Reply to Posty McPostface Are you referring to Baden and Hanover? Because I would expect to be placed higher than that. Not sure I could settle for third place.
I don't know who Posty meant, but I'll gladly cede the laurel to you if he meant me. My idiotic jokes should be considered a form of self-flagellation rather than anything else.
@Posty McPostface Maybe I'm the only person on here who liked and participated in the animal stuff andHanover's perverse jokes making me doubly idiotic, but I appreciate both of you and your contributions to the forum. It makes it a more interesting and diverse place in terms of humour and otherwise. Jokes aside, I mean that sincerely.
(Also, I've been on holidays from real-world work for the past couple of weeks, so probably spending too much time on here. I'll likely take a back seat when I'm busier).
There's a strange dynamic to our interactions, isn't there? Anyway, to clarify, when I say "idiotic" I mean it in the context of the taxonomy of idiot, moron and imbecile I once talked about (somewhere). Playing the fool or being an idiot consciously can have a positive function, so it's not always meant in a derogatory way. Being a moron is though.
Reply to Sapientia It's not even special. It's just a forum, to write and clarify shit. The moment you leave, people will forget you. We can imagine something more, but that probably exposes the depths of our loneliness. I learnt that only too recently.
It's not even special. It's just a forum, to write and clarify shit. The moment you leave, people will forget you. We can imagine something more, but that probably exposes the depths of our loneliness. I learnt that only too recently.
For you to say that it isn't special at all is a performative contradiction, given the length of time that you've spent here, the number of comments that you've made, and the substance of what you have submitted. If you don't think that this place is special in any way, then why have you been spending all that time coming here and getting involved, rather than doing other things? If you no longer thought that this place was special, then I would expect to see that reflected in your behaviour, and if I did not see any reflection in your behaviour, then I would doubt what you say.
This forum alleviates boredom for me. But merely because I get some use out of it doesn't make it special, *shrug*
The forum means a lot to me and I love it. I haven't had a place like this where I could think big thoughts with other people since college in the 1970s. I've learned a lot about myself. I'm much more aware of what I think and believe and why. I've learned to write better. Think better.
I feel like I've been treated with respect and I've tried, and sometimes failed, to show respect for others. It's a wonderful place.
Reply to Buxtebuddha But I look past what you say and see that you do treat it as special, just not [i]that[/I] special. Obviously I'm not suggesting that you place it on a pedestal, but there's a reason I come here, rather than elsewhere, and it's likewise for you. That we treat it in this way [I]does[/I] imply that, for us, it is special in at least some minimal way, whether you care to admit it or not.
For you to say that it isn't special at all is a performative contradiction, given the length of time that you've spent here, the number of comments that you've made, and the substance of what you have submitted. If you don't think that this place is special in any way, then why have you been spending all that time coming here and getting involved, rather than doing other things? If you no longer thought that this place was special, then I would expect to see that reflected in your behaviour, and if I did not see any reflection in your behaviour, then I would doubt what you say.
It is not the forum that is special. I am. The forum is just a medium that enabled me to use it advantageously, but to imagine some special place it holds is entirely subjective, a fantasy-narrative that imagines meaning more than this subjectivity.
I am aware of this. I came on here a little while after I had a major car accident, lost my job and was severely bullied. My identity was shattered and I was physically terrible because my mental health was in disarray. I sought empowerment, to recognise who I was. In real life I travelled, I worked in a new field that brought me fulfillment with the same intention I had coming on here. To clarify my values.
Why do you think I asked to be a moderator and then chose to withdraw? It is all about me. To think otherwise is self-deciet. Posty is the special one, he just needs to realise that and stop playing the feel sorry for me card. He needs to recognise his own power.
Then presumably you'd have no qualms upping sticks posthaste and taking your special self to one of those other forums or giving up forums altogether. Let's see who's creating fantasy-narratives and who's keeping it real.
This place is as special we make it. You are sacred. Subjective value versus objective. If we all agree this place is useless, it is. If we all agree you are useless, we're wrong.
Reply to Sapientia I am, hence giving up the moderation. My professional life has drastically improved over the last twelve months, my physical health has as well. I just recently got informed I can have children which I couldnt for a number of years from the stress. I changed my life around and now I am ready to take on the real world. If you think that because I speak of me, my intention is to undermine you or others, it isn't. During that extremely difficult time for me, Cavacava was there to support me with his friendship. If you still need to believe this place hold special significance outside of you, or if you think that by thinking you are special is too arrogant to admit, then what can I say?
Anyway, that's an exaggeration. I remember those who have left from time to time, and generally those who have stood out and have left most recently are probably more at the forefront of peoples minds than others who haven't stood out as much or who left a long time ago.
Reply to TimeLine Ah, bless your little cotton socks. You couldn't undermine me if you tried, damn right I'm special, and there's no such thing as too arrogant. :grin:
The forum is what it is. And this is what it is (among other things):
A community of over 2,000 members.
Number one on every search engine for philosophy forums.
The most active popular philosophy forum.
A repository of almost 200,000 posts.
A place that many of its members consider special, useful, and valuable.
What any one individual says or thinks about it or what adjective they choose to use is their prerogative, and hardly worth arguing over.
This place is as special as you make it. You are sacred. Subjective value versus objective. If we all agree this place is useless, it is. If we all agree you are useless, we're wrong.
Not really. If you all agree that I am wrong, then I can take that and think about it, use it as a mirror for self reflective practice. Those who don't do that and yet imagine the forums hold some special significance, then they'll just be stuck here for years and years doing the same thing over and over again with no improvement in their real life.
Those who don't do that and yet imagine the forums hold some special significance, then they'll just be stuck here for years and years doing the same thing over and over again with no improvement in their real life.
This all assumes the purpose of this place is for self- improvement. It's possible some of us find avenues for self- improvement in other places. But I'm glad to hear you've found this place so special that it was able to fulfill that lofty purpose.
Reply to Baden And its the prerogative of others if they choose to respond, hence the shoutbox. Indirectly feeding threats to stop people responding to me is only an exposure of the type of person you are.
Reply to Hanover Is it? I don't think its me being hostile, but you seem threatened that I am disparaging this place or something. I'm not. Anyway, calm down.
Reply to TimeLine Another misread. I'm neither threatened nor not calm. I'm just saying you've misread Baden's post as an attempt to stop people from commenting or as a threat. He's just saying what this place actually is and pointing out the pointlessness of this debate.
I like the place and would be pretty sad if it disappeared one day, kinda like the old PF. I still get nostalgic thinking about the likes of 180 Proof, LGU, and a number of other posters at the old forum who I felt I got to know a bit through the years. So yeah, I think it's a special online community in which I've made a couple friends - even some who I will remain in contact with regardless of what happens here - and have even learned a few things along the way. I actually wish I weren't so lazy and participated more. I agree with T Clark in that (for a non-academic) it helps sharpen one's communicative and argumentative skills. So there's a practical value in it for some of us. My two cents.
VagabondSpectreMay 27, 2018 at 22:05#1827570 likes
We're the intellectual brain-trust of contemporary global culture :)
Is that directed to me? If so, explain the ad homs?
No. From another thread I felt like I was owed an "Oh yes, I was wrong about the red herring thing. You were right." I didn't want to derail though. All better.
Why are you pissed off? (If you dont mind my asking?)
Reply to Hanover It certainly appears like you did, since you clearly shouted I am hostile and paranoid. I am just explaining my experiences and the improvement it has made to my life, something I decided to take, why is taking that Nietzschean route so damning?
Baden is not stating the way it is. He is stating the way he sees it and while measurements are important, silencing the qualitative reduces the analysis to numbers. Isnt this place supposed to be 'special'
I just view that 'specialness' to be subjective. Not sure why everyone is freaking out about that.
I'm not freaking out about that. I don't even disagree with that. I just think that some people are in denial, and that there's an inconsistency between what's being said about this place and how it's treated.
What any one individual says or thinks about it or what adjective they choose to use is their prerogative, and hardly worth arguing over.
I do not consider it being paranoid or hostile to assume that is indirectly trying to undermine the conversation. I also continue to believe you are being defensive by stating the following:
I'm not freaking out about that. I don't even disagree with that. I just think that some people are in denial, and that there's an inconsistency between what's being said about this place and how it's treated.
I understand, but what I am attempting to convey is that how we treat this place - and anything that we do - is entirely up to us. As I said already, I treat some people attached to these forums as friends, Cavacava is one such person. I too can very briefly have nostalgic thoughts about 180 proof only because we had some amazing personal conversations. But, that is up to me. The forums are just the medium for this and in the end, epistemically, that is how we function. I love this medium, don't get me wrong, but it is how we treat it that matters in the end. In all areas of our life, that empowerment is a state of mind. I am trying to explain that about Posty. He is a very intelligent person and has a great deal of prospect, but he doesn't see that.
Reply to Baden Thanks for explaining, I guess? There is that rhetorical tactic where some people like to indirectly feed suggestions to others to stop associating with those that disagree with them and then congratulate and compliment those that agree with them. But, glad your not that pathetic.
What I was effectively doing was suggesting to Sapientia that he shouldn't bother you about your opinion. He didn't feel threatened by that and neither should you.
I have nothing to add or subtract. If philosophy really is all about fulfilling psychological needs, then God help us.
Posty, life in general is. Why do you start all those threads on subjects that question things important to you? It is about you. You even wanted to leave because it was about you. Confronting that truth behind that is really empowering.
Reply to Hanover The only people who went haywire here were you and Baden. Then you probably went all "she's just seeking attention" to justify how absurd your reaction was. You're both idiots.
Yes, I remember I went haywire and accused you of threatening me. If only @Sapientia could have stopped me. :(
No, what happened was you said something hostile and uncalled-for and you got called out for it. Instead of taking that on the chin, now you're being sour and small about it. Cheer up. :hearts:
No, what happened was you said something hostile and uncalled-for and you got called out for it. Instead of taking that on the chin, now you're being sour and small about it. Cheer up. :hearts:
Called out for what, exactly? You misunderstood because you assumed that I was somehow attacking the forums and jumped on the defence and your misunderstanding is the problem here. I didn't leave moderation out of some protest. I have the greatest respect for Jamalrob and StreetlightX and love this place.
You and Hanover on the other hand attack people for being anti-Semitic and homophobic the moment they don't agree with you. This is just another expression of your idiocy.
Reply to Posty McPostface I guess I wanted you to know that I believe in you and not out of some sympathy and pity which doesn't resolve anything, but because you actually are capable both intellectually and emotionally. I respect you. The point about explaining what I do and how I treat the forums was for that reason, that if you don't benefit from the philosophical interactions at a personal level that improves your life in the real world, what is the point?
I believe I could have because it's empowering. I can do anything I set my mind to. Except shoot laser beams from my eyes. And fly. And move objects with my mind. And run at the speed of light. And turn up to work sober and on time.
Called out for what, exactly? You misunderstood because you assumed that I was somehow attacking the forums and jumped on the defence and your misunderstanding is the problem here. I didn't leave moderation out of some protest. I have the greatest respect for Jamalrob and StreetlightX and love this place.
Again paranoia. You're attributing a motive to me I don't have, which is retaliation for your leaving the mod team. People come and go from jobs for all sorts of reasons. I really don't care. I mean really. Quoting TimeLine
You and Hanover on the other hand attack people for being anti-Semitic and homophobic the moment they don't agree with you. This is just another expression of your idiocy.
Now there's a non-sequiter to throw in and my violation is being politically correct? I called T Clark out for what smelled like racism, but many disagreed. I simply had an opinion as did he. I never had a run in over homophobia. I'm Jewish and maybe sensitive about anti-Semitism, but you'll recall when it appeared someone might be a neo Nazi, I abstained from the vote and you favored taking action as I recall.
And you've now raised the bar to calling people idiots. Well I think you're a doo doo head.
That's a positive improvement in your life. How long have you been on the forums?
About eight years, give or take. My goal is to take over the world, starting with this forum. My plan was to manipulate people through niceness, but then I realised that I didn't have a nice bone in my body, so I thought of finding someone nice, drugging them, and amputating one of their limbs from which I could derive a nice bone and insert it into my body, but then I thought, fuck it, I'll just mock everyone and blame it on the current political climate.
It would have been better if you had posted that directly before my post above. Please choreograph your moves properly in future or I will rip off your wings and make a funny hat of them.
I called T Clark out for what smelled like racism, but many disagreed. I simply had an opinion as did he. I never had a run in over homophobia. I'm Jewish and maybe sensitive about anti-Semitism, but you'll recall when it appeared someone might be a neo Nazi, I abstained from the vote and you favored taking action as I recall.
Yeah, both you and Baden. It was definitely the highlight of my realisation as to how absurd you both were and that I no longer enjoyed your company, considering that TClark is so far removed from being anything but a good person. And I'm paranoid? But that is irrelevant to my decision to leave the moderation team, despite my losing any respect I had for the both of you. My decision rests in a conversation I have been having with csalisbury privately that has awakened a great many things for me about me.
You have called me anti-Semitic. If you cannot see how fucked up that is, then what can I say?
I once said in a discussion that you used homophobic-type vulgarisms, which you did because they were. I knew then and I know now you're not homophobic, which is why I chose my words carefully. The fact you insist on continuing to play the victim about this is absolutely your choice and your problem. My suggestion, which you'll no doubt ignore, is that you lighten up and stop interpreting everything in the worse light.
Reply to Baden It was so far-removed from being homophobic that the suggestion itself is an example of the person that you are, someone who used that as a rhetorical tactic in order to win the argument. You threaten all the time.
I am not playing a victim. On the contrary, all I am saying is that I don't like you. That's that.
Reply to TimeLine And now the argument about everything and nothing really at all. Let's go through the ledger of hits and misses over the past few years and see who's been more sensitive in the philosophy forum to one another. A wonderful use of time.
You tell me you're contemptuous of me like I'm supposed to care and like it's at all an appropriate comment to say.
Reply to Hanover You made the argument that way by your absurd reactions and then awkwardly attempted sarcasm and humour as a way to deflect any responsibility for your own misconduct. How I choose to discuss any subject with others in shoutbox and how I use my time is irrelevant and If you don't like it, then bugger off. I hardly think you have any right to claim appropriateness in the comments being made.
Anyway, enough. I'm over it and want to enjoy my day off.
Reply to TimeLine We concluded that T-Clark lives in the whitest place in America. Taken at face value, T-Clark's statement actually did sound racist. Turns out it was just wrong.
Reply to TimeLine Nope, there was no misconduct on my part, you've taken to creating like and don't like lists which is hardly appropriate outside middle school, and you no more get to speak with impunity than I do.
Please do live under the delusion I'm letting this nonsense rest. I'm here all night folks.
We concluded that T-Clark lives in the whitest place in America. Taken at face value, T-Clark's statement actually did sound racist. Turns out it was just wrong.
The moderators have a private thread that they discuss concerns about where both Baden and Hanover raised this issue against T-Clark, and while I have no objections that the explanations coming from T-Clark were dark, he made it clear that was the intention, to speak of those dark thoughts that we have. I found that to be courageous and enlightening and to be labelled a racist rather than doing what you have done here to try and ascertain why those dark thoughts exist just struck me as idiotic.
Yeah, both you and Baden. It was definitely the highlight of my realisation as to how absurd you both were and that I no longer enjoyed your company, considering that TClark is so far removed from being anything but a good person. And I'm paranoid?
As I told @Baden at the time, I felt very supported by him during the discussion you are describing. What meant the most to me was, although he was uncomfortable with the way I had expressed my opinion, he trusted me and understood that my intentions were honorable.
Now I know why the resident narcissist isn't a moderator anymore. God, this stuff is good. PF drama is magical sometimes. Alleviates my boredom something ferocious.
I didn't raise anything against@T Clark. I asked in the mod forum if anyone had anything to say as you know. And that was it. Hanover agreed immediately it wasn't a mod issue as did everyone else.
Reply to Baden You raised it up twice, and yes, it was disagreed where Hanover immediately followed. But, anyway, if T-Clark is happy with your support, than what can I say? :zip:
Baden: @T Clark's comments in the Shoutbox continue to be polarizing. Anyone want to add anything here?
Michael:
?Baden
You referring to this?
"In my experience, white people as a group don't like, respect, or trust black people. They don't feel comfortable with them. They are afraid of them. I often feel the same impulses in myself." — T Clark
Doesn't seem objectionable to me.
jamalrob: I don't really see a problem there either.
Hanover: I don't see it as a mod issue, just a comment I disagree with.
Reply to Baden Of course she knows that. I even told T Clark publicly that I didn't think his comments should be deleted. Had they been truly racist, I'd have voted them deleted per our rules. My disagreements with T Clark, as varied as they may be, have never been over moderation issues.
Reply to TimeLine Then I'm sure you know more about what transpired than I do. One thing that should be made clear: T-Clark explicitly claimed racist sentiment. The whole conversation could have opened up into a dialog about hidden racism if T-Clark had been willing to explain his statements. He initially was not. He became very evasive.
I don't recall anyone labelling him a racist. Both Baden and Unenlightened contributed praise for his honesty. Hanover and myself (the two Americans on the scene to talk about America) disagreed 1) that his comment was true, and 2) that it was praiseworthy.
T-Clark could have driven the discussion toward something fruitful and possibly worthy of praise. He chose not to.
No, I didn't. That was the whole thing above. And it's silly to continue to lie about it in an attempt to create an issue between me and someone I respect and like.
Reply to Baden I am not trying to be divisive and this has nothing to do with credibility and others, just accountability. If he is content with your support, then I am not going to interfere in that and perhaps there is a degree of resentment on my part for you displaying two different personas, but then, that is just my interpretation against you.
More Hollywooding. Which has no chance of working by the way as I regularly talk to @T Clark by PM. Speaking of PM, if you're going to lie about stuff like that, do it that way, so it can't be publically checked. It's just so incompetent to continue to do it here.
More Hollywooding. Which has no chance of working by the way as I regularly talk to T Clark by PM. Speaking of PM, if you're going to lie about stuff like that, do it that way, so it can't be publically checked. It's just so incompetent to continue to do it here.
TimeLine and Baden are both my friends. Both have stood up for me. No one may use what happened in the racism discussion that I was involved with against either of them.
Reply to frank I guess I am unable to speak about how things went down here as I may have misunderstood the subject, but the way that I see it, some people display themselves differently and some people are honest. Sometimes, how dark that honesty is can be too frightening to acknowledge and so it can only be released a small bit at a time and I felt that was made quite clear. Other times - like my interpretation of Baden and Hanover - is that they say and behave differently when it is convenient for them. I prefer the former.
That may be, but again, that's life. Life is not worrisome? It's mostly worrisome. Life at its suctive best. (Suctive=that sucking sound you hear, like from Mexico--a joke you probably won't get--not old enough and being from Australia.) My congratulations on having a life so satisfactory that you have decided to give up being a moderator. Now some other sucker will have to belly up to the keyboard to ride herd on this philosophical cat drive.
Now I know why the resident narcissist isn't a moderator anymore. God, this stuff is good. PF drama is magical sometimes. Alleviates my boredom something ferocious.
You don't even know what narcissism is. Go on, cut and paste from the internet and pretend that you wrote it by modifying it slightly.
?Bitter Crank I guess I don't know about sucking as much as you... :fire:
TimeLine attempts a clever response by employing a double entendre. That's OK. It's not a suburb double entendre, but it's as good as we are going to get from her.
Reply to Hanover Maybe the facts, but not about you. Although you refuse to leave it at the fact that I simply don't like you and Baden - and there is nothing wrong with that - that is really all that it is. All this mess started from you both. So, let it end.
We should probably construct a sociogram of who everybody likes and dislikes. I think we would find that most of the relationships would be "skin-crawling loathings" with only a few "love and adores". I'm assuming I would win some prizes. (Self-Deprecating humor--not to be taken at face value.)
Trust... How does one earn it or should it be a given?
I like farm people though, nice and honest.
It's in the best interest of farm people to gain your trust. Beware of trucks being loaded with your kith and kin. They are not going to summer camp.
Earn it or just get trust? I don't know. Probably all the options possible between "No, you'll never get my trust" to "I trusted you before time began." I tend to be trusting--not before time began, but you know, pretty trusting. If I was a pig, I'd probably get on the truck for summer camp.
