-CA) survives GOP/MAGA/Covid-denial power grab today. Thanks Larry Elder for "suppressing" your own voters by telling them for weeks the recall election was already ("stolen") rigged against them. :clap: :sweat:
As it happens, this is the best bookstore Athens has ever had, and we're not responsible for the death of the best bookstore Atlanta ever had. They would have mismanaged themselves into bankruptcy without any help from us.
Gov. Gavin Newsome (D-CA) survives GOP/MAGA/Covid-denial power grab
This man can only do one thing to correct what he has fucked up during his term for California and that is to say:
"I officially resign." Period. Full Stop.
BUT the man does not posses enough self respect to gracefully step down.
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 14, 2021 at 19:16#5946030 likes
As it happens, this is the best bookstore Athens has ever had, and we're not responsible for the death of the best bookstore Atlanta ever had. They would have mismanaged themselves into bankruptcy without any help from us.
You're referring to Oxford Books in Peachtree Battle?
Srap TasmanerSeptember 14, 2021 at 19:38#5946170 likes
Reply to Hanover Yeah the Peachtree Battle location, with Oxford Too just across the parking lot and up the hill. Good memories
Athens and Atlanta square off regarding who destroyed America's innocence.
Bulldawg nation wreaks havoc.
Srap TasmanerSeptember 14, 2021 at 19:42#5946200 likes
Ansley Mall had a surprisingly good little bookstore too. I was there once buying a stack of Wittgenstein books and the guy behind the counter says, "Philosophy major, huh?" Yeah. After a moment he says, "I was a philosophy major." Then one by one he points out the other employees: "He was a philosophy. He was a philosophy major. She was a philosophy major." I didn't know it then, but my career in bookselling was already assured.
180 ProofSeptember 14, 2021 at 19:43#5946210 likes
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff My friend, you live in a state (my previous "red state" mistake on par with my current one) damaged by e.g. pandemic mismanagement & voter-suppression/purges by that sycophantic, trump-stain Doug Ducey ... so puhleez. :lol: You should wish y'all had a far less craven and more competent – mistakes and all – chief executive like the current governor of California. :cool:
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 14, 2021 at 20:19#5946380 likes
My friend, you live in a state (my previous "red state" mistake on par with my current one) damaged by e.g. pandemic mismanagement & voter-suppression/purges by that sycophantic, trump-stain Doug Ducey ... so puhleez. :lol: You should wish y'all had a far less craven and more competent – mistakes and all – chief executive like the current governor of California
Boof! Did you see that in the Western sky?
You just made my head explode :scream:
AND you knew it would!
There's an old joke about an AI that can converse with anyone on the proper level, just punch in the age and IQ, and it might talk high-energy physics or current events or Pokemon, depending. When you put in the lowest number it will accept, it just says "How 'bout them dawgs!"
Reply to unenlightened, Reply to Baden, Reply to Srap Tasmaner, thanks for the comments.
Boghossian's stunt fallouts are unfortunate, yet, that aside, I'm guessing that some publishers/journals have been doing some soul-searching subsequently. Wouldn't that be appropriate anyway...?
In other words, Boghossian may or may not have pointed a possible problem out, regardless of the rest, hence a catch-22-alike situation?
(briefly considered opening a new thread about this noisy stuff, but no bother)
Srap TasmanerSeptember 15, 2021 at 01:24#5947890 likes
Reply to jorndoe I think everyone already knew that the current academic publishing treadmill means a whole lot of crap is getting published. That is nothing to do with theory at all. (On the other hand, Sokal got into Social Text, which, back then anyway, was pretty hot stuff.) It goes right along with the replication crisis, which was brought on in part by out-of-whack institutional pressures. (Appalling that social scientists of all people wouldn't spot an incentive-alignment problem, but there you go.)
So his "provocations" strike me as pretty weak tea. (I've read a little of his buddies work -- over at Quillette -- and it's very axe-grindy. Jonathan Haidt is more interesting than these jokers.) Why on earth would anyone be so threatened by them? Or were they? Or do we care?
Not you! Game of Thrones got the idea from Simpsons.
I don't think "Release the hounds" came from the Simpsons. It was a familiar phrase to me when I first heard it. The video clip makes me happy I never watched "Game of Thrones."
Reply to Shawn I read Heart of Darkness a few years ago. I should probably read it again. I tried a one or two of his other novels and didn't get very far with them. He's highly regarded.
The conduct of Belgian King Leopold's colonial project in the Congo was appalling, even by contemporary standards of colonialism. Extremely harsh and dehumanizing.
180 ProofSeptember 15, 2021 at 04:13#5948720 likes
Reply to T Clark The Simpsons were probably not the ur-source of the "release the hounds" command, but the show certainly established it as part of its comic shtick. The show has been running for 30 years (!). Did the phrase seem familiar to you back then when you heard Mr. Burns say it?
Actually, it is quite possible to find early uses of popular expressions that seem to have been invented later. What? Hounds never needed to be released until 1989? Unlikely.
Reply to Bitter Crank
Per Mr Wikipedia, the original "dogs of war" weren't animals. It was a mechanism used for holding things back. So "letting slip the dogs of war" meant releasing social machinery that keeps violence in check.
"The clouds, according to the testimony of those who have walked through them in the mountains, have this vaporous appearance, formed, as they are, of the most minute drops which are gathered and rolled together. And if further condensation takes place, so that one large drop is formed out of many small ones, the air, unable to support it, yields to its weight as it travels, down, and this is the explanation of rain."
-- Augustine in [I]The Literal Meaning of Genesis[/I]
Per Mr Wikipedia, the original "dogs of war" weren't animals.
My dogs ripped the clothes off the pet sitter. She came to just feed some happy dogs, but ended up naked and afraid and locked in a room. After her boss came and set her loose, she said she was done with that job. I called my son and asked if he'd do it and he said he would, but he instead talked his girlfriend into coming over and doing it for him. The dogs knew her better, so they just jumped on her and pissed her off, but they left her dressed.
My dogs are the original dogs of war. All else are substitutes.
Reply to frank ALWAYS interested in this sort of etymological information. I'll just dog this topic to death.
Literally, "a domesticated carnivorous mammal that typically has a long snout, an acute sense of smell, nonretractable claws, and a barking, howling, or whining voice."
noun: dog; plural noun: dogs
1.
a domesticated carnivorous mammal that typically has a long snout, an acute sense of smell, nonretractable claws, and a barking, howling, or whining voice.
Similar:
canine
hound
mongrel
cur
tyke
bitch
pup
puppy
whelp
doggy
pooch
mutt
pupper
doggo
man's best friend
Rover
Fido
mong
bitzer
a wild animal of the dog family.
the male of an animal of the dog family, or of some other mammals such as the otter.
"a dog fox"
2.
DEROGATORY
an unpleasant, contemptible, or wicked man.
"come out, Michael, you dog!"
DATED
used to refer to a person of a specified kind in a tone of playful reproof, commiseration, or congratulation.
"you lucky dog!"
used in various phrases to refer to someone who is abject or miserable, especially because they have been treated harshly.
"I make him work like a dog"
Additional reference:
[Verse 1: John Lennon]
It's been a hard day's night
And I've been working like a dog
OFFENSIVE
a woman regarded as unattractive.
DEROGATORY
a thing of poor quality; a failure.
"a dog of a movie"
3. a mechanical device for gripping.
4.
INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
feet.
"if only I could sit down and rest my tired dogs"
5.
short for firedog.
verb
verb: dog; 3rd person present: dogs; past tense: dogged; past participle: dogged; gerund or present participle: dogging
1.
follow (someone or their movements) closely and persistently.
"photographers seemed to dog her every step"
Similar:
pursue
follow
stalk
track
trail
shadow
hound
plague -- "dogged by Covid"
beset
bedevil
assail
beleaguer
blight
trouble
torment
haunt
tail
(of a problem) cause continual trouble for.
"their finance committee has been dogged by controversy"
2.
INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
act lazily; fail to try one's hardest.
"Eric had a reputation for dogging it a little"
3.
grip (something) with a mechanical device.
"she has dogged the door shut"
And then, there are "the dog days of summer"...
Dogs aren’t the only creatures uncomfortable in oppressive heat, so why does a dog get singled out in dog days? The dog here is actually the Dog Star, which is also called Sirius. The star has long been associated with sultry weather in the northern hemisphere because it rises simultaneously with the sun during the hottest days of summer. In the ancient Greek constellation system, this star (called Seirios in Greek) was considered the hound of the hunter Orion and was given the epithet Kyon, meaning "dog." The Greek writer Plutarch referred to the hot days of summer as h?merai kynades (literally, "dog days"), and a Latin translation of this expression as dies caniculares is the source of our English phrase.
How, where... did you come across this interesting Augustinian tidbit? May we assume you were not reading St. Augustine's book?
I was staring at a cloud and started wondering how people figured out that they're made of water. Turns out some people probably understood the relationship between clouds and rain as far back as 1000 BC., but others believed they were solid. The idea of angels sitting on clouds goes back to folklore that the gods of Olympus walked around on clouds. (Both angels and Olympian gods were believed to be solid matter, not the type of thing that floats.)
Reply to frank The naive mind could/would think they were solid. It is impossible (or really difficult) for us to see the world with past naïveté. The sun still seems to orbit the earth, after all. Picturing the cosmos as it is (vastly empty, a handful of distant planets orbiting a star, a star one of billions in a revolving galaxy, our galaxy one of innumerable many. etc.) just doesn't come naturally.
The insight that clouds are not solid, arrived at 1000 BC and later, is astonishing, The same for the idea that the earth is a globe -- also an ancient insight, and somehow calculating its circumference close to the actual number was amazing.
PhilofileSeptember 15, 2021 at 21:49#5953850 likes
The Earth floats in space. With at least, and for me the only angel on it.
ValentinusSeptember 15, 2021 at 21:53#5953910 likes
Reply to Bitter Crank
In the spirit of exhaustive accounts, one should add Deborah Harry's distinction:
"I am your dog but not your pet."
PhilofileSeptember 15, 2021 at 22:42#5954490 likes
The same for the idea that the earth is a globe -- also an ancient insight, and somehow calculating its circumference close to the actual number was amazing.
I agree. Do you think people are getting smarter due to the internet and video games? Or are we just the same as ever?
PhilofileSeptember 15, 2021 at 23:11#5954650 likes
The insight that clouds are not solid, arrived at 1000 BC and later, is astonishing, The same for the idea that the earth is a globe -- also an ancient insight, and somehow calculating its circumference close to the actual number was amazing.
Seems like the fact that clouds might not be solid could be clear to anyone who lived in the mountains or who was familiar with fog. As for the curvature of the earth, if you travel on the ocean, things in the distance are not visible because they're below the horizon. As you get closer, they rise above the horizon.
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 15, 2021 at 23:49#5954930 likes
If anyone needs to talk to someone or to just "be" but not alone? Remember that my direct message mailbox is always open. :flower:
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 15, 2021 at 23:50#5954940 likes
:cry: @180 Proof
I hope Katilyn Jenner stays around and runs for office. :100:
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 15, 2021 at 23:58#5954970 likes
Cannabis as a performance enhancing drug...
It is ironic that the athletes are being charged with using a "performance enhancing drug" which will be argued that there is no way cannabis would "help" or enhance an athletes performance.
While that may be the best approach to getting the charge dismissed or changing it for the future games, it is ironic as fuck.
It will only take a couple of years for the games to understand that if Cannabis is used to treat the bodies system, as opposed to using it to treat a temporary symptom like depression from the loss of a loved one.
Microdosing RSO is the way to treat the body as we know it today but it is very much evolving and fluid in it's research.
Exciting for those who are following the science :eyes:
[i]I've looked at clouds from both sides now
From up and down and still somehow
It's cloud illusions I recall
I really don't know clouds at all[/i]
Reply to T Clark Pythagoras was the first person to float the idea that the earth was a sphere. Empedocles and Anaxagoras added to Pythagoras, and then Eratosthenes finished it off.
Pythagoras reasoned that since the moon was round, it followed that the earth was round too. Anaxagoras and Empedocles observed that during an eclipse the shadow of the earth falling on the moon was round. (Noticing that the shadow is round isn't the achievement; it's identifying where the shadow came from (sun casting earth's shadow onto the moon during the eclipse). Aristotle noticed the gradual disappearance of ships as they sailed away from port.
Eratosthenes figured out what the circumference of the planet was. He had heard that in Syene, a city south of Alexandria, no vertical shadows were cast at noon on the summer solstice. The sun was directly overhead. He wondered if this were also true in Alexandria. It was not.
So, on June 21 he planted a stick directly in the ground in Alexandria and waited to see if a shadow would be cast at noon. It turns out there was one. And it measured about 7 degrees.
Eratosthenes, using nothing more than shadows and working alongside a team of bematists, (professional surveyors) in ancient Greece. His estimate of 250,000 stadia (28,738 miles or 46,250 kilometers) is close to Earth's actual circumference of 24,902 miles (40,075 kilometers) if measured at the equator.
Do you think people are getting smarter due to the internet and video games? Or are we just the same as ever?
Having lots of information available (literacy, libraries, leisure, internet, etc.) can make one seem pretty bright, even if one is closer to dull-normal. Do video games contribute useful information? Or are they treadmills of the mind (on which one gets better at treadmills)?
IQ tests show an upward trend, but I see no practical evidence that people are getting smarter. if anything, we see abundant evidence that 80% of our species are as fucking stupid as they ever were, and only we 20% already smart apes are getting smarter.
Anonymous' activities began with what the group calls "Operation Jane" after the Texas Heartbeat Act was signed into law this month. The restrictive abortion law allows private individuals, not necessarily government bodies or the police, to enforce the six-week abortion ban. According to the act, any Texas resident can bring a civil lawsuit against any person who performs or helps to facilitate an illegal abortion—and claim at least $10,000 in damages.
HermeticusSeptember 16, 2021 at 13:13#5958320 likes
Had this short little Sadhguru clip in my recommend today. Had a good laugh.
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 16, 2021 at 13:20#5958370 likes
Alright, I want someone to talk to who is actually going to be honest with me!
The institution of higher learning CONFIRMED for me, last year, that Algebra was the last math class that I would be required to take for my Social Work degree.
So what do you suppose showed up on my educational path? Economics. ECONOMICS!
Economics is MATH in disguise! :brow:
Srap TasmanerSeptember 16, 2021 at 13:55#5958520 likes
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff I'm confused by the first part. You took algebra in college? Algebra I? "Two trains leave Paris" algebra? You didn't take algebra in high school?
Or are we talking about linear algebra?
HeracloitusSeptember 16, 2021 at 14:36#5958640 likes
Reply to Hermeticus Osho not Sadhguru. Not that it matters; they both spout nonsense.
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 16, 2021 at 14:40#5958720 likes
Gus Lamarch you are being requested for connection.
If you are Gus, please let me know :flower:
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 16, 2021 at 14:43#5958740 likes
I'm confused by the first part. You took algebra in college? Algebra I? "Two trains leave Paris" algebra? You didn't take algebra in high school?
Or are we talking about linear algebra?
Yes, Linear Algebra in college and no to Algebra in high school. I mean, yes, technically I took Algebra in high school but my teacher was also the wrestling coach and I bake phenomenal cookies! :love:
Hmm... I wonder where the coach is these days :flower:
Sounds like economics will be easy peasy lemon squeezey.
It's sour, zesty and down right testy! :shade:
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 16, 2021 at 14:49#5958800 likes
It's seems my cookies don't convey over the internet :groan:
Srap TasmanerSeptember 16, 2021 at 14:49#5958820 likes
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff Well, good luck with economics. It is a fact that a lot of economics is, shall we say, conceptual, and doesn't actually involve pesky details like statistics and calculating things. People who bother with that have their own sub-field they call "quantitative economics". Who knows, you might not have to do much math at all, but you might regret not actually learning algebra in high school...
(And now I'm puzzled that you had to take linear algebra. I mean, for a social scientist, sure, but for social work? Are they using it as a sieve?)
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 16, 2021 at 14:56#5958850 likes
And now I'm puzzled that you had to take linear algebra. I mean, for a social scientist, sure, but for social work? Are they using it as a sieve?)
I'm not puzzled as they throw a lot of bs classes in when achieving your Associates Degree(s) I would guess because it is preparing you for any Bachelor's degree. So I graduated with dual Associates Degrees so I can graduate with two bachelor's degrees. Bachelor's degree in Social work and a Bachelor's degree in communication.
Btw since when does a curve (economic or not) not actually bend? Isn't that what defines a curve?
And God in Heaven help me if your answer contains anything about the Cartesian plane :monkey:
(And now I'm puzzled that you had to take linear algebra. I mean, for a social scientist, sure, but for social work? Are they using it as a sieve?)
For a social worker dealing with poor people who don't have much, she won't have much to add up, so she might not even need math at all. She might need to learn how to divide things up pretty good though.
Btw since when does a curve (economic or not) not actually bend? Isn't that what defines a curve?
A line has curvature of 0, I believe. Mathematicians sometimes call something like that the "degenerate" case -- the way in everyday life you might say that McDonald's is "technically food".
Not sure if I told you this, but I had a pet sitter come over, and there was an attack of some sort, blood all over the floorboards, but now the dog gave birth to half human half dog centaurs, so something freaky went down during the wrestling match. I thought the pet sitter was female, but now not so sure.
That doesn't make any sense Clark. How could there be a second opinion if there was no first opinion? Covid tests don't produce opinions.
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 16, 2021 at 19:40#5959800 likes
Oh how the new boss is just like the old boss ..
Turns out that Joe's idea of a "unanimous decision" is as solid as Trump's appeal to his own authority.
Where is @SapientiasLittleHelper when you need him? :rofl:
For a social worker dealing with poor people who don't have much, she won't have much to add up, so she might not even need math at all. She might need to learn how to divide things up pretty good though.
Where the hell is a moderator when you need one!
:joke:
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 16, 2021 at 19:44#5959840 likes
Long time ago, indeed. I heard Sorrels live at the Coffeehouse Extemp in Minneapolis, way back. I discovered her on a record I found at a remainders store, Pyramid Records. They had a folk section with a lot of cheap obscure Folkways albums, and like stuff. All long gone now.
It was stuff like "Folksongs of the Anthracite Coal Miners" or "Folksongs of Nebraska." This was "real folk music", sung by the folk, sometimes not so nice to hear. Her album had been recorded in the 60s (must have been) when she had a young, strong voice.
I honestly kind of feel sorry for this guy who keeps joining and getting banned; like 10 times now? It feels kind of cruel on our end now. Maybe ten trips to purgatory is enough to pull a delinquent from the jaws of hell?
I don't care to try to remember all his aliases, I just remember noticing that they were clearly him and that the tone of each alias was increasingly a little less annoying. He seemed like a troubled, lonely dude, so I'm just imagining being that way and then getting banned over and over. Try googling the word "empathy" and sit for a bit with it.
"The earliest use of the phrase is unknown, but in his autobiography, Mark Twain (1835–1910) observed that it was in general use even in his childhood.[3] Twain refers to an episode from 1847, when he was working as a printer's apprentice; Roger Smith (1994) tells the tale thus:
" [Twain] recounts a practical joke a friend played on a revival preacher when Twain was an apprentice in a printing shop that Alexander Campbell, a famous evangelist then visiting Hannibal, hired to print a pamphlet of his sermon. While checking the galleys, Twain's fellow apprentice, Wales McCormick, found he had to make room for some dropped words, which he managed by shortening Jesus Christ on the same line to J. C. As soon as Campbell had read the proofs, he swept indignantly into the shop and commanded McCormick, "So long as you live, don't you ever diminish the Savior's name again. Put it all in." The puckish McCormick obeyed, and then some: he set Jesus H. Christ and printed up all the pamphlets.[4][5]
"Smith suggests (1994:331-2) that "Jesus H. Christ" is a specifically American profanity, and indicates that at least in his experience it is uttered primarily by men. Quinion (2009), a British author, likewise specifies the phrase as belonging to American English.