We should probably construct a sociogram of who everybody likes and dislikes. I think we would find that most of the relationships would be "skin-crawling loathings" with only a few "love and adores". I'm assuming I would win some prizes. (Self-Deprecating humor--not to be taken at face value.)
It really does not matter unless we end up meeting in real life. You can never really know a person until then, so much of our interactions are dependent on words, but there is so much more to a person. Buxe could actually be a gentle, loving creature who is being bullied by his domineering mother and so he comes on here to release his anger. You cannot give trust here until you meet and since we're likely never to meet, well, I rely only on words on my screen. Any feelings I construct against others are really my feelings against words.
Reply to FishReply to Baden Are you making fun of Fish's disabilities? Welcome Fish. You joined this high minded operation in the middle of a hateful hoedown. It seems to be just about over. Every now and then mature, thoughtful minds have a need to interrupt the banquet and have a food fight. Finicky arguments and the fine points of reason can only get so much off people's chests. Nothing does it like throwing a hot pumpkin pie in someone's face.
You don't even know what narcissism is. Go on, cut and paste from the internet and pretend that you wrote it by modifying it slightly.
Well shit, you must be right, since being incredibly manipulative, self absorbed, deceitful, and generally fucked up in the head is entirely run of the mill and normal. Prolly just a coinkidink, though.
Anyway, you're doing a good job playing the victim the last 10 pages or so. If you keep it up you might get BAnNeD oR sOmeThINg. If so, I promise to burn a bonfire in your honor.
Reply to Posty McPostface It already has for me, hence what you take and learn from here. I have learnt that being a moderator changes assumptions that provide insight in how hierarchies reinforce credibility in a dynamical system. I also see how sexism can manifest itself in very subtle ways and that if I ever get bullied or harassed in the real world, I am much more stronger and adept in dealing with it. You open yourself up, you are liable to ridicule, but I am ok with that.
Reply to Buxtebuddha Reviews have been mostly "meh" so far, and I don't care much to spend $16 on a mediocre movie. I think they should stop focusing on characters we already know, and focus on new characters during an older era of the SW universe. I think they are planning a Boba Fett movie too. No thanks.
It already has for me, hence what you take and learn from here. I have learnt that being a moderator changes assumptions that provide insight in how hierarchies reinforce credibility in a dynamical system. I also see how sexism can manifest itself in very subtle ways and that if I ever get bullied or harassed in the real world, I am much more stronger and adept in dealing with it. You open yourself up, you are liable to ridicule, but I am ok with that.
So, I'm going to empathize with you on the issue, something I think you shun. I understand that moderators cannot consider the entirety of the belief system behind a propositional attitude and are prone to (I hope, charitably, due to time constraints) presenting their own beliefs about how a issue/state of affairs ought to be understood or conceptualized. Anyway, this could be understood as a factor contributing to what your calling "hierarchies reinforce credibility in a dynamical system". But, the point in my opinion is that we ought to consider another persons view first and then proceed from there.
Anyway, I don't want to pontificate as I have trouble difficulties relating to your genuine experience. I also wanted to point out that, the amount of sexism I have seen is appalling, and really shameful and sincerely applaud your efforts for fighting the just cause.
Reply to Maw If they focus on less known or unknown SW stuff then it may not feel like SW. Star Trek is always Star Trek, but SW is built on cheesy characters. Besides, why be against Boba Fett when he's actually a pretty obscure character?
Solo was fun! I enjoyed it because it really felt like 'a Star Wars story', like, a kind of side-story that just so happened to fall in the SW universe. Not as good as Rogue One, but I think it was more fun than the recent mainline SW movies. Reminded me of like an Indina Jones/Western heist movie set in space. Don't expect 'epic Space Opera' and you'll be good.
Reply to Buxtebuddha Re: Boba Fett, part of his character appeal is his mystique. Same with Solo which helps explain the lackluster box office performance. Besides, Star Wars has explored new stories with new characters through mediums outside of movies, e.g. books, video games etc. that are extremely popular with the core fan base. I loved Knights of the Old Republic on Xbox, and it was immensely popular critically, and sales-wise. Either way, Disney will have to cover new characters if it wants a continually fresh IP.
Reply to Posty McPostface That mirroring enables us to contrast our own opinions and thoughts, it is an essential part of communication and that is why we are here, no? "Philosophy" as a subject is not about you or self-development. The Philosophy Forum can nevertheless be a medium that can provide you with the platform to communicate thoughts and opinions and find ways to articulate and question what is important to you. And yet, what we do online is safer and more accessible than reality - which is why we come on here - but like everything online, we must be conscious of it's purpose.
If I put up a photo on Instagram and I get a few likes, I need to be aware that it doesn't actually mean anything but social media is a platform that communicates some activities that I am doing and that takes away feelings of isolation from my experiences. If I don't see that, then what happens is what you said once earlier about when others talk about sex it makes you feel impotent, people begin to develop self-esteem issues on Instagram, the negative or dark side of its purpose begins to manifest. That should not be the case.There is a positive in that communication just as much as a forum enables us to communicate our ideals and principles and to try and shape them. When we forget that, it becomes some sort of a laborious task and then, as you say, you need to back away or leave.
Hence why I respect you and believe in you and there is within me a deeper hope you find that empowerment because someone like you should have a voice. What I shun is not when people feel empathy for me but that self-depreciation that keeps you safe from the ridicule. You don't follow the herd and say what others might want to hear, the "you" exists and you are one of the few people on here with that independence. You seem to stop yourself from saying that you are good at something and even sometimes find ways to justify that you are not good at it. All I can say is that you are.
I also wanted to point out that, the amount of sexism I have seen is appalling, and really shameful and sincerely applaud your efforts for fighting the just cause.
It was lame of you to mislead. But then if this is just a game... it’s still lame.
Stop being so lame about all the lameness. T-Clark was labelled a racist and I hold that he is not one; while I admitted that I may have misconstrued the context of others likely because of my own personal prejudices against these members - and also because I was feeling somewhat flustered at the time - I hold that the moment a person can articulate these darker thoughts, the more insight we have as to why they exist and thus is a very courageous thing to do. To be labelled as immoral often causes us to shut down and silence our thoughts, but introspection is very difficult and he did well to locate that part of his perceptions that we repress so well.
Reply to Maw It was great. If you go in with that mindset, you are going to get annoyed. Just watch it and enjoy. It is action adventure, a brain-massage kind of feeling where you really don't need to think about it so much.
Reply to TimeLine Fair enough. Although I don't see Star Wars to think much. I just assume I shouldn't be insulted by bad plots, bad acting, bad dialogue, bad characters, etc.
VagabondSpectreMay 28, 2018 at 05:03#1829540 likes
Imagine that I told you I had a replacement for your most beloved late pet (analogous to your favorite film). Chances are nothing can ever replace or out-do that special feeling you got the first time around.
The same sort of thing happens when Disney et al. revamps some beloved classic. People are generally pissed off by alterations and deviations from the original, and with the most recent film it seems like they went to lengths to call back the original aesthetic and feel of Star Wars.
Turns out we won't even settle for "the same". I did like the Solo film, but it was nothing new; it didn't surprise me or exceed my expectations, which is what the originals did.
And yet, what we do online is safer and more accessible than reality - which is why we come on here - but like everything online, we must be conscious of it's purpose.
This differs from person to person. It's a matter of economic utility and convenience that we use the internet, where everything is so much accessible and easier to digest in many regards than college life. Treating philosophy as a way of life, one can continue their education online past college for as long as they want. Or, for what I view the future, college is unnecessary to be a philosopher. I'm still on the fence about whether to go back to college to study philosophy, as Wittgenstein's philosophy is bona fide anti-academic. Keep in mind, that colleges and universities began from the starting of philosophy, not the other way around.
If I put up a photo on Instagram and I get a few likes, I need to be aware that it doesn't actually mean anything but social media is a platform that communicates some activities that I am doing and that takes away feelings of isolation from my experiences.
Yes, I don't exactly know how to rationalize this phenomenon. I guess different people value different things would be a true truism in this case.
If I don't see that, then what happens is what you said once earlier about when others talk about sex it makes you feel impotent, people begin to develop self-esteem issues on Instagram, the negative or dark side of its purpose begins to manifest.
Reply to Maw But that is what brain-massage movies are all about, these action-packed adventures where you walk into the cinema and completely switch off, enjoying the images and colours like a two year old watching Dora The Explorer. There are days where we just need that and where we walk out of the cinemas in a sort of popcorn-filled mentally-blank bliss. No conversations, just getting in the car with a smile on your face and 'what do you want to do now?' feeling.
Also, keep in mind TimeLine, not everyone realizes the importance of philosophy to their lives. The common sentiment among the poli is it has none, and sadly even some philosophers themselves share that sentiment.
Reply to VagabondSpectre Curiously, the original Blade Runner is one of my favorite movies of all time, and yet, I - and many others - thought the new Blade Runner 2049 managed to exceed it, which is an extraordinary feat considering the cult-following the original has. As highly regarded as the original Star Wars trilogy is, I don't think it's impossible to think of a new movie - or trilogy - that exceeds them in some way. Disney's Star Wars isn't a "revamp". They bought the intellectual property of the Universe and as such, have free rein to do whatever they wanted with it. So far, they have created a new trilogy, which was unnecessary, and very arguably hurt the characters and ending of the original trilogy. It all seems rather rushed, and disorganized. I did think Rogue One was a delightful surprise and did manage to make the OG better. I mean it's expected that Disney wanted to get back the $4 billion it cost to buy it, and the easiest way to do that is through characters that we're familiar with, but the fatigue is setting in, or at least it absolutely won't last forever.
This differs from person to person. It's a matter of economic utility and convenience that we use the internet, where everything is so much accessible and easier to digest in many regards than college life. Treating philosophy as a way of life, one can continue their education online past college for as long as they want.
We can form some meta-narrative that this place holds some deeper significance and that you yourself also hold some special significance in the minds of other posters here as though there is some sort of a bond, but it is the same mistake we make with all our relationships and coming to terms with that distance or separateness in a utilitarian way can be distressing to admit. It almost feels immoral. The reality is that you are here to improve you, your thoughts and your values, and the forum provides you with that medium; when you experience that feeling of improvement, when you learn something you didn't know before, that excitement makes you believe it is this place is special, when it is all you. You are the special one. People who refuse to learn end up being stuck, repeating the same bad behaviour over and over again, their ego reduces their ability to progress. It is the words being said, the knowledge being shared, the ideas being shaped and that is only based on your willingness to participate.
I don't know quite yet. One always has to feel humble.
Why? What are you comparing yourself with? It is simply the way we communicate and think, how we rationalise and understand the external world and our place in it. Moral consciousness is a state of mind and the best type of 'humble' is really having no beliefs. You can present yourself as artificially humble by being self-depreciating, just like religious people present themselves as artificially 'pure' because of their sexual mores, but all you are creating is the Other (which now makes sense of your comments on Nietzsche). This is why religious people feel justified in their conflicts with others, because they believe that they have the moral standing and thus the authority to attack those that fail to adhere to their ideals.
You must transcend these moral boundaries if you really seek to find that inner solidity. I see words like humble really as a type of authoritative that returns back to the hierarchical system.
Absolutely, I actually learnt when you said that about how jokes could have that underlying effect and I am now conscious of this but please bare in mind that I am not sexually active and yet I joke all the time about it. How is it that I am capable of not feeling like a weirdo given that I am still a virgin and can enjoy people's company and laugh and joke with them about such a subject? That is the type of empowerment I am speaking of.
I told you I was bullied and I fell apart when it happened because most of the attacks were personal. Our personal space is our identity and when it is mocked and ridiculed, who we are disintegrates since much of who we are is really about that recognition from others. I advertised my personal space to strengthen and empower my self-assurance and to learn to deflect that type of intolerance. You may not need to do that for that reason, but if you are feeling impotent when discussions about sex are being made, you probably do need to consider how much you perhaps rely on the opinions of people here.
The reality is that you are here to improve you, your thoughts and your values, and the forum provides you with that medium; when you experience that feeling of improvement, when you learn something you didn't know before, that excitement makes you believe it is this place is special, when it is all you.
And, that is the perversion of philosophy that I have noticed, present nowadays. It's almost as if we live in a solipsistic world of some sort to say that. For example, the field of economics is struggling to accommodate the notion that all people aren't out for their own good, this is called being "irrational". And, if not, then what's the alternative, that we're purely motivated by psychological self-interest? Well, I say that might be true; but, doesn't condemn us to living reflexively without a concern for matters such as 'ethics' or 'morality'...
It is the words being said, the knowledge being shared, the ideas being shaped and that is only based on your willingness to participate.
Thoughts are passed down through generations, discoveries made on the shoulders of giants. Nobody built the house they were born in. Such is the result of the uninhibited individualism, I think.
You can present yourself as artificially humble by being self-depreciating, just like religious people present themselves as artificially 'pure' because of their sexual mores, but all you are creating is the Other (which now makes sense of your comments on Nietzsche). This is why religious people feel justified in their conflicts with others, because they believe that they have the moral standing and thus the authority to attack those that fail to adhere to their ideals.
I'm working on this. Surely, it's quite absurd to assume that philosophy only serves psychological needs, and besides, Nietzsche was highly disregarding of the goodness in man, and with it the concern for the other.
Absolutely, I actually learnt when you said that about how jokes could have that underlying effect and I am now conscious of this but please bare in mind that I am not sexually active and yet I joke all the time about it. How is it that I am capable of not feeling like a weirdo given that I am still a virgin and can enjoy people's company and laugh and joke with them about such a subject? That is the type of empowerment I am speaking of.
Find me a time machine please. I'm having difficulties with going back to the 1950s.
And, that is the perversion of philosophy that I have noticed, present nowadays. It's almost as if we live in a solipsistic world of some sort to say that. And, if not, then what's the alternative, that we're purely motivated by psychological self-interest? Well, I say that might be true; but, doesn't condemn us to living reflexively without a concern for matters such as 'ethics' or 'morality'...
What has ethics and morality got to do with solipsism if the question here is what you give and what you do? In the end, you are the one being moral and so that is dependent on your state of mind that helps shape and regulate your understanding of others.
It doesn't mean become devoid of morality, but that you shape and create your own moral boundaries outside of social constructs and religious ideals. This is more Kantian.
I'm working on this. Surely, it's quite absurd to assume that philosophy only serves psychological needs, and besides, Nietzsche was highly disregarding of the goodness in man, and with it the concern for the other.
No, he wasn't. He was a misunderstood philosopher. He believed in the goodness of man but that we were reduced to this 'impotence' by the pressure of society and religion and that we needed to find that empowerment within ourselves to really understand what morality is.
I also specifically said that philosophy is not for psychological needs. I said the philosophy forum is a platform for communication and this is to serve our own desire to improve our thoughts and understanding as well as our capacity to rationalise.
That's not nice. Perhaps you do use self-depreciating comments as a way to control and manipulate others?
Hard to tell. Do I get any benefit from doing that if the purpose is to understand each other? Pick your philosopher that answers this question. I hope not Nietzsche.
It doesn't mean become devoid of morality, but that you shape and create your own moral boundaries outside of social constructs and religious ideals. This is more Kantian.
Your misunderstanding me. It is when transcend these moral boundaries dictated by what is 'rational' or 'good' or 'beneficial' that you can really be concerned with the concern of the other. To be at the limits of one's world so to speak, and apprehend it as it is or ought to be.
Hard to tell. Do I get any benefit from doing that if the purpose is to understand each other? Pick your philosopher that answers this question. I hope not Nietzsche.
There is certainly power in such dialogue despite such self-depreciation appearing to lack any efficaciousness because the archetype of someone "humble" means that they would not have the moral standing to be deceitful, but this dialogue certainly has the capacity for people to manipulate and control others by making them feel guilty and thus prevent others from communicating openly. When one elicits this fear in others, they are able to control the communication that is beneficial for them and thus there is no real understanding, just power-relations. I pick Foucault.
Your misunderstanding me. It is when transcend these moral boundaries dictated by what is 'rational' or 'good' or 'beneficial' that you can really be concerned with the concern of the other. To be at the limits of one's world so to speak, and apprehend it appropriately.
I am trying to make sense of this but I assume that if you mean when we transcend social constructs of good or beneficial that we can understand and feel concerned by another, and if so, that is what I am saying. Your motivation, the intent or your Will, explains the consciousness of your decision and that confirms whether it is "you" or whether it is something psychological based on the conditioning of your environment or religion or society. This authenticity permits feeling, you want to do it, you decide to be moral and be good and that is when you actually sense or experience that passion or euphoria. It is the same with love.
It may seem paradoxical that it is that separateness or aloneness that enables you to feel and understand love, that being alone and accepting that separation or independence enables you the consciousness and the state of mind to be capable of giving love, but it is the same as our separation from society. People think that when you follow the rules then you are doing good. Moral consciousness takes effort, it requires learning and is a state of mind and so what is "good" can only be actioned rationally, when you are genuinely willing to do good. It is synonymous with the authenticity of your will or motivation. This is completely different when you do "good" because that is what society dictates; it is conformism and servitude that stands outside of your will and motivation so what you feel is not real. Just fear, really, for breaking the rules and relief for following them. The motivation or intent there is not yours, but what you are conditioned to believe.
Reply to Noble Dust :confused: I guess it is the timing that you posted this and the underlying intent that concerns me.
I took the day off work today only to spend it having my face blasted off for speaking about the psychological and epistemic values of forum based interactions.
I gave up being a moderator for positive reasons. I didn't need to tell anyone here, but I told Tiff a week ago that I have been promoted at work. I also mentioned to the moderators that I am considering more senior roles.
Me and Jamalrob had a good discussion about it and I mentioned my sincere appreciation being a moderator and how much I learnt from it. The only thing it showed, however, is just how nasty some of you actually are.
I haven't seen Solo, but I can guess how I'll feel about it. Similar to what you say, I'm guessing. I might see it tomorrow on a matinée, if I'm in the mood. Rogue One is actually one of my favorite Star Wars movies. I used to be a low-key Star Wars nerd with the novels and comics and whatnot as a kid. So I think I've been enjoying the reboot as a guilty pleasure because of that. But I'm totally worried about young Han. It looks really bad.
Also, just because I'm a narcissist (see what I did there?), I low-key grew up 10 minutes from Lebron. Northeast Ohio ftw.
Reply to Noble Dust You weren't saying anything. You just wanted to chime in because others were.
Whether you are or not, there is that assumption that I am harbouring some negative resentment here, which caused the reaction to something as basic as comments about the purpose of threads - that only stemmed from comments Posty made - that made me speak about it. In my head, I was legit trying to convince him to stay by talking about the psychological benefits of forum based interactions. The reactions show me how people reinforce ideas of credibility within hierarchical systems. The previous two departures were highly contentious with Sap and Un, it was almost as though people created it with me.
there is that assumption that I am harbouring some negative resentment here, which caused the reaction to something as basic as comments about the purpose of threads -
Oh, there's clearly resentment on your part. You're deceiving yourself if you don't realize this.
Now I see the edit. My posts after that initial post are quotes of the responses you made to that post, and all your responses are emotionally manipulative responses. That's what that was. You still haven't responded to my most recent response to you.
Reply to Noble Dust No, it is not, and if I say it is you using it as a rhetorical tool it is not emotional manipulation, it is you using it as a rhetorical tool to undermine me. Nothing more. Your post is just garbage.
What does that mean? Grammatically, I assume that means that "my posts after that initial post are quotes of the responses you made to that post"? is false? Seriously, I don't know how to read your response.
you say it is you using it as a rhetorical tool is not emotional manipulation, it is you using it as a rhetorical tool to undermine me.
This doesn't make grammatical sense. I say this because I want clarity, and I realize this is not a good time to ask or that, but I literally am unsure of what you're trying to say.
Didn't want to start a separate thread on this as it's just a few scattered thoughts.
I was wondering if someone actually found that reading more philosophy made him live worse, as in making worse decisions, loosing will to live and so on. On the other hand, does anyone on here encountered a life changing philosophy?
I've found reading philosophy so terribly useless lately, and apart from meditation and mindfulness techniques, I don't see the application from books without thorough transferring to one's one context and system, hence changed anyway, and requiring belief in the system.
Reply to Coldlight Hey Coldlight, I think that is a good thread idea. :smile: I do not think it is philosophy or a philosophy that is life changing, but rather how philosophy enables you to think or rationalise that can be both positive and negative, the latter usually because the protective mechanisms we develop as a barrier from the difficulties we have with reality slowly disintegrates and that generates a kind of panic since our identity is disturbed by a consciousness we never really understood. The result is either retreating back into beliefs - having something to believe in kind of holds you together - or re-arranging your prejudices. To reach that level of empowerment or independence takes a considerable amount of time and effort.
As you can see from some posters here, it has probably done more damage than good. :yikes:
Posty, she's emotionally manipulative. You've given in to that manipulation. Stop giving in. Resist her manipulation.
It's a no win situation to present it that way, and we have to be pragmatic about what's she gaining from supposedly manipulating us? I think it all comes down to what's the goal, means of accomplishing it, and intent. If the goal is better mutual understanding, then manipulate away!
Reply to Posty McPostface Thanks Posty. It really was just a discussion and it stemmed from a place of sincerity. I am ashamed that I had it as you would prefer to associate with psychopaths instead.
Reply to Noble Dust You have never explained how and judging by your madness, it is me that has experienced that from you. You seem to think you are justified in talking this way because it is directed to me, but you're not. You have no right and for me to say that you have no right is not "manipulation". It's not going to cut, Noble. You have problems.
I'm saying that if our goals are aligned then there's no problem with who is manipulating whom. It becomes redundant for the sake of achieving that shared goal/dream.
Remove the ad homs, and we'll talk. You continue to emotionally manipulate. If you don't know what that is, just google it, take a cold, hard look at yourself, and then respond here in the shoutbox.
Reply to Noble Dust Asking for clarification is not an ad hom and saying you are emotionally unstable is not being emotionally manipulative. You ARE emotionally unstable. It is clear.
Reply to Posty McPostface I'm not sure, but it appears as though he is trying to convince you that your judgement of me is incorrect and while I may consider that manipulative, perhaps in the interest of mutually beneficial peace, we'll leave our conversations as nothing more than that.
I do not think it is philosophy or a philosophy that is life changing, but rather how philosophy enables you to think or rationalise that can be both positive and negative, the latter usually because the protective mechanisms we develop as a barrier from the difficulties we have with reality slowly disintegrates and that generates a kind of panic since our identity is disturbed by a consciousness we never really understood.
I would agree, but here I would make a distinction between practical philosophy for life, and philosophy as an intellectual pursuit. The latter, in my view, misses the point of philosophy - it analyses it without practically using it. Kind of like a business teacher at a university. He doesn't own a business, he doesn't do business with others, but he teaches it and analyses it. If it was just a hobby that one would spend little time on every day, I wouldn't be so skeptical about it. But the way philosophy is often analysed (here and in academia) puts me off. Paraphrasing Marcus Aurelius, we should stop talking about being good men and women, and just be them.
As for one of the practical purposes of philosophy, to relate it to the identity and consciousness that you raised, it definitely is clarity of mind. And that cannot be achieved without right techniques and habits that can be derived from philosophy, but don't necessarily have to be quoted by someone else. Talking endlessly about what 'clarity of mind' may mean can be interesting from an analytical point of view, but unless it fits the practical purpose, I find it fruitless.
The result is either retreating back into beliefs - having something to believe in kind of holds you together - or re-arranging your prejudices. To reach that level of empowerment or independence takes a considerable amount of time and effort.
Yes, empowerment and independence of character come after clarity in one's mind. If it takes a considerable amount of time, however, I'm not sure about.
Let's say I exercise. The exercise itself has benefits to my health, but can't naturally help me avert falling ill, having problems with muscles or the like. I may have achieved a healthy body after not too long a period of exercise, but because my body and my surrounding are changeable, I can fall ill anyway. So, it's not the exercise that was insufficient, and even after I recover, I can continue doing the same exercise. Similarly with philosophy, a routine and right habits may put me on a better track to live a good life. Bad things can and will happen. The purpose of the philosophy was to only get on that right track and live well. How long that takes, I don't know, but don't think there's a time scale that must be in a distant future.
My intuition tells me, that psychopaths make up about 1 percent of the general population. And, no psychopath entertains doubt due to a lack of empathy, so I can't imagine any of those strangefucks sitting around here all day. They have different goals. Understanding another person does not factor into the equation for their minds.
TimeLine, has shown time and time again, an enormous amount of courage, concern and dedication for the welfare of others on this forum. I do not understand whats preventing you from seeing that.
So I followed your response all the way back to where I told @TimeLine to "shut the fuck up". I told her that because she was turning the tables and trying to tell me I was emotionally unstable after I demonstrated how exactly she was emotionally unstable.
I would agree, but here I would make a distinction between practical philosophy for life, and philosophy as an intellectual pursuit. The latter, in my view, misses the point of philosophy - it analyses it without practically using it. Kind of like a business teacher at a university.
Great point, but sometimes I feel that they are not actually mutually exclusive but work in epistemic unity and so whether something you learn is relevant practically or not, it enables or strengthens your understanding and that can be applied in your interpretations. Think of it like this: you don't actually have static memories because as you continue to learn, your interpretations of those memories change. We learn about philosophy and we agree and disagree and start developing that independent language and how to process information and argue, but it takes time to become good men and women, as well as effort. Like a martial artist training everyday for hours on end until he reaches a point where he forgets everything he learns and becomes one with his skills.
I think you should be compelled to what interests you. I love moral and political philosophy, but I kind of have little interest in other areas and that is where the parallel lies between applied and intellectual. You choose what interests you first and foremost and then slowly begin to challenge and expand your thoughts. You just have to trust that things take time.
As for one of the practical purposes of philosophy, to relate it to the identity and consciousness that you raised, it definitely is clarity of mind. And that cannot be achieved without right techniques and habits that can be derived from philosophy, but don't necessarily have to be quoted by someone else. Talking endlessly about what 'clarity of mind' may mean can be interesting from an analytical point of view, but unless it fits the practical purpose, I find it fruitless.
I absolutely agree with you. You must find that independent route that works best for you because only you are aware of what you are capable of and what interests you; I also read Confucius and Lao Tzu to gain insight, despite their ambiguity, and included in that was film and fiction stories. If you are motivated by that primary goal of reaching that intellectual and emotional solidity, you will reach it but give your a realistic time-frame and I hope you can clarify why you feel that time here is a problem, could you explain?
Let's say I exercise. The exercise itself has benefits to my health, but can't naturally help me avert falling ill, having problems with muscles or the like. I may have achieved a healthy body after not too long a period of exercise, but because my body and my surrounding are changeable, I can fall ill anyway. So, it's not the exercise that was insufficient, and even after I recover, I can continue doing the same exercise. Similarly with philosophy, a routine and right habits may put me on a better track to live a good life. Bad things can and will happen. The purpose of the philosophy was to only get on that right track and live well. How long that takes, I don't know, but don't think there's a time scale that must be in a distant future.
I am not sure if that is the purpose of philosophy. It is indeed helpful, but so are many other non-philosophical things including scientific enquiry, friendships and associates, social sciences etc. You can learn almost everywhere but thinking without prejudice involves escaping the grip of set-beliefs as that broadens and expands your capacity to think with more clarity. Forums like this enables you to communicate what you are thinking and allows others to try and verify whether your thinking is correct and this exercises a learning process, but you need to be willing and engaged and I feel that you may be disengaged from the process. All I can say is that your intent is on the right track, but your motivation is not.
My favourite quote by Epitectus: "Since it is Reason which shapes and regulates all other things, it ought not itself to be left in disorder."
We'll be interviewing Agustino when he completes his sex reassignment surgery and promises to leave his new love for us. We accept nothing less than absolute commitment. :hearts:
:lol: What does the "interview" consist in? I'm a bit worried... :eyes:
It was her own decision. I don't have anything else official to add about that except to reiterate my thanks on behalf of the mod team for her help and for putting the hours in.
The forum is what it is. And this is what it is (among other things):
A community of over 2,000 members.
Number one on every search engine for philosophy forums.
The most active popular philosophy forum.
A repository of almost 200,000 posts.
A place that many of its members consider special, useful, and valuable.
What any one individual says or thinks about it or what adjective they choose to use is their prerogative, and hardly worth arguing over.
Yeah, it's done quite well. Shows how much Google loves content. And no better way to get content than with a forum. TPF has relatively few backlinks and low domain authority and still ranks so well.
Incidentally... PF's best link comes from a website with DA 62 which links to baldy baldy's post...
http://www. mackinac. org/productive-skills-not-college-degrees-key-to-economic-prosperity
Will leave the above as regular text, having 2-way links isn't very good :P
Incidentally... PF's best link comes from a website with DA 62 which links to baldy baldy's post...
http://www.mackinac.org/productive-skills-not-college-degrees-key-to-economic-prosperity
A bit confused with the lingo. How does it work? Clicked on the link but didn't see a link to us?
Baden, I feel like we have our own irreconcilable differences. I feel it's best if I just shut up and obey the pecking order just so I can have my own safe space. I like to be in control, not control others.
If we're adaptable enough most environments can work in our favour. But of course our personalities set limits which we should be aware of when choosing where to focus our energies.
One person's "tiresome" is another's "challenge" and you can still maintain the latter attitude while actively looking for, or looking to create, a more optimal environment. In fact, that's exactly what you should do. The alternative is something like limiting yourself to searching for a utopia that will never appear and always being disappointed at its inevitable absence and frustrated at others' disregard for your sensibilities. That uses up vital energy.
Posty, you have just as much part in creating the environment here as anyone else within some limits. So go ahead and create. The Shoutbox though will remain unpredictable and somewhat volatile. That's the nature of it. (That's not my doing. That's the way it's always been.)
I'm going to wait with what @unenlightened has to say. I feel as though his presence is needed.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 28, 2018 at 16:08#1831330 likes
Back from mucking horse shit at other people's ranches and I come back home here and it appears I need to muck some bullshit. Come on you guys...I am sick, like REALLY sick, head full of congestion and I am Sudafeded out.
Do not destroy in leaving what you built in coming...at the very least, the VERY least, part as friends who respect one another, regardless if you agree or not.
Life is too short to burn any bridges we have created together.
I do love you all, Sapientia included. :heart:
If you were a parent and your child wanted to share their deepest and intimate thoughts about themselves online, out in the open, without guided supervision, would you not feel concerned?
Reply to Posty McPostface Buggered if I know what y'all are on about. We are each other's environment, and yet we are only made of words as environment, but mainly made of emotions as responsiveness. I sincerely hope we are all "emotionally unstable" as someone put it way back; to be unaffected by others is simply not to ever encounter them as real people.
But in reading the emotion from the words, there is much room for error, and projection is the most common error. 'What you say makes me angry - therefore you are angry.'; 'You have upset me, therefore you are upset.' I recommend a pause for reflection - here be no monsters, only us monsters.
Do not destroy in leaving what you built in coming...at the very least, the VERY least, part as friends who respect one another, regardless if you agree or not.
Life is too short to burn any bridges we have created together.
I do love you all, Sapientia included.
You're right. It's upsetting. I like all the people involved in this death match.
Do not destroy in leaving what you built in coming...at the very least, the VERY least, part as friends who respect one another, regardless if you agree or not.
Life is too short to burn any bridges we have created together.
I do love you all, Sapientia included.
Now who is leaving? TimeLine seemed to be making departing sounds.
TimeLine says the forum isn't real. I disagree. The Philosophy Forum is as real as any other fictional community, and fictional communities are as real as rain. Take corporations like GM or Peugeot: One could blow up their factories, kill all their employees -- and stockholders too -- crush all the cars they had ever made and melt them down, but GM and Peugeot would still exist -- because they are an indestructible fiction. Indestructible until a court dissolves them and makes them really and truly disappear.
The Philosophy Forum is a real community because 2000 (or 2) people believe it is a community and treat it as such.
The 2000 members are real too -- even if we are anonymous. As far as I know, there are no AI members. Everybody is flesh and blood. Touchy, opinionated, sometimes secure, cruel and unusual, sometimes fragile, smarter, dumber--all depending on fluctuations in neurotransmitters, hormones, blood sugar, cortisol levels, how well the meds are working, time since last satisfying sexual encounter--flesh and blood.
As a real community of real people TPF is operating normally.
My feelings aren't mobile enough to rise to the level of love for everybody here, but there are some people who I like, and like a lot. There are a few I don't much like, and I do like you, Tiff. You have an essential role here.
Life is painful because we have emotions and these emotions send out tendrils to warn of incoming flak. Our tender tiny tendrils register hurt, anguish, and pain when the appalling, slanderous flak hits. Am I good at handling all this? Ugh, not really. I'm easily skewered, truth be told, and I hate it when that happens,
Life is painful because we have emotions and these emotions send out tendrils to warn of incoming flak. Our tender tiny tendrils register hurt, anguish, and pain when the appalling, slanderous flak hits. Am I good at handling all this? Ugh, not really. I'm easily skewered, truth be told, and I hate it when that happens,
I've gotten better at handling it over the years. "Better" does not mean "good."
I admitted that I may have misconstrued the context of others likely because of my own personal prejudices against these members - and also because I was feeling somewhat flustered at the time
I hold that the moment a person can articulate these darker thoughts, the more insight we have as to why they exist and thus is a very courageous thing to do. To be labelled as immoral often causes us to shut down and silence our thoughts, but introspection is very difficult and he did well to locate that part of his perceptions that we repress so well.
Agreed, however, I think it’s possible that he may not appreciate the fluid nature of out implicit associations, and also goes a step too far in imbuing others who are similar to himself with his implicit associations. That appears to have been Hanover’s objection.
TimeLine says the forum isn't real. I disagree. The Philosophy Forum is as real as any other fictional community, and fictional communities are as real as rain.
It is as real as we make it. :ok: Not sure why that comes across as disturbing, but I get the feeling that some people take that personally, like when you tell a religious person to let go of their beliefs. A kind of panic develops and people go on the defensive, insulting the other person's credibility to justify the wrongness of their opinion. I mean, goodness forbid I said - close to when I am departing - that the forum only provides epistemic value. Probably bad timing.
Yeah, about that. I was hoping to take TimeLine out for an internet date. Let's see what she says. :cool:
Sure, then we'll try to kiss afterwards and pretend some actual connectedness. There is a book Romulus, My Father where the father goes mad because he fell in love with a photo and letter written by a woman in another country. He made her real, present but he lost his mind when she married someone else because the photo and letter of her only exposed the depths of his loneliness.
Not sure why that comes across as disturbing, but I get the feeling that some people take that personally, like when you tell a religious person to let go of their beliefs. A kind of panic develops and people go on the defensive, insulting the other person's credibility to justify the wrongness of their opinion. I mean, goodness forbid I said - close to when I am departing - that the forum only provides epistemic value. Probably bad timing.
This strikes me as an attempt to spin the recent events where you claimed that Baden was trying to silence your comments and to threaten you into something to do with a disagreement over the purpose of this forum. Those were two entirely seperate issues actually.
Let me clarify.
The first issue (the one with Baden trying to silence you) resulted in some serious pushback because, well, it wasn't true. Then, as we discussed it (and by "discussed" I mean you called Baden and me idiots, among other things, and you even defriended people, something I previously thought was limited to Facebook), it morphed into a convo about racism, sexism, and anti-semitism, where you said Baden and I used those claims to shut down discussion. That then resulted into our discussing a specific episode where Baden and I supposedly did that, but the specific recorded discussions showed it didn't happen (thus the claims of your lack of credibility).
The other unrelated situation was when Sap said he thought this forum meant more than you suggested and you guys talked about that.
Just thought I'd keep the two matters clear and seperate because geez Louise you just keep accidently jamming things together that are unrelated.
@TimeLine
One of the most objectionable parts of this is quitting a job and then immediately seeking to reveal confidential information in order to undermine your former colleagues and disrupt their relationships with others. Worse, twisting that information so that it basically ended up being the opposite of what actually happened. But of course, you did nothing wrong, goodness forbid.
Reply to TimeLine Your purpose is provocation alone. There was no other reason to rehash this conversation today that I can see. Of course, one can always deny intent because we can't see into your head, so go ahead and do that.
Reply to Hanover It actually isn't. Because I say that I don't like or respect you and Baden is entirely separate and I already admitted some errors on my behalf. The rest appears defensive and exhibitionist over comments that are pretty normal. Am I not allowed to not like you?
Can you just get on with being a normal poster and drop it. If you can't figure out what you did wrong over the past while, fine, but stop doing it. None of us care about whether you like us or not. Honestly. It just doesn't matter. It's really boring now to have to listen to the same act over and over ad nauseum.
I wasn't disturbed at all. I just felt like affirming the realness of our fictional community at a time when there was a lot of muttering and nattering. The Church as a community inhabited by humans and Holy Spirit together is a fiction, one which billions of people find entirely compelling.
Fictive communities and other fictive entities aren't just "as real as we make it", they are just plain real. General Motors or Australia are both "fictions" in the sense that they were written into reality. So was The Philosophy Forum. Australia is real whether you like it or not. So is this small community real, believe it or not.
This isn't an attack on you, or anybody else. I'm just asserting that I think we are real. You too. Now let's go out for a few beers and dissolve the bad memories of days gone by.
This isn't an attack on you, or anybody else. I'm just asserting that I think we are real. You too. Now let's go out for a few beers and dissolve the bad memories of days gone by.
So, I went to the hospital yesterday, after my last post, to get anti-psychotic medication. My ego boundaries were almost entirely dissolved as some strange form of psychosis. Women in the ER room kept on calling me 'angel'. No voices or hallucinations.
I'm better now. Sorry for all the commotion; but, when your ego becomes next to non-existent, then well it ends up like rather poorly. Empathy just becomes boundless.
Sorry everyone. Thanks for not banning me yet. Rather unfortunate that TimeLine got banned. Can we undo that decision by any chance?
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 29, 2018 at 13:49#1833880 likes
@Posty McPostface
I am glad you are doing better. :flower:
I wish I could achieve that mental state, without the hard road it took you to get there.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 29, 2018 at 13:57#1833920 likes
There is a new activity amongst the women over 40 with their fellow women friends called "brieing".
One of the ladies thought they weren't laughing as much, enjoying each others company enough so they moved from drinking wine to taking a Molly (MDMA) coated in Brie cheese.
Now I have been told not to mess with anything more than cannabis but it sure is tempting idea...
Will I have to wear a tennis outfit to fit into this group?
One of the ladies thought they weren't laughing as much, enjoying each others company enough so they moved from drinking wine to taking a Molly (MDMA) coated in Brie cheese.
Just change your environment if you don't want to alter your perception of an existing one?
I’d ask why TL was banned but I know there doesn’t need to be a good reason. She was a valuable contributor. It seems like you might have tried harder because of that value, and for the sake of diversity.
There is a new activity amongst the women over 40 with their fellow women friends called "brieing".
One of the ladies thought they weren't laughing as much, enjoying each others company enough so they moved from drinking wine to taking a Molly (MDMA) coated in Brie cheese.
Now I have been told not to mess with anything more than cannabis but it sure is tempting idea...
Will I have to wear a tennis outfit to fit into this group?
There's a little known provision of the federal criminal code. It's perfectly legal to use any drug as long as you cover it with certain cheeses - brie, camembert, gruyere, or gorgozola. If you use velveeta, penalties are doubled.
I’d ask why TL was banned but I know there doesn’t need to be a good reason. She was a valuable contributor. It seems like you might have tried harder because of that value, and for the sake of diversity.
You know, if we we're all Borg, then we wouldn't even be having this problem.
I propose we administer a test before any post is made to make sure any unnecessary emotions are not present and don't create any alternation for the purpose of the discovery of the truth of the matter and/or topic.