Stress pattern
"Multiple authors emphasize the practice of placing a strong stress on the "H", relating it in various ways to expletive infixation. Thus Quinion writes:
" Its long survival must have a lot to do with its cadence, and the way that an especially strong stress can be placed on the H. You might also think of it as an example of emphatic infixing that loosely fits the models of words like abso-bloody-lutely or tribu-bloody-lation.[6]
"Similar remarks were made by the linguist Dwight Bolinger, who mentions "Jesus H. Christ" in a discussion of the strategies used by English speakers to add additional stresses to "highly charged words" for purposes of emphasis.[7] Horberry suggests "The strong emphasis on the H somehow improves the rhythm of its host phrase."[8] The Green's Dictionary of Slang says "the H is redundant other than for rhythm".[9]
The Green's Dictionary of Slang says "the H is redundant other than for rhythm".
To me, the amusing thing about the "H" is that it implies there might be more than one Jesus Christ. That if I'm not specific enough, you might be confused.
ThunderballsSeptember 17, 2021 at 19:32#5965300 likes
Reply to frank And which holy name has been shortened to 'H'?
Jesus Hawkeye Christ
Jesus Homer Christ
Jesus Hotspur Christ
Jesus Heathcliff Christ
Jesus Hopalong Christ
Jesus Hovannes Christ
Jesus Hitoshi Christ
Jesus Halvor Christ
Jesus Hardon Christ
or
Jesus Himmelfarb Christ
Reply to Thunderballs There isn't any difference. "Crist" is Old English Christ. Crist was pronounced either as "creest", the continental long 'i' sound, or Christ in Christmas, with a modern English short [i]'i'[/I] . ("Modern" as of several hundred years ago.)
Reply to Thunderballs We have been using the long-i pronunciation for hundred of years. Why? Because languages change, and English went through a big change around 1300 - 1400, when there was a major vowel shift. Why was there a vowel shift? I don't know, but there was.
Why don't we say Jesus Christmas? Because 'Christ - mas' means "mass for Christ" -- the mass offered on December 25, traditional (not literal) birthdate of Jesus.
Jesus wasn't called Jesus, either. His name in Hebrew is 'Yeshua"; the English version of Yeshua is Joshua. So, Mary and Joseph told Joshua to eat his vegetables before he could have dessert.
Where did "Jesus" come From?
Jesus is the Greek pronunciation of Joshua, or Iesous -- yay soos. (ie in Greek = y, later j)
What does Greek have to do with all this? Greek is the language in which we received the Gospels. Actually, the most complete ancient version of the OT is also in Greek. You can thank Alexander the Great et al for that.
Where did the word "mass" come from?
"eucharistic service," Middle English messe, masse, from Old English mæsse, from Vulgar Latin *messa "eucharistic service," literally "dismissal," from Late Latin missa "dismissal," fem. past participle of mittere "to let go, send" (see mission).
Probably so called from the concluding words of the service, Ite, missa est, "Go, (the prayer) has been sent," or "Go, it is the dismissal." The Latin word sometimes was glossed in Old English as sendnes "send-ness." Meaning "musical setting of certain parts of the Catholic (or Anglican) liturgy" is by 1590s.
Bored to tears yet?
Do you know the difference between "immaculate conception" and "virgin birth"? I'm not Catholic, but I did see the play, "Sister Mary Ignatius Explains It All for You" around 40 years ago.
ThunderballsSeptember 17, 2021 at 21:54#5966150 likes
No. Tears of joy! I didn't know Greek was "the original". Then again, the whole "concept" of ine super god comes from Xenophanes, though all cultures have a form of god(s). Like the native Americans.
ThunderballsSeptember 17, 2021 at 21:56#5966160 likes
That would be Feliz Navidad! :love:
How do you pronounce Jesus speaking English as opposed to pronouncing Jesus in Spanish?
One is Geezus and the other is Heysuss....
Anyone?
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 17, 2021 at 22:10#5966280 likes
@Bitter Crank
You missed Jesus Hanover Christ :rofl:
ThunderballsSeptember 17, 2021 at 22:18#5966320 likes
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff It's "Hay sous" because of the way the romance (Roman) languages (including Spanish) treat vowels. English dropped the romantic vowel pronunciation pattern in the 1400s during the Great Vowel Shift. English is a Germanic language, but thanks to William the Bastard Frenchman, French both spoiled and improved Anglo-Saxon. Starting in the 15th and 16th centuries, intellectual leaders (like Shakespeare and Bacon) coined many new words From Latin.
"Jesus" spelled with a hard "J" is a late development, 17th century. J was invented to distinguish a consonantal "ie" or "j" sound from the vowel "i" sound.
The original KJV of the Bible spelled Jesus "Iesus"; later Jesus.
Reply to frank God does not usually personally perform sperm donation, even though he would presumably have an infinite supply. The immaculate conception concerns the alleged purity of Mary's mother, Anne. Mary was born without sin because Anne was exempt from original sin, or some such deal. Don't know who negotiated it. Anne is not mentioned in the Gospels.
Mary became pregnant thanks to the good offices of the Angel Gabriel who, at least that one time, had a heavenly hard on. After Mary gave birth, she was still a virgin. Apparently Mary remained virginal even after she and Joseph had hatched out Jesus' siblings. Yes, Jesus had siblings. Talk about the sibling rivalry in that family!
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff No. No moderator should ever be mentioned in the same sentence as Jesus or God. Probably not even in the same book. Just not a good influence on any of them.
No moderator should ever be mentioned in the same sentence as Jesus or God. Probably not even in the same book. Just not a good influence on any of them
This sacred oath is recited upon annointment of all moderators:
“Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.”
Philippians 4:5
No moderator should ever be mentioned in the same sentence as Jesus or God. Probably not even in the same book. Just not a good influence on any of them.
Jesus was a quite moderate guy though. Could turn the water he walked into wine.
ThunderballsSeptember 18, 2021 at 17:34#5968930 likes
Matrix4 comes! One pill makes you larger and one oill makes you small. The ones that mother gave you...
Gee! The youtube vid "Matrix 4 is NOT WhatYouThink" has a voice-over that's too good to be true. The intonation is the same for every sentence! Neo has my hair. They called me even John Wick 2 on the streets...
ThunderballsSeptember 18, 2021 at 20:53#5969370 likes
It's Karl Johnson playing the part of Wittgenstein in the film of that name.
W. in despair at finding out what the gesture of contempt - flicking the V sign - meant.
The implications for his theory.
When asked what he was going to do for the rest of his life:
W: " Well, I'll start by committing suicide"
" Champagne before you go ?"
W: " I'd love a cuppa tea"....
From:
Wittgenstein (Derek Jarman) - Interview with Karl Johnson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiKQdABq91E
***
Apparently W also said:
'Philosophy is such a by-product of misunderstanding language'.
This head belonged to a larger than life-size statue of Aphrodite, a copy of a fourth-century BC original by Praxiteles. It may have served as an offering to the sanctuary of Aphrodite on the north slope of the Acropolis.The cross on the forehead was carved by a Christian, who damaged the eyes in an effort to “blind” the goddess. Crosses were also sometimes carved on ancient statues to Christianize them for reuse as images of saints.
ThunderballsSeptember 19, 2021 at 12:06#5973950 likes
Where, oh jay, have flown the days of the ancient gods, giving way to man's clinging to that new faceless Scientias? All hail to the western night!
We watched The Social Dilemma (2020) the other day, which may shed light on some of these things. Has an impressive cast, and some interesting insights, though some findings are a bit overplayed.
Cabbage FarmerSeptember 21, 2021 at 15:00#5983760 likes
What's up y'all?
I been out of circulation for a while. Anything good happening?
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 21, 2021 at 15:16#5983800 likes
Mom's Advice for the young and curious:
Never do anything to yourself or another that you would be embarrassed to explain to an Emergency room Doctor :joke:
She's right in that the records of your "activity" that brought you to the ER will be kept for years. :gasp:
Oh but the entertainment factor will be wild! :cool:
"High-frequency gravitational wave sources in the more recent past could include hypothetical objects such as boson stars and primordial black holes. These waves could even be produced by clouds of dark matter. So astronomers would be deeply interested in detecting these signals."
What about primordial black holes constituting dark matter? They have all the qualifications. Point-like (well, almost) and interacting by gravity only. Any thoughts on this?
HeracloitusSeptember 21, 2021 at 19:21#5984690 likes
Reply to Rstotalloss, don't know, don't know the details well enough, just that black holes seem more localized than effects attributed to dark matter. Interesting enough, though. Perhaps some of the astronomers will come up with something. (y)
C'est les vendanges! Grape harvesting season here in France.
My brother and I visited France and Germany in 2014. I especially remember the drive along the Mosel/Moselle. Vineyards on the hillsides on impossibly steep slopes. Men and women on the slopes picking. Grapes brought down using moped/monorails. Wine in outdoor restaurants along the river. One of my fondest memories.
HeracloitusSeptember 22, 2021 at 08:44#5987160 likes
Reply to T Clark I'm a delivery driver for a supermarket chain in the Alps. Your description fits my daily landscapes well :smile:
Was thinking I might let the forum decide what I write about for post number 3000.
You know what would be cool? Make two more posts on anything you want, then never post again. Let future members wonder what happened. Then you can open another account under the name Sra Ptasmaner. I'm sure the moderators would let you do that for such a good member and such a good cause.
Post something in the Ongoing Tractatus Logic Philosophicus Reading Group thread.
OutlanderSeptember 22, 2021 at 19:55#5989680 likes
Remember, you cannot know let alone have perfection before or without imperfection. This is the other noble truth. The less popular one. I was about to post a discussion on this premise but decided not to.
Only three posts to go until I hit 3000. Was thinking I might let the forum decide what I write about for post number 3000. (I'm fun, dammit!)
You could write about how 3,000 is 1,8A0 in duodecimal, that duodecimal is objectively superior to decimal, that 1,8A0 isn't a significant number, and so that one's 3,000th post isn't worth celebrating.
Dark energy can just be inherent negative curvature, without particles, gravitons with negative energy, to cause this. DE is different though from DM. The latter can consist out of primordial black holes. No exotic particles required.
When one goes to Las Vegas, one's size is doubled.
The towers are the same size.
I have this vision of you running around Paris and Las Vegas with your penis out comparing it to the Eiffel Tower.
ValentinusSeptember 23, 2021 at 23:33#5996090 likes
Reply to T Clark
I was planning on just using my shoulder height.
I have tried measuring things the other way but ran into spots of bother.
Not everyone understands an inquiring nature upon first contact.
Could you please help me out here?
I'm not sure if I am getting it :chin:
This is all Hanover's fault. I wrote that I'd gone to France and Germany in 2014. Hanover wrote that they have an Eiffel Tower in Paris just like the one in Las Vegas. I wrote that the one in Paris is twice as tall as the one in Vegas. Valentinus indicated that the towers were the same size, but that people grow bigger in Vegas. I asked what part of the body he was using to check. That's how we got here.
unenlightenedSeptember 24, 2021 at 17:00#5999280 likes
I asked what part of the body he was using to check. That's how we got here.
So I'm to understand that you're insinuating that men use their penis as a measuring stick and climb along side the Eiffel tower and use that measurement to determine the size of the Eiffel tower, obviously adjusting for variations in arousal along the way?
That just seems so cumbersome and inaccurate. Why wouldn't we use something that at least maintained its length, like gonad size?
So I'm to understand that you're insinuating that men use their penis as a measuring stick and climb along side the Eiffel tower and use that measurement to determine the size of the Eiffel tower
Yep, I think he means "Keep away from me". It might be a good idea, especially if he is running around with his dongle out. :wink:
ValentinusSeptember 25, 2021 at 01:02#6000780 likes
Reply to Sir2u
My original contribution to the problem of vertical measurement has devolved into a horizontal dimension. Perhaps that is an edifying lesson on the problem of civilization per se.
So, yeah baby, this is hard site to post, too many rules too many formalities. But I'm a lover of philosophy. The last refuge to people like me. I hate the love haters, just as you do. I been doing philosophy. By not doing it. It's a waste of time and life. If you hear me just say ho. I'm drunk and I know there's a lot like me. and meh to those who disagree with me. I know there's a lot who agree with me. Or I wish. Just jerk off.
OutlanderSeptember 25, 2021 at 13:05#6002590 likes
Yeah!!
lol. what be goin on, @everyone ?
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 25, 2021 at 13:18#6002640 likes
@Sapien1
Welcome back :flower:
It sounds life has been challenging. We are here for you if you want to share.
We might be a refuge but not your last.
Remember to try not drink, ponder and then debate. Rather stay here or in the lounge while buzzed, as you know these two places are safer than the main forum discussion pages. :up:
Yes. I imagine its deletion was because I didn't state any particular position, provide arguments, nor ask some kind of question to spark discussion.
If its ok with the mods I'll start a new discussion in The Lounge with a stated intention for it to be a place to drop inspiring and or practical life advices.
I imagine its deletion was because I didn't state any particular position, provide arguments, nor ask some kind of question to spark discussion.
Threads with a lot less going on in the OP have been left in place. It doesn't make sense. What about my deep and insightful words of wisdom? Lost to posterity.
My original contribution to the problem of vertical measurement has devolved into a horizontal dimension.
Would that not just be something that is relative to the base of the objects position or even the age of the object? Older things do tend to be more horizontal than vertical.
ChangelingSeptember 25, 2021 at 23:06#6004980 likes
The most mysterious portrait here, from the Metropolitan Museum, is all nuanced contradiction. It shows a man exquisitely dressed in black, with lilac, pale green and rose ribbons at his waist, yet no delicacy in his face.
The execution – of lace, hair, the thumb holding the broad-brimmed hat – is spectacularly refined, almost abstract. Yet the man holds menace. Whatever he has seen – and surely he is a spy or enforcer – it is a brutal kind of knowledge. The face is sombre, and the measure of light in the eyes so reduced that they appear both sighted and yet oblivious to anybody else – a dead-ended gaze. Look for this light too closely and you will see nothing: which might be a lesson. Too much attention to Hals’s style distracts from the profundity of his art; the two are never separate.
Gotta be mysterious, or otherwise undiscoverable because they can't allow you to forget about it, and you can't forget about things that you don't understand. Positive and negative effect towards you is life and death, attention and forgetting about you is life and death.
ArguingWAristotleTiffSeptember 27, 2021 at 17:30#6011970 likes
I just wanted to see if anyone is interested in listening to a Doc I have uncovered from the Dr Phil show who has a whole different take on mental health. His feeling is too many Drs go to the emotional thinking, almost dismissing the physical health of the brain, injuries and ways to help grow back some of the nuero connections.
I'm not throwing shade when I say that this Doc, Dr. Amen, has a different approach to addiction then the AA or 12 step program that I have been reading about.
Private message me if you are interested. :flower:
I had something similar a couple of months ago. Apparently there’s a condition colloquially known as Popeye’s elbow. Something to do with minor damage to the bursa and fluid buildup. It went away in a couple of days, followed by bruising. Never hurt but freaky as hell.
Speaking of doctors, can someone diagnose this lump on my arm.
No idea but could be this ? Distal bicep tendonitis ?
Probably best get it checked out but it looks more like an inflammation or swelling than a lump, as such..
Biceps tendon tear or rupture often happens without any warning. [u]It typically occurs when lifting heavy objects such as furniture. The object slips, and while you are trying to hold on, your elbow is forcefully straightened by the weight of the object.
Weightlifters are more likely to experience this injury when doing “negatives,” which is done while holding a weight and extending the arm at the elbow.[/u]
Bicep tendonitis is a problem that can happen with any tendon. This term implies that there is inflammation around the tendon. In most cases, this is due to some use of the tendon that causes it to become inflamed. In the case of the biceps tendon, the use that causes the problem can be almost any lifting activity. This is particularly true of repeated lifting activities.
Signs and Symptoms
A biceps tendon rupture usually occurs when the tendon tears away from the forearm bones (see Figure 2). This may be felt as a “pop” or tearing sensation in the front of the elbow and can be painful. Often, but not always, people feel:
Continued pain
Swelling
Bruising
Warmth in the elbow
Edit to add:
A sports physiotherapist should be able to diagnose and treat.
The bicep muscle runs from the shoulder to the elbow on the front of the upper arm and is responsible for bending your elbow. The muscle attaches to the bone at two points, one at the shoulder and one right below the elbow on the radius bone in the forearm. When there is a tear in that second tendon, it is referred to as a distal bicep tendon tear. This injury is most common in men who lift too much weight too suddenly. Depending on the severity of the tear and the age of the patient, it can be treated surgically or non-surgically. Either way, the injured arm will have to be immobilized for some time. Because the muscle will atrophy, regaining muscle strength can take several months. Your doctor or physical therapist will guide you through exercises and stretches that are appropriate for your degree of tendon injury and course of treatment.
I had something similar a couple of months ago. Apparently there’s a condition colloquially known as Popeye’s elbow. Something to do with minor damage to the bursa and fluid buildup. It went away in a couple of days, followed by bruising. Never hurt but freaky as hell.
That's happened to me a couple of times. The first time, I was freaked out.
I think I read at the time that it can be caused by pressure on the elbow, like when you're sitting with your elbows on a desk like I always am.
had something similar a couple of months ago. Apparently there’s a condition colloquially known as Popeye’s elbow. Something to do with minor damage to the bursa and fluid buildup. It went away in a couple of days, followed by bruising. Never hurt but freaky as hell.
We see that occasionally in the emergency room. Without steroids it progresses to a squinty eye, a corn cob pipe, and a sailor's hat.
We see that occasionally in the emergency room. Without steroids it progresses to a squinty eye, a corn cob pipe, and a sailor's hat.
:lol:
Popeye: I'm strong to the finish cos I eats me spinach...
Olive Oyl: Here I come...
Popeye | Strong to the Finish | Boomerang Official
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FNXh1tTJ7c
Olive was there - long before Popeye.
Olive Oyl is a cartoon character created by E. C. Segar in 1919 for his comic strip Thimble Theatre. The strip was later renamed Popeye after the sailor character that became the most popular member of the cast; however, Olive Oyl was a main character for 10 years before Popeye's 1929 appearance.
This is an example of Popeye's elbow. It's on the bottom on the elbow and mine's on the side.
Exactly.
And it isn't a result of exercise. Just the opposite.
If your gym is any good at all, the trainers should spot what you got.
Weight training can cause swelling of the arm, not the kind of bulge you were aiming for !
Unless there are other S&S, or if the swelling persists, there's no cause for concern, apparently...
IF you are sensible, you will rest it and not put your arm under any more strain.
And try Pilates instead :cool:
Just to be clear, you're saying lance it and see what's in it?
If you'll put it in the microwave for five minutes at high power, I think that'll take care of it. You'll have to put tape over the latch since you'll have to keep the door open.
I think I read at the time that it can be caused by pressure on the elbow, like when you're sitting with your elbows on a desk like I always am.
Yeah, it happened to me after unusual circumstances where I had been putting prolonged pressure on my elbows. Didn’t notice it until my elbow brushed against something.
@Hanover, I’d recommend using free weights at the gym, if you’re not. More natural than machines or other gizmos and you’ll be less prone to injury. Plus you can build mussel quicker so those Olive Oyl arms will be looking more manly in no time.
Well, I hadn't heard of either. We live and learn, huh.
Just for Popeye, who is who he is:
Treatment is about easing your discomfort and taking steps to prevent or cure infection.
If your elbow bursa is not infected, take the following steps:
Protect your elbow. This could mean wearing elbow pads or a wrap to cushion it.Avoid activities that put direct pressure on your affected elbow.Take pain medicine such as ibuprofen or other anti-inflammatories to reduce the swelling and the pain. Follow your doctor’s directions and read the medicine label carefully.