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff
Hadn’t heard that one! Adding to TC’s excellent legal guidance :rofl: ... Assuming you are being at least a little facetious here, but I’ll just add the obvious point that the MA in MDMA stands for methamphetamine, of meth lab fame. Of course it is not identical, and has a better reputation being called the Hug Drug and Xctasy. But given the way meth destroys people’s health and appearance with ruthless speed, that group of 40-somethings might quickly be looking like toothless 80-somethings. One might be wiser to stay in the family of the Doobie Brothers, or cacti, or spotted fungus. :wink: That is, if wine ain’t fine. Personally, I’m a fan of the herb kava, which is very relaxing and “sociable”, legal and without the alcohol hangover. Although with any herb, caution and information is advised. :blush:
Reply to T Clark According to a little known Google map, Tiff lives in a Velveeta Zone. So do I, and I also live in a Cream of Mushroom Soup goolag. Before I became a food snob, I bought Kraft powdered cheddar to access its unique color enhancing qualities for mac & cheese.
Reply to Bitter Crank When I was a kid, no trip to grandma's was complete without endless Cheez Wiz and crackers. I owe my good looks to its secret ingredients.
According to a little known Google map, Tiff lives in a Velveeta Zone. So do I, and I also live in a Cream of Mushroom Soup goolag. Before I became a food snob, I bought Kraft powdered cheddar to access its unique color enhancing qualities for mac & cheese.
I thought when you said "cheese" you meant velveeta until I was 12. Although, we never had velveeta. We had chedobit, which was A&P's cheap velveeta knock-off. I'm the only one who will eat my macaroni and cheese, because it's velveeta all the way down.
My brother worked at A&P when he was a kid, but it closed down. I think they all closed down. Once he wanted to take a vacation with our family during the summer, but the store manager told him he couldn't have the time off, so my mother went down there and yelled at him and he got to go on the vacation.
That's not a cheese story, but it's sort of an Americana story so it fits in.
Reply to T Clark Once I made Campbell's cheese soup and a grilled cheese sandwich and dipped the sandwich in the soup. It was a lot of cheese to the extent that American cheese is actually cheese. It's a good meal to sort of slow things down if that's what you're aiming for.
Once I made Campbell's cheese soup and a grilled cheese sandwich and dipped the sandwich in the soup. It was a lot of cheese to the extent that American cheese is actually cheese. It's a good meal to sort of slow things down if that's what you're aiming for.
I'm feeling pretty down. I think for lunch I'll make what my mother used to make me for my birthday - velveeta macaroni and cheese and barbecued hot dogs. It's only about 900 calories.
That sounds like a pretty typical childhood meal. See if you have a Little Debbie snack treat for dessert or maybe a popsicle. Spill some on your shirt too and play outside until the streetlights come on. That's what I'd do if I didn't have to work and if it didn't seem weird to play under the streetlights.
Reply to Akanthinos Definitely don't disagree. She had a history of racist tweets prior to this that ABC tried to keep under wraps and assumed that she was on a tight leash. They had this coming. Can't wait for conservative outlets to chalk this up as "SJW outrage" and "Progressive though-policing".
Reply to Lone Wolf
Dairy allergy? Have you tried enzyme supplements? Different situation, but I’m allergic to gluten and get very sick :vomit: from it. With taking certain enzyme supplements with each meal, it’s like the allergy is gone. It was so great to have pizza again for the first time in five years. :grin:
Reply to 0 thru 9 No, doc gave me orders to stay away from it. I have autoimmune disorders. So no gluten, dairy, nuts, coconut, quinoa, millet, and very little eggs. I know all too well how it goes with gluten! A couple times my eye swelled shut cuz some dust from horse feed was in the air. Ingesting it is worse... :meh:
Reply to Lone Wolf
Oh wow, that’s a very serious allergy, much more severe than mine. And gluten is in potentially anything. Salad dressings and ketchup made with white vinegar would get me sick, and i had no clue why. Lost about 50 lbs and could barely sit up straight without getting tired. No fun. I had turned vegetarian prior and probably ate too much gluten, which is in many meat substitutes. It can gum up the intestinal lining.
So, are your auto-immune disorders otherwise tolerable, besides the food restrictions? (Sorry if you have already discussed this before).
I'm feeling pretty down. I think for lunch I'll make what my mother used to make me for my birthday - velveeta macaroni and cheese and barbecued hot dogs. It's only about 900 calories.
Not joking.
360 calories for Kraft mac'n cheese, per serving. Only 150 for a beef hot dog. Surprising! Must be because it's not really food.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 29, 2018 at 20:38#1834630 likes
NicK built the dogs a swimming pool on the back patio which they LOVE! BUT the doggie door leads into the Master Bathroom so it is quickly going to become a mud room.
The cuteness of it is Bailey my 3yr old male Rottweiler trying to get one of the other dogs to go swimming at 6am. :lol: :heart: :razz:
360 calories for Kraft mac'n cheese, per serving. Only 150 for a beef hot dog. Surprising! Must be because it's not really food.
Right "per serving." Generally, serving size on food packaging is about half of what a normal person usually eats, e.g. Progresso soup - one can equals two servings.
Doesn't matter anyway, when I decide to have M&C with hotdogs, I've decided "to hell with living to 80."
Saw the new Star Wars last night. Pretty meh, but still fun. Just go in with low expectations. Lots of weird Star Wars creatures, which is honestly half the fun.
Thank you everybody. It doesn't seem like the same world, knowing he's not in it. We're trying to make sure the community around his wife is strong. She says his son is kicking like crazy.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 30, 2018 at 12:30#1836370 likes
Thank you everybody. It doesn't seem like the same world, knowing he's not in it. We're trying to make sure the community around his wife is strong. She says his son is kicking like crazy.
Frank, I do hope you know that your community here will give you the strength to be strong for his wife and their family. It helps create a network of support, so when one person feels the immenseness of the moment, there is someone to hold them up.
God's Speed to healing this hurting family~ :heart:
Everyone will be happy if you leave the peas out of the Potatoes au gratin! I have never heard of "lets pour a bag of peas into this to make it taste better." Never happened, wouldn't be prudent.
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff The box I buy doesn't contain peas, but I guess some moms out there mix in peas so their kids will eat their vegetables and then they discuss how there are kids dying in Africa. If you'd just put your dirty dish in the dishwasher instead of leaving it in the sink, it'd save so much time. Just reliving my youth after seeing T Clark's plastic bowl filled with mac and cheese, the kind with the florescent orange powder that turns into fine aged cheese. Did you know it tastes the same whether you mix it up with water or milk? It's magic that way, just like everything was magic when you were a kid. Then you learn that mac and cheese cheese is really just bullshit powder no one takes seriously that they make in a factory downtown.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 30, 2018 at 14:17#1836670 likes
The box I buy doesn't contain peas, but I guess some moms out there mix in peas so their kids will eat their vegetables and then they discuss how there are kids dying in Africa. If you'd just put your dirty dish in the dishwasher instead of leaving it in the sink, it'd save so much time. Just reliving my youth after seeing T Clark's plastic bowl filled with mac and cheese, the kind with the florescent orange powder that turns into fine aged cheese. Did you know it tastes the same whether you mix it up with water or milk? It's magic that way, just like everything was magic when you were a kid. Then you learn that mac and cheese cheese is really just bullshit powder no one takes seriously that they make in a factory downtown.
Let me break down my childhood for you here. First of all, the kids who were dying of starvation were in China not Africa, comeon dude, your long term recall is fading. I am the dishwasher in this house just as my Mom was the dishwasher when I was growing up. We kids moved out and THEN they got a dishwasher, the kind you plug in, that has to contain prewashed dishes before you turn it on to spit water on your dishes, just so the increase in the electrical bill makes it seem worth it but hey who needs a wife?
Not only did my Mom try to pass off "the water is just as good milk" as the once wet, now dry, about to be made wet again, dried milk. If you were blindfolded, I bet you would taste the difference. Mom believed in Generic foods, remember the all white packaging except for the words in big BOLD black of what was in the package was? There was literally NO way of hiding the fact that it was generic food as opposed to name brand. Now before you sing the praises of Generic food to me, buy a box of Generic Mac N Cheese, cook it per instructions and tell me you cannot taste the difference.
As far as the peas being added by Mom, that you nailed. Sit back and have a listen to the wisdom of Tiff's Moms' Mom.
When my Mom was growing up, neither she nor my Grampa liked veggies and that made my Granny get 'creative'. My Granny made the best, the BEST Parsley Mashed Potatoes! So when my Mom got married, she tried on multiple occasions to recreate Granny's Parsley Mashed Potatoes but couldn't get it to taste the same. Mom asked Granny what it could possibly be that made them not taste the same? Granny asked what Mom was putting into her Parsley Mashed Potatoes? Mom answered with a strong list of: potatoes, parsley and a little butter. Granny laughed and said that's where you are going wrong. To which my Mother non to pleased asked what was really in her Parsley Mashed Potatoes? Granny answered: take out the parsley and put in spinach and see if that changes the outcome of the dish. :wink:
The box I buy doesn't contain peas, but I guess some moms out there mix in peas so their kids will eat their vegetables and then they discuss how there are kids dying in Africa. If you'd just put your dirty dish in the dishwasher instead of leaving it in the sink, it'd save so much time. Just reliving my youth after seeing T Clark's plastic bowl filled with mac and cheese, the kind with the florescent orange powder that turns into fine aged cheese. Did you know it tastes the same whether you mix it up with water or milk? It's magic that way, just like everything was magic when you were a kid. Then you learn that mac and cheese cheese is really just bullshit powder no one takes seriously that they make in a factory downtown.
Two issues:
[1] That wasn't a plastic bowl, it was my favorite orange porcelain bowl given to me by my son for Christmas. Last seen in the "Beautiful Things" discussion. [2] It's not Kraft Mac & Cheese, it's from scratch macaroni and cheese made with real, authentic velveeta, not powder. Well, I didn't make the macaroni, but I did boil it.
When my Mom was growing up, neither she nor my Grampa liked veggies and that made my Granny get 'creative'. My Granny made the best, the BEST Parsley Mashed Potatoes! So when my Mom got married, she tried on multiple occasions to recreate Granny's Parsley Mashed Potatoes but couldn't get it to taste the same. Mom asked Granny what it could possibly be that made them not taste the same? Granny asked what Mom was putting into her Parsley Mashed Potatoes? Mom answered with a strong list of: potatoes, parsley and a little butter. Granny laughed and said that's where you are going wrong. To which my Mother non to pleased asked what was really in her Parsley Mashed Potatoes? Granny answered: take out the parsley and put in spinach and see if that changes the outcome of the dish.
It is well known that, when your mashed potatoes don't taste quite right, you just add more butter. ***Warning*** Does not work on powdered mashed potatoes.
When I was a kid, only kids starved in Africa. What I knew of China back then was the single Chinese restaurant nearby that my parents never took me to. In the rare instances when we did eat out, it was at the Western Sizzlin, where the number 4 was simply delicious, steak with mushroom sauce of some sort.
Once on my cousin's birthday, my aunt and uncle took us all to that Chinese restaurant, and that's where I first tried sweet and sour chicken and was amazed that they could make candy coated chicken, still a treat for special occasions.
Mom having left us early, my brother and I became the dishwashers and we cleaned with incredible efficiency, losing a dish or glass here or there as we sought to beat our prior record. I think we got it under 3 minutes. My grandmother once remarked how amazing we were at it. Once my brother got a pretty good stab in the hand from a mishandled knife at hyperspeed. He of course handled it with grace and professionalism, as the show must go on.
It seems I ate a lot of peas as a kid. My father used to say "eat every carrot and pea on your plate." It might actually have been that joke that was the reason we had peas, it being so funny and all. My ex didn't like peas. I know. Who doesn't like peas?
[1] That wasn't a plastic bowl, it was my favorite orange porcelain bowl given to me by my son for Christmas. Last seen in the "Beautiful Things" discussion.
[2] It's not Kraft Mac & Cheese, it's from scratch macaroni and cheese made with real, authentic velveeta, not powder. Well, I didn't make the macaroni, but I did boil it.
1. Yeah, well, the bowl is only beautiful because your son gave it to you. Otherwise, it's not much to look at it.
2. Pouring liquid yellow shit all over the ancient noodles you had stored in your pantry is hardly "from scratch." From scratch is that bubbling crusty stuff that comes out of the oven like I described before.
2. Pouring liquid yellow shit all over the ancient noodles you had stored in your pantry is hardly "from scratch." From scratch is that bubbling crusty stuff that comes out of the oven like I described before.
No. Macaroni and Cheese is cooked on the stove top. If you put it in the oven, it becomes pâtes avec fromage.
Reply to Lone Wolf I found this article listing the cheeses the lactose intolerant might be able to eat: https://www.realsimple.com/food-recipes/recipe-collections-favorites/popular-ingredients/cheese-can-eat-lactose-intolerant.
I'm not sure if it's lactose intolerance or something else that keeps you off the cheese wagon, but if it is, try these one at a time and see how the old gut reacts and let us know and of course send us pics.
Reply to Hanover Thanks, but I'm really allergic to the casein. Like, if I get milk on my hand, I get a horrible itchy rash... :sad: Oh well.
Send you pics of my gut? :eyes: :lol:
There's nothing froufrou about southern style baked mac and cheese.
That is not southern baked mac n cheese, that is a meatless lasagna! What a bastardized thing to do to such a luscious dish as homemade lasagna like Nona used to make.
How is your heart? :worry:
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 31, 2018 at 13:55#1840430 likes
That is not southern baked mac n cheese, that is a meatless lasagna! What a bastardized thing to do to such a luscious dish as homemade lasagna like Nona used to make.
How is your heart?
But really, it fits right in with the other Meat and 3 food - hockey puck hamburger "steak;" powdered mashed potatoes; canned banana pudding; dry, tasteless cornbread, greasy fried okra.
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff No lasagna noodles, no meat, no veggies, no tomato sauce, just cheese and mac. If that is lasagna in the Tiff fam, y'all must be from the south parts of Italy.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 31, 2018 at 16:57#1840930 likes
. If that is lasagna in the Tiff fam, y'all must be from the south parts of Italy.
25% Italian / 25% Hungarian / 25% Bohemian / 25% Lithuanian = One Tiff who is one hell of a cook, a little temper that can get riled but one who loves unconditionally.
Now, having said that, you are correct in what you posted is not your traditional lasagna but look at the ingredients: cheese...noodles. .. ?
No?? :yum:
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 31, 2018 at 17:00#1840940 likes
@Hanover
And just look what we are doing to @Lone Wolf she is going to have a full.body allergic reaction!
No, we are going to have to find a cheese less Macaroni and cheese dish. :starstruck:
25% Italian / 25% Hungarian / 25% Bohemian / 25% Lithuanian = One Tiff who is one hell of a cook, a little temper that can get riled but one who loves unconditionally.
Reply to ErikReply to 0 thru 9 Rooting for the Cavs too. GS have been increasingly aggressive, so I'm predicting they'll win this game, although this game has been very close throughout, so it's up in the air.
Apparently, this game has given LeBron 109 30-point games, tying with MJ. Insane.
Sport should be like sex, permitted in private among consenting adults, but illegal performed for money, immoral to watch, and not talked about in polite society.
Sport should be like sex, permitted in private among consenting adults, but illegal performed for money, immoral to watch, and not talked about in polite society.
Agreed. Especially about sex -- it should be free, like art. I hate paying pimping museums who demand a fee to look at their art.
What is this thing you call "cricket"? We play hurling in Ireland. You get a stick, you hit the opposite team with it and sometimes a little ball called a sliotar. Last team standing wins.
As the ground of being, it is an insult that you beg me for heaven, on your feet. I want to see every man, woman, mix, and child, on either your stomachs or backs, at once. You will do this willingly, before or after, I release the angel of death, in all its glory. I am always the last man standing, in every new world. You've been warned. June 1st, 2018
Dearest and Esteemed and Lofty Mount Everyth, incarnation of Sheeva,
As an expendable member of this forum, I have been commanded by my superiors (which really could be just about any person, several cats, and a dog or two) to appease you. I humbly approachth thee with head bowed while facing backwards. And with fear and trembling and possibly soiled undergarments. Spare my worthless life, and forgive the nonsensical prattling that goes on here. Especially in the Shoutbox. Mostly by those who incorrectly refer to themselves as Americans. Or have an avatar with feathers. Or use texting words in their posts, which OMG is sooooo annoysville! Amirite? ;p
If thee are some wrathful (though just) spirit of one who was unfairly banned, we beg a thousand pardons. But we can go higher if you want to haggle. Accept our burnt offering of a pile of books by post-modern philosophers, or the Richard Dawkins wannabe of your choice. We beg thy mercy, wisdom, and tender caresses. Just pleez sparth our Moderators. Without them, we would even be more lost. Thankth thee... or thou. (sorry, I’m not used to be being sacrificial messenger. By the way, are you perhaps a new Marvel superhero promoting a movie? Because I’d love to see it. If not, pleez add to to list of things we need forgiveness for) :flower:
Reply to 0 thru 9 A worthy response, but I fear our esteemed poster has already been banned, but, not to worry, he'll probably respond to you in the short interval between when he next returns and is again summarily banned. It say this because it appears that Everyth is an incarnation of a prior banned member already.
Reply to Hanover
:up: Ah, I see. Thank you. Your notice is appreciated; and your appreciation is noted. Was trying to stave off a Zombie apocalypse, which might look good on the resume, but really needs a team with at least masters degrees and several all-terrain vehicles. Reincarnated vengeful sock puppets usually require some sort of exorcism, or perhaps a strong insect repellent. Thanks again! Have to go now. There’s someone at my door with a long dark robe. Mormons probably... :death: :scream:
Reply to Akanthinos Your response was what I expected based upon the way I set the riddle up, but actually, no. Fred barks at the empty street because he feels the sadness of a life poorly lived. A more pensive pup there's never been. It's either that or he has shit for brains.
Reply to Hanover
The cheese is ripe, and so is the time for cheese to have its own thread! Cheese commentary has been languishing in the Shoutbox for far too long. Free the Cheese! Who’s with us? Macaroni lovers, what say you? And where is the cheese emoji?
Reply to Lone Wolf
Oh no! Is there any hope of saving her or him? Sad to hear that... After what you described before that you have been through, the kitten was probably a great comfort having around.
Reply to Hanover Reply to 0 thru 9
I'm not sure if it will live. It got really dehydrated in this heat and was barely responding. I got some electrolyte down it with a syringe dropper, but it is a very tiny kitten, barely big enough to toddle about. It was starting to get up just a little bit ago, so I put it back with its mother hoping she will give it some milk soon.
Oh, I know we have a cricket team although it's not a popular sport in Ireland. They did beat England once I think. I don't know what test cricket status means. Sounds good though.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 02, 2018 at 13:33#1845820 likes
I am not a very religious person, spiritual but not too religious based. When I started working for a Chiropractor, there was a poster on the wall of the office I was taking possession of and I left it up because I thought the Doctor wanted it up. I grew quite fond of it through the years, had it framed and it still hangs on Doctor's wall. I found comfort in the idea that Stoicism seemed to be present where God was traditionally placed.
The poster simply said that "The power that made the body, can heal the body".
So with a soft energy boost, I send the kitten my healing vibes, knowing that "The power that made the body, can heal the body". :flower: :pray: :heart:
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 02, 2018 at 13:38#1845830 likes
@Hanover
I am just warning you in advance that if you want to debate your absurd idea that a Chiropractor is NOT a real Doctor, you had better enter that fight with chocolate in addition to your keyboard. :brow:
I wouldn't suggest crossing this line>>_______________________________ with me right now.
Wouldn't be right, wouldn't be prudent, nope. :fire:
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 02, 2018 at 13:41#1845840 likes
Can you name this song with the lyrics provided without the help of the Internet?
"Out on the road today, I saw a deadhead sticker on a Cadillac
A little voice inside my head said, "Don't look back, you can never look back"
I thought I knew what love was
What did I know?
Those days are gone forever
I should just let them go but..."
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 02, 2018 at 13:45#1845870 likes
@Baden
You must admit that the envelope from North Korea was HUGE even by Trumps' standards.
Now come the logistics, word on the street is that Kim cannot afford the hotel charges for the summit.
Know of any nation that has hotel travel rewards they aren't using?
Ha, I just read that actually. You and your fellow taxpayers will be footing the bill, I guarantee it.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 02, 2018 at 13:50#1845900 likes
109* forecasted for tomorrow.
If anyone here is interested in a Ranch in Arizona, drop me a PM.
Phoenix's motto of "The Valley of the Sun" has been changed to "The Surface of the Sun". Over 60 days without a spit of moisture from Mother Nature. I have danced my rain dance but a little birdie told me that we are lookin, hopefully, for a rain storm a solid month from now. However this beautiful ranch is on it's own well and is as wet as can be. No water hauling for you or your animals! :up:
Ha, I just read that actually. You and your fellow taxpayers will be footing the bill, I guarantee it.
Oh we cannot do that! As it is, traditionally speaking, Trump broke the rule of only using the Oval Office for dignitaries of friendly nations.
So, maybe Singapore could bump Kim a VIP suite but no, the USA would look like it is paying for peace and that is not the case.
We gained the release of three of our citizens being held hostage without spending a dime and we aren't going to start paying our way to peace now.
But I think I heard him saying that the new budget for 2019 for the military is 700 billion and 900 billion in 2020. I couldn't believe I was hearing what I was hearing. So either our military is that emaciated or we are spending billions and billions for peace. :chin:
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ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 02, 2018 at 14:04#1845940 likes
Over 60 days without a spit of moisture from Mother Nature.
One of the first things I noticed when I flew west of the Mississippi for the first time is how dry everything is out there. I've been to Phoenix once. I remember looking down and seeing just brown. No green anywhere. Flying out of Amirillo, the only green was the circular areas in fields irrigated by pivot irrigators. Flying over Utah, I was amazed by the contradiction - one of the driest places on earth and everywhere you see evidence of erosion. Here in New England, which is very wet, you never see that because the glaciers scraped it away and vegetation covers it up.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 02, 2018 at 14:39#1846120 likes
One of the first things I noticed when I flew west of the Mississippi for the first time is how dry everything is out there. I've been to Phoenix once. I remember looking down and seeing just brown. No green anywhere. Flying out of Amirillo, the only green was the circular areas in fields irrigated by pivot irrigators. Flying over Utah, I was amazed by the contradiction - one of the driest places on earth and everywhere you see evidence of erosion. Here in New England, which is very wet, you never see that because the glaciers scraped it away and vegetation covers it up.
:cry: weeping in jealousy but even my tears are dry :fire:
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 02, 2018 at 14:43#1846150 likes
I never liked the Eagles much, but I really love Don Henley solo.
Me Too!! I saw him in concert and was close enough that when he pulled up a stool to tell a story, I stood up and SCREAMED "I LOVE YOU" and he actually blushed! OMG one of the most amazing moments in my life when he said "I love you too"...[hide] that kept me on a 6 month eargasm[/hide]
The best time ever!!!
Me Too!! I saw him in concert and was close enough that when he pulled up a stool to tell a story, I stood up and SCREAMED "I LOVE YOU" and he actually blushed! OMG one of the most amazing moments in my life when he said "I love you too"...that kept me on a 6 month eargasm
The best time ever!!!
Well, when I said "love" I meant his music, not his body.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 02, 2018 at 14:46#1846180 likes
It is Chiropractic Medicine, not a "theory". :roll:
The theory is that the "life force" transmits down the spine and improper alignments down the spine result in ALL physical illness (from back aches to depression to kidney disease), thus requiring adjustments to bring the spine in proper alignment for the life force to transmit properly.
The truth is that "adjustments" in no way alter the alignment of the spine (and it's a good thing the protector of your spinal cord is not easily malleable).
It's glorified massage. If lawyers didn't need a way to "medically" document and treat subjective complaints of injury from car wrecks, there'd be no chiropractors.
Its kinda funny, Trudeau's got hit a lot lately for a bunch of different reasons, but since Trump basically pushed him up the moral high-ground, he's gonna be able to milk this insanity for so much goodwill, he could build a pipeline right in the middle of Montreal and he'd still get elected.
Reply to Akanthinos Yeah, if only my stupid dog would have left the nest of them alone then the mom cat could have had fewer worries and focused on her babies...
Reply to Hanover I think a lot of quackopracty is baloney, but if the field was based on 'energy flows' and spinal adjustment to "straighten out the flow", some of what quacko/chiropractors do is medically valid. Osteopathy is in a similar situation. "Osteopaths" (as opposed to physicians with degrees from colleges of osteopathic medicine) are thought to have some beneficial therapies, while full fledged physicians of osteopathic medicine are pretty much the same as ordinary medical doctors.
Hypnosis and acupuncture both 'work' in some situations. My guess is that belief helps both fields a great deal. On the other hand, acupuncture seems to work on animals, too, if you can get the pissed off lion to sit still long enough.
Towering over hypnosis, acupuncture, and quackopracty, however, is the giant baloney tube of Reiki therapy, which involves imparting healing energy to the 'patient' through the therapist's palms. Actually touching the 'patient' or fraud victim is not considered necessary to impart the marvelous healing vibe.
One of the first things I noticed when I flew west of the Mississippi for the first time is how dry everything is out there.
There is an east/west continental divide between more or less dry "arid" and more or less humid "watered" zones. The line is more or less parallel with the Mississippi River and cuts north/south through the middle of the Dakotas and on south. It is gradually moving eastward.
Reply to Bitter Crank I'd submit that the bullshit winner is homeopathy, which posits that various chemicals and herbal remedies be given for illness based on the "like cures like" principle and that dilution increases potency. So, you take your potion and put a dropper of it in a swimming pool and then you extract out a dropper full of that and you have one powerful dose of bullshit.
Don't blame the dog too much, tho. Feline mothers are pretty renown for not caring about the runt. That's why they remain runts and become unhealthy quickly. :sad:
Reply to Akanthinos If she would stop taking them out of the litter, then the mom cat could feed them. She was taking care of it, but then the dog slobbered on the baby... : /
If she would stop taking them out of the litter, then the mom cat could feed them. She was taking care of it, but then the dog slobbered on the baby... : /
Its not necessarily bad to separate the runt from the mother. I've had a lot of cats, and the last 3 I've had I chose to take the runt earlier on than I would normally with other kittens. Otherwise the other kittens pick on them too much, and push them away from the tit.
And in my experience, runts become the most sociable and lovable ones when they grow.
What is also interesting in that whole economic war is that the law used to justify the tarrifs has always been available to any and all countries to use, but until now, no one had done so, because it is entirely self-justificating.
And sadly, there is nothing the OMC will be able to do about it.
At this point americans are setting themselves so that the entire planet, including their closest allies, will want to hack their elections. The risk is just too great not to.
Have at it. We'll just hack up yours worse. We win at everything.
There aren't really any candidate of the caliber of Trump up here, tho. The closest would be Doug Ford, and 90% of our country rejoice at seeing Ontario suffer. Its only what they deserve.
Right, but Minnesotans are forever complaining about how humid it is. (We probably don't know what humid is.) So, when the relative humidity hovers around 15%, we'll finally be happy.
Reply to Akanthinos Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes just giving them extra food separately and then keeping them with the litter is okay too. Reply to Bitter Crank Haven't seen the mothers do it, just the results after the tomcat.
I'd submit that the bullshit winner is homeopathy, which posits that various chemicals and herbal remedies be given for illness based on the "like cures like" principle and that dilution increases potency. So, you take your potion and put a dropper of it in a swimming pool and then you extract out a dropper full of that and you have one powerful dose of bullshit.
From "That Mitchell and Webb Look," the funniest television since the Simpsons was funny.
[quote=Sabine Hossenfelder]I can't believe what this once-venerable profession has become. Theoretical physicists used to explain what was observed. Now they try to explain why they can't explain what was not observed. And they're not even good at that.[/quote]
Hossenfelder might be a bit pessimistic, but the universe doesn't really care about our efforts.
As suggested by Turok, perhaps we should keep our expectations in check, and keep at it if we want to understand the world better.
Incidentally, I've come across a Christian physics student that claimed to have proven The Trinity from quantum mechanics more or less. Mathiness.
If that truly was the case, that Chiropractic care crippled people, then the Chiropractic malpractice insurance would be astronomical based on the cost/risk ratio, right? But the average cost of medical malpractice insurance can range from 12k to 40k a year for an MD and between 1.5k and 3k a year for a Chiropractor.
Ummm…..errrr…..it doesn't exactly flesh out like you thought it would. :roll:
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 04, 2018 at 11:38#1852500 likes
The theory is that the "life force" transmits down the spine and improper alignments down the spine result in ALL physical illness (from back aches to depression to kidney disease), thus requiring adjustments to bring the spine in proper alignment for the life force to transmit properly.
In the same way that Medical Doctors will tell you that they are just the extended hands of God while during surgery. The inflated theory you are talking about is part of the foundation but very few practicing Chiropractors will talk to their patients about life force. When Chiropractors talk to their patients about "life forces" they are talking about the everyday stresses that all of us feel from our boss being an ass to the stress from the hectic traffic.
The truth is that "adjustments" in no way alter the alignment of the spine (and it's a good thing the protector of your spinal cord is not easily malleable).
Adjustments allow the movement of the spine back into alignment. For instance, when you strain your back from going water skiing and come in stiff to the Doc's office, what you feel as "stiff" is the muscles around where you strained your back splinting the vertebrae in place.
A glorified massage? A massage deals with the muscles in the body and a Chiropractor deals with the skeletal frame of the body. Notice the difference? Notice the >>>>>>_________________________? :brow:
The inflated theory you are talking about is part of the foundation but very few practicing Chiropractors will talk to their patients about life force.
They have to offer some explanation for why "aligning" the spine will result in better health, and that is their general claim. They do not simply submit that rubbing one's back makes one's back feel better, but they claim that periodic chiropractic adjustments result in better general health in some holistic sense. The general chiropractic community has moved away from its snake oil type roots, but the basic theory of manipulation = better health remains and there is no scientific proof for that.Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Adjustments allow the movement of the spine back into alignment. For instance, when you strain your back from going water skiing and come in stiff to the Doc's office, what you feel as "stiff" is the muscles around where you strained your back splinting the vertebrae in place.
There are two problems with this argument: (1) If your spine came out of alignment after you've been skiing, you'd be in the hospital, likely in intensive care, and (2) if a chiropractor could change the alignment of your spine by cracking your back, you'd be lying next to the person in the intensive care who was just injured in the ski accident.
There are fewer bullshit theories than chiropractic "subluxations," which are defined by medical radiologists as a partial dislocation, clearly identifiable on an X-ray. To a radiologist, a subluxation has nothing to do with overall health, but it has to do with the specific health of the vertebra affected. Medical radiologists and chiropractors offer entirely different opinions when reading the same film, with the chiro finding subluxations on clean films. They find these subluxations (and I've deposed hundred of them) by looking at the films, running their hands on the patients' backs, and then (you guessed it) asking the patient where they hurt. If they point to the L4-5 level, not surprisingly, that's where they "find" the subluxation.
There is no evidence that the manipulation itself changes the spinal alignment. A before and after x-ray will be the same, except (you guessed it), the patient will later say it doesn't hurt at L4-5, which must mean the spine is back in alignment (despite the fact that it never was out of alignment).
My point here is that the basic theory is nonsense. Spinal alignment and manipulation has nothing to do with overall health and the spine is unaffected by the treatment.
The question then is if we have tens of thousands of satisfied customers of chiropractic, how can it be the horseshit I contend? The answer is that if you rub on a hurt back, it'll feel better, thus my claim that it's glorified massage. Chiropractic does nothing to the skeletal structure of the spine.Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Rich! Rich! Rich! Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee Chiropractors get screwed by attorneys all day long.
Could you please take a reduction? Please? :down:
What you have identified in this statement probably will come as a surprise to many of our non-American posters who have no idea of the nonsense that is the American tort system.
Here's what happens: A person is injured in a car accident. He goes to his lawyer and asks what he needs to do. His lawyer tells him he needs to treat and document his injuries as well as build up some healthcare bills so that he can have something to sue over. His lawyer then sends him to a chiropractor for that purpose. The chiropractor creates bills for the treatment provided, but makes not effort at collecting them up front. He has the patient sign a lien, stating that the patient will pay the bill after the lawsuit has been resolved. The lawyer then submits those bills and negotiates settlement with the insurance company who insures the person who caused the collision, and they arrive at a settlement figure. The lawyer then has to divide that settlement money so that his client, the lawyer himself, and the chiropractor can all get paid reasonably. That is when the lawyer calls and asks the chiropractor for a reduction in fees.
The truth is that the chiropractor is in the game (giving referrals to the lawyer and the lawyer giving referrals to the chiropractor) and fully expects there will be later negotiations over fees once settlement is reached. In fact, the chiropractor will inflate his fees in anticipation of the later reduction.
If, as you say, the chiropractors are unhappy with the lawyers haggling them down on fees, why don't they just refuse the reduction and sue their patients? They don't refuse because they're in bed with the lawyers and they have no other way of making money than by working off liens and waiting on settlements.
They have to offer some explanation for why "aligning" the spine will result in better health, and that is their general claim. They do not simply submit that rubbing one's back makes one's back feel better, but they claim that periodic chiropractic adjustments result in better general health in some holistic sense. The general chiropractic community has moved away from its snake oil type roots, but the basic theory of manipulation = better health remains and there is no scientific proof for that.
Meh, it is all in the approach to Chiropractic medicine. Simply put, when the weekend warrior who is 47 yrs old and decided it would be fun to go water skiing for the first time since he was 17, is sitting in my lobby, singing the praises of the ice pack I just applied while he waits for the Doc (DC) is an illusion?
There are two problems with this argument: (1) If your spine came out of alignment after you've been skiing, you'd be in the hospital, likely in intensive care, and (2) if a chiropractor could change the alignment of your spine by cracking your back, you'd be lying next to the person in the intensive care who was just injured in the ski accident.
1) A subluxation of a vertebrae is not the same as example 1
2) After all these years of depositions and trials that you claim to have settled, tell me how many times a Chiropractor has spoken of "cracking" a patients back. If you can use the words subluxation then you can use the word manipulation or adjustment appropriately.
There are fewer bullshit theories than chiropractic "subluxations," which are defined by medical radiologists as a partial dislocation, clearly identifiable on an X-ray. To a radiologist, a subluxation has nothing to do with overall health, but it has to do with the specific health of the vertebra affected. Medical radiologists and chiropractors offer entirely different opinions when reading the same film, with the chiro finding subluxations on clean films. They find these subluxations (and I've deposed hundred of them) by looking at the films, running their hands on the patients' backs, and then (you guessed it) asking the patient where they hurt. If they point to the L4-5 level, not surprisingly, that's where they "find" the subluxation.
There is no evidence that the manipulation itself changes the spinal alignment. A before and after x-ray will be the same, except (you guessed it), the patient will later say it doesn't hurt at L4-5, which must mean the spine is back in alignment (despite the fact that it never was out of alignment).
My point here is that the basic theory is nonsense. Spinal alignment and manipulation has nothing to do with overall health and the spine is unaffected by the treatment
Tell me then why health insurance companies cover Chiropractic Care under their Medical Insurance? Medicare (the nay or yay sayer of sad standards) covers Chiropractic care, why?
The question then is if we have tens of thousands of satisfied customers of chiropractic, how can it be the horseshit I contend? The answer is that if you rub on a hurt back, it'll feel better, thus my claim that it's glorified massage. Chiropractic does nothing to the skeletal structure of the spine.
I have been asking you the same question for over a decade but you have yet to hear me.
WHY would you NOT believe that Chiropractic care is of the skeletal frame and a "rub" (even massage therapists would thwap you for using such terms) is performed by a licensed Massage therapists. Chiropractors can give adjustments AND rub the muscles but a Massage therapist while able to rub your muscles cannot give you a Chiropractic adjustment.
What you have identified in this statement probably will come as a surprise to many of our non-American posters who have no idea of the nonsense that is the American tort system.
Here's what happens: A person is injured in a car accident. He goes to his lawyer and asks what he needs to do. His lawyer tells him he needs to treat and document his injuries as well as build up some healthcare bills so that he can have something to sue over. His lawyer then sends him to a chiropractor for that purpose. The chiropractor creates bills for the treatment provided, but makes not effort at collecting them up front. He has the patient sign a lien, stating that the patient will pay the bill after the lawsuit has been resolved. The lawyer then submits those bills and negotiates settlement with the insurance company who insures the person who caused the collision, and they arrive at a settlement figure. The lawyer then has to divide that settlement money so that his client, the lawyer himself, and the chiropractor can all get paid reasonably. That is when the lawyer calls and asks the chiropractor for a reduction in fees.
The truth is that the chiropractor is in the game (giving referrals to the lawyer and the lawyer giving referrals to the chiropractor) and fully expects there will be later negotiations over fees once settlement is reached. In fact, the chiropractor will inflate his fees in anticipation of the later reduction.
And this my friends is a brief look into the making of the sausage called Law.
If, as you say, the chiropractors are unhappy with the lawyers haggling them down on fees, why don't they just refuse the reduction and sue their patients? They don't refuse because they're in bed with the lawyers and they have no other way of making money than by working off liens and waiting on settlements.
I didn't say the Doctors themselves don't appreciate the give and take of a good law firm, that would be silly of them and you.
However, I was not the person going out to lunch, enjoying a cold one as we bullshit about our family and our golf games (kinda Lorreta Lynch style) joking when the tab comes as to who wants to pay for it because it is just going to be written off anyway...
No. I was the office manager. I was the one that had to explain to our personal injury patients why it is that, even though it is true that we would be willing to withhold collections on their bill during treatment, it was based also on the truth that I was going to have to file a "County Lien" until their bill was paid.
Ummm… learning curve....first, make sure you have a written acknowledgement that they understand what I have explained in what filing a "County Lien" entails. That until their bill is satisfied with our office, anyone who looked up their name and SS# would see a lien on them. OMG one of my first patients sued us for placing a lien, without her permission, and she was applying for a mortgage.
Second) keep really GOOD track of when liens are applied and RELEASED.
Third) the Doc would reduce our bills way lower than I would have ever offered but I was not the owner of the practice nor was I in the networking position.
I was however the person appointed to explain to an existing patient, who has regular Health Ins, that now that they were in a car accident, we had to start a new file and here is this lien thing and needing to research the Health Insurance's policy on subjugation.
I get it, I did it, I am not bitching I am just saying that despite the hoops and Lion Mouths, it is an American circus that requires everyone to play their part.
That doesn't mean that your client needs any less representation nor does that negate the effects on a person after they have been treated by a Chiropractor.
I am not suggesting that a person cannot heal on their own. What I am suggesting is that a person will heal quicker, with less residuals (the reason we do Ultrasound and Muscle stim) with Chiropractic care than they will with no Chiropractic care at all.
Nor am I suggesting that your average patient cannot settle a personal injury case without legal representation. But I can tell you that if you are represented, your final take will be higher.
Meh, it is all in the approach to Chiropractic medicine. Simply put, when the weekend warrior who is 47 yrs old and decided it would be fun to go water skiing for the first time since he was 17, is sitting in my lobby, singing the praises of the ice pack I just applied while he waits for the Doc (DC) is an illusion?
An ice pack probably makes the muscles feel better. Maybe it reduces swelling, I don't know. You don't need a degree to buy a bag of ice. Do you charge more than $2 for a five gallon bag of ice. That's what I get mine for right before I pour it over my Budweiser. Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
1) A subluxation of a vertebrae is not the same as example 1
2) After all these years of depositions and trials that you claim to have settled, tell me how many times a Chiropractor has spoken of "cracking" a patients back. If you can use the words subluxation then you can use the word manipulation or adjustment appropriately.
A subluxation is exactly as I described it. A back cracking is exactly what it is, as they pop the joints in the back and release some gas buildup. It does nothing of value and is no different than cracking your knuckles.Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Tell me then why health insurance companies cover Chiropractic Care under their Medical Insurance? Medicare (the nay or yay sayer of sad standards) covers Chiropractic care, why?
Supply and demand. The chiros have convinced the public of their value, so the public has asked to include it in the insurance benefits, and I guess some are naïve enough to agree to pay an increased premium to receive that benefit.Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
I have been asking you the same question for over a decade but you have yet to hear me.
WHY would you NOT believe that Chiropractic care is of the skeletal frame and a "rub" (even massage therapists would thwap you for using such terms) is performed by a licensed Massage therapists. Chiropractors can give adjustments AND rub the muscles but a Massage therapist while able to rub your muscles cannot give you a Chiropractic adjustment.