If you'll put it in the microwave for five minutes at high power, I think that'll take care of it. You'll have to put tape over the latch since you'll have to keep the door open.
I forgot to mention - since you're leaving the door to the microwave open, you'll have to wrap the rest of your body in aluminum foil. Move your goats at least 20 feet from the house.
Went for a surf and at the last minute switched to a warmer wetsuit because I remembered the water had been unusually cold the day before. It slipped my mind to get the waterproof spare key out of the springsuit. Returning to the car later I realized that I had locked myself out. So I bummed a cell phone and called my wife (the only phone number that I could recall) to bring another spare key. She didn’t get the message for a couple of hours so I was left waiting around in a fullsuit trying hard to not look like an idiot. Had to be in a spot where I could flag her down whenever she got there, and that was a grass covered area near the road. Sat and layed in few positions but most put pressure on the elbows, some direct pressure.
Fortunately I don’t plan on ever doing that again.
, I’d recommend using free weights at the gym, if you’re not. More natural than machines or other gizmos and you’ll be less prone to injury. Plus you can build mussel quicker so those Olive Oyl arms will be looking more manly in no time.
See, I thought the opposite. The dumbbells require more strength and control, but the machines make you keep things aligned. In any event, I use both, so I can get the problems from both.
I did a lot of cardio for a long time and then my knee started hurting, so I started lifting weights and I think I pushed things too quickly. Then I noticed that bump on my arm and I started thinking I'd go back to more cardio.
It might have to do with my age. Nah, can't be it.
'But how does Pilates compare to strength training? Does it count as resistance training or cardio? While both Pilates and weight lifting may benefit your health, they have entirely different goals and require different movement patterns.
Let's take a closer look at Pilates versus strength training and how to choose the best approach for your needs...
If, say, you have back pain or bad knees and can't do squats and deadlifts, you could consider practising Pilates instead. However, there are strength training exercises like the Kettlebell swing and Reverse hyper that can assist. So do what you can with free weights and strengthen your core and back muscles with Pilates.
Sports injuries and repetitive strain injuries, like tennis elbow or tendonitis, can interfere with your workouts.
For example, if you have tennis elbow, you may not lift weights for a couple of weeks. Push-ups, dips, and other bodyweight exercises will be off-limits too. But you can still train your legs, do cardio, and practise Pilates to maintain your conditioning.'
'The biggest difference in benefits of Pilates for men as compared with women lies in the tendency for men to train in a way that overemphasizes certain muscle groups in their workouts and neglects other muscle groups.
According to Matt McCulloch, Pilates educator and co-founder of Kinected and the Functional Anatomy for Movement and Injuries (FAMI) workshop, Pilates can help men learn to find balance in their workouts.
“Men tend to overtrain certain joints, regions, and muscles such as the rectus abdominis ‘six-pack muscle,’ the biceps and triceps, and the quads. Due to this overtraining and resultant muscular imbalance, men tend to incur certain frequent injuries.”
McCulloch says men often get stuck in the training routines they learned in high school and focus only on building bigger muscles rather than on bringing the body into balance and alignment by training the intrinsic muscles too.
“Pilates, as a system, remedies faulty patterns by balancing the body’s strength and flexibility and optimizing its efficiency,” he says. “When the body is symmetrically aligned and muscles function efficiently, injuries tend to occur less frequently.”
Reply to Bitter Crank A single speed bike, like most bikes, has a freewheel, so you can stop pedalling and coast. A fixed gear bike's back cog is fixed to the wheel and turns with it, no matter which way it's turning. When the back wheel turns, so do the cog, chain, and pedals, so you have to pedal all the time when you're moving. It's more fun than it sounds.
But I'm sure that unlike a fixed gear bike, you can just stop pedalling on your spin bike when you're going 30km/h. On a fixed gear, that's going to end very badly.
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You got me.
Ahem...
What about the Sears catalog gentlemen?
Tonnerre de Brest!
Me too! The comics were awesome. I remember one birthday my parents gave me as a present a good special pack of Tintin... Milú dog! Good times.
Amazing. One of my weird covid-19 obsessions was completing my collection. I now own all 24 in the large single-story version (not all the same edition though, I'm not that anal).
:lol: :100:
Electromagnetism is a property of spacetime itself, study finds (Jul 23, 2021)
*Pig looks knowingly*
Maybe I'm in the mood for some pork tenderloin instead. :chin:
As long as its a kosher pig.
As you'll remember, I was looking at the toys while Hanover was looking at women in lingerie. I got nothing to hide.
I wasn't just looking. Had sex with every one of them. Most prolific kid ever.
So, what, you poked holes in all the pages?
:rofl: Thank you for the suggestion as I had no idea how to interpret that.
Go forth and propagate didn't fit somehow. :razz:
Paper cuts. :grimace:
Small price to pay.
Not so much holes as massive craters.
Like one gets when soldering the first time and getting a bit of the molten metal flung onto your skin, crater.
:grimace:
I see @Sheps every year or so on FB so I know he is doing well. I also see @Incision once a year around Halloween. @hyena in petticoat I get to converse with daily as well as @Landlady on FB. Both ladies are doing well in business and family.
In fact @hyena in petticoat could easily be a clothes model and her offspring are very talented in arts but they are growing up fast.
@xzJoel I haven't seen in probably 3 years?
And @MarinerI haven't seen in a while either.
And while I am at it...
I thought you were going to make grits for this potluck :joke:
I especially liked the ending when you shot your dickwad. Awesome, man. You are what it takes to puke my heart out.
Don't lie. You never tasted grapes. You are mixing it up with shit.
*Pig grows jubilant, and then proceeds to forage*
*pig then finds some corn and enjoys it*
*Pig shares some corn with bird and listens*
Dark winds blow
Jesus up above and
Jesus down below
Was your DMT plant derived and for your purposes, an entheogen.
noun: entheogen
a chemical substance, typically of plant origin, that is ingested to produce a nonordinary state of consciousness for religious or spiritual purposes.
1970s: from Greek, literally ‘becoming divine within’; coined by an informal committee studying the inebriants of shamans.
I use beer to become divine within -- Stella Artois, preferably. Or a good draft, pilsner or lager. Gin works too. Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker.
Birds don't smoke, silly. They do drink, though.
Woo hoo :party:
Well done :up:
"With a suit cut sharp as a razor and a heart made of gold"
B.B. King & God
Riding with the King
Congratulations and take stock of that feeling!
Maybe not important, but interesting. I've always liked waxed paper more than plastic wrap, but I just end up with a bunch of crumpled paper and food. Information like this is just the thing the Shoutbox, and the internet as a whole, was developed for.
Ha! This track is great. It's a real trip to see Clapton chauffeuring King.
Why would you ever unwrap something as beautiful as that? Just eat it, paper and all.
I tried it this morning and it works quite well. The next step is getting a cerated knife sharp enough to cut through the paper and the sandwich so that the sandwich remains in tact while I eat it.
*Pig grows jubilant and eats some bread mixed with beer and sweet corn*
That was so cute! :heart: :ok:
Would the output be as well wrapped? :rofl:
Quoting Noble Dust
:chin: That sounds good if you are eating with dirty hands while working. I usually use paper towel if I take sandwich to work. :up:
Well, my goal is to craft a sandwich on par with what you get at a sandwich shop. They're always wrapped and cut in a way that makes them very ergonomic and less messy.
A while back I requested a feature (that perhaps couldn't be done with the current software) of something kind of a linear view of major arguments/popular beliefs of a certain question.
So let's say in that thread someone can vote a 'Vote as key argument' vote for a particular post or excerpt from a post. With perhaps two or three it would be instantly available for viewing in 'Linear form' along with other upvoted, RELEVANT arguments/answers again depending on the thread type.
People could choose to either reply standardly or "rebuttal" against key argument that would then either be upvoted (I really hate that word but that's what it is) or perhaps could graduate to the same class and be another key argument. Essentially when we end up with a 30 page discussion that literally just barely isn't off-topic, people could instantly use this 'linear view' to get back on track and enter the discussion whether or not they were involved from the beginning or yes many pages in. Essentially the pre-existing "chosen answer" feature just on steroids. This is not a feature nor is it possible so i suppose I'm just typing to make sure I haven't forgotten how to.
But! If members like a certain popular topic perhaps it could spawn a poll of the "major consensus" options and yeah that'd be something new and exciting.
Not yet. I live nearby, but the hour line is lame; I assumed a Lucali slice shop would mean quick in and out service. If it's just going to turn into another iteration of the hype beast shit then I can't really be bothered. I'll go eventually. Also, I don't love a square slice, but I know he does, so I get it. What about you?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/11/i-dont-intend-to-let-my-son-down-twice-the-bereaved-father-trying-to-end-suicide
Thank you for sharing such important news and issue. It broke my heart when I read he gained an appointment at Cambridge and he was a gifted pianist. Sometimes I give up on society when this kind of young people die and other toxic people live a lot and even have success.
I think society did not understand this boy at all causing the end of his life. But the worst part here is his parents. I feel so sad about them. They are going to live a torture the rest of their lives. The dad is so humble and brave for creating a foundation to prevent more suicides. What a wonderful man. The father deserves all the respect of this world.
Yes. Sometimes we don't care about all kinds of issues until they hit home.
Or perhaps we care too much but don't want to dwell on the negative aspects of life.
Increasing awareness and knowledge is of prime importance - as we've already discussed.
Just wanted to place this somewhere without needing to start a thread.
It's amazing how people cope with life and everything...
Why we need distractions, I guess.
Don't Quit !! :pray:
30+ years ago I was trained for Teen Lifeline which is a warm line for teens to be able to reach out to and connect with another teen to talk to and how if it escalated, we were to bring on the call qualified therapists and they would proceed with the caller.
I cannot tell you how many callers were just lonely and needing to talk, vent or as Mayor says "rant". So much so that I try to carry that "nugget" of wisdom with me always and try to take the time to listen or sometimes just "be" with them.
Thank you so much for the effort you do with your abilities and wisdom to help others in their suffering :up: :100:
I think it is key to have a good dialogue in life not only to prevent suicide situations but to develop better relationships and cooperation. The world right now seems to be so dangerous and conflictive. Probably, this issue emerges due to the lack of listening which are the problems we have to face.
Thanks for sharing.
'Loneliness' is an issue that deserves more attention in all age groups. We are complex beings indeed.
https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/tips-for-everyday-living/loneliness/about-loneliness/
Quoting javi2541997
Indeed. The question is how to have 'a good dialogue' and with whom. Who can best assess and help us solve any difficult problems, even if we don't recognise them in ourselves...
Quoting javi2541997
Yes, and sometimes the way we deal with this isn't helpful.
Many times, we are not listened to by governments...far less our own families. Divided opinions about voting, about the politicisation of mask-wearing. People become anxious, depressed and with covid restrictions or social anxiety are unable to go out and mix.
It all takes its toll. It's good to be able to come here and talk. Some people are better at reading, listening and sharing than others. That might be seen as a secondary issue to philosophy discussions but as
@ArguingWAristotleTiff rightly says: there's a community here and we all have vulnerabilities.
The Shoutbox is useful in many ways just to...well...shout. It was never really apparent to me the purpose of the thread...I thought it a long trail of nonsense. I guess I'm wrong...again !
The trouble is so many 'nuggets of wisdom' are lost in the longest thread ever. It covers so much we can't easily see.
We don't all want to start threads on important topics but stuff needs to be said.
I guess a 'Shout Out' here is the nearest thing we got...
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
' just "be" with them' - being here in whatever way we can or want to be.
Wonderful mix of fun and serious to lighten the load.
:sparkle: :flower: :sparkle:
Just saying, incase anyone replies to me - it's a physical thing.
Neck, shoulders blah-de-blah.
Will read with interest, though.
Especially that other 'secondary non-philosophy' thread. Short Stories :hearts:
Deleted picture of gift-wrapped turds.
Referring to the Tales of Arcadia series by chance?
What a birdbrain. Perhaps they were tired of his crap. Which was fine for him, the place was a pigsty anyway.
*Pig yells and yells*
No sir.
Do you like it when it's raining or only after when the water stops falling and the barn yard is muddy?
I like when it's falling and the desert comes alive with critters doing their happy dances. :flower:
Although I understand why, I would like.you to know that we will be here when you get back. :flower:
It rains and rains and rains here. Sometimes it comes in sideways with lightening and thunder with branches flying everywhere. I think a storm is coming up. It's getting dark. Reminds me of a movie:
*Pig looks up, and sees rain on its way*
*Pig becomes forracious*
*Begins to sing softly
*Pig gives off a sad wallow for Afghanistan*
These are all phrases my father used:
Now, my children also use those phrases. QED.
Yep, that's why they give you so many hand wipes in those places. and there is always someone nearby with ketchup on their shirt.
*Oink oink oink, unite!*
Not really surprised, it’s a kid’s show after all, but in one of the series’s seasons (Wizards) the tale of King Arthur is it’s theme. Arthur actually becomes the Green Knight. The series is based on Del Torro’s comics, and he produced or directed it.
Interesting. Sorry btw, I was at work when I saw your response, hence the curt reply. I'm a big Del Torro fan, so I may check it out. I guess all I meant was the creature design of the Green Knight reminded me of some of the creatures in Pan's Labyrinth, or Hellboy II in particular (which I felt had a larger quantity of interesting creatures).
No worries, I didn’t take offense. The series is comprised of three separate shows; Trollhunters, 3 Below, and Wizards. There’s a couple seasons of each show. Also, a movie was just released to act as it’s conclusion, maybe, called Titans of Arcadia. There all animated too BTW, and geared more towards kids, but I liked it regardless (as did my daughter). :grin:
Well, my father knew it and my children know it. More evidence for collective consciousness.
Talking to yourself again, Franklin?
*Pig looks at bird and then proceeds to forage*
There isn't a vaccine shortage where I live. There's a shortage of takers. It's beyond stupid.
In the jubilee year, all land is redistributed and all debt is canceled, rectifying societal disparate possession of wealth.
*Pig credits all debits*
That's one pink pig.
If dudes want to birth babes out of their penises, who am I to say no?
Every 7th 7 year period, or 49, but it's at the end of the 49th, so I think 50. It should be coming soon I'd think because for the life of me I can't remember the last. I'm 55, so maybe I was too young to remember.
You're older. Tell me what it was like last time.
Survival of the fittest?
A cat in a bag.
Sorry, Shawn.
*Pig looks at Bitter Crank and wonders*
Neither can a male GOAT. :razz:
I was checking a patient out of the office, chit chatting when I get an upper cut to the lung when my baby inside decided to stretch out.
The look on the patients face was OMG :scream:
"Are you okay?"
Yep! Just being a pregnant woman :rofl:
Got a soccer ball I can swallow? He's bored. :cool:
Wait, what? When did this happen?
Just wondering what he was up to...
https://cryptogazette.com/eric-mitchell-porat-scammer-or-crypto-bandit/?amp
You are an amazing wonderer!
That is....umm... quite the Eric Porat we suspected to be so many years ago. :eyes:
Bastard.
A tie, 1 maybe, 2 yes, 2 no. :)
:eyes:
I don't know about you but I hope to never get on Hanover's bad side. :sparkle:
So last night as I tried to fall asleep in a girlfriend's bed, listening to the sounds of the highway near by, thinking what made you think Eric Porat?
Was it a technical tickler that showed a 6 year look back? Do people who have impacted your life (positive or negative) come to mind organically?
Have you written a manifesto and avoiding all of humanity (but us) living in a shack back in the sticks of Georgia?
Curiously asking for a friend :yikes:
All of those pigs videos remind me about “txerrikumeak” which means “pig” in Basque. These cartoons are in Basque language if you see it in their region and public TV.
We had been reminiscing about former members, and I thought about him, our mischievous forefather. And by "mischievous," I mean "sociopathic."
There have been a handful of people who have stood out in my head as sociopaths, and with each one, a Google search has offered me a fun update of their current antics. They do not disappoint. On second thought, that's all they do.
So tell the rest of us who Eric Porat is.
TPF's predecessor was purchased by Porat and quickly ran it into the ground. His plan, I believe, was to purchase a number of specialty websites and package advertising plans to advertisers. It didn't work. Before the old philosophy site completely fell apart, this site started up, with the members migrating over here.
I remember when things started to fall apart, but I wasn't as involved as I am now. I didn't remember the name.
:cry: :cry:
I don't think there was ever any other way this was going to end.
There most certainly was another way to "end" (whatever that means).by making sure that all civilians were off the ground in friendly air space before the last troop leaves.
Leaving was never going to easy but we can and have done better. We are not supposed to leave anyone on the battlefield.
God's Speed to those who can get out and may Angels surround those who unwillingly remain.
Here's another you might like even more depressing:
There are 38 million people in Afghanistan. There are tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands who are endangered by the return of the Taliban. How many of them should we bring back to the US?
"And the costs are even greater in terms of lives lost. There have been 2,500 U.S. military deaths in Afghanistan, and nearly 4,000 more U.S. civilian contractors killed. That pales beside the estimated 69,000 Afghan military police, 47,000 civilians killed, plus 51,000 dead opposition fighters. The cost so far to care for 20,000 U.S. casualties has been $300 billion, with another half-trillion or so expected to come."
From https://www.forbes.com/sites/hanktucker/2021/08/16/the-war-in-afghanistan-cost-america-300-million-per-day-for-20-years-with-big-bills-yet-to-come/?sh=7b46949a7f8d
It's hard to blame Biden on that.
Or $10 million for each of 200,000 Taliban.
They would have a lot of friends if they had just given them the money instead making enemies buying guns with it.
Great writing, everyone! So long, The Philosophy Forum!
This one was amazing :up:
I don't think that you have aptly considered the expediency or efficacy of our nonviolent gradualist Anarchist deprogramming and educational initiative or my concerted rejection of psychological warfare. If anyone is to be convinced to participate within our political praxis, we no longer recommend the pacifist mind control that we previously engaged in. It does, however, short of talking everyone in the world into anarcho-pacifism require a limited exploration of experimental psychology and decisive utilization of white propaganda, all of which is to say that the relative cultishness of the movement that I have created and happen to be the sole participant within has been significantly diminished.
Besides, by comparison, my posts in recent history have been considerably less frenetic, more to the point, and of a higher degree of coherence.
If you mean to review my posting history by comparison to the cult phenomenon of low budget science fiction, however, then I guess that I can take that in stride.
Till next time!
Take care! :party:
Thank the lord you did not post any details. I doubt we could handle that. :lol:
[quote=Camille Paglia]The silence of the academic establishment about the corruption of Western universities by postmodernism and post-structuralism has been an absolute disgrace. First of all, the older generation of true scholars who still ruled the roost when I arrived at the Yale Graduate School in 1968 were not fighters, to begin with. American professors, unlike their British counterparts, had not been schooled in ferocious and satirical debate. They were courtly and genteel, a High Protestant middlebrow style. Voices were hushed, and propriety ruled at the Yale department of English: I once described it as “walking on eggs at the funeral home.”[/quote]
Question: How much Consciousness or Enlightenment must a person acquire before he or she awakens to the fact that philosophy is confined to use of the brain and thinking, while denying Intuition, Knowledge, and Truth.
Thanks for the link. I read the article. I never really know what to do with Paglia, but it's fun to read.
Welcome to The Philosophy Forum!
Might we know you by a different nickname?
See her:
:broken: American leadership
:sparkle: For non-Americans trying to save Americans and all those who have helped us God's Speed :pray:
*Pig grows sad and depressed whilst looking at bacon*
Actually they enjoy being useful.
I'm a vegetarian these days. No bacon.
A pig eats, shits, and sleeps, and that's all the use it ought to perform with regards to us. Someone make some plant grown bacon to satisfy the pissants.
Hail to Sergey Brin, one of the founders of Google for funding research into plant grown meat substitutes.