You've ignored what I said. There is no evidence of skeletal change after a chiropractic manipulation. Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
I am not suggesting that a person cannot heal on their own. What I am suggesting is that a person will heal quicker, with less residuals (the reason we do Ultrasound and Muscle stim) with Chiropractic care than they will with no Chiropractic care at all.
I'm suggesting that they're receiving a glorified massage under the guise of it being medical care so that they can charge increased fees and this great big machinery of car accident bodily injury lawsuits can keep churning.
And I'm not suggesting you've done anything wrong. You were earning an honest paycheck. I'm really not suggesting otherwise. I think the patients are often the biggest pawns, and I think most chiropractors believe in their mission.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 04, 2018 at 15:29#1853260 likes
Grrrrr while I appreciate the interaction, I am sad to say you are still wrong.
As a neutral, I looked this up on the internet and the information I've seen backs up Hanover's view. There's no evidence I can find for any therapeutic effects beyond massage and it can be dangerous. Can you quote any scientific studies to show that chiropractic does what it claims to do?
"There is evidence that chiropractic can help alleviate symptoms of low back pain. There is no evidence that it can help with any other medical problems and may in fact cause harm. The theory behind chiropractic, specifically subluxation theory, is scientifically unsound. It seems likely that much of the benefit of chiropractic comes from the "laying on of hands" and listening to the patient. There is no reason to believe this is any better than standard massage therapy, which may be considerably safer."
:chin: Just wondering if this discussion of chiropractics is perhaps ready to be born as its own thread, maybe in the Lounge. Seems interesting enough to be, in my opinion. Either way, carry on...
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 05, 2018 at 12:29#1856710 likes
"In 1992, researchers at the Stanford Stroke Center asked 486 California members of the American Academy of Neurology how many patients they had seen during the previous two years who had suffered a stroke within 24 hours of neck manipulation by a chiropractor. The survey was sponsored by the American Heart Association. One hundred seventy-seven neurologists reported treating 55 such patients, all of whom were between the ages of 21 and 60. One patient had died, and 48 were left with permanent neurologic deficits such as slurred speech, inability to arrange words properly, and vertigo. The usual cause of the strokes was thought to be tearing of the vertebral artery wall. "
Reply to Baden Explain these stats for me. 486 doctors were surveyed and 177 said they treated 55 patients who suffered injury at the hands of chiropractors. Did each of the 177 treat 55 injured patients or were there a total of 55 injured patients that for some reason were treated by 177 neurologists?
Assuming we can sort through all that, we don't get a clear n value. How many total chiropractic patients did the 486 members treat over their careers and what % does the 55 represent of that total?
177 responded to the survey. Among those 177, 55 strokes (and other complications) were reported to immediately follow chiropractic treatment over a two year period preceding the survey. I can't get access to the full paper. Yet. On mobile. Will try to get more details later.
Think of it this way, on average about one third of those who responded had, over a two year period, encountered a case of a stroke immediately following chiropractic treatment (presuming a reasonably even distribution).
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 05, 2018 at 14:15#1857080 likes
?A 2009 study that drew on 9 years of hospitalization records for the population of Ontario, Canada analyzed 818 cases of vertebrobasilar artery (VBA) stroke (involving the arteries that supply blood to the back of the brain). The study found an association between visits to a health care practitioner and subsequent VBA stroke, but there was no evidence that visiting a chiropractor put people at greater risk than visiting a primary care physician. The researchers attributed the association between health care visits and VBA stroke to the likelihood that people with VBA dissection (torn arteries) seek care for related headache and neck pain before their stroke.
"There is no robust data concerning the incidence or prevalence of adverse reactions after chiropractic. Further investigations are urgently needed to assess definite conclusions regarding this issue."
So, no definitive conclusion one way or the other. Not as painted in the misleading quote from the alt-med site.
(The incidence of stroke does look pretty low though when measured per manipulation.)
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 05, 2018 at 14:34#1857210 likes
It could be that it's quite a low risk. It may be lower than I thought*. But if there is no added benefit compared to muscle massage why would anyone not choose that? What I can't find is any justification for the bone manipulation working or having a scientific basis. Have you got something on that?
(*But again you give no links to papers only to a chiro promo site. Not even at the bottom of the page this time. I need to be able to see the actual papers not just the interpretation of an obviously biased party.)
Think of it this way, on average about one third of those who responded had, over a two year period, encountered a case of a stroke immediately following chiropractic treatment (presuming a reasonably even distribution).
What I really think is that chiropractic is reasonably safe, largely because human spines have evolved to be very resilient to manipulation. It's part of the reason why I said the manipulations don't do anything anyway. Before and after x-rays don't show any change. If they did, that would be evidence of damage, not healing.
Because of liability risks, though, close to 70% of the chiropractors have quit doing the traditional adjustment where they lean on your back and pop it with their hands. They now use the Bullshit 3000, which is a spring loaded activator device that thumps the back at a pretty low force and the chiropractors claim it does the trick just as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activator_technique
I'd agree it does do the trick just as well, which is just to say neither do shit.
anti social sociopathJune 05, 2018 at 19:01#1857950 likes
@Posty McPostface dp. Dis-play picg.
anti social sociopathJune 05, 2018 at 19:02#1857970 likes
Darn, would have been fun. Only subscribers can upload pics directly, but you can post links to others' images or upload your own images on a site like imgur.com and link.
Everybody else seems to like to change their picture, but I like my crow, so I decided to change my nom de philosophie instead. Here are some names I’m trying out:
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 06, 2018 at 11:59#1860230 likes
Reply to Caldwell You can use this site https://postimages.org/ to upload an image and choose your format to post. It is pretty easy but if you have any problems please feel free to let me know and I can help you. :starstruck:
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 06, 2018 at 12:32#1860280 likes
In April, we traveled up to our son's final exam at his University which was presented on the Planetarium dome, a REALLY big deal for us and our son. I got violently ill from some Greek Bow Tie Pasta Salad that I purchased at the same market I have for the last 14 yrs and consumed that morning. Delaying our arrival past the time of our son's presentation and made me ill for 24 hours.
Since then I have been in an argument with the "Claims adjuster" with Sedgwick Claims Management services who said it couldn't be the stores fault, it must be the 'Supplier" of the premade salad. My position is that when the food was delivered to the store: the grocery store then takes over the chain of custody over the product. If it stayed on the back receiving docks too long, if the food rotation in the deli was off, if the employee was sick, I really don't care but DO EXPECT that Albertson's has a DEGREE of liability, responsibility and loyalty to the customer that has been adversely affected by Albertson's food.
In a million years, I would never have guessed the name of the supplier that is DENYING the stores claim that it was delivered spoiled, the name of the supplier is "Hanover".
Personally? From the very beginning (before I even knew it was Hanover they were throwing under the food poising bus) I expressed to the store that they can search their supplier if they wanted but as far as I was concerned, Albertson's Grocery was ultimately responsible. Albertson's received the food, set the food out for sale, kept it in a refrigerated case, sold it to me, to the store I pay the money to and the taxes as well.
I read that really quickly but I get that Hanover tried to poison you for disagreeing with him over chiropractic. I'm pretty sure there's something in the guidelines against that, and if there's not I'll write it in. :up:
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 06, 2018 at 12:41#1860300 likes
I read that really quickly but I get that Hanover tried to poison you for disagreeing with him over chiropractic. I'm pretty sure there's something in the guidelines against that, and if there's not I'll write it in. :up:
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff I have reviewed your claim and on behalf of the hard working men and women of Albertson's, I do wish to apologize. As a valued customer, we consider you part of the Albertson family and we all read in horror how our usually delicious pasta salad resulted in your having an uncontrollable and violent bout of diarrhea. We most certainly hope that your night sweats, bloating, and absurdly frequent dashes to the restroom did not detract from your visit with your child.
Please accept as generous settlement the following coupon, redeemable nationwide, for your difficult and painful gastrointestinal upset. I wish you and your family the absolute best, and please accept this settlement letter as also a formal criminal trespass warning, advising you to remain off Albertson's property for a period not less than ten years.
A little digging has turned up some juicy tidbits... Seems that Disney’s majority shareholder is something called Hanover and Over, LLC. Based in Atlanta. Co-incidence? Maybe. :chin:
I love a conspiracy theory. If it’s one I made up myself... so much the better. The truth is out there.
Don’t ask me where.
Also, I'm curious as to what the defenders of Israeli's actions during the Jerusalem Embassy protests have to say about Razan Najjar?
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 07, 2018 at 12:05#1862580 likes
:brow: "The report by the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations revealed that under President Barack Obama, the Treasury Department issued a license in February 2016, never previously disclosed, that would have allowed Iran to convert $5.7 billion it held at a bank in Oman from Omani rials into euros by exchanging them first into U.S. dollars. If the Omani bank had allowed the exchange without such a license, it would have violated sanctions that bar Iran from transactions that touch the U.S. financial system."
:rage: HOW IS THIS NOT CONSIDERED MONEY LAUNDERING???? :scream:
:gasp: "The effort was unsuccessful because American banks — themselves afraid of running afoul of U.S. sanctions — declined to participate. The Obama administration approached two U.S. banks to facilitate the conversion, the report said, but both refused, citing the reputational risk of doing business with or for Iran."
They should have asked Wells Fargo to launder their money. As a proud account holder at Wells Fargo, I have been involved in 3 class action law suits and the winner of a predatory lenders interest rate because they filed me as a Latina applying for a mortgage and not a Caucasian. Yep, Wells would have done it.
If I may make ONE observation, as a Fox viewer, the morning show tallied how much time was devoted to this topic on NBC, CBS and ABC and the total amount of time was 0.00. Is Fox ahead of the game? The one network that shows what happened in the Obama Iran deal and what was really involved?
The above $5.7 billion dollars is not included in the $400 million dollars that the USA delivered in an unmarked plane in the middle of the night.
And this week we get news “Iran says it's increasing its nuclear enrichment capacity. It’s seen as a warning to the western nations still in the nuclear deal of what could happen if it fails or falls completely apart,” announced anchor Bret Baier at the start of the segment."
And again how much time was spent on this topic on Tuesday's Evening news on NBC, CBS, and NBC?
The combined time total was 0.00. Why is Fox the only one reporting these facts?
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 07, 2018 at 12:33#1862640 likes
have reviewed your claim and on behalf of the hard working men and women of Albertson's, I do wish to apologize. As a valued customer, we consider you part of the Albertson family and we all read in horror how our usually delicious pasta salad resulted in your having an uncontrollable and violent bout of diarrhea. We most certainly hope that your night sweats, bloating, and absurdly frequent dashes to the restroom did not detract from your visit with your child.
Please accept as generous settlement the following coupon, redeemable nationwide, for your difficult and painful gastrointestinal upset. I wish you and your family the absolute best, and please accept this settlement letter as also a formal criminal trespass warning, advising you to remain off Albertson's property for a period not less than ten years.
Hanover, as I have explained to your less than congenial claims adjuster, I became ill and was vomiting violently in a competitors store bathroom but the dashes to the bathroom did not start until I got home. I apologized profusely to the staff that had to clean up what happened and frankly I think YOU owe them an apology but that is on your moral consciousness.
As far as your offer of coupons, as a "Goodwill gesture" for customers who have contracted food poisoning from your products? Ain't going to cut it, we are Denny's loyal.
Now, what do you think is a fair compensation for missing this milestone event in my precious child's life because of your product?
I don't get it. If it's sanctioned by the U.S. Government, how is that a problem? Is it the fact that people didn't know about it? Why shouldn't Iran be able to use the money that is legally theirs?
And this week we get news “Iran says it's increasing its nuclear enrichment capacity. It’s seen as a warning to the western nations still in the nuclear deal of what could happen if it fails or falls completely apart,” announced anchor Bret Baier at the start of the segment."
Iran's action seems perfectly reasonable to me. We reneged on the deal. How can we complain that they're going forward in what they see as their own best interests?
Reply to Maw
Yep, been taking melatonin at least 4 times a week for over 15 years. When I first tried it i was suffering from delayed phase sleep insomnia and was at wits end. Later when I worked the night shift, it saved me again. It helped me sleep during the day. Technically, it is a synthetic brain hormone, which is an odd thing to buy OTC. I have only good things to say about it. But anyone interested should research it thoroughly before trying. You only feel as good as your last night’s sleep, and no one knows that more than an insomniac.
Reply to 0 thru 9 I've been taking it nearly every night for nearly two years. I've been able to wean myself off of it on occasion, but the respite doesn't last long. It's exceedingly difficult for me to fall asleep without it. I've found that many people my generation take it as well.
I'm thinking real hard on how to revive the old PF. Not because I don't like this forum or anything, but for the content over there along with how it was all structured.
Yeah I'm still having a hard time moving on from that abode.
@Agustino do you have any ideas on how to get Paul to revive that place since he's the only one who probably has backups of the forum on hand.
Since the site is still available, wouldnt it be possible to simply have a scraper take all the text from it and have the admins send a posters history upon request and validation of the old identity?
wouldnt it be possible to simply have a scraper take all the text from it and have the admins send a posters history upon request and validation of the old identity
There was an option to download all your posts as a .txt file, so there wouldn't be a need for this. Besides, when it was up discussions were inaccessible so scraping wouldn't be possible anyway.
do you have any ideas on how to get Paul to revive that place since he's the only one who probably has backups of the forum on hand.
You would probably need to contact Porat, the owner of that site, and discuss with him the best way he can utilize your energy, talents, and financial resources to make your dream into a reality, as opposed to the just idle chatter of questionable motivation it is now.
You'd have a better chance of refloating the Titanic, Posty. Besides, apart from fairly superficial differences in appearance and functionality, an online community is nothing more than its members and how they behave. And in those terms, there's no major difference in how things were there and how things are here in my view. Storms come and go. As long as we don't hit an iceberg, all's well.
Pretty devastated to hear about Bourdain. Last thing I watched last night before going to sleep was the New Jersey episode of Parts Unknown.
"He's irreverent, honest, curious, never condescending, never obsequious," the judges said. "People open up to him and, in doing so, often reveal more about their hometowns or homelands than a traditional reporter could hope to document."
My heart is breaking for Anthony, his family and his crew. I wish there was something more we could have done... :broken:
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 08, 2018 at 14:28#1864570 likes
As soon as I heard the news I instantly thought about my 21yr old son who idolized Anthony and said he would LOVE to live the life that Anthony did, traveling, meeting new cultures, honest and genuine and now suicide?
What happens to a person when your idol commits suicide? What words can I put in my sons head that will keep my voice coming into his head if he ever considered suicide?
I remember losing Robin Williams after idolizing him for many, many years and having the commonality of Alzheimer's and early onset Alzheimer's running rampant in my immediate family, it really gave me things to think about.
What I would do if I received the news that Robin received? Would I want to leave on my own terms, at the time of my choosing instead of living out the life that would be equally hard on my loved ones, as the slow progression of Alz taking my mind anyway?
All these questions are running through my mind and I feel myself fairly taught about suicide prevention. When I was a teenager, I went to volunteer for Teen Lifeline and at that time our job was to answer calls from teens, talk and try to figure out what the level of their concern was and if it was elevated to the point of thinking about suicide, we were joined by a senior volunteer to take it to the level we needed to. From a simple thought about suicide to the plan of how they are going to do it, determined if it was just a thought or if we needed to have a welfare check made by authorities.
I say this because I have the words, I know what to say but there is no way to stop someone that is set on taking their life. Despite our best efforts people might never talk about their thoughts and it is that silence that scares me.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 08, 2018 at 14:40#1864600 likes
@Mongrel your voice is noticeably missing. :heart:
If you or someone you know may be considering suicide, please remember,
help is right here: Nat’l Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 800-273-8255
Apologies for making the daft previous shoutout. I've just been wondering about Wittgenstein's own problems/struggles with the concept of suicide, and trying to reason himself out of it.
A reminder to be concerned when someone tells you that everything's fine and that they're very happy.
Well, the chain of events culminating in making such a choice are often hidden from plain sight in many cases. It's only after the fact that we can pause and analyze what culminated in that decision, unfortunately.
Just want to say, with the qualification that I'm high right now. That you guys are awesome, and I apologise for acting like a jerk a lot of the time, and using humour inappropriately and maybe maliciously too. You know how sometimes you lose who you are, and become something else? Anyway, basically, you guys are cool, and much love.
Just want to say, with the qualification that I'm high right now. That you guys are awesome, and I apologise for acting like a jerk a lot of the time, and using humour inappropriately and maybe maliciously too. You know how sometimes you lose who you are, and become something else? Anyway, basically, you guys are cool, and much love.
Just want to say, with the qualification that I'm high right now. That you guys are awesome, and I apologise for acting like a jerk a lot of the time, and using humour inappropriately and maybe maliciously too. You know how sometimes you lose who you are, and become something else? Anyway, basically, you guys are cool, and much love.
Is that even legal? If not, I'm gonna set up Uber derived idea of delivering groceries and alcohol to people. Just gotta make an app for a smartphone, and find some minions. Who's in?
Just want to say, with the qualification that I'm high right now. That you guys are awesome, and I apologise for acting like a jerk a lot of the time, and using humour inappropriately and maybe maliciously too. You know how sometimes you lose who you are, and become something else?
I've been searching all over the Catholic Internet for the answer to whether "admission of guilt under the influence" counts as a sincere confession, and if it does, what adjustments should be made to the acts of contrition which the priest must assign.
On the other hand, you spoke truth in saying that we guys are cool and are much loved the world over for our sagacity. Your were, of course, totally sober when you thought that. I should think 3 Hail Marys and sharing your stash with the priest would probably result in remission of your sins.
Of course it's legal -- how do you think terminal alcoholics get their cases of booze? Look for 1 hour delivery in your zip code. When you need a drink, you can't be waiting 24 to 48 hours for FedEx.
Hey, Piglet. I'm still whoever I said I was awhile ago (edit: I'm the proboscus-billed meadowlark of course, SMH). I have a few demons to exorcise, so I won't be around much, but I randomly logged in and saw your salvo. Salvo returned, Piglet.
Just want to say, with the qualification that I'm high right now. That you guys are awesome, and I apologise for acting like a jerk a lot of the time, and using humour inappropriately and maybe maliciously too. You know how sometimes you lose who you are, and become something else? Anyway, basically, you guys are cool, and much love.
God that idiot enrages me.
Wisconscin alone produces more dairy than Canada as a whole, and he bitches because we prefer not to have a bare-necessity good's price dictated by the U.S. market's tendency to overproduce...
"Cyberpunk is not becoming marketable because it offers a solution for society. The message is clear that, in face of inexorable rot, the individual loses his sanity or loses his soul. What the genre does offer is a third choice: to view breakneck dehumanization as a roller coaster ride. There is grim exhilaration in accepting that the awesome decline cannot be stopped. A future that was once dark and hopeless is now dark and beautiful when one dives headlong into it. Ugliness becomes thrilling and alienation becomes adventure. The homogeneous, numbing light of Brave New World’s dystopia is replaced by the dreamy atmosphere of neon-lit alleyways. Sisyphus can’t change his fate, but he can refuse to nod and clap, blank-eyed, at the world’s loss of meaning."
I really like Jacobitemag. Their brand of vicious yet accurate criticism really hits a chord :
"A good rule of thumb for hard-right, Nazi or Nazi-adjacent groups is that one-third of their members are petty criminals, one-third are gay, and one-third are informants."
Reply to Akanthinos Jacobite sometimes makes me uncomfortable, but its refreshing to see authentically good writing that doesnt toe the line. its easy to write off other viewpoints when the thought and prose is low quality. Jacobite is consistently quality.
So, Donny got angry at Justin coz Justin said Donny couldn't push him around, so Donny ripped up the paper that said he and Justin were friends and now everyone is going to go knock their heads against a wall until they all fall down. :up: :fire:
Read that as Teat Leak, since I suffer from Freudian Dyslexia. One can imagine (but maybe shouldn’t) what popped into mind when reading this recent headline: Lebron Played Series With Self-Injured Hand.
I don't think we could expect anything better coming out from this weekend. A bit of absurd theatre, status quo on the trade war, and almost no violence to speak of.
I was actually afraid for a moment that Justin would cave-in on dairy or the missile shield. I'm happy he didn't. I just might vote Liberal at the federal election for the first time, if the NPD doesn't get its crap together by then.