I know I am disgusted with how we treat life on the animal scale to satisfy whimsical needs like eating food. Not even to mention that it's a pretty mediocre and slavish life to get your kicks out of eating pork or even eating in general. Was it Hanover that said that were living in the age of mediocre lives?
I mean, sure it fucking tastes good; and food is a part of living; but, spend some time with pigs and see how intelligent and beautiful they are.
Pig is Old English, too. Like me. Old. English.
Pork, on the other hand, comes from the Latin porcus. Porcus amicus.
Sieg Heil, gut Schwein.
Sure. But if plants are sentient, which they may be, we're also killing them, or as a guy once said "we're eating our food's food!".
Point taken though.
There are other sources of etymological information, but for purposes here, what Google supplies is perfectly adequate.
Thanks for the link.
I've returned from my break and left a few comments:
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/582343
Starting with:
I've noticed some do it simply to refer back to what they've said in other discussions.
Perhaps to save time ?
If you are referring to:
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/582381
Then, it acts as a sneaky peek preview, I suppose...and also to highlight, here in the 'Shoutbox', well...I'm not going to repeat it...
Or maybe, there's a deep ulterior motive :chin:
Who cares ? As long as it isn't overdone - I don't think it happens all that often, does it ?
Why did you feel you needed to ask ?
Because what I have to say is so damned important I have to quote it.
:rofl:
It is doubtful that someone would volunteer their ear or mouth for that purpose, that the orifice would be large enough to accommodate a standard sized ball, or that there would even be a demand for such play.
If you don't take these objections seriously, your ideas aren't going to be taken seriously.
Go pig, goooo!
The pig doesn't seem to be having a good time; could be animal cruelty, no?
It might be a hog...
Is that a thing?
It may be a thing in itself. Noumenal experiences exist, no? Those shared moments with a tapir count?
Woah, wut
Yea, I'm watching The Green Knight and it's pretty cool. Only 30 min in.
Did a tapir kiss Garwan? I don't remember.
I was thinking concrete, and it could be marketed as a way to teach kids about human anatomy. :chin:
Going swimming. Indoors.
Oh no. Flooding?
If there's flooding, I guess I'll go swimming outdoors.
Less facetiously, there are several routes to the YMCA where I swim. The one I usually take tends to flood after a big rain, so I took a different route today. All in all, the storm has not hit very hard where I live. At least not yet.
There's something poetic about going swimming indoors during a tropical storm. :up:
As long as it's in a pool and not your living room.
Correct.
Like this one.
I think it's because you have a non-standard name. Here are some suggestions for a new one:
I tried CosmicWanker. It was refused...
Flitter Manx
HughGRection
Banno
DonaldJTrump
IMAPhilosopher
Schopenhauer3.14159
CakeR^2piR0 [ /quote]
:rofl:
Yes but did you really try :razz:
You can see how focused I am at the moment :100:
You mean cosmic wanking? I can shoot over cosmic distances.:lol:
:rofl: I am quite scared in telling you that you have found "your" people. :heart:
I love the phrase on your bio.
Yours?
Finally! I got banned from virtual all physics forums and two philosophy ones! Somehow I feel its pretty relaxed here. In any case not too seriously. And I like that. I can be pretty serious, but if some guy, wanking on Kant, tells me how to think philosophically...That MF banned me from SE philosophy. Anyhow, I have found my people! :heart:
You mean about my grangranny? Yes. Well...it actually has happened to her! In Rotterdam. In 1940. Hitler was in a hurry.
Select the text then right click on the button, that used to work for me when that happened.
Is the etiquette rule at the Y still that you have to yell "CANNONBALL!" before you jump in? I haven't been there in a while and wasn't sure if I would still need to to do that.
No cannonballs during lap swim!
Even if you yell "CANNONBALL!" first?
I know some of you enjoy cocktails, so I though I'd share this one with you. It's called the Smoker's Cough and I enjoy 2 or 3 of them each morning with breakfast. It's that perfect blend of Jägermeister and mayonnaise.
In Oliver Wendall Holmes' Supreme Court opinion in the Case of Schenk vs. United States in 1919, he wrote that yelling fire in a crowded theater is not protected speech. It is less often noted that at the end of his opinion, he added a post-script - "Oh, yeah, I almost forgot. Or Cannonball either!!! I mean for a pool, not a theater. You know what I mean."
That was also the only time in Court history that a justice's opinion has included a triple exclamation mark.
Moondrop grapes are a specialty of a California grower called the Grapery. They're black grapes shaped like little eggplants with dimples on their butts. The package advises that they may be cut longwise and stuffed with salty cheese.
A geneticist was employed to create them, but the package assures that no gene splicing was used.
They taste like black grapes. I think that's basically what they are.
Looks like an old fashioned to me :eyes:
Omg Frank! I LOVE those!
But they are super high in sugar so they are not on my menu.
The salty cheese thing might be good as I had a date sliced open with a bit of blue cheese wrapped in bacon.
OMG :yum:
The Clark family culinary specialty is the peanut butter and mayonnaise sandwich. I guess the general theme is that everything is better with mayonnaise. I think it's a southern thing. But if it's a southern thing, wouldn't it be peanut butter and Miracle Whip? My family also used to have a thing for Dr. Pepper, another exotic import from the south.
In order to keep the tradition alive, I required that each of my three children take at least one bite from a PB&M sandwich. They all did, but to the best of my knowledge none of them has ever taken a second bite.
The nearby Centers for Disease Control suspects that bat meat may be corrupting the already mighty dicey measly pork served in this establishment. The CDC recommends worming pills if you have eaten there--ever. Maybe Hanover & Clarks Sleazy Bar and Grill is the actual Ground Zero for Covid?
I won't give your opinion any credence unless you tell me you've tried a PB&M sandwich and found it impalatable. I'm sure it won't be everyone's favorite, but it is a perfectly good sandwich. The flavors of peanut butter and mayonnaise go well together. As for the Smokers Cough, I am perfectly comfortable taking @Hanover's word for it. Although it is a sophisticated and robust spirit enjoyed by discerning aficionados of fine liquors, not to mention frat boys, everywhere, Jagermeister tastes like Pepto Bismol to me.
So, I know you have peanut butter, mayonnaise, and bread in your house. Make yourself a small sandwich, open a Doctor Pepper (or a fine Savignon Blanc) and try it out. Then, I will take your opinion seriously.
Did you see any of the Kominsky Method on Netflix? The male lead's favorite cocktail is Dr. Pepper and Scotch. His best friend -- dry martini drinker -- considers it an abomination. Actually, I like Dr. Pepper and Diet Pepsi, though I rarely drink them anymore. But no alcohol in it, please.
Sounds tasty! In fact Im gonna make me one. If no whipped cream has been spoiled on the sardines.Ah what the... Penut butter with whipped cream and sugar babymilk must not be misjudged. Except on a soft cracker.
If you leave out the Italian seasoning and spread it thick, it sounds like it'd make a dog treat.
My dogs do love them.
I grew up in the mid-Atlantic states. The only time we got Dr. Pepper was when my father would travel to the south and bring some back with him. He lived in Nashville for several years when he was a kid. I think that's where he picked up the taste. Now, of course, you can get it anywhere. I still really like it, but the regional charm is gone.
This is what makes the difference with sites like PSE!
I remember some old guy who used to come down here and take all our Dr. Pepper. That was annoying.
Why? Do they use walnuts instead of almonds? I'm allergic to walnuts But does "walnut" actually refer to something? Or is it just a sound we make to elicit some sort of behavior in other people?
"Walnut," she said knowingly.
"Excuse me?" he said with a hint of apology for taking up space.
"It's a bundle of properties." she said, staring out into space.
"Oh" he said assuringly. "Would you like to discuss this further over a cup of coffee?"
"I don't drink coffee." She said as she walked away.
No, no. Your just having a flashback memory of "Smokey and the Bandit." That's the one where Burt Reynolds played my father and Sally Field played my mother. If my memory is correct, your father was played by Jackie Gleason.
My father wasn't played by Jackie Gleason. He was Jackie Gleason.
Authentic deli sodas are from Dr. Brown's, not Dr. Pepper, and sure as hell not Mr. Pibb, whatever that non-degreed fucker is trying to peddle.
When I was a kid, the local drugstore made all its sodas from syrup and soda water, including coke and root beer. Add some cherry syrup and you get cherry coke, and my favorite, cherry smash. I can still taste it 60 years later.
So, I'm sure Dr. Pepper was often made with syrup and soda water in the G.O.D.s.
:lol: Nonono. They use chestnuts only. To slam their hands against after and before they made a succesfull attept to again get me banned because I didnt agree with that on--Kant-masturbating mod. How happy he was to ban me. The last time I was banned I was quick enough to send him a last farewell note, which was probably the reason I was banned network-wide. I still get the shivers thinking about him. But I'll mention him in a book. Photo included!
I think you'll eventually be banned here as well.
For sure...!
I've looked over some of your discussions and posts. In general, they're pretty substantive. Perhaps there is hope for you.
Quoting Prishon
I can give you some tips to stay under the radar if you like.
( 1 ) If you're going to write a pet theory you have on something, make sure you put in a lot of effort portraying it and arguing for it.
( 2 ) Do your best with spelling, punctuation and formatting.
( 3 ) Don't commit suicide by mod out of pride.
( 4 ) Do argue why you think someone is wrong to the best of your ability. Telling someone that they are wrong in a one liner is a problem if you do it a lot.
Quoting Prishon
Hope for you as a valuable, contributing member of our community.
For me, the main criteria by which a member's value to the forum can be measured is by a body of quality posts and discussions built up over time. Once a credible history has been built up, a certain amount of shenanigans is more forgivable. That's the main reason it bothers me when people are banned without giving them a chance to work out their place here.
Smoochy, smoochy.
Thanks for the tips. I have the feeling though that the radar uses pretty long wavelengths. Those at PSE were incredibly short... But nevertheless, I'll try to stay under it. Maybe I'll even go underground for a while. I kow what you mean by spellling. Sometimes though I cant avoid, no metter how hard I tfy. Im typing on a clever phone. Smaaaall diald. Big thump. :smile:
I think "good post proportion" is a useful metric for that. Admittedly we don't keep numbers or try and quantify it (at least I don't) so there will be biases. It's pretty easy to see that if someone's made 20 posts or so and they're all one liners shitting on others with poor writing... They won't be treated leniently. But I think that's consisted with valuing the proportion of posts which have adequate structure/etiquette as the major metric.
Would you let someone who made 100 posts of abrasive or totally off topic one liners in a week stay?
I say that like we watch the forum eagle eyed. You can absolutely get away with that. I think we've even banned people who produced super high quality content (giant comparative essay OPs with great writing!) but were mostly FUCK YOU outside of that.
But yes, as a general rule of thumb, build up some good karma and we're going to umm and ahh about punishing outbursts (especially in political topics) unless they're racist/illegal/sexist etc.
When I grow up I'm going to have a small dad and a big thump.
I have sometimes been critical of moderators' decisions in the past. It was not my intention to be critical in my post this time. I was laying out what I look for when deciding to take a member seriously and consider them a real member of our community.
:up:
:lol:
At PSE resistence is futile. And eventhough I'm not a racist, nor illegal, nor a sexist (though sometimes I like to illegally f. a black beauty...) I was banned from over there. No discussion, no arguments could be made in my favour... The dice were thrown beforehand. The Kantian dice.
Yes...well. Ahem.
I feel strangely attracted...
Is it wrong to follow a black horse in a stolen car?
It is my understanding that Nietzsche did not speak or write English. I've also heard that he was computer illiterate.
Where’s your imagination, Clarky?
I left it around here somewhere, Dusty.
Phew!
Not here, for sure! Thats my impression but the impressions can deceive. On PSE he would be banned AND muted. Permanently.To be sure. Maybe he was banned from a forum in his time, back then. To exclaim: "Gott ist tod!", while emptying his nose in a handkerchief.
@Noble Dust
Socrates was banned.
From a forum? Why?
He was banned by the citizens of Athens using hemlock.
Ah yes! Thats a true permanent ban... A permanent ban these days doesnt need hemlock. Virtual digital ban will do. Though if I pass the offices of that PSE owning company I dont stand for myself...
:fire:
What is PSE anyway?
I am wondering the same :lol:
Quoting Noble Dust
Psychic (to be called philosophy over there) Stack Exchange.
Are you cold?
:broken: :broken: :broken:
My brothers and sisters, Aunts and Uncles, parents and Grandparents, friends who have worn the United States uniform: we are proud of your service and pray for your safety
Parents with a p and grandparents with a capital? Aunts and uncles with a capital and brotbers and sisters with a lower case?
In words:
Less scary...
:heart:
They used an abacus for calculating, with two symbols: l and ll. After doing calculations, they would represent the answer in clay. Since the digits take their meaning from the column they're in, they used a placeholder digit: / , to represent an empty column.
Representation.
So, people who say language isn't representational are daft.
WHAT THE MOTHERF...!?!?
It's "what the fuck" or wtf. There's no mother in there.
There has only ever been one unfucked mother, and even that virgin birth is disputed.
Quoting frank
Nevertheless, it's pretty representative.
Good one! :lol:
:brow: Yes that is what the spirit of my sentiments were.
But just to please your ass let me correct my mistakes. I stand corrected.
My Grands (Nona and Nono) & Granny and Grampa, my Mom and maybe my three "Fathers would be more inclusive yet decisive as possible.
You would be the person bitching about the music being played on the Titanic. Could you not have chosen Bach?
Just going to put you on "iggy" now and save me the bandwidth.
If I was less than graceful I would tell you to kindly fuck off....
What are you going to be taking orally?
Oh man! You truly make me laugh! From the inner belly. Oohh ...th ere I go again....
Now I only have to take her. Orally.
If you are interested: The Babylonian Calendar
So their calendar was the most accurate in the ancient world?
When the Greeks did astronomy, they translated their numbers to Babylonian, did their calculations, and translated the answer back to Greek. There was no way to do the calculations with the Greek number system.
So the number system is fundamentally rooted in use, calculating specifically, not counting.You don't need zeroes to count.
Maybe you should be banned. For a small period. To cool down...
Did the stuff arrive today?
Not surprising. I think that's a much more factual website. Like you wouldn't give an unsourced answer on math/programming stack exchanges. Same with physics forums.
It's nice for people who wanna stick to the standard philosophies. To be linked to in standard ways. The standards not to be questioned. But it's so dull! And not really enlightening. The answers are maybe the longest in the mean (of all sites and I actually asked why this is so and why so many -isms are involved, which wasn't liked). I dunno. The philosophical worldview is grey and not well articulated. Many intelligent words are used. But they simply miss substance. The verbiage becomes empty. Something like that. I had the feeling they felt trapped by me.
I'll stop. Never mention it again.
The circumlocution of the erudite is the onanism of the grandiloquent. :vomit: :chin:
Modding wise - it can be frustrating to try to keep a topic intended to be an academic discussion on topic when someone doesn't want it to be that. In their position, assuming it's about academic content mostly, I'd've made the same call.
Exactly! Sounds heavy. But with substance, actually. Not hiding nothingness. On top of that their circumlocution was used to onanate on, resulting in an emptying of their predominantly scroti to get relief from grandiloquent postures, after which grey ejaculations from their fake pseudo scientifically erected erections left nothing more than soft black emptiness!
Shook down on me
A dust of snow
From a hemlock tree
Has given my heart a change of mood
And saved some part of a day I had rued.
Wow! Nice contrast between that good old hemlock and the fresh white snow.
The point is that I was the one trying to keep it academic. Maybe it wasnt in the standard way. For example, on the physics site I asked the question what would happen if a ball of zero Kelvin helium would appear on the bottom of the sea. I asked it three times with increasing level of specification. But the mod was determined. I asked an arbitrary question and that was it. He said I just wanted to fight the system of closure. But I was not doing that. I just wanted to know. Would a crust of ice form? To prevent expansion? The verdict was made. Bad contribution. A similar question was asked some time before: What would happen if a zero Kelvin cube of iron appeared in a room? A well received question that even became hot. I mentioned this to the mod but he didnt adress this comment. Instead he searched for a case against me. Once I asked the question on meta physics why question wasnt marked as hot. He took exactly those words, suggesting I just wanted to be hot. Well, maybe I was but I just wanted to know how the mechanism worked. Anyhow, I was banned for a year because of him. Not because of my contribution.
Poll: (2020-) COVID-19 pandemic
Feel free to give your reasons (and demographics), but please move to the general discussion over here for anything else: Interesting Stuff » Politics and Current Affairs » Coronavirus
I have been vaccinated or plan to
Yes / No / Don't know
Vaccine passports
For / Against / Don't know
Mandatory vaccination (or frequent testing) in some settings (e.g. packed offices, schools, hospitals)
For / Against / Don't know
Seems to me there are a lot of different issues to be discussed under the subject of "Coronavirus." Political, ethical, scientific, psychological. Given the importance of it right now, it makes sense that there would be a number of threads.
I'm not particularly interested in the subject, so I just don't read them.
Some commentaries out there (like authoritarian fascist tyranny) haven't, though you might find examples of sneaking other laws in that go unnoticed because of pandemic focus.
Ah! Thats a good way to get to know people indeed.
Don't you ever get self-righteous as hell over stuff you can't really do anything about?
That would make it someone else's problem right?
Scio te esse, sed quid sum. - I know you are, but what am I?
Semper ubum sub ubum - Always wear underwear
Veni, vidi, vici - Turn left, then turn right, then go straight ahead
Latino numquam utar. Facit ut culus. - Never use Latin. It makes you sound like an asshole.
Cogito ergo sum - Boy, I really drank too much last night.
Carpe diem - Day old fish.
@Annobay isay anay opeday - Is this the way to Coonabarabran?
There are no such things! You can always tell us about them. That's doing something! It might work; it might change the world, or change us or change you.
If struggling isn't working, try letting go. That works for some problems. Your beloved is a problem? No please, don't make love a problem. If what you fear should happen, it will fill your life with pain and loss, and that is the price of love. Say yes to the whole - the love, the fear, the pain, the loss - they are all one thing.
Isn't there also, 'What the motherfuck'n Christ is that!?' Australians have started to use the term here in recent years probably thanks to the endless supply of US movies and long-form TV
I think that's all an Australian-ism.
Me too. Sometimes a good night's sleep clears it out. Depends what it is?
This Corano, eeeh, Carono, eeeh, Conora, ...fuck!..., Canoro.......grrrrrr?!...Corona, right!, this Corona stuff is making me mad indeed! And self-righteous!
If anyone wants to bet, Im in for it!
[i]A flare shot leaves a scar
Burning in the dark
On my forearms
Through the barbed wire
Then another fifty yards
Crouching in the trench
Clutching bayonets
A hundred men
All knee-to-chest
A hundred marionettes
I am the string pulled by the sure hand
Animating what was still
I am invisible and faithful
I am a courier[/i]
Said ducklin ugly
To no avail!
Said glorious hail
I just wanna fuck Lee!
Damned! We wrote at the same time!
[joke] I just like to add a little class after you stink up the joint. [/joke]
:rofl:
Stink it up
Light the candle
Make the drop
Too cold to handle
Brrrrrrrrrr...
Rigidity crumbles
Nuclei materialize
Feathersoft velvet moss
Stonehard stone
Hope aimed
On tight unity
Before the storm
Is reaggitated
To heaven
NicK and one indian are at a breaking point and I fear that I will be forced to choose. Please don't make me choose.... :broken:
Was Christ his own father?
:pray: :pray: :pray:
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
I assume you refer to the situation in Afghanistan. Who sold Osama bin Laden rockets? To be fired at commies? Indeed America. The seeds were laid. Mujahedin---Talibanned---AlQuaeda/IS...
Now the US has gone. After the longest war ever raged. 20 000 died in the fight agaist a terrorism for which they themselves laid the base.
Was it worthwhile?
Which "it" are we evaluating?