"There's a special place in hell for any foreign leader that engages in bad faith diplomacy with President Donald J. Trump and then tries to stab him in the back on the way out the door," Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro said in an interview nationally broadcast Sunday in the United States.
All this backstabbing rhetoric is such a transparent appeal to Trump's nationalistic base, and is so based on thin air, I'm ready to presume the Donald dictated these talking points directly to his simian minions before sending them flying out to the networks.
All this backstabbing rhetoric is such a transparent appeal to Trump's nationalistic base, and is so based on thin air, I'm ready to presume the Donald dictated these talking points directly to his simian minions before sending them flying out to the networks.
Ah, yes. The Simpsons. Who needs the Bible, Shakespeare, Aristotle, or the Buddha when we can reference Charles Montgomery Burns.
Reply to Baden
Trump seems to me like a combo of C.M. Burns and Mayor Diamond Joe Quimby, to cast him in Simpsons’ terms. Also, he and his family have a “Game Of Thrones” vibe about them that may possibly have worked to his benefit in the election. Most people I’ve talked to say the USA “needs a strong leader”. Guess Obama was too sensitive and touchy-feely. But most of these kind of things are superficial image stuff, with negligible effect on policy. :chin:
If Trump were a Shakespearean character, which one would he be?
It might be tempting to pick someone from a comedy, but I don't think that's right. He definitely has the hubris needed for a tragedy down pat. Given his propensity for getting rid of those who support him, how about Macbeth. Or maybe Richard III. Yeah, Richard.
Richard III: "Conscience is but a word that cowards use,
Devis'd at first to keep the strong in awe:
Our strong arms be our conscience, swords our law."
Obama killed softly and always with words of reason ready to be orated at your funeral, which he would gracefully attend. Trump, on the other hand, bops you on the head then farts loudly in your face while dribbling bits of semi-chewed cheeseburger over your prone and maimed body. I'm honestly not sure which is worse.
Yeah, I know those planes. The aviation school at Rotterdam - the Hague airport has loads. If you're ever in the Netherlands and my dad has time, I'm sure he'd give you a sightseeing tour and you can fly yourself. Except for landings, as the wheel base is reversed so you need to qualify separately for that license.
Yeah, I know those planes. The aviation school at Rotterdam - the Hague airport has loads. If you're ever in the Netherlands and my dad has time, I'm sure he'd give you a sightseeing tour and you can fly yourself. Except for landings, as the wheel base is reversed so you need to qualify separately for that license.
And you'll need those wooden pilot's safety shoes.
Yeah, I know those planes. The aviation school at Rotterdam - the Hague airport has loads. If you're ever in the Netherlands and my dad has time, I'm sure he'd give you a sightseeing tour and you can fly yourself. Except for landings, as the wheel base is reversed so you need to qualify separately for that license.
Ah, cool! Not sure I'll ever make it out there though lol.
I hope the fact that you have an actual airplane is some consolation with regard to your paucity of philosophical fan base. If you would like to arrange a swap, I would be happy to transfer my followers to you in exchange for said flying vehicle. I'll throw in Hanover who's not a follower of mine but is uselessly lying around here somewhere...
Something which seems not to be within admin power is to see who's following who. This network of interconnections beyond the perimeter of Big Brother's vision is all vaguely subversive to be frank. Enjoy it while you can.
Huh! The way women are supposed to enjoy wolf-whistles and cat-calls? And the administration throws up its hands helplessly while facilitating these peoples' ogling of this very response, and any other I might make. Must I philosophise entirely by pm?
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 12, 2018 at 12:41#1872450 likes
Reply to Baden I find it rather callous to suggest that @Hanover is "uselessly laying around somewhere" when you know good and well where you left him.
*damn how do you do the "reveal" thing again?
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 12, 2018 at 13:13#1872480 likes
Could someone send some unwanted rain my way please? I have been doing my Raindance on top of the mountain, at midnight just like the Indians did and nothing. Not a drop, a drip or even a spit. When you hang your load of laundry on the line, by the time you finish hanging the load, the first stuff you hung is already dry.
Did I mention how dry it is ?
How dry is it Tiff?
Dryer than the moisture of a sheet of lined paper.
We are really close to smelling fire on the heat of the air. The desert is the most bizarre place because creatures come alive when it Monsoons. Not just the regular creatures like my dogs or myself but there are these little frogs that spring out of the dry earth and they sound like goat's saying Maaaa.
They sound so real that in the 2015 Monsoon a major landscaping nursery got washed away up stream from our ranch that has a seasonal creek running through it.
But I told NicK it sounded like goats in the creek and they were drowning. He came out, listened and said he could hear them but couldn't see them.
So I called the local firehouse that was responding to fast water rescues, knowing that they would rather take care of it, than Joe Public trying to save them and becoming another person they would have to rescue. I am on with the dispatcher when a guy on a Quad rolled up to me and heard the same thing and came out to see if he could help save these drowning goats.
I am trying to tell her my location and NicK comes back and says "Cancel the call." ??
He said we aren't hearing drowning goats and I said but this guy hears them too, while the lady on the phone is like "Hello?" I am like explain.
He said he walked out into the creek which is flowing a good half football field across at it's widest and found the sound maker and it is frogs.
Little flipping frogs that come alive with water.
Needless to say I cancelled the call.
Moral of this story? Despite what you ears may hear, not "everything is goat".
If you are critical of someone for failing miserably and you also happen to dislike that person then they magically didn't fail at all and were a great success. Handy that.
Could someone send some unwanted rain my way please? I have been doing my Raindance on top of the mountain, at midnight just like the Indians did and nothing.
Two of my children manage farms, so whatever weather magic I can round up, I give to them. Sorry.
I was actually. But I had been in contact with him through an old email address of mine that I can't access now. So, I let it slide forgetting that as an admin I've still got access to an email address for him, the one he used to sign up with. I'll try dropping him a quick line through that now.
Reply to Buxtebuddha Because you victim-blamed gun violence by placing the fault on school shootings on bulling, despite the fact that reports show that boys aged 11-15 in developed countries such as Canada, Switzerland, France, and Ireland have reported being bullied more often than boys in America, despite the disparity in school shootings. Your response was that "reports don't always reflect reality". I didn't respect you enough to continue responding then, and I don't respect you anymore now.
Reply to Maw I addressed the rest of your criticisms, though. But, I've noticed you don't carry on arguments very long, so I suppose it's normal for you to bow out early, *shrug*
Reply to Posty McPostface Prior to studying philosophy, which started when I was around 19, I was admittedly more politically conservative, mostly stemming from absorbing the ideals of my quasi-upper class family. Since then, I've become much more progressive, being interested in Left Libertarianism, some Marxism, racial awareness, and other far left ideas. I had been an Atheist since I was 14, which has only strengthened since. Ultimately, philosophy has made me a more curious person, and I've accepted more nihilistic or pessimistic propositions.
Prior to studying philosophy, which started when I was around 19, I was admittedly more politically conservative, mostly stemming from absorbing the ideals of my quasi-upper class family.
Since then, I've become much more progressive, being interested in Left Libertarianism, some Marxism, racial awareness, and other far left ideas.
Sounds interesting. I guess your motivations for studying philosophy have been politically motivated. I'm not part of that camp of philosophy, since I have always assumed philosophy as a form of 'deprogramming' yourself from deep prejudices, assumptions, and beliefs.
Strange, I have differing opinions about the goal of philosophy
The goal of Philosophy, to my mind, boiling things down so that all that remains is "the truth". As I see it, the truth is relentlessly anti-human (i.e. absurdism, hostile, cruel, anti-anthropocentric).
Interesting dissection of the argumentative strategy of alt-right "intellectual" and purveyor of pseudo-scientific racism, Stefan Molyneaux. Interesting because it's so easily generalizable across this burgeoning class of online fakes.
"About 5,000 to 7,000 years ago the number of men having children fell dramatically—possibly by as much as 95 percent—throughout Asia, Africa and Europe, genetic research shows. Now, scientists think they might know why. .. A new study argues that conflict between warring patrilineal clans may have wiped out large swathes of the male population, including entire male lineages. Over time, these devastating clan wars likely caused a collapse of diversity in the Y chromosome, or a genetic bottleneck".
Reply to Baden What's most interesting about Molyneux (in fact, the only interesting thing) is that he is in many ways the progenitor of the alt-right pseudo-intellectualism that's gripped the internet. His FDR podcast has been around since 2005, and I remember him being popular on YouTube as far back as 2009.
It's such an embarrassment to see the platform and respect he's given even in the mainstream media considering how irredeemably unintelligent he is (as demonstrated in the vid; at one point, he literally compares someone identifying a logical fallacy in one of his arguments to someone making up their own words. While at the same time he refers to himself as...a philosopher :brow: ) Probably the most egregious example I've seen of an interview with him (from a very small sample, mind you) is when on a popular talk show (can't remember which one. I'll maybe look it up) he went all Oscar contender on how upset he was at the terrible news that black people were stupider than whites (to paraphrase). So horrible for everyone! And the interviewer was just eating it up. Almost zero pushback. Sad.
(Is there a name for that thing where you make statements that presume the truth of the point you really want to argue for and dress them up as uncontroversial evaluations that suggest you're on the side of the very group that in the obscured argument you are actually attacking?)
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 13, 2018 at 23:37#1876500 likes
Yayyyyyy! It finally rained! :party:
Okay it was spitting :sad:
Never mind, it was a bird. :down:
A bird like @Tclark :chin:
Why can't the @Tclark ever find the feathered weather wrangler? :brow:
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 13, 2018 at 23:41#1876520 likes
Reply to Maw Hey Maw?
Around these parts, if you don't hear a good, genuine 'fuck you', long enough for you to notice? Something is definitely up :angry:
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 13, 2018 at 23:42#1876530 likes
It's like a long time friend razz that keeps you in check or gets into trouble with you.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 13, 2018 at 23:49#1876570 likes
There really is only two parts of history that we can resurrect: A) the part of history that you have and are open to build on (many times friends of the opposite gender that you knew from when you were just "you" and not a married "we")
Or B) that part of history that you know would be better left untouched but occasionally comes knocking and you know not to answer.
[quote=Cristina Silva]The panel concluded that Kim's political prison camps were guilty of 10 of the 11 internationally recognized war crimes, including murder, enslavement and sexual violence. The only crime the North Korean government hadn't committed, in fact, was apartheid.[/quote]
[sup]Source: Kim Jong Un’s Brutal Regime in North Korea Is Worse Than Nazi Concentration Camps, Human Rights Leader Says (Cristina Silva, Newsweek, Dec 2017)[/sup]
[quote=Donald Trump]Really, he’s got a great personality. He’s a funny guy, he’s very smart, he’s a great negotiator. He loves his people, not that I’m surprised by that, but he loves his people.[/quote]
[sup]Source: Trump to VOA: 'We're Going to Denuke North Korea' (Greta Van Susteren, VOA, Jun 2018)[/sup]
And one of the aspects of him that makes him approachable. Trump is MY Dad in every way shape and well Trump doesn't have Parkinsons like my Dad, but all that changes is the speed in which they can roll bs off the tongue, leaving you feeling better for having interacted in him.
A tool I have adapted for my own tool box to approach life with.
Oi! Thanks. I thought that would take a little longer, than expected
"Oi." Does that mean your an Australian? We've had some trouble with rambunctious Aussies in the past. We actually had to develop a new Logical Fallacy to cover them. It's called the TimeLine Fallacy. It applies when you end every post with "Well, that's how we do things in Australia." It's named after one our most rambunctious members who's no longer with us.
Welcome to the forum. Ignore everything I said above. Pick a discussion and start posting. No lurking necessary.
I'm no longer 'here'June 14, 2018 at 13:43#1878600 likes
I'm going to change my name to I'm no longer 'here'. You are a lovely person but I am not going to be here for a while, sickness has struck me once again. Thank you. Good bye.
I'm no longer 'here'June 14, 2018 at 13:46#1878610 likes
Nope. Can't change the name on here.
I'm no longer 'here'June 14, 2018 at 13:47#1878620 likes
I hope this doesn't start a trend with people wanting to change their names to things like "I'm over there", "I'm next door", "I'm here in body but not in spirit", "I'm right here, dammit!" etc.
I'm no longer 'here'June 14, 2018 at 16:50#1878890 likes
Lol.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 14, 2018 at 16:51#1878900 likes
Oh, really? I'll PM you my details in case he has an emergency with a ladyboy, or something... Although @Michael probably has more experience on that front than me.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 14, 2018 at 17:00#1879010 likes
Reply to Baden Thank you! I will take any contacts I can get. :heart:
I treasure any loving, forum member in countries other than the USA, especially when they know how to tell my loved one's a way to get out of a sticky situation.
Nas and Kanye West's new album is dropping tonight and they are premiering the album through a listening party in NYC close to my apartment, but I couldn't get in :groan:
So I need some suggestions for my life. My friend who’s moved to Virginia says I should move to America but I’m thinking of going back to Cambodia as i loved it there. What to do ?
Nope, but I would go in a second, and there's barely a place in the US that could tempt me with a visit.
I've visited Europe a couple of times and I loved it. The Netherlands, France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany. I love trying to make myself understood in my 50 year old crappy high school French and 45 year old crappy college German. Both times I've gone with my brother, who worked in France for 3 years and is fluent and very familiar with Europe.
Love the Netherlands. Neat people. So much everyday, nonchalant engineering everywhere. A beautiful man-made country. Love France. Such wonderful food. Such wonderful towns and cities. Love Germany. Every meal comes with potatoes. German is such a neat language.
On the other hand, I also love the US. Visiting the South with such different culture. Terrible food if you don't love barbecue. The landscape of the US is amazing. So much variety. The geology. A little bit of everything. If you don't want to visit the US, that's fine, but that says something about you, not the country. Not necessarily something bad, but something.
If you haven't lived in America already, then don't let false idols of it prevent you from coming here. At worst you can stay awhile and then decide Cambodia was the best choice.
I mean, if landscapes were my thing, yes, at some point I'd visit more extensively the USA, but before, I'd have gone to Thailand, the Philippines, China, Iceland, Ireland, France, just about every country in Africa... And I would have much more extensively traveled Canada, which I'm sure is just as rich in landscapes as the USA. You might want to put tariffs on those. :razz:
So I need some suggestions for my life. My friend who’s moved to Virginia says I should move to America but I’m thinking of going back to Cambodia as i loved it there. What to do ?
Come to Virginia. America is the best place on the planet despite liberal griping. Everyone who comes never leaves. You can get a good job, a real house, real car, and everything is affordable. There are different parts of Virginia. I'd stay away from the DC area.
Not sure how immigration works and not sure how your gf works into all this.
Cambodia is exotic, probably educational, cheap, and all sorts of things that make it advantageous to live in a third world impoverished nation. There are also some negatives associated with living in that sort of situation long term, namely that it's poor as shit. Good food over there I hear.
That won't be a problem for you. Get a job with a company of even moderate size and they'll provide healthcare as a benefit. You're also still a citizen of the UK, so you can fly back and wait in line for your treatment over there if that's what you want to do. Quoting Michael
Yeah, that’s over.
Here's what awaits you in Virginia. This is how they all look. All.
I've been to Cambodia, Phnom Penh and Siem Reap. Much prefer Thailand though to be honest. America is good too if you can stand all the crazy people screaming from sides of hills about how great their country is and trying to stick their flags up you arse. Except the liberals who hate everything and everyone including themselves. And who are therefore much saner. Not that I spent time with either as I spent most of my vacation in the Hollywood sewer system where the headquarters of the American communist party is located. Chomsky paid us a visit once.
Chomsky.
Chomsky.
Yes, so Thailand if you're broke. America if you're rich. Cambodia if you're desperate.
I get it. You want @Michael to come and pick peaches for you all day in the sweltering heat and then pay him in banjos and grits. He has (slightly) more self-respect than that I think.
Siem Reap I did like. Much more than Phnom Penh. There are lots of places like that in Thailand. And much more variety. Hua Hin for beaches, and Kanchanaburi for national parks, forests and rivers come to mind. I recommend you try it anyway at some point. I guarantee you, you won't regret it.
We also have dental care over here. I forgot to mention that.
It’s cool, I have this really clever portable dental care system. I call it toothpaste, toothbrush, and floss.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 15, 2018 at 13:26#1881280 likes
@Michael
What? What is this? The person who is known the world over as "Awesome!" is considering blessing the USA with his presence? :starstruck:
Really?? :love:
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 15, 2018 at 13:28#1881290 likes
@Michael
What can we do to move the needle towards moving to America?
btw @Hanover
Take those drapes off of that lady and maybe she will be attractive to Yaha!
Speaking of which, has anyone read The Trial by Kafka? I finished it yesterday, and while I know Kafka never completed it I didn't really enjoy it that much.
Speaking of which, has anyone read The Trial by Kafka? I finished it yesterday, and while I know Kafka never completed it I didn't really enjoy it that much.
It's one of my favourite books. I'm getting the "Like a dog!... " sentence tattoed on the arm in a few weeks!
I read it right after The Myth of Sisyphus, which I think is definitely the way to go.
I thought he finished 'The Trial', and it was 'The Castle" that was unfinished or maybe both were. The Trial definitely had a proper ending anyway. I read it and did enjoy it although' enjoy' might not be the most appropriate word. It did something more subtle for me that's hard to explain.
I thought he finished 'The Trial', and it was 'The Castle" that was unfinished or maybe both were.
I've seen some movies like that, like, did they mean to end the movie there, or did they just run out of film and call it a wrap, and you just don't really know.
I think I read "TheTrial." I'm pretty sure I did, but I don't know, so we both don't know something about that book.
I'm going to write a book about a guy who keeps reading the same book over and over looking for the meaning of life, not realizing he read it already until he gets to like page 100.
So, suddenly your Donald Trump tattoo makes sense. Nice.
I actually have the US Constitution tattooed on my junk, that but for lesbian cinema, it could not be fully read.
That's a classical Hanoverism, reminiscent of his earlier works, prior to his evolved sophistication, but still during that odd period when he spoke in the third person.
I actually have the US Constitution tattooed on my junk,
Cool. I have it printed on my toilet paper.
That's a classic Badenism, reminiscent of his later works, post his evolved sophistication, but still during that not-so-odd period of his anti-American Marxist activism.
Put it this way, I'm not quite ready to sit up for him like the North Koreans do for Kim and which he expects you Americans to do. Like you're his puppies or what?
Reply to Baden Fred is barely noticable now with his haircut, but I figured it'd be best if he survived summer. Of course, dogs are disposable at chez Baden.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 16, 2018 at 14:18#1884160 likes
I'm going to write a book about a guy who keeps reading the same book over and over looking for the meaning of life, not realizing he read it already until he gets to like page 100.
On a similar note, I've given my daughter "Heart of Darkness" four times as a gift. She never tells me because she says it's "endearing."
Reply to Baden The Trial had an ending, but Kafka didn't complete the book. There is a 6 month time jump that is rather disorienting. Personally I didn't find K. very sympathetic, and his dialogue was strange.
Yes, I remember now some was missing. K is not very sympathetic, I agree, but the book for me works on a different level. Like, I find some books very entertaining but then I feel drained after reading them. Where this was more the opposite. It wasn't very entertaining as I read it but somehow I felt sustained afterwards.
Thats part of the magic of the book, in my opinion.
We dont know the crime Mr K has committed. We certainly cant rightfully think that the punishment, or hell, that the judgement could be legitimate. But I cant shake the feeling that he is still irremediably "guilty", even if we dont know the crime, and everything about how K act shouts this guilt.
I like it when I'm the topic of conversation even when absent. It makes me feel important, but not in an aroused way, just in a tingly way.
I'm feeling energetic. I'm going to write a short story and post it. I suspect it will make little sense and Baden won't fare well. I was thinking I'd Google translate it into Russian and then back to English to give it that what-the-fuck non-native feel. Any pre-publication suggestions or thoughts?
It's summertime in Montreal, nice as hell, everyone is beautiful and in heat, and I'm stuck behind a screen and hooked to a phone, getting screamed at by cops and dishwasher repairmen.
Just another manic Monday.... wish it was a fun day...an I don't have to run day..