Were we in Afghanistan to crush al Qaeda? That was accomplished early on. Were we there to crush the Taliban? They were strongly compressed, not so much crushed. Kill bin Laden? That was done eventually, though not in Afghanistan. Build a purebred democratic state out of a batch of medieval tribes? Apparently that was a goal. Stupid.
Crushing al Qaeda seems like a worthwhile goal, even if not altogether doable. Ditto for the Taliban, only they were more deeply woven into Afghan affairs, thanks to our good ally, Pakistan.
Building a democracy in Afghanistan was a fool's errand. The dirt of EDIT: medieval tribalism the Taliban comes out of is simply not soil in which democracy can grow. Afghanistan, as far as I know, was never a "modern state" which had been pulled backward by the Taliban. Well, it was much less medieval maybe in urban centers, apparently, but much of the place is rural.
Maybe we could have modernized Afghanistan had we made them an outright colony, occupied every last corner, and stayed there for a couple hundred years. Even then, they would not have become a central Asian California.
Iraq presented a different, but similar problem: Iraq was a much more developed country, but was a political mess. We barreled in and made matters worse in several ways. At the time of the Iraq invasion, it was my view that we had insufficient competence to put that Humpty Dumpty back together, once we had smashed it. It may be that nobody intended to put H. D. back together, but if so, that approach didn't work either. The Insane Islamic State appeared. Very bad.
Where we have succeeded in making major changes to uppity nations was where we thoroughly conquered states that were essentially modern. The Axis powers of WWII were not medieval fundamentalists; they were modern industrial states with proven capacity to get things done. Germany and Japan had to be, ah... redirected, but they didn't have to be reprogrammed.
In the fullness of time, (given a millennia) places like Afghanistan might modernize themselves. Or maybe not. Islamic Fundamentalism and tribalism are an enduring pestilence, just as Christian Fundamentalism and predatory capitalism are enduring. Short of a constructive occupation by highly enlightened and very skilled aliens from some other star system, I don't see things changing a lot.
Of course, global warming may well "settle our hash" as the saying goes, as we all sink into a hot swamp.
According tto Biden, nation-building was not the primary goal.
Quoting Bitter Crank
I dunno. What if in the fullness of time places like Afghanistan "modernize" according to the "mode" of an Islamic "mongrel" state? If the "mongrels" outthere wish for this...
Correct. The first goal was to beat the shit out of al Qaeda. Nation building was probably blundered into, rather than set up as a noble objective.
I suppose referencing Afghans as 'mongrels' is considered impolite. My bad. Not that I am changing anything, EDIT: changed "mongrel" to Medieval
Prishon says: Can remeber Amsterdam! Good friend Theo van Gogh made dead by bad man with long black girly clothes. Bad man no nice! Why bad man did? Theo said no nice things about what belief bad man! Say god no there. Bad man no like this. But why make dead friend Theo? Bad man make all people in country cry! Prishon must cry now again! :cry:
All men (people) are mortal. Socrates is a man. Therefore Socrates is mortal.
But what if we say:
All mortals are men (people). Alice is mortal. Therefore she's a man.
Assume it to be true that all mortals are men (of course it isn't true in the real world but suppose there is such a world). She clearly belongs to mankind. But she is no man. Two different meanings of the word "man" are used. One encompassing both men and women and one only men. Is there a name for such a syllogism? An inconsistent syllogism maybe?
[quote=“Wiki on Equivocation”] In logic, equivocation ('calling two different things by the same name') is an informal fallacy resulting from the use of a particular word/expression in multiple senses within an argument.[/quote]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation
:grin:
So the syllogism can be called an equivocative fallicy syllogism?
:rofl:
Donkeys have bigger brains. Maybe orange sized brains.
Prishon says even bees have small brain and bees nicely fly and buzz. Maybe laugh too. Prishon donot wanna stung by bee. Bee no nice for Rishon...RIIIIIIISHOOOOOOOONNNN! THE VERY LAST TIME...SHUUUUT... THE F........ UUUUUP!
:rofl:
Who wants to come and what are you going to bring?
I'm going and I am bringing my rolling pin and my best stoic foot forward.
A mongrel is a mixed breed dog, especially if the breeds are not known. That describes Americans better than it does Afghans.
:rofl:
I don't see why my statement is funny. It's just a matter of fact - the US is a more heterogenous nation than Afghanistan.
Of course you are serious. But as a reply to the quote you gave I think its great. In fact I laughed at a bitter crank!
:lol:
This concern went a long ways toward shaping later concepts of marriage and family, emphasizing more the nuclear aspects, and less tribal aspects. This was way before feminists began sneering at the suburban nuclear family.
I have changed "mongrel" to "medieval", which is a much less satisfying pejorative to apply to tribalisms.
Europeans, of course, did a lot of mixing over millennia, before they took over the Western Hemisphere and mixed it up even more. Humans are mixers.
Less satisfying, perhaps, but also more philosophical, reasonable, rational, logical, fair-minded, even-handed, objective...
Prishon say: Medival Afghaan time good time! No bigy boom bombs. No rocky go to moon and pluto. No boss of world. Every poeples were nosomany. Every peoples free. Prishon likey likey oldi days.
Only IS came in its place. The Americans have fucked up again. Just fucked around in the world. If those rockets were not given to Osama bin Laden's clan he would not have become al Quaeda. Shot some Russian helicopters with it. Them atheists. Then the situation went Taliban. From Mudjahedin. Then a US ship was beterrorized (17 killed?). Then the WTC. Then at last Bush made use of the situation. While he sat in a children class hearing the story about the big bad wolve, his hawks guided planes into towers. "Everyone knows where he was that day" What the f.? Is it that important a happening that took place? To speak of before and after 9/11? Bush and consortes did well in Irak. Destroy! To build up by American companies. Money!!! Irak was left in a medieval state. Maybe they build a better society for themselves. Let's hope. Like in Afganistan. 20 years? To crush alQuada. To get 20 000 killed. 86 billion dollar? Maaaan...
Are you asleep? Already now? It hasnt even really started...
The magic inside
Unwordly
No words attached
Inside you feel
Outside you see
To be prolonged
Vision stretched
To the brink of brake
To the hilt
Purloined by
Rishonian substrate
Higgsian deceive
I kiss my sweet
Make her feel
Our dog just wiggles
Her tail
Quoting Prishon
I see this idea cropping up a lot. As if Iraqis, Iranians, Afghanis, Syrians, et al had nothing up their sleeves until we came along. I don't believe it. It's like blaming Britain for the nazis' rise in Germany.
That doesn't mean I think we should have spent $$$$$, 20 years, and blood there.
Quoting Prishon
WTF? indeed. OK, so he heard about the Twin Towers attack while he was visiting an elementary school classroom. Not a place where adults can safely emote all over the place.
Quoting Prishon
Of course it is that important! I was at work at the University of Minnesota that day, and I was shocked that the University didn't shut down by noon (CST). I wasn't worried about safety; I just thought that "business as usual is over for this week, at least."
As an act of terrorism, or aggression, or war -- whatever you want to call it -- 9/11 was brilliantly executed. It achieved the sort of bullseye-hit results that billions of dollars can not buy, and probably can't be duplicated.
What were you doing that day? Were you not emotionally affected?
You've started littering the forum with too many inconsequentials. Limit that to the shoutbox for a while.
I guess you are right! But Im so excited. I truly have the feeling to have found something! I stop at 1000. Take a break and write a book. Next week my laptop is finally lapped up. I miss her!
To be honest, I'm surprised you've lasted this long. Which is not to say I don't think you belong here. As a wise philosopher once wrote "Prishon is a pain in the ass, but...." Generally, your posts and threads are substantive and often lead to interesting discussions. You are more or less civil, if a bit silly. So, silly, substantive, annoying, and civil. Sounds like a winner to me.
I hope you will/can hang around. Maybe if you back off a bit. Fewer single line smart ass responses. At least until the moderators learn to love you as much as the rest of us do.
Exactly what I thought! Oops. One again! No, four lines. Ill take it easier! Prishon wanna stay! :heart:
:grin:
I back off now. Gnight. Must let out the dog and get good rest...
A lot of us here kind of like @Prishon. He generally works and plays well with others and many of his posts are substantive, interesting, and productive. He seems to sincerely like it here. I think he will make a good member of the forum.
~circling, roughing up ground, settling down in a nest beside you~
I'm moving this here. It doesn't belong in a substantive thread. I apologize to Constance. Here's my response to your comment:
Bull shit.
You know my intentions? Bullshit
@Hanover, @StreetlightX, @fdrake, @Michael, @Benkei
I wish to associate myself with T Clark's comments on @Prishon. He (P) seems to have had a traumatic experience at Philosophy Stack Exchange, whatever the hell a stack exchange is. Granted, there are more real world refugees than we want to make room for, but Prishon is digital and takes up very few disc sectors in whatever god-forsaken server farm houses our happy home.
Just how many pounds of carbon are we responsible for, these days?
*Pig wonders*
Just watching baseball and reading convoluted philosophical bickerings, Posty.
Do pigs brush their teeth?
These?
Probably not...
Looks like they'd require some specialized toothbrushes. Perhaps several different models.
I like that synthwave track in your bio btw
Cleaning the house of my granny. She watched TV and the program was changed. I
I saw the second plane hit live-on-air... Oofff....It even gave me a nightmare...To realize all these people were in!
Good observation. Nazis are comparable to IS shouters. One of them stabbed a cineast over here. To death. The nazis even had ties with a mad mullah.
Are you married? If not, you are welcome to get this live audio feed of the bickering to compete with the game on.
Who's playing by the way?
Not married. Oh man, can I choose which members I get the live feed of?
I’m originally from Ohio, so last night it was Cleveland at Kansas City. How are those D-Backs, Tiff?...
A home for everyone is possible
Yes you can choose which members you get the live feed of through our Premium Choice package!
The only kink we haven't worked out yet is how to turn the feed off! :joke:
Quoting Noble Dust
Who backs?
Die hard Cubs fan here! And, well, maybe one more time to the series?
Maybe? :sparkle:
Yay! Thank you.
:rofl:
Facit ut culus culo. (ablative, no?)
Well, when I got on the train around 9:20 the rain was pretty medium, and by the time I got off 10 minutes later it was insane. But the train ride was fine, I think I got off just in time. The 12 minute walk home, on the other hand, was pretty brutal. Apparently the subways are still pretty messed up this afternoon. You?
Maybe not this year...
For the playoffs, I'm rooting for San Diego...assuming they can make it in in the wild card.
All my Latin comes from one of three places 1) quotes from others, 2) I make them up, or 3) Google translate. For pig Latin I do my own translations.
An upside of walking or bicycling in extremely heavy rain (with wind, lightening, etc.) is that once you are totally soaked, you can't get any wetter. I'd rather get wet on the street than in a subway tunnel. A clip of water (a lot!) plunging down the stairs and onto the tracks was very scary. There were people on the platform watching it.
In his fascinating book, The World Without Us, Alan Weisman describes how a place like NYC would succumb to the natural environment if we disappeared. At the present time, a lot of pumping goes on 24/7 just to keep ground water at bay. Without that pumping, the water would soon fill the subways, basements, low-long areas, etc. Without us, storms like IDA would cause damage that would never be repaired. Things would fall apart, the center would not hold.
New York has itself to blame for this. Manhattan was, once upon a time, a hilly, forested, well drained landscape for the most part. City planners wrecked all that in a colossal way when (1811) they decided to impose a flat grid on the island. "every valley was exalted and every mountain made low; the crooked made straight, and 3/4ths of it was paved with concrete" to paraphrase Isaiah.
Covering up natural drainage doesn't make it disappear, of course. That's why all the pumping. And when it does rain, concrete is great at shedding water into over-loaded sewers, convenient subway tunnels, or New Jersey airport buildings.
Minneapolis had a heavy rain in 1987 (I was bicycling home in it)--12" in a few hours. Amazing. Very damaging, and I've never seen another rain like that. I was grateful to not have been fried by one of the numerous lightening strikes.
Nature bats last.
You think we know what an ablative, subjunctive, or analytic language is? are? were? Were Americans to use the subjunctive, our countrypersons would not know what we would have meant to say was we to spoken normal.
You and @Michael Zwingli are putting a lot more thought and effort into this than I did, or than it's worth. Keep up the good work.
And you're just the man for the job.
My abiding interest in language and linguistics is one of my failings. Even though I am the perennial lingual dilettante, I find language and (particularly Indo-European) linguistic history infinitely fascinating.
Google Translate has been ensuring that students fail their Latin courses since it was first developed; the software thereof just doesn't have the ability to determine inflection, at least in Latin. I don't know how Translate does with some of the modern inflected languages such as German, Polish, and Russian, but with Latin it truly bites the big (or not so big) one.
I hope you recognize my comment was intended to be light-hearted.
Yes, I did discern that. :wink:
So true. You have to "lean into it", as us millennials say. It's almost worse to get slightly wet from a medium rain. Last night I just embraced how ridiculous it was and enjoyed the bath. I also somehow managed to smoke a cigarette during the sojourn.
Apple Corporation will make transcriptions of voice mails; I've been surprised at how well speech recognition software works.
In time the software will get better--much better. It's an interesting problem for bright young programmers to solve. Of course, the alternative is to learn another language. It's a little late for me, being way way past the language acquisition age.
I'm impressed!
@T Clark how about you up in New England?? How bad was Ida for you?
:yikes:
Where there's a will there's a way...
DeepL is better (probably the best) for French.
How do you feel about Economics? :grin:
Not positively. Though I can tell you, in the case of people willing to do your economics homework, supply does meet demand. Yet another example of supply side economics sucking.
Now, I don't wish to digress in this conversation, but are you aware of someone who likes this kind of sucking? And if so might we be able to barter my economics away from my mind? :grin:
Not too bad. We had some rain, but this has already been one of the rainiest summers ever. It's been a big problem for my son and his fiance, who manage a farm.
One thing really odd - there have been two tornado warnings near my home in the past two weeks. This is very unusual. In one case, a funnel was observed, but not close to us. Earlier this week, another funnel was observed on Cape Cod less than a mile from where we were on vacation two weeks ago. I think that one was associated with the tropical storm.
I'm embarrassed, and pleased, that my stupid post set off an interesting discussion.
In the beginning
there was only one dark pink Rose-of-Sharon.
But in the next season a light pink one grew beside
and they lived in harmony, spring upon spring,
Tumbling in time.
Until one year a number of lavender ones appeared, they said they were hybrids.
But some believe the hybrid was a bad omen because that same year the demon-eyed human became tired of having its skin pricked by the wild blackberries and a war was stirred up
Many lost their lives.
Especially the ones that were tangled up with the blackberries.
And to this hour, the corpses of the berries lay rotting beside,
but not in
the compost pile.
Great heaps of mulch were laid over the places where the blackberries had thrived.
A red-tailed hawk looked on at the carnage and then flew away
No doubt it had spotted something fat to eat.
Did you mean this as a response to my post on weather in New England?
Yeah, I just need you to tell it like it's an ancient Algonquin myth.
:razz:
Quoting Srap Tasmaner
Kind of you to note my little jest.
Sure they don't parasitize the oaks (they make their own food and what not), but the oaks gain nothing in return! (Ecologists call this relationship "commensialism", but that sounds suspiciously like communism to me!)
The fight is not over...
Quoting The Guardian - The Democrats must wake up
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/05/donald-trump-coup-attempts-election-2020
***
Cawthorn - this name keeps cropping up.
See the discussion: 'The Supremes and the New Texas Abortion Law':
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/588934
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/588962
Beautiful tree, the moss can stay.
If you lived there, the park ranger might make you pack your shit and leave. The po po are such dicks.
To make the Monkeys feel at home of course :monkey:
All the bald monkeys. Where do they all come from?
Hmmm I am not sure
Why we still haven't been able to find aliens (Business Insider; May 18, 2021)
The aestivation hypothesis seems a bit odd to me. The Gaian bottleneck hypothesis, and the icy ocean world hypothesis, seem more plausible. Life as we'd know it, is likely rare enough that meeting up is unlikely.
On the other hand, looking around the news and history, I can see why extraterrestrials might want to keep way off our radar. It's not like we homo sapiens at large are supremely rational and reasonable. :)
Either way, it might be safest for us if we find them before they find us. ;)
Anyone?
:pray:
Unfortunately, I still think the Technological Civilizations Always Kill Themselves Off hypothesis is probably correct. I hope I'm wrong.
Quoting T Clark
This reminds me of a trip I just returned from. Ruins of the Carnegie estate on Cumberland Island. From dust to dust.
And that reminds me of this:
[i]I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”[/i]
Shelley - "Ozymandias"
I never liked Shelley that much, but I've always liked that poem.
I moved this over here to keep from cluttering up the thread.
No need to get moderators involved. I was just trying to edumacate @Cidat. When you start a discussion, you are expected to provide some substance in the OP. Of course, providing substance has never been one of your priorities.
It is a good thing, a great thing even, to experience beauty--and truth, too. The truth might be beautiful, but it might also project itself with hideous strength, a disfiguring malignancy. I don't know... I just can't get into the world view of the late romantics. Better for me the early Romantics like Coleridge and Wordsworth,
or
or
Points are awarded for poetic quotes only when they come out o the blue--like yours did. If one is carping about the Romantics, one clearly does not earn points for quoting them.
I do like haikus though. I could see writing that way. They're very precise.
When I went to read
I realized I don't read
That good so I stop'd
Poetry I realized
I don't like it. Damn
Or is it just for people
Who don't like poe-
"I Can't read poems", I thought
"Why, you idiot?"
Does the pig like poetry?
Gnarf gnarf
Mmmmmmm
Mhiiimhiiii
Karf karf
I don't know if that counts as free-form haiku.
:lol: it doesn't fulfill the pattern. :rofl:
:rofl:
Oink oink
Whiii whiii
Stoink boink
Apple apple apple!
for not reading poetry
but his haikus suck
Best wishes to all the members of this group that so nicely always answered me on the threads.
Cheers, :flower:
A poem called
Ozymandias
To her instead
I left the moment
It was a futile
Gesture anyway
I was here
And she was here
And being broad
Of minds and hips
We did the only
Thing possible
I guess I should
Have strangled her
To death
But, I had to go
To work
And she had laced my coffee
With acid
Normally
I wouldn't
Have minded
But I'm allergic so sulfuric
Acid
Besides
She had acne
And if you got acne
Well, I apologise for
Disliking
You intensely
But it's understandable
That I'll be king
Of your complexes
I mean
It seems to me
That I'll be king
Of the isle of sharks
IT'S ONLY THE CHILDREN
OF THE FUCKING WEALTHY
WHO TEND TO BE
GOOD-LOOKING
An ugly fart
Attrackts a good-looking
Chick if he's got money
If he's got money
It's different
For jews somehow
I'd like to see
A passionate
Film between
The two ugliest
People in the world
When I say ugly
I don't mean rot-looking
I mean hideous
Don't tell me that
Aesthetics are
Subjective you'll
Know the truth
When you see it
Whatever it is
Ugly
What? Why? Can I take your place?
haikus are easy
five seven five is the rule
it's easy peasy
Odd numbers are auspicious
Lucky it's easy.
The first line sets out
what the next develops
The last transforms all.
his mental health demands it
hello solitude
It is really such a crime
But not another occasion.
I call this "Man Next Door"
He pets his kitten
bolts shut the door behind him
chambers his last round.
There is poetry being quoted in three threads now. I really love it. It takes some leverage to get me to read poetry, so this is opening my eyes. You, @Amity and @Gus Lamarch are giving me stuff to think about and making me want to read more. Maybe we can keep one of these threads open all the time.
This is one of the lines I remember from high school. I use it to show my erudition or as a smart-ass comment in a discussion about truth. Somewhere along the line I figured out, as you did, that it isn't correct.
Not for sensitive viewers. Has violence, rough language, drugs (and plenty alcohol), death, nudity, sexuality of whatever kind, soft porn, opportunist behavior, attempted murder without particular consequences, occasional irrational emotional outbursts, lying, cheating, scamming, kids in the middle of it all, ... After a few seasons, you can't help but wonder why more of them aren't behind bars (or at the asylum).
I suppose it can be seen as a social commentary. Has social realism, the destitute, the punk attitudes, occasional (anti)stereotyping though otherwise fairly realistic characters, ... The characters aren't exactly to be emulated though not exactly evil either, likable, real life has it all.
What's your take on it?
I've enjoyed having you around. Come back whenever you feel like it.
I call this "Lonely Man Next Door"
He looked far away
as he removed her red blouse
Can't wait for morning.
Haiku is just the Japanese name for limerick.
Haiku comes in handy
TPF is passed station
For the Javi dandy
May he linger long in limbo!
The bus drove away
Very many years ago
Maybe he'll visit.
The average TPF'er?
Wikipedia has an interesting article on Haiku. It talks about what the form requires and allows.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku
A philosophy in Wikikoy
Wanted seven stars and fame
It searched for love and fertile soil
And for the just and strongheard name
Is Kant for that really the one to blame?
Never watched the US version. I do like the UK one. I was in love with Fiona from the first time I saw her. She could look goofy and beautiful and ugly all at the same time. From what you've written, it sounds like the US version is rougher than the UK version. I've thought about watching it. I really like William H. Macy is one of the best actors ever. Even if he did try to cheat to get his kid into college.
There once was a man from Nagasaki
Who had a girlfriend from the banks of Milwaukee
they went fishing one day
but instead had his way
and said this American tastes better than sushi.
I don't own a television any more (and there is no virtue-signal in this), but I do watch stuff on Netflix. It seems like the 'orbit of plots" in these shows starts out well enough -- the first 2 or 3 episodes set the show up, and are fairly interesting. Then the plot orbit veers into the dark zone of violence, crude behavior, crazy irrational obsessions, and so on. Take for instance "The Defeated" which is set in the immediate post WWII occupation of Germany. The setting provide years' worth of plots about what it was like to be occupied after a horrendous episode of fascism, genocide, and various other grotesque events. But that's not enough. No, the script writers decided the already bad situation required an extra-evil character to amp up scenes of horror.
That's one thing; another is the quick resort to repetitive plotting, where the same kind of situations keep happening. In a comedy, it would be the repetitive lame joke. In a drama it is the repetitive fight scene, or chase, or explosions, etc.
It's not social commentary! It's unimaginative production featuring a small set of plot devices that are 'smash, bang, crash, POW!, splatter' and repeat. Productions made in the US specialize in this, but European productions suffer from repetitiveness as well. In the Norwegian (?) production of Occupied, the Russians have coerced Norway into abandoning its zero-carbon program in favor of continued oil production to satisfy European demand. Interesting plot idea; very little violence. This show had great potential, but it kept taxi-ing down the runway without actually taking off. Maybe it was a bit too low budget, too cerebral... But it definitely didn't fulfill it's potential.
Great content is a like gold, silver, or platinum -- wonderful if you have it, difficult to fake if you don't.
Where social commentary comes in is this: There are too many entertainment channels chasing too few gifted writers, production companies, and so forth. The result is the bloated entertainment landscape that exists.
Nagasaki, Milwaukee, sushi! :up:
In one of my favorite TV shows of all time, "The Rockford Files," we used to joke that Rockford always got hit on the head and knocked out at 20 minutes in. I also love "Burn Notice." When I first got Netflix I watched the first 40 episodes. I loved the characters, but after a while all the plots were the same.
That was very difficult. Brought my A game.
You're so old you're hip again. The kids no longer have TVs either. They just stare at computer screens and phones these days.
Columbo was better.
What I can say about Wisconsin is that people from Wisconsin are really proud to be from Wisconsin. Not sure why. They also drink a lot of beer and drinking and driving is pretty much ok the first couple of times you get caught.
I would watch Colombo if it was on. I would make sure I watched Rockford Files every week. My list of favorite TV shows. I only count ones that came after 1970. Before that, I loved everything, Even McHale's Navy.
Criteria for getting on the list - At least once I have to say "I can't believe it's this good."
I've only been to Milwaukee once, when my brother was living there. We went to a German restaurant. Mmmm...If you're ever driving along the Mosel River between Kolblenz and the French Border, go to the Hotel Trauben restaurant. Schwein Fleisch mmm... A different kind of potatoes with every dish. If you decide to stay, get a room away from the road.
As I noted, the shows on my list were not necessarily the best, only my favorites. If we're talking about late night talk shows, my favorite was the one with the gay skeleton cohost.
My genius is the courage
To write bad haikus
Or, more fashionably,
Into the shoutbox
from the metaphysics of poetry
poor verse escapes
the original Star Trek
a big fat doobie
Is the physics of the meta
Using metamathematics
Reversing meaning of the zeta
Expressing what's it all made of
Donkeywell!!!
This is from National Lampoon from 1973:
The crossed-out word is a derogatory word for Japanese person. It used to be used all the time when I was a kid. It's what they called Japanese on McHale's Navy, one of my favorite shows. It was a comedy about WW2 in the Pacific with Ernest Borgnine and Tim Conway.
No, "Borgnine" is not the same as "9 of 9."
Trying to sleep or read is nauseating and if I say anything, I am given the subliminal shade of ok, could we please talk about me somemore.
Taking 3 college classes remote to get to the point, where I get to choose our mode of transportation to Chicago and Michigan.
Anyway, I smacked my head on a sharp corner when the bus shifted.
I asked because it was bleeding, behind my car on my skull and asked if it needs to be glued shut.
They said no. They being NicK, our oldest Indian and his fiance.
If I were to suddenly take my last breath, I want Star Gazer Lilly's, Deep purple lilacs, and soft lilac as well and a bunch of pussy willows woven together to form a heart.
I love you :heart:
Do you have time to get to know you before you go? I always feel like if I approach you or any one really, I think they are thinking that I am hitting on them. I jest because I love and I have plenty of too for you.
Where are you from?
I was born and bred in Chicago, moved out to AZ with my parents and have been here since.
Now? I am on a road trip and well, I can be a long day.
Where are you logging in from?
What music?
Barber's Adagio? or CCR?
You mentioned music, and Pandora just sent me this, from the heavens, or however it found my phone, and I never heard it before, and it blew me away, so I share it:
One of the powers of poetic metaphysics is to transform attraction from aesthetics into emotive substance.
Indeed, a poetic debate is always welcome.
nice. it goes well with rain
Of TPF who starts trends
His name's Noble Dust
*Pig grows jubilant*
"Bird chirps joyfully*
I write poems the other way round. I transform attraction from emotive substance to aesthetics.
Horse eats frog by mistake
Quoting Noble Dust
Poetry as bricolage.
Reminding of Higgs
Used for unifying
Mass for stones and sticks
It feels rather petrifying
*Pig looks and nods knowingly*
On the verge of passing out
Or maybe even over
Pig hasn't yet decided
Pig will never know
I felt a bit hungover
The bridge I walked on
Was made from be ton
But still couldn't get me over
What is a "be ton"? Is 'ton' supposed to rhyme with 'on'? (It normally doesn't)
Hungover Hannover (or Hanover) is OK. But something besides 'hungover'. maybe? "I was cursed with hangover?"
"was made from pig iron?
problems remain...
*Pig nods knowingly*
A couple of years ago I recorded a mini-album of synth tracks improvised on free synth apps on my smartphone and subsequently recorded from the phone's speaker into an old 1930's carbon microphone (which has since bit the dust). The artist name was Blast Beat Beautiful, and the album name was Blast Beat Bricolage. Needless to say, I've never released it to the public.
Ideally the line would go:
I was a bit hungover
While strolling through Hanover
Better flow. We may need to start a new thread in which we give constructive criticism to shitty poems left in the shoutbox. It seems reasonable.
I don't disagree, but they might stash it in the Lounge, where no one will ever read it.
There was a young son of Hanover's
who suffered from well-earned hangovers.
Oh agony and pain! lamented the swain,
As he flushed himself down the drain.
This is doggerel, but at least it's better doggerel. Tragic doggerel, actually, resulting in the death of a drunken swain who couldn't stand the pain. No relative of OUR Hanover of course.
So the thing to do, then, is just engage in Poetry Criticism wherever the curse of inept rhythm and incompetent rhyme is found. True, the Lounge is where bright ideas go to die.
See, look what you did!
Oh, of course they will. Their loss.
I'm in if you're in. Let's both look to the greater good of what we'll accomplish with this endeavor; set aside selfish ambitions and truly give ourselves to a Noble cause for once.
A noble cause enforced by cranks.
Gambles and guzzles and smokes
As drunk as a souse
Heads back to his house
And winds up asleep with his goats.
Now that's a pome.
Bruh :yikes:
The caption on the picture said the pig was sleeping.
We don't see the caption bruh..
Hi my old friend! "Beton" is Dutch for "concrete". Mixed up languages. So from "beton" I made "be ton".
But pig stares back
And they both are aware
Of each other's lack
To move on and crack
Or handle with care
Really nice work, but it's not a haiku. I hope you know that.
Anyway, to go into the standard "shoutbox shitty poem critique" formula (as codified by @Bitter Crank), overall, this is actually pretty nice. The main issue is that it's apparently a piggyback poem to the quote from BC which is problematic because whether or not the quoted text is in fact a poem remains to be seen...and therefore I'm confused. Your poem relies so heavily on the quote that the resulting existential question of whether the quoted text in fact counts as poetry itself renders this whole critique a sort of zero. I don't know. It's not a bad poem, but I have to give it a 6.8/10.
The picture breaths! Is it a moving picture?
:heart:
Ain't it Limerickian style?
Wow, I've never experienced such a quick turnaround of pure love. All I can do is amend the review to a strong 7.9 out of 10, assuming @Bitter Crank's approval of the score change.
:heart: :heart: :heart:
Consider us engaged...
Woah woah buddy, I love love, but I also love independence. If we're getting married you should at least let me know.
Sure! I'm gonna check out my neighbor this afternoon. She's a tailor. I'll contact you later if I need your measures...
:heart: :heart: :heart:
9/10 Poetry.
Tomorrow I'll make some 9/11 poetry. Is that allowed?
Sorry. Unclear. I meant the caption on the picture on the web.
@MikeBender we hardly knew ye.
Porcine emergence
from Schrodinger's shadow box,
frightened Uncle Ned.
On 2001 I had just gotten to work at the U of MN. Fairly soon someone rolled out a TV in the building's atrium. I went downstairs to watch. Appalling and absolutely fascinating.
I was also appalled that business went on as usual at the University. It seemed like an appropriate reaction would have been to close the U and send people home--not for our safety, but to give us time to process.
Today? Not too much.
That's a couple of months away. I don't plan that far ahead.
Yeah, it's a wallowsome day.
*Wallow wallow*
There's this song from The Fantastics!, an ancient musical you might remember
Try to remember the kind of September
When life was slow and oh, so mellow.
Try to remember the kind of September
When grass was green and grain was yellow.
Try to remember the kind of September
When you were a tender and callow fellow.
Try to remember, and if you remember,
Then wallow, wallow, wallow, wallow.
Maybe focus on this log in your own eye, eh? *prepares for barrage. I tried*
Only three days after my birthday. I expect you to remember that and grace me with a proper birthday greeting, thanks.
Besides it would be dumb to focus on the log for the forest of American murder. You'd think Americans most of all would be upset by this.
Hmm. You live in a country that suffers from imperialism. You hate the US. You accuse me of having no substance to add when I highlight your country's imperialism, at your own suggestion.
When you use the word "proportionality" are you referring to it's use in law or it's use in algebra?
How does "reflecting" on the fact that the US is the "biggest POS country in the world right now" help anyone other than folks like yourself? You're not convincing anyone of your views here. If you want to create change, you'd be wise to be a little more welcoming and a lot less hostile.
You are also welcome to reflect on the terror that the US has sown around the world - and at home - after 9/11.
That's not a response to my comment. I was talking about how hostile you generally are.
https://www.verywellmind.com/is-someone-gaslighting-you-4147470
https://www.verywellmind.com/is-someone-gaslighting-you-4147470
Whoa.. that is trippy. Though I may have had a few.
You remember it differently than I do. I thought it was "avocado."
...the bollocks
You? Broad tent?
Cranky as he may sound
Bitter as he may taste
There is fun in him to be found
And no times to waste
BC is always lovely based
At the risk of getting in trouble, maybe he, unlike you, likes the tent with the broads in it.
Just try it out man. Sure I dislike 90% of modern women and 100% of those who fail to listen but, yeah. Come on dude. Do it.
A porcine reenactment of Ben Hur.
I don't know which is creepier, your attitude towards women or your attitude towards gay people.
We all avoid our negative attributes and cast terms against them. Without revealing your fair weather logic or attempting to cast you as ignorant, which I know you're not.. I'm condemning modern society and to an extent men more than any one gender. You're smart. But as you know, you have more to learn.
What attitude towards gay people? If I like the color green and another man likes the color red, perhaps I will suggest he open himself to it. Is that not what 'gay people' suggest toward others? Again, much to learn. Thank you for the reply however.
Has Shawn seen Ben Hur?
I saw Ben Hur and read the book. Long time ago. "Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ by General Lew Wallace was published by Harper & Brothers on November 12, 1880. Wallace had been researching and writing the novel for seven years. He did most of his work underneath a beech tree near his residence in Crawfordsville, Indiana." It's a typical Jesus movie with added chariot races--the Formula One of the Roman world.
Writing under a beech tree--Fagus grandifolia, rather than Fagus sylvatica, the European version; that would account for it.
For those who haven't seen the movie:
Why, simply to actualize the point of philosophy itself, young Watson. To question what is believed, and on occasion to test it with real and purposeful action.
As a matter of fact... 3 years ago I was wearing red socks which this guy on the train noticed. He declared he had never worn red socks! (Meaning what? Was this some sort of obscure virtue-signal I had not heard of? Did he suspect me of being a communist? Maybe he thought bright red socks were kind of gay? Bright colors on men are kind of gay, if you ask this gay guy.)
As you recommended, I urged him to open himself to red socks. Solid, bright, red. Cotton, preferably.
IF some gay men urge others to try gay sex (if they are being serious as opposed to a 'ditch the bitch and switch' jokey) it is because they think the guy would if he had the courage. Courage? Sure. It takes courage for guilt-ridden, closeted homosexuals (who are still being produced by guilt-tripping repressive heterosexual families) to admit they are gay, and then take the necessary steps to actually have gay sex. It can be a daunting process to shed all the guilt, fears, and self-loathing that may have been installed.
So no, gay men generally don't advise straight men to try gay sex. They don't have to. Enough straight men are willing to have the right kind of gay sex with other men to produce a fair amount of traffic in the park, and several elsewheres. It's one more example of good old polymorphic perversity.
Read Tearoom Trade, the popular edition of Laud Humphrey's 1968 PhD thesis. It's about sex in public restrooms in St. Louis, Missouri. The men who engaged in man on man sex turned out to be pretty typical "middle class" working men with families.
If you look at the video the horses are running faster than 30 frames per second!
If you watch old movies, westerns and such, you'll see that effect often.
The history of the chariot is very interesting. Where did this race take place in the book--can't remember? Surely not in eastern provinces! The track in Rome did indeed involve a hairpin turn at each end of the oval.
My visions of him are either as Moses or head of the NRA. Neither very inspiring images for me. I always try to remember he was one of the earliest public supporters of the civil rights movement in the 1950s.
Probably on par for a genuine roman hippodrome event...
But, the audience was fed popcorn, not bread.
Although bread is good with circuses.
The Romans dipped their bread in fermented fish sauce (garum).
I can picture Heston saying "From my cold, dead hands" a lot easier than I can picture him saying "Power to the people!"
Patriots vs. Redskins if I remember correctly.
It is my understanding he put his career on the line to stand up for what he believed in.
At the risk of expulsion from this.. massive community I will post my current response as well as the immediate one I was about to post that was typed and just so happens to be here..
I thank you for your honesty and description. Yet I remain curious. You can understand that, right? An open public forum is neither the place nor setting for what you know I am about to ask, as it is a common stereotype against gay people, yet here I go. What was the worst thing you experienced at a young age and was it physical? You need not answer descriptively just to give a number rating. 1-10.
Have you ever (believed at the time you have) been sexually attracted to a female? Did it work out? Immediately? Long term? Experienced "heartbreak" as it were? Unrequited denial? Sorry, this is a bit personal but who knows.. in your honesty you may be paving the road for a lonely stranger just like you to "see the light", as it were. If you're brave enough. Are you?
Quoting Bitter Crank
I will, thank you, ignoring the latter part of the sentence. I suppose, what made you sure you were as other people (who are not you yet you conform to thus somewhat proving you were) say you were gay? Have you never had/were denied intimacy with a woman?
This is so ignorant, disrespectful. You shouldn’t be banned, but you should be embarrassed. Ashamed.
Of course.. some responses aren't worth dignifying with a reply.. if only I could've gotten away with that in school.
Edit: Also, what could be more ignorant than a knowledgeable person who believes they are right or "good" as it were failing to educate someone with lesser knowledge? Disrespectful? I treat all as equals, assuming they follow the laws and pay taxes, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong and therefore the other person has the higher ground of reality and so should pity me. There is no disrespect in either confirming one's beliefs if they happen to be right or questioning them if they may be wrong. Iron sharpens iron. What do you do?
Are you actually insinuating that homosexuality is a result of early trauma?
I'm suggesting that abnormal generally (but not necessarily) negative behaviours, mannerisms, and yes lifestyles perhaps may be the result of nurture vs. nature and/or that at the very least perhaps we don't know all there is to know about this thing we call the human brain let alone life itself.
I'm 28 for goodness sake. Cut me a break. You people are no fun. I'm going back to the conspiracy forums. At least they appreciate my wisdom or entertainingly obvious lack of it. Cheers, crank. Hope I make it to your age. I guess lol. Being religious I suppose I consider myself a spaceman.. :cheer:
And besides, not to cash in on my age too much but.. T Clark started it >.>
Let's just admit we were all stressed from the anniversary of 9/11 and weren't thinking rationally.
I didn't even want to post this reply nor remove any of my posts because I honestly don't feel I did anything wrong. I asked questions, that at worse betray my own ignorance and intolerance. No personal offense was ever intended, simply inquiry. Inappropriate as I now see it may have been. I'm an alcoholic ok, I got problems. Jeez people can be so uncaring.
:up:
Well where else is there to go to get your intellectual kicks online as it were, or learn some by seeing what you need to learn. This is a great place. Like all things in this world I don't assign any mortal necessity to it but.. perhaps he needs to be educated more. We (you, whatever) may be his last hope, a dying man in an ocean of ignorance, benighted to the core, and we need only but throw a single life ring, which is truth and compassionate wisdom toward him, to save a life. Who could say.
What do you think happens when your heart stops. Anything? Or simply death and lack of existence?
I always wondered how many email addresses you can get. Answer - a lot.
I think we should ban everyone from the Netherlands.
Quoting Outlander
Well, the usual things that happen to just about all children. playground injuries, sibling competition, being punished (mildly) for mischief and misdeeds, that sort of thing. There was no 'sexuality-defining trauma' in my childhood.
Did any of this influence sexual orientation? No. I don't subscribe to the theory that childhood experiences cause sexual orientation. I'm confident that it is set before birth -- not genetically like eye color, but biologically (interaction of hormones in utero). That goes for gays and straights alike.
How one experiences sexuality, and what happens to us along the way of growing up shapes HOW we are sexual. But then, EVERYTHING that happens to us along the way of growing up shapes us. For instance, how much risk are we willing to take? How deep are the ruts we get stuck in? How sociable are we? and so on.
Most children experience sexual interests which tend to remain throughout life. So, young children who experience heterosexual interests are highly likely to still be heterosexual after puberty. Same for homosexual interests.
A big wrinkle: It's often enough not all one or the other. As Alfred Kinsey and others have shown, sexuality ranges between 0 and 6, [the "Kinsey Scale"] 0 being exclusively heterosexual, 6 being exclusively homosexual. A small percentage of the population (2.5%) are exclusively homosexual -- that's the group I fit into. Zero interest in heterosexual experience. Never so much as a twitch.
The largest part of the population are exclusively heterosexual--hence steady population growth. A diminishing percentage of people are a combination--the more varied the sexual experiences an individual has (say, 70% heterosexual, 30% homosexual) the smaller the group of similar people he fits into. Again, most people are heterosexual and same-sex experiences do not figure significantly into their lives.
Quoting Outlander
There are several light bulbs on the ceiling, which one is "THE light"?
Let's say that "seeing the light" is recognizing what is most congruent with one's desires, what makes one happy. In other words more, 'do what you like' and less 'do what others expect you to do'. I was brave enough, and in the last 50 years I have met many other people who were also brave enough.
Not that finding one's way to what will make one happy is a snap for everyone. Many people have difficulty finding the right partner(s) at the right time and the right place in their lives. Hence all the unhappiness.
There you go, being all reasonable and stuff.
This reminds me of something.
I'm in synagogue at a bar mitzvah and there were a bunch of obviously not Jewish kids in the back rows who had come to see their friend's bar mitzvah, who likely knew exactly one Jewish kid, and so the rabbi went back there before service began and welcomed them and told them how the service worked .
Of course no explanation was owed, and I'm sure there were some kids who had views very much opposed to the rabbi's, but I was comforted by that moment as a member there. We're all ambassadors whether we like it or not and there are all sorts of people who have never seen anything outside their small circle, so sometimes providing an explanation when it is not owed can be inspiring moment of outreach.
Quoting Hanover
I understand what you're saying. Although my comment was intended to be amusing, it was not intended to be critical.
Yeah, dull, dull, dull.
Those kids will probably remember that for the rest of their lives. That's really cool.
My University Sacrificed Ideas for Ideology. So Today I Quit.
[sup]The more I spoke out against the illiberalism that has swallowed Portland State University, the more retaliation I faced.[/sup]
[i]Peter Boghossian
Sep 8, 2021[/i]
Did Boghossian just alienate everyone? Pull irresponsible stunts? Fuel creepy reactionaries? Point at a legitimate problem? Do what had to be done? Justifiably harass postmodernism? Give philosophy/journals a bad name? All of that? Something else?
I've come across people having (ab)used Boghossian's goings-and-doings as proof that peer-reviewing (as an assurance method) doesn't work in general, and therefore scientific findings aren't trustworthy. A bit hyperbolic, yet such (ab)uses can apparently feed anti-science sentiments.
Values based on evidence eh? I'm not sure that is a good idea...
He got involved in some reactionary activism that blew up in his face. That doesn't absolve the other side of blame, but he comes across as rather whiney and pathetic.
I don't keep up with this stuff, but I do have a little more than a passing awareness of it. (Read some articles, watched some videos.) I've actually been struggling with one little corner of the issue in a very practical way for quite some time now, with no solution.
I work at a Barnes & Noble. I think a lot about how to classify and arrange books. We have a sort of catchall section that's labeled "Social Sciences" that does include books you'd think of social science. (Whenever we have Weber, that's where he goes.) But if a book advocates for a particular policy position, I lean toward pushing that book over to the "Current Affairs" section. There are data-driven analyses there too -- and lots of political and ideological bloviating -- but if they reach conclusions and make recommendations, I consider the presence of research or evidential support secondary to the purpose of the book. It's participating in a different conversation from what I think of as social science.
But I can't do that, because if I did, I'd be moving, I don't know, 80% of the books in the "Social Science" section over to "Current Affairs". Almost everything we carry is advocacy. There may or may not be research attached; obviously there's generally something like analysis; but the vast majority of books there are not dispassionate or scientific in any traditional sense -- they don't aspire to be -- and the heavily theoretical ones of course will argue that there's no such thing.
It's all a very strange result, because traditional sociologists very often did research on inequality or race or gender precisely because they saw injustice and wanted people to understand it so that something could be done about it. But we've shifted now to theory being entirely in the service of praxis, and the "understanding" step, where you might do careful research, is treated as no longer necessary -- or rather, it's assumed that we already know exactly what the problem is and enough with the time-wasting research already.
I understand that point of view, and I also understand that my understanding of it is limited in ways I won't always recognize as someone who enjoys relative privilege in my society. I understand that the old model of sociology I described was largely, but not exclusively, a matter of middle-class white people trying to understand things they don't themselves have to experience everyday. But it was still an effort to understand the world, and I have trouble throwing that away.
Can you renew my rewards card for me? I think it's expired.
Soulshine by The Allman brothers with Government Mule
Ave Maria - Pavarotti and Bono Latin and English lyrics respectively
Thank You - Led Zeppelin
Ripple - The Grateful Dead
Thank you for asking :flower:
Now, do you think you can handle the booking when it's time?
I'm not an expert but I am studying social work and there is a LOT of focus on the current state of affairs. The cultural competency expected of me is VERY different from the culture I consider myself blessed to have been raised in.
One major change, has been a slow turn over generations, is that of racism in my family. There have been a lot of contributing factors and I am pushing the boundaries of my upbringing, to be mindfully aware of the inequality that exists today and how fluid it can appear but the unequally levels rise "unequally", respectively.
"I'm not sure if that makes sense but if it doesn't, let me know and I will try to add more words." xz_Joel
:flower:
Where the hell is Jim Jordan? :brow:
John Bayner wasn't even gone a day before he found a lucrative deal in Cannabis.
:groan:
I'll give you half a scone from the Starbucks or however much I don't eat.
As it happens, this is the best bookstore Athens has ever had, and we're not responsible for the death of the best bookstore Atlanta ever had. They would have mismanaged themselves into bankruptcy without any help from us.
Fight! Fight! Fight!
Atlanta?
This man can only do one thing to correct what he has fucked up during his term for California and that is to say:
"I officially resign." Period. Full Stop.
BUT the man does not posses enough self respect to gracefully step down.
~donning her toga and Laurel leaf crown~
:flower: Peace :victory: Love :heart: Happiness :sparkle:
Oh. NYC. It's on another planet. It's so weird you can get there by just staying on I-95.
That's no fun.
You're referring to Oxford Books in Peachtree Battle?
Bulldawg nation wreaks havoc.
Boof! Did you see that in the Western sky?
You just made my head explode :scream:
AND you knew it would!
@Baden permission to thwap 180
There's an old joke about an AI that can converse with anyone on the proper level, just punch in the age and IQ, and it might talk high-energy physics or current events or Pokemon, depending. When you put in the lowest number it will accept, it just says "How 'bout them dawgs!"
More pig abuse. I'm going to contact the ASPCP.
*Pig grows very jubilant!*
Be good pig.
A neat read for the so inclined.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/out-the-darkness/201308/the-real-meaning-good-and-evil?amp=
Boghossian's stunt fallouts are unfortunate, yet, that aside, I'm guessing that some publishers/journals have been doing some soul-searching subsequently. Wouldn't that be appropriate anyway...?
In other words, Boghossian may or may not have pointed a possible problem out, regardless of the rest, hence a catch-22-alike situation?
(briefly considered opening a new thread about this noisy stuff, but no bother)
Dog smiles. More pigs, more bacon. Drools. Licks chops.
So his "provocations" strike me as pretty weak tea. (I've read a little of his buddies work -- over at Quillette -- and it's very axe-grindy. Jonathan Haidt is more interesting than these jokers.) Why on earth would anyone be so threatened by them? Or were they? Or do we care?
What are your thoughts about Joseph Conrad?
I don't think "Release the hounds" came from the Simpsons. It was a familiar phrase to me when I first heard it. The video clip makes me happy I never watched "Game of Thrones."
Case closed. @Bitter Crank
"Heart of Darkness" is my favorite novel.
The conduct of Belgian King Leopold's colonial project in the Congo was appalling, even by contemporary standards of colonialism. Extremely harsh and dehumanizing.
Actually, it is quite possible to find early uses of popular expressions that seem to have been invented later. What? Hounds never needed to be released until 1989? Unlikely.
Woodward/Costa book: Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took secret action to protect nuclear weapons (Sep 14, 2021)
[quote=in Julius Caesar by Shakespeare]Cry "Havoc!", and let slip the dogs of war.[/quote]
I put that in my stuff thread. Link
Per Mr Wikipedia, the original "dogs of war" weren't animals. It was a mechanism used for holding things back. So "letting slip the dogs of war" meant releasing social machinery that keeps violence in check.
-- Augustine in [I]The Literal Meaning of Genesis[/I]
My dogs ripped the clothes off the pet sitter. She came to just feed some happy dogs, but ended up naked and afraid and locked in a room. After her boss came and set her loose, she said she was done with that job. I called my son and asked if he'd do it and he said he would, but he instead talked his girlfriend into coming over and doing it for him. The dogs knew her better, so they just jumped on her and pissed her off, but they left her dressed.
My dogs are the original dogs of war. All else are substitutes.
This story gets worse every time you tell it. She'll eventually be buried alive in an unmarked grave.
Literally, "a domesticated carnivorous mammal that typically has a long snout, an acute sense of smell, nonretractable claws, and a barking, howling, or whining voice."
noun: dog; plural noun: dogs
1.
a domesticated carnivorous mammal that typically has a long snout, an acute sense of smell, nonretractable claws, and a barking, howling, or whining voice.
Similar:
canine
hound
mongrel
cur
tyke
bitch
pup
puppy
whelp
doggy
pooch
mutt
pupper
doggo
man's best friend
Rover
Fido
mong
bitzer
a wild animal of the dog family.
the male of an animal of the dog family, or of some other mammals such as the otter.
"a dog fox"
2.
DEROGATORY
an unpleasant, contemptible, or wicked man.
"come out, Michael, you dog!"
DATED
used to refer to a person of a specified kind in a tone of playful reproof, commiseration, or congratulation.
"you lucky dog!"
used in various phrases to refer to someone who is abject or miserable, especially because they have been treated harshly.
"I make him work like a dog"
OFFENSIVE
a woman regarded as unattractive.
DEROGATORY
a thing of poor quality; a failure.
"a dog of a movie"
3.
a mechanical device for gripping.
4.
INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
feet.
"if only I could sit down and rest my tired dogs"
5.
short for firedog.
verb
verb: dog; 3rd person present: dogs; past tense: dogged; past participle: dogged; gerund or present participle: dogging
1.
follow (someone or their movements) closely and persistently.
"photographers seemed to dog her every step"
Similar:
pursue
follow
stalk
track
trail
shadow
hound
plague -- "dogged by Covid"
beset
bedevil
assail
beleaguer
blight
trouble
torment
haunt
tail
(of a problem) cause continual trouble for.
"their finance committee has been dogged by controversy"
2.
INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
act lazily; fail to try one's hardest.
"Eric had a reputation for dogging it a little"
3.
grip (something) with a mechanical device.
"she has dogged the door shut"
And then, there are "the dog days of summer"...
I was staring at a cloud and started wondering how people figured out that they're made of water. Turns out some people probably understood the relationship between clouds and rain as far back as 1000 BC., but others believed they were solid. The idea of angels sitting on clouds goes back to folklore that the gods of Olympus walked around on clouds. (Both angels and Olympian gods were believed to be solid matter, not the type of thing that floats.)
The insight that clouds are not solid, arrived at 1000 BC and later, is astonishing, The same for the idea that the earth is a globe -- also an ancient insight, and somehow calculating its circumference close to the actual number was amazing.
In the spirit of exhaustive accounts, one should add Deborah Harry's distinction:
"I am your dog but not your pet."
Hey, Marco. Time to stop.
I agree. Do you think people are getting smarter due to the internet and video games? Or are we just the same as ever?
Yeah, I know. One in the night. Dog bitch Bo jumping me. Bitch Els calling me to come to bed. I had my kicks for today.
Seems like the fact that clouds might not be solid could be clear to anyone who lived in the mountains or who was familiar with fog. As for the curvature of the earth, if you travel on the ocean, things in the distance are not visible because they're below the horizon. As you get closer, they rise above the horizon.
Be kind to them. Keep in mind, they're only Dutch, they can't help it.
Welcome to The Philosophy Forum :flower:
Polo!!!!
:cool:
I hope Katilyn Jenner stays around and runs for office. :100:
It is ironic that the athletes are being charged with using a "performance enhancing drug" which will be argued that there is no way cannabis would "help" or enhance an athletes performance.
While that may be the best approach to getting the charge dismissed or changing it for the future games, it is ironic as fuck.
It will only take a couple of years for the games to understand that if Cannabis is used to treat the bodies system, as opposed to using it to treat a temporary symptom like depression from the loss of a loved one.
Microdosing RSO is the way to treat the body as we know it today but it is very much evolving and fluid in it's research.
Exciting for those who are following the science :eyes:
Yeah. Too bad she didn't win. Her election would have been a real milestone - First woman, first transgender, first Kardashian.
From up and down and still somehow
It's cloud illusions I recall
I really don't know clouds at all[/i]
Pythagoras was the first person to float the idea that the earth was a sphere. Empedocles and Anaxagoras added to Pythagoras, and then Eratosthenes finished it off.
Pythagoras reasoned that since the moon was round, it followed that the earth was round too. Anaxagoras and Empedocles observed that during an eclipse the shadow of the earth falling on the moon was round. (Noticing that the shadow is round isn't the achievement; it's identifying where the shadow came from (sun casting earth's shadow onto the moon during the eclipse). Aristotle noticed the gradual disappearance of ships as they sailed away from port.
Eratosthenes figured out what the circumference of the planet was. He had heard that in Syene, a city south of Alexandria, no vertical shadows were cast at noon on the summer solstice. The sun was directly overhead. He wondered if this were also true in Alexandria. It was not.
So, on June 21 he planted a stick directly in the ground in Alexandria and waited to see if a shadow would be cast at noon. It turns out there was one. And it measured about 7 degrees.
Eratosthenes, using nothing more than shadows and working alongside a team of bematists, (professional surveyors) in ancient Greece. His estimate of 250,000 stadia (28,738 miles or 46,250 kilometers) is close to Earth's actual circumference of 24,902 miles (40,075 kilometers) if measured at the equator.
So, a combination of observation and mathematics.
Having lots of information available (literacy, libraries, leisure, internet, etc.) can make one seem pretty bright, even if one is closer to dull-normal. Do video games contribute useful information? Or are they treadmills of the mind (on which one gets better at treadmills)?
IQ tests show an upward trend, but I see no practical evidence that people are getting smarter. if anything, we see abundant evidence that 80% of our species are as fucking stupid as they ever were, and only we 20% already smart apes are getting smarter.
:lol:
It takes a village.
He's back, again. @Nosferatu
Anonymous leaks gigabytes of data from alt-right web host Epik (Sep 15, 2021)
Quoting Ax Sharma
The institution of higher learning CONFIRMED for me, last year, that Algebra was the last math class that I would be required to take for my Social Work degree.
So what do you suppose showed up on my educational path? Economics. ECONOMICS!
Economics is MATH in disguise! :brow:
Or are we talking about linear algebra?
If you are Gus, please let me know :flower:
Yes, Linear Algebra in college and no to Algebra in high school. I mean, yes, technically I took Algebra in high school but my teacher was also the wrestling coach and I bake phenomenal cookies! :love:
Hmm... I wonder where the coach is these days :flower:
Sounds like economics will be easy peasy lemon squeezey for ya.
It's sour, zesty and down right testy! :shade:
(And now I'm puzzled that you had to take linear algebra. I mean, for a social scientist, sure, but for social work? Are they using it as a sieve?)
I'm not puzzled as they throw a lot of bs classes in when achieving your Associates Degree(s) I would guess because it is preparing you for any Bachelor's degree. So I graduated with dual Associates Degrees so I can graduate with two bachelor's degrees. Bachelor's degree in Social work and a Bachelor's degree in communication.
Btw since when does a curve (economic or not) not actually bend? Isn't that what defines a curve?
And God in Heaven help me if your answer contains anything about the Cartesian plane :monkey:
For a social worker dealing with poor people who don't have much, she won't have much to add up, so she might not even need math at all. She might need to learn how to divide things up pretty good though.
It's a plus sign on a piece of graph paper. Hope this helps with your exam.
A line has curvature of 0, I believe. Mathematicians sometimes call something like that the "degenerate" case -- the way in everyday life you might say that McDonald's is "technically food".
Not sure if I told you this, but I had a pet sitter come over, and there was an attack of some sort, blood all over the floorboards, but now the dog gave birth to half human half dog centaurs, so something freaky went down during the wrestling match. I thought the pet sitter was female, but now not so sure.
True story.
Jesus Christ on a Popsicle Stick. :scream:
That doesn't make any sense Clark. How could there be a second opinion if there was no first opinion? Covid tests don't produce opinions.
Turns out that Joe's idea of a "unanimous decision" is as solid as Trump's appeal to his own authority.
Where is @SapientiasLittleHelper when you need him? :rofl:
I asked for a second opinion too. They said, “It’s not an opinion, the test results are factual.”
So I asked for a second fact. They said, “Sure, you’re stupid.”
Where the hell is a moderator when you need one!
:joke:
:zip: if I wasn't such a lady, I would be tempted to tell you where to put that graph paper and what to measure with it
List complete?
What brought that on? Did you have an unfortunate conflict with a saguaro cactus?
Maybe try Voyeurs National Park, or Fluid Borders National Wilderness in Minnesota?
Heard of Rosalee Sorrels?
Long, long ago I heard Rosalie Sorrels and U Utah Phillips playing at Passim in Cambridge MA.
It was stuff like "Folksongs of the Anthracite Coal Miners" or "Folksongs of Nebraska." This was "real folk music", sung by the folk, sometimes not so nice to hear. Her album had been recorded in the 60s (must have been) when she had a young, strong voice.
Hear! Hear!
Bonjour
@Hanover
I honestly kind of feel sorry for this guy who keeps joining and getting banned; like 10 times now? It feels kind of cruel on our end now. Maybe ten trips to purgatory is enough to pull a delinquent from the jaws of hell?
Think you might count again. And take a look at his posts. Why you would defend such an obnoxious twat is beyond me.
I don't care to try to remember all his aliases, I just remember noticing that they were clearly him and that the tone of each alias was increasingly a little less annoying. He seemed like a troubled, lonely dude, so I'm just imagining being that way and then getting banned over and over. Try googling the word "empathy" and sit for a bit with it.
I'm also glad I'm not a mod; I'm even more glad that you're not one either.
@Shawn I found you some new friends!
Sorry, I forgot the tag: the site would be a computer program otherwise.
Who is it, Banno?
Most likely.
I know Leo G Carroll was over a barrel when Tarantula took to the hills.
Jesus H. Christ:
"The earliest use of the phrase is unknown, but in his autobiography, Mark Twain (1835–1910) observed that it was in general use even in his childhood.[3] Twain refers to an episode from 1847, when he was working as a printer's apprentice; Roger Smith (1994) tells the tale thus:
" [Twain] recounts a practical joke a friend played on a revival preacher when Twain was an apprentice in a printing shop that Alexander Campbell, a famous evangelist then visiting Hannibal, hired to print a pamphlet of his sermon. While checking the galleys, Twain's fellow apprentice, Wales McCormick, found he had to make room for some dropped words, which he managed by shortening Jesus Christ on the same line to J. C. As soon as Campbell had read the proofs, he swept indignantly into the shop and commanded McCormick, "So long as you live, don't you ever diminish the Savior's name again. Put it all in." The puckish McCormick obeyed, and then some: he set Jesus H. Christ and printed up all the pamphlets.[4][5]
"Smith suggests (1994:331-2) that "Jesus H. Christ" is a specifically American profanity, and indicates that at least in his experience it is uttered primarily by men. Quinion (2009), a British author, likewise specifies the phrase as belonging to American English.
Stress pattern
"Multiple authors emphasize the practice of placing a strong stress on the "H", relating it in various ways to expletive infixation. Thus Quinion writes:
" Its long survival must have a lot to do with its cadence, and the way that an especially strong stress can be placed on the H. You might also think of it as an example of emphatic infixing that loosely fits the models of words like abso-bloody-lutely or tribu-bloody-lation.[6]
"Similar remarks were made by the linguist Dwight Bolinger, who mentions "Jesus H. Christ" in a discussion of the strategies used by English speakers to add additional stresses to "highly charged words" for purposes of emphasis.[7] Horberry suggests "The strong emphasis on the H somehow improves the rhythm of its host phrase."[8] The Green's Dictionary of Slang says "the H is redundant other than for rhythm".[9]
--wiki on Jesus H. Christ
I have seen things I've never seen before.
To me, the amusing thing about the "H" is that it implies there might be more than one Jesus Christ. That if I'm not specific enough, you might be confused.
Jesus Hawkeye Christ
Jesus Homer Christ
Jesus Hotspur Christ
Jesus Heathcliff Christ
Jesus Hopalong Christ
Jesus Hovannes Christ
Jesus Hitoshi Christ
Jesus Halvor Christ
Jesus Hardon Christ
or
Jesus Himmelfarb Christ
Humberto?
Why don't we say "Jesus Christ(mas)"?
Why don't we say Jesus Christmas? Because 'Christ - mas' means "mass for Christ" -- the mass offered on December 25, traditional (not literal) birthdate of Jesus.
Jesus wasn't called Jesus, either. His name in Hebrew is 'Yeshua"; the English version of Yeshua is Joshua. So, Mary and Joseph told Joshua to eat his vegetables before he could have dessert.
Where did "Jesus" come From?
Jesus is the Greek pronunciation of Joshua, or Iesous -- yay soos. (ie in Greek = y, later j)
What does Greek have to do with all this? Greek is the language in which we received the Gospels. Actually, the most complete ancient version of the OT is also in Greek. You can thank Alexander the Great et al for that.
Where did the word "mass" come from?
Bored to tears yet?
Do you know the difference between "immaculate conception" and "virgin birth"? I'm not Catholic, but I did see the play, "Sister Mary Ignatius Explains It All for You" around 40 years ago.
No. Tears of joy! I didn't know Greek was "the original". Then again, the whole "concept" of ine super god comes from Xenophanes, though all cultures have a form of god(s). Like the native Americans.
Entering and exiting?
That would be Feliz Navidad! :love:
How do you pronounce Jesus speaking English as opposed to pronouncing Jesus in Spanish?
One is Geezus and the other is Heysuss....
Anyone?
You missed Jesus Hanover Christ :rofl:
José Feliciano!
She explained emaculate conception? Does God's penis enter the story somehow?
"Jesus" spelled with a hard "J" is a late development, 17th century. J was invented to distinguish a consonantal "ie" or "j" sound from the vowel "i" sound.
The original KJV of the Bible spelled Jesus "Iesus"; later Jesus.
Mary became pregnant thanks to the good offices of the Angel Gabriel who, at least that one time, had a heavenly hard on. After Mary gave birth, she was still a virgin. Apparently Mary remained virginal even after she and Joseph had hatched out Jesus' siblings. Yes, Jesus had siblings. Talk about the sibling rivalry in that family!
What? I'm always lost in the meanings of the posts in the lounge. :rage:
This sacred oath is recited upon annointment of all moderators:
“Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.”
Philippians 4:5
More moderation, please.
Per the Kalam Infinite Spooge Argument.
I agree
Jesus was a quite moderate guy though. Could turn the water he walked into wine.
Gee! The youtube vid "Matrix 4 is NOT WhatYouThink" has a voice-over that's too good to be true. The intonation is the same for every sentence! Neo has my hair. They called me even John Wick 2 on the streets...
No. It enters the holy virgins.
It's Karl Johnson playing the part of Wittgenstein in the film of that name.
W. in despair at finding out what the gesture of contempt - flicking the V sign - meant.
The implications for his theory.
When asked what he was going to do for the rest of his life:
W: " Well, I'll start by committing suicide"
" Champagne before you go ?"
W: " I'd love a cuppa tea"....
From:
Wittgenstein (Derek Jarman) - Interview with Karl Johnson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiKQdABq91E
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Apparently W also said:
'Philosophy is such a by-product of misunderstanding language'.
Does this mean you're not going to return to the thread you started ?
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/11835/an-analysis-of-the-shadows
Do you think it's a waste of time ? Hope not. Look forward to your responses...
Quoting Amity
Quoting National Gallery of Art
Did he miss the target? Eyes on the forehead? Oh yes. It was a Christian...
Yes, this pig is jubilant...
Trippy.
Have you ever been to electric bananaland?
Who is your favorite band?
We watched The Social Dilemma (2020) the other day, which may shed light on some of these things. Has an impressive cast, and some interesting insights, though some findings are a bit overplayed.
At least ...
Fact-checking works to undercut misinformation in many countries (Sep 12, 2021)
If only the volumes of crap didn't move entire societies...
What does she mean?
It's just a pig, ok?
Okay. No offense. I'll leave you to her...
Sorry, it's just a happy pig. :blush:
I been out of circulation for a while. Anything good happening?
Never do anything to yourself or another that you would be embarrassed to explain to an Emergency room Doctor :joke:
She's right in that the records of your "activity" that brought you to the ER will be kept for years. :gasp:
Oh but the entertainment factor will be wild! :cool:
My niece, who works as an ER surgeon, reports that a surprising number of people go to the ER because they can't remove an object from their rectum.
We just collected all the cabbage from the field.
Tasty cabbage.
Any philosophers? You can tell because the stuck object is their heads.
New gravitational wave detector picks up possible signal from the beginning of time (Sep 17, 2021)
Mysterious, Never-Before-Seen Signals Picked Up By New Gravitational Wave Detector (Sep 21, 2021)
(original paper linked in there)
Delicious and nutritious. Sorry I missed the harvest.
In the second article:
"High-frequency gravitational wave sources in the more recent past could include hypothetical objects such as boson stars and primordial black holes. These waves could even be produced by clouds of dark matter. So astronomers would be deeply interested in detecting these signals."
What about primordial black holes constituting dark matter? They have all the qualifications. Point-like (well, almost) and interacting by gravity only. Any thoughts on this?
C'est les vendanges! Grape harvesting season here in France.
A lot of marijuana being harvested here in California. :cool:
My brother and I visited France and Germany in 2014. I especially remember the drive along the Mosel/Moselle. Vineyards on the hillsides on impossibly steep slopes. Men and women on the slopes picking. Grapes brought down using moped/monorails. Wine in outdoor restaurants along the river. One of my fondest memories.
You know what would be cool? Make two more posts on anything you want, then never post again. Let future members wonder what happened. Then you can open another account under the name Sra Ptasmaner. I'm sure the moderators would let you do that for such a good member and such a good cause.
Post something in the Ongoing Tractatus Logic Philosophicus Reading Group thread.
Dark energy might be neither particle nor field (Sep 22, 2021)
You could write about how 3,000 is 1,8A0 in duodecimal, that duodecimal is objectively superior to decimal, that 1,8A0 isn't a significant number, and so that one's 3,000th post isn't worth celebrating.
I'm not fun.
Perhaps not.
So you won't be at all tempted by a fun quiz, then. Neither am I. No way.
Robots, Russians and rock’n’roll – take the Thursday quiz !
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/sep/23/the-guardian-thursday-quiz-general-knowledge-topical-news-trivia-23-september
Dark energy can just be inherent negative curvature, without particles, gravitons with negative energy, to cause this. DE is different though from DM. The latter can consist out of primordial black holes. No exotic particles required.
Are you talking about a cosmological constant?
Yes. The cause of galaxies accelerating away from each other.
I went to Paris several years ago and they had an Eiffel tower like they have in Vegas.
The one in Paris is twice as tall.
They're always trying to outdo us.
When one goes to Las Vegas, one's size is doubled.
The towers are the same size.
I have this vision of you running around Paris and Las Vegas with your penis out comparing it to the Eiffel Tower.
I was planning on just using my shoulder height.
I have tried measuring things the other way but ran into spots of bother.
Not everyone understands an inquiring nature upon first contact.
Oh, good. I was worried we'd have to come bail you out.
We also have a Parthenon.
I see that I will have to rent an RV to resolve these problems of actual size.
The unit is established against something that is not a unit.
The most trustworthy not unit will prevail.
@Sir2u
Could you please help me out here?
I'm not sure if I am getting it :chin:
The correct length for social distancing?
This is all Hanover's fault. I wrote that I'd gone to France and Germany in 2014. Hanover wrote that they have an Eiffel Tower in Paris just like the one in Las Vegas. I wrote that the one in Paris is twice as tall as the one in Vegas. Valentinus indicated that the towers were the same size, but that people grow bigger in Vegas. I asked what part of the body he was using to check. That's how we got here.
It's a bit like syphilis, you may not know when you get it, and you may have trouble getting shot of it, if you do.
And you may go mad.
So I'm to understand that you're insinuating that men use their penis as a measuring stick and climb along side the Eiffel tower and use that measurement to determine the size of the Eiffel tower, obviously adjusting for variations in arousal along the way?
That just seems so cumbersome and inaccurate. Why wouldn't we use something that at least maintained its length, like gonad size?
Like Tiff, I'm just not sure I'm getting it.
I insinuated nothing. I stated it directly:
Quoting T Clark
Note that I did not refer to men in general, only to Valentinus.
My apologies. You are correct. I didn't mean to get between you and Valentinus' penis. Carry on.
I'm literally laughing to the point of crying.
Thank you! I needed it! :flower:
Hanover, Valentinus' penis, and I are always happy to be of service.
One of nature’s key constants is much larger in a quantum material (Sep 21, 2021)
Constant and larger in the same sentence? :) (of course there's much more to it, just reads a bit odd)
Quoting Valentinus
Yep, I think he means "Keep away from me". It might be a good idea, especially if he is running around with his dongle out. :wink:
My original contribution to the problem of vertical measurement has devolved into a horizontal dimension. Perhaps that is an edifying lesson on the problem of civilization per se.
DaVinci's Notebook will now carry on.
lol. what be goin on, @everyone ?
Welcome back :flower:
It sounds life has been challenging. We are here for you if you want to share.
We might be a refuge but not your last.
Remember to try not drink, ponder and then debate. Rather stay here or in the lounge while buzzed, as you know these two places are safer than the main forum discussion pages. :up:
Hey, @Yohan, was that your discussion?
Yes. I imagine its deletion was because I didn't state any particular position, provide arguments, nor ask some kind of question to spark discussion.
If its ok with the mods I'll start a new discussion in The Lounge with a stated intention for it to be a place to drop inspiring and or practical life advices.
Threads with a lot less going on in the OP have been left in place. It doesn't make sense. What about my deep and insightful words of wisdom? Lost to posterity.
Would that not just be something that is relative to the base of the objects position or even the age of the object? Older things do tend to be more horizontal than vertical.
@Wosret agree?
Theories of Everything, Mapped (Aug 3, 2015)
(As usual, don't take the word "Everything" too literally.)
Frans Hals: The Male Portrait is at the Wallace Collection, London, until 30 January 2022
Travelling from New York to London.
Quoting Guardian - The Male Portrait Review - painting as performance art
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2021/sep/26/frans-hals-the-male-portrait-wallace-collection-review-painting-as-performance-art
Now that was clever and funny. Love it. Really 'felt' it :gasp:
Gotta be mysterious, or otherwise undiscoverable because they can't allow you to forget about it, and you can't forget about things that you don't understand. Positive and negative effect towards you is life and death, attention and forgetting about you is life and death.
I'm not throwing shade when I say that this Doc, Dr. Amen, has a different approach to addiction then the AA or 12 step program that I have been reading about.
Private message me if you are interested. :flower:
I hear LSD works great. It depatterns the mind, though you may see stars for a while. :starstruck:
Wosret -- missed ya.
lol.
This fellow? https://quackwatch.org/research-projects/amen/
You can see it on the right arm and I've put the left for comparison.
I got it at the gym. It didn't snap or bruise and it doesn't hurt.
Yes, and those guns are for real.
Woo hoo :party:
I might need to fire my personal security if those "guns" are available!
I had something similar a couple of months ago. Apparently there’s a condition colloquially known as Popeye’s elbow. Something to do with minor damage to the bursa and fluid buildup. It went away in a couple of days, followed by bruising. Never hurt but freaky as hell.
Quoting Hanover
No idea but could be this ? Distal bicep tendonitis ?
Probably best get it checked out but it looks more like an inflammation or swelling than a lump, as such..
Quoting Distal bicep tendonitis
Edit to add:
A sports physiotherapist should be able to diagnose and treat.
Quoting Livestrong
https://www.livestrong.com/article/193511-distal-bicep-tendon-rehabilitation-exercises/
Hopefully, it's something less serious - given that you don't seem to be in any pain...
I don't need to go to a doctor because you guys were able to diagnose me and offer me treatment options. I get most of my treatment in the Shoutbox.
You know best :wink:
Then again... :chin:
I'm with @praxis. Clearly spinach is the answer.
Internally or externally ? Hot or cold ? :chin:
Yes.
That's happened to me a couple of times. The first time, I was freaked out.
I think I read at the time that it can be caused by pressure on the elbow, like when you're sitting with your elbows on a desk like I always am.
Hot internal. Hmmm...
Go Hanover :kiss:
We see that occasionally in the emergency room. Without steroids it progresses to a squinty eye, a corn cob pipe, and a sailor's hat.
My dog gets those from lying around.
:lol:
Popeye: I'm strong to the finish cos I eats me spinach...
Olive Oyl: Here I come...
Popeye | Strong to the Finish | Boomerang Official
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FNXh1tTJ7c
Olive was there - long before Popeye.
Exactly.
And it isn't a result of exercise. Just the opposite.
If your gym is any good at all, the trainers should spot what you got.
Weight training can cause swelling of the arm, not the kind of bulge you were aiming for !
Unless there are other S&S, or if the swelling persists, there's no cause for concern, apparently...
IF you are sensible, you will rest it and not put your arm under any more strain.
And try Pilates instead :cool:
https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/exercise/guide-to-pilates/
Just to be clear, you're saying lance it and see what's in it?
Only if you wanna see some 'puss-y' :lol:
Not that kind of a swelling but...if you get lucky...
Seriously:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/tendonitis/
Seen it before. Not pretty. True story.
If you'll put it in the microwave for five minutes at high power, I think that'll take care of it. You'll have to put tape over the latch since you'll have to keep the door open.
:groan:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/bursitis/
Read and learn, maybe ?
Also this:
https://www.webmd.com/arthritis/olecranon-bursitis
EDIT: But yes, I see that self-drainage is not mentioned as a treatment.
Yeah, it happened to me after unusual circumstances where I had been putting prolonged pressure on my elbows. Didn’t notice it until my elbow brushed against something.
@Hanover, I’d recommend using free weights at the gym, if you’re not. More natural than machines or other gizmos and you’ll be less prone to injury. Plus you can build mussel quicker so those Olive Oyl arms will be looking more manly in no time.
Well, I hadn't heard of either. We live and learn, huh.
Just for Popeye, who is who he is:
Prevention is better than cure :cool:
The mind boggles :gasp:
@Hanover
I forgot to mention - since you're leaving the door to the microwave open, you'll have to wrap the rest of your body in aluminum foil. Move your goats at least 20 feet from the house.
Same here :grin:
Depends on the size and shape of the pads.
You could have fun with bubble wrap ?
But that's another story...
Maybe @praxis.
Sure, but surely not during working hours. I may work from home, but I'm not that decadent.
Edit: oh, wait, they're muscles.
"You guys sure are swell", she [s]drawls[/s] drools...
:scream: :yum:
That's "musckles."
Went for a surf and at the last minute switched to a warmer wetsuit because I remembered the water had been unusually cold the day before. It slipped my mind to get the waterproof spare key out of the springsuit. Returning to the car later I realized that I had locked myself out. So I bummed a cell phone and called my wife (the only phone number that I could recall) to bring another spare key. She didn’t get the message for a couple of hours so I was left waiting around in a fullsuit trying hard to not look like an idiot. Had to be in a spot where I could flag her down whenever she got there, and that was a grass covered area near the road. Sat and layed in few positions but most put pressure on the elbows, some direct pressure.
Fortunately I don’t plan on ever doing that again.
That was bad.
Saliva surely is a wonderful thing. For sure :wink:
Licking wounds...
Yeah, I wondered if it was a deliberate Shirley moment.
See, I thought the opposite. The dumbbells require more strength and control, but the machines make you keep things aligned. In any event, I use both, so I can get the problems from both.
I did a lot of cardio for a long time and then my knee started hurting, so I started lifting weights and I think I pushed things too quickly. Then I noticed that bump on my arm and I started thinking I'd go back to more cardio.
It might have to do with my age. Nah, can't be it.
Christmas will soon be here. @Baden will be Santa...
Why do it ?
Listen to me. One word. Pilates.
From - http://www.creightonpt.com/pilates
'But how does Pilates compare to strength training? Does it count as resistance training or cardio? While both Pilates and weight lifting may benefit your health, they have entirely different goals and require different movement patterns.
Let's take a closer look at Pilates versus strength training and how to choose the best approach for your needs...
If, say, you have back pain or bad knees and can't do squats and deadlifts, you could consider practising Pilates instead. However, there are strength training exercises like the Kettlebell swing and Reverse hyper that can assist. So do what you can with free weights and strengthen your core and back muscles with Pilates.
Sports injuries and repetitive strain injuries, like tennis elbow or tendonitis, can interfere with your workouts.
For example, if you have tennis elbow, you may not lift weights for a couple of weeks. Push-ups, dips, and other bodyweight exercises will be off-limits too. But you can still train your legs, do cardio, and practise Pilates to maintain your conditioning.'
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Mine were bigger until they popped.
Frim: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/pilates-for-men#why-do-it
'The biggest difference in benefits of Pilates for men as compared with women lies in the tendency for men to train in a way that overemphasizes certain muscle groups in their workouts and neglects other muscle groups.
According to Matt McCulloch, Pilates educator and co-founder of Kinected and the Functional Anatomy for Movement and Injuries (FAMI) workshop, Pilates can help men learn to find balance in their workouts.
“Men tend to overtrain certain joints, regions, and muscles such as the rectus abdominis ‘six-pack muscle,’ the biceps and triceps, and the quads. Due to this overtraining and resultant muscular imbalance, men tend to incur certain frequent injuries.”
McCulloch says men often get stuck in the training routines they learned in high school and focus only on building bigger muscles rather than on bringing the body into balance and alignment by training the intrinsic muscles too.
“Pilates, as a system, remedies faulty patterns by balancing the body’s strength and flexibility and optimizing its efficiency,” he says. “When the body is symmetrically aligned and muscles function efficiently, injuries tend to occur less frequently.”
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Quoting Amity
Quoting Amity
This doesn't speak to me.
Surely, only for mad men, then.
What's your favourite exercise ?
Wow. Are you a spy or summat ? Oh, hush my lips :zip:
So, single speed on the flat ?
OK. Time to say G'night :yawn:
Been fun...
Fixed gear now, not just single speed. The difference is huge. But I can get boring about this subject so I'll stop here. Sweet dreams.
:)
The relationship between emotional abilities and right-wing and prejudiced attitudes. (2019)
:o
What is the difference between single speed and fixed gear?
That's how my spin bike works. It's probably less fun than it sounds. Good with upbeat music though.
But in the Moscow winter, it's my only exercise, so... I might try those rollers so I can ride my actual bike indoors.
:gasp: Yeah, the heavy flywheel has a lot of centrifugal force but there’s a brake for it.