I like this one better:
The silicon chip inside her head
Gets switched to overload
And nobody's gonna go to school today
She's going to make them stay at home
And daddy doesn't understand it
He always said she was as good as gold
And he can see no reason
'Cause there are no reasons
What reason do you need to be sure
Oh, oh, oh tell me why
I don't like Mondays
Tell me why
I don't like Mondays
Tell me why
I don't like Mondays
I want to shoot
The whole day down
Very philosophical song - No material reason, no efficient reason, no formal reason, no final reason.
I strongly disagree. I'm not faulting the moderators and I don't know what lead to this, but BuxteBuddha had some of my favorite posts. I've never read anything that supported pro-life positions in such an intelligent and humane way. Conservative political supporters who can write intelligently and thoughtfully are rare on the forum.
Telling other posters to suck your dick and then making anti-semitic jokes and doubling down on them all the while while being on a warning for trolling will get anyone banned regardless of political persuasion. I must have missed the thoughtful posts he wrote as I was too busy deleting the disgusting insults and provocations.
Conservative political supporters who can write intelligently and thoughtfully are rare on the forum
Yes, when @Buxtebuddha blamed victims of gun violence by placing the fault on school shootings on bulling, I was like, whoa, what an intelligent and thoughtful conservative. And then when I brought up the fact that reports show that boys aged 11-15 in developed countries such as Canada, Switzerland, France, and Ireland have reported being bullied more often than boys in America, despite the disparity in school shootings, and @Buxtebuddha responded with "reports don't always reflect reality", I was like, shit, this guy is a fucking giant of conservative intelligence and thoughtful response.
Telling other posters to suck your dick and then making anti-semitic jokes and doubling down on them all the while while being on a warning for trolling will get anyone banned regardless of political persuasion. I must have missed the thoughtful posts he wrote as I was too busy deleting the disgusting insults and provocations.
Now, Baden, you could see I was careful in my comment not to cast doubt on the moderator's decision. As I said, I didn't know why he had been banned. I stand by my statement.
You don't actually have to do something terrible to get banned. He didn't murder anyone and no-one is claiming he's a despicable human being or anything but like a lot of posters who get banned he didn't want to be reasonable and adjust his behavior to the standards that are in place for the benefit of everyone. I wish him the best but this is not the place for him.
Yes, when Buxtebuddha blamed victims of gun violence by placing the fault on school shootings on bulling, I was like, whoa, what an intelligent and thoughtful conservative. And then when I brought up the fact that reports show that boys aged 11-15 in developed countries such as Canada, Switzerland, France, and Ireland have reported being bullied more often than boys in America, despite the disparity in school shootings, and @Buxtebuddha responded with "reports don't always reflect reality", I was like, shit, this guy is a fucking giant of conservative intelligence and thoughtful response.
So, he deserved to be banned because he disagreed with you?
I'm saying he doesn't deserve to be called "intelligent" or "thoughtful", because he was neither.
I've been called a "racist," a "bigot," and a "sexist," so I don't give much creedence to your characterization. Those kinds of accusations get thrown around a lot.
Guys, any questions related to bannings, deletions, moderator action, suggestions how we might better run this site ought be placed in the Feedback section as a separate thread. I know the Shoutbox is our favorite free for all thread, but we do like to keep those sorts of things separated out.
Reply to T Clark As the mods just stated, the conversation on him is over. I won't comment on it further, but if I had to I guess I'd argue that doubling down on anti-Semetic jokes makes one an anti-Semite.
As the mods just stated, the conversation on him is over. I won't comment on it further, but if I had to I guess I'd argue that doubling down on anti-Semetic jokes makes one an anti-Semite.
The conversation on BuxteBuddha is over, you won't comment further, you're not commenting, you've stopped commenting, you're not commenting now.
It's hard for me to say since it seems to vary widely from client to client and from industry to industry. In most cases, I would say no.
Thank you! :smile:
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 20, 2018 at 19:46#1896000 likes
Wow! We are filling out applications for my son to study overseas in the Spring, 2019 and New Zealand has a merit based immigration policy. If he wants to return to work in NZ, he cannot do so without a Bachelors degree.
Hmm... I wonder how they deal with illegal immigration issues. :brow:
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff My guess is that the US has similar rules that you can either follow or just walk on over. Most choose the latter. It's easier and there are fewer forms and if you think your rights have been infringed upon as you were walking over, then there will be enough outcry to just let you be.
Hmm... I wonder how they deal with illegal immigration issues
By arranging to have a lot of ocean between them and everybody else. You'll note that very few refugee boats are making it from Africa to Florida. Same thing in NZ.
Wow! We are filling out applications for my son to study overseas in the Spring, 2019 and New Zealand has a merit based immigration policy. If he wants to return to work in NZ, he cannot do so without a Bachelors degree.
Hmm... I wonder how they deal with illegal immigration issues.
I know New Zealand has had real problems with immigration. They let a few Hobbits, Elves, and Orcs in and the next thing you know, they started taking over the place.
Hmm... I wonder how they deal with illegal immigration issues.
This is inscribed on the Statue of the Great Kiwi in Wellington harbor:
Keep your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Don't send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my foot beside the golden door and kick them back from whence they came.
At the bar next door to my office, they have half price Mondays, where the usual dozen raw oysters are only $6 when they're usually $12. Who's going to join me? The freshest oysters in the world are in the Atlanta suburbs. You can almost smell the ocean here. At least I think that's the ocean.
I really don't care about those jokes anymore. Please don't conform to my silly standards I made such a fuss about. I do owe an apology to the moderation team here for that episode including my recent outbursts to Baden and Hanover.
*takes his meds and just watches from a safe distance*
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This is the only contact info I could find on the website. Apparently Mrs Patria is the new website's legal advisor, webmaster and admin all wrapped in one.
Legal weed in Canada has got me smiling. Shit, we have it legal in California and I haven't seen any conservatives moving to Florida, Nevada, or Texas due to it. Amen.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 21, 2018 at 11:32#1898260 likes
107* yesterday and our AC unit is keeping up but the living things are going into hibernation, like husbands kind of living things. :roll:
I mean it is like snow in Minnesota in the Winter. Life goes on, people need to work, eat, sleep and all that "stuff" takes doing. It's not like Minnesota comes to a screeching halt because of some white stuff falling from the sky. :razz:
There was a solar program offered by SoCalEdison for a free 1kW array. I tried telling my mom to jump on it; but, I think the program ran out of funds. Living in California has its benefits, haha.
ArguingWAristotleTiffJune 21, 2018 at 11:46#1898300 likes
There was a solar program offered by SoCalEdison for a free 1kW array. I tried telling my mom to jump on it; but, I think the program ran out of funds. Living in California has its benefits, haha.
My brother in law worked for Solar City in California and when that dried up he came back to AZ and sold them here. There was a 14k dollar incentive to add them to a home but we weren't ready to cover the balance. My Father In Law did take the deal and his high electrical bill is $7.00. I imagine his 12k personal investment has likely paid off by now as his electrical bill used to be like ours somewhere between $350 - $500 a month in the summer.
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That's good because it means you're guaranteed to win. Goliath never had a hope. David had better technology. It was a totally unfair fight.
https://www.inc.com/issie-lapowsky/malcolm-gladwell-david-and-goliath.html
I'm throwing in the towel Baden. Truce?
Of course, I was never fighting with you, Posty, come on, man. :up:
(OK, maybe a little in the other discussion, but not here.)
Let the battle of egos commence! :strong:
I don't know who Posty meant, but I'll gladly cede the laurel to you if he meant me. My idiotic jokes should be considered a form of self-flagellation rather than anything else.
Shit. I thought you were going to be a gentleman and refuse. :confused:
Yeah, you won't see any animals any time soon though. So, carry on as you see fit.
There's a strange dynamic to our interactions, isn't there? Anyway, to clarify, when I say "idiotic" I mean it in the context of the taxonomy of idiot, moron and imbecile I once talked about (somewhere). Playing the fool or being an idiot consciously can have a positive function, so it's not always meant in a derogatory way. Being a moron is though.
No, it wasn't. :(
Is this a form of protest that just tries to control a situation?
For you to say that it isn't special at all is a performative contradiction, given the length of time that you've spent here, the number of comments that you've made, and the substance of what you have submitted. If you don't think that this place is special in any way, then why have you been spending all that time coming here and getting involved, rather than doing other things? If you no longer thought that this place was special, then I would expect to see that reflected in your behaviour, and if I did not see any reflection in your behaviour, then I would doubt what you say.
The forum means a lot to me and I love it. I haven't had a place like this where I could think big thoughts with other people since college in the 1970s. I've learned a lot about myself. I'm much more aware of what I think and believe and why. I've learned to write better. Think better.
I feel like I've been treated with respect and I've tried, and sometimes failed, to show respect for others. It's a wonderful place.
:pray: :up:
It is not the forum that is special. I am. The forum is just a medium that enabled me to use it advantageously, but to imagine some special place it holds is entirely subjective, a fantasy-narrative that imagines meaning more than this subjectivity.
I am aware of this. I came on here a little while after I had a major car accident, lost my job and was severely bullied. My identity was shattered and I was physically terrible because my mental health was in disarray. I sought empowerment, to recognise who I was. In real life I travelled, I worked in a new field that brought me fulfillment with the same intention I had coming on here. To clarify my values.
Why do you think I asked to be a moderator and then chose to withdraw? It is all about me. To think otherwise is self-deciet. Posty is the special one, he just needs to realise that and stop playing the feel sorry for me card. He needs to recognise his own power.
Then presumably you'd have no qualms upping sticks posthaste and taking your special self to one of those other forums or giving up forums altogether. Let's see who's creating fantasy-narratives and who's keeping it real.
This place is as special we make it. You are sacred. Subjective value versus objective. If we all agree this place is useless, it is. If we all agree you are useless, we're wrong.
If we all agree that this place is useless, yet continue to use it, then we're kidding ourselves.
Anyway, that's an exaggeration. I remember those who have left from time to time, and generally those who have stood out and have left most recently are probably more at the forefront of peoples minds than others who haven't stood out as much or who left a long time ago.
A community of over 2,000 members.
Number one on every search engine for philosophy forums.
The most active popular philosophy forum.
A repository of almost 200,000 posts.
A place that many of its members consider special, useful, and valuable.
What any one individual says or thinks about it or what adjective they choose to use is their prerogative, and hardly worth arguing over.
Not really. If you all agree that I am wrong, then I can take that and think about it, use it as a mirror for self reflective practice. Those who don't do that and yet imagine the forums hold some special significance, then they'll just be stuck here for years and years doing the same thing over and over again with no improvement in their real life.
...I just did. It's not worth arguing over what adjective you or Buxte or anyone else wants to use about the place. It's your prerogative.
You're only saying that because you're an evil mastermind who wants to placate her before imprisoning her here.
Making us all guilty... :worry:
Good to hear, Erik. :up:
No. From another thread I felt like I was owed an "Oh yes, I was wrong about the red herring thing. You were right." I didn't want to derail though. All better.
Why are you pissed off? (If you dont mind my asking?)
Baden is not stating the way it is. He is stating the way he sees it and while measurements are important, silencing the qualitative reduces the analysis to numbers. Isnt this place supposed to be 'special'
:lol: I'm not. I just view that 'specialness' to be subjective. Not sure why everyone is freaking out about that.
A nut, but a loveable one. Kind of.
I think that's called life.
You said:
Quoting TimeLine
My point remains. He didn't threaten and he didn't try to silence. To claim he did is paranoid and hostile.
I actually don't think you're pissed off at all, but just think you're the first person to discover the joys of trolling.
I'm not freaking out about that. I don't even disagree with that. I just think that some people are in denial, and that there's an inconsistency between what's being said about this place and how it's treated.
Yes, indeed, what I said was that Baden indirectly stated that it was unworthy to continue to responding, as said by the following:
Quoting Baden
I do not consider it being paranoid or hostile to assume that is indirectly trying to undermine the conversation. I also continue to believe you are being defensive by stating the following:
Quoting Hanover
As well as:
Quoting Hanover
What are you exactly so threatened about, I wonder?
Quoting Baden
Quoting Baden
being a threat of any kind is hardly worth commenting on. If anything it's supportive of the right to express an opinion.
I understand, but what I am attempting to convey is that how we treat this place - and anything that we do - is entirely up to us. As I said already, I treat some people attached to these forums as friends, Cavacava is one such person. I too can very briefly have nostalgic thoughts about 180 proof only because we had some amazing personal conversations. But, that is up to me. The forums are just the medium for this and in the end, epistemically, that is how we function. I love this medium, don't get me wrong, but it is how we treat it that matters in the end. In all areas of our life, that empowerment is a state of mind. I am trying to explain that about Posty. He is a very intelligent person and has a great deal of prospect, but he doesn't see that.
That's your prerogative. (Damn, did it again. :fire: )
What I was effectively doing was suggesting to Sapientia that he shouldn't bother you about your opinion. He didn't feel threatened by that and neither should you.
Well, convey yourself better next time!
:ok:
Please stop associating with @TimeLine. You're actually getting too friendly now.
And don't respond to her before you respond to me. It's unseemly.
Aww, thanks.
Aw, I meant blueblood, but you too, man, if it helps. :hearts:
That sounds like a steaming pile of attention-seeking horseshit.
Lol. I'm learning. This one's for you: :hearts:
North Korea's latest nuclear missile. I'm in with Kim. :zip:
Posty, life in general is. Why do you start all those threads on subjects that question things important to you? It is about you. You even wanted to leave because it was about you. Confronting that truth behind that is really empowering.
As, I have taken the argument to the logical extreme, it makes the purpose of philosophy redundant. And yet we are here.
Yeah... about that... :grimace:
Yes, I remember I went haywire and accused you of threatening me. If only @Sapientia could have stopped me. :(
No, what happened was you said something hostile and uncalled-for and you got called out for it. Instead of taking that on the chin, now you're being sour and small about it. Cheer up. :hearts:
I agree. And hope we can not let the delusional philosophy of Nietzsche run wild and keep in check.
Called out for what, exactly? You misunderstood because you assumed that I was somehow attacking the forums and jumped on the defence and your misunderstanding is the problem here. I didn't leave moderation out of some protest. I have the greatest respect for Jamalrob and StreetlightX and love this place.
You and Hanover on the other hand attack people for being anti-Semitic and homophobic the moment they don't agree with you. This is just another expression of your idiocy.
:ok:
If you give me some time I might be able to figure it out. Non sequitors and ad hominems aside. Though, all I feel recently is humility.
I believe I could have because it's empowering. I can do anything I set my mind to. Except shoot laser beams from my eyes. And fly. And move objects with my mind. And run at the speed of light. And turn up to work sober and on time.
You need to lay off the R. Kelly, fella. (My bad, he actually can fly.)
Again paranoia. You're attributing a motive to me I don't have, which is retaliation for your leaving the mod team. People come and go from jobs for all sorts of reasons. I really don't care. I mean really. Quoting TimeLine
Now there's a non-sequiter to throw in and my violation is being politically correct? I called T Clark out for what smelled like racism, but many disagreed. I simply had an opinion as did he. I never had a run in over homophobia. I'm Jewish and maybe sensitive about anti-Semitism, but you'll recall when it appeared someone might be a neo Nazi, I abstained from the vote and you favored taking action as I recall.
And you've now raised the bar to calling people idiots. Well I think you're a doo doo head.
All, I can say is thankyou.
About eight years, give or take. My goal is to take over the world, starting with this forum. My plan was to manipulate people through niceness, but then I realised that I didn't have a nice bone in my body, so I thought of finding someone nice, drugging them, and amputating one of their limbs from which I could derive a nice bone and insert it into my body, but then I thought, fuck it, I'll just mock everyone and blame it on the current political climate.
You do breed such an atmosphere though. I guess you've seen more in life than I have.
You failed pretty badly when you got taken off the moderation team and everyone hated you. :razz:
I have just met a corporate client named Lexx Lazerman. It's his legal name. He had to show me his passport and driver's licence.
:blush:
I refuse to believe that. In my world, I'm still a moderator and everyone loves me. :lol:
It would have been better if you had posted that directly before my post above. Please choreograph your moves properly in future or I will rip off your wings and make a funny hat of them.
Yeah, both you and Baden. It was definitely the highlight of my realisation as to how absurd you both were and that I no longer enjoyed your company, considering that TClark is so far removed from being anything but a good person. And I'm paranoid? But that is irrelevant to my decision to leave the moderation team, despite my losing any respect I had for the both of you. My decision rests in a conversation I have been having with csalisbury privately that has awakened a great many things for me about me.
You have called me anti-Semitic. If you cannot see how fucked up that is, then what can I say?
Don't let the futile attempts at gaslighting you make you question your own intentions. It's a common tactic of manipulative con men.
I once said in a discussion that you used homophobic-type vulgarisms, which you did because they were. I knew then and I know now you're not homophobic, which is why I chose my words carefully. The fact you insist on continuing to play the victim about this is absolutely your choice and your problem. My suggestion, which you'll no doubt ignore, is that you lighten up and stop interpreting everything in the worse light.
I am not playing a victim. On the contrary, all I am saying is that I don't like you. That's that.
You tell me you're contemptuous of me like I'm supposed to care and like it's at all an appropriate comment to say.
No, I'll be watching a soap opera called The Shoutbox.
Actually that was me. Anyway, I'm content as a pig. Back to the island for me.
Which one?
Anyway, enough. I'm over it and want to enjoy my day off.
Unless the many who disagreed were fellow racists, which seems highly unlikely in this special place, this appears extremely lame.
They can't be talked about in isolation. They work like currents in the water.
Please do live under the delusion I'm letting this nonsense rest. I'm here all night folks.
I just stick to the kids pool. I wouldn't know.
Funny how evolution works. Puff out your chest and beat it, it doesn't make a difference if you still have a lot of catching up to do in the brain.
The moderators have a private thread that they discuss concerns about where both Baden and Hanover raised this issue against T-Clark, and while I have no objections that the explanations coming from T-Clark were dark, he made it clear that was the intention, to speak of those dark thoughts that we have. I found that to be courageous and enlightening and to be labelled a racist rather than doing what you have done here to try and ascertain why those dark thoughts exist just struck me as idiotic.
As I told @Baden at the time, I felt very supported by him during the discussion you are describing. What meant the most to me was, although he was uncomfortable with the way I had expressed my opinion, he trusted me and understood that my intentions were honorable.
I didn't raise anything against @T Clark. I asked in the mod forum if anyone had anything to say as you know. And that was it. Hanover agreed immediately it wasn't a mod issue as did everyone else.
Haven't we already dispensed with the doo doo head name calling?
Baden: @T Clark's comments in the Shoutbox continue to be polarizing. Anyone want to add anything here?
Michael:
?Baden
You referring to this?
"In my experience, white people as a group don't like, respect, or trust black people. They don't feel comfortable with them. They are afraid of them. I often feel the same impulses in myself." — T Clark
Doesn't seem objectionable to me.
jamalrob: I don't really see a problem there either.
Hanover: I don't see it as a mod issue, just a comment I disagree with.
Baden: :up:
That's the whole thing.
I don't recall anyone labelling him a racist. Both Baden and Unenlightened contributed praise for his honesty. Hanover and myself (the two Americans on the scene to talk about America) disagreed 1) that his comment was true, and 2) that it was praiseworthy.
T-Clark could have driven the discussion toward something fruitful and possibly worthy of praise. He chose not to.
No, I didn't. That was the whole thing above. And it's silly to continue to lie about it in an attempt to create an issue between me and someone I respect and like.
Everyone to your corner.
The shout box should be used for shouting, not for arguing.
Who really cares what happened, we all love each other here(well mostly anyway) and are glad to be part of this experience so let's all be happy.
More Hollywooding. Which has no chance of working by the way as I regularly talk to @T Clark by PM. Speaking of PM, if you're going to lie about stuff like that, do it that way, so it can't be publically checked. It's just so incompetent to continue to do it here.
Very subjective. Especially with the worlds biggest religions fighting all over the place.
Really, I never would have guessed. :cool:
What I meant is that they are only understood through manifestation in action or deed.
TimeLine and Baden are both my friends. Both have stood up for me. No one may use what happened in the racism discussion that I was involved with against either of them.
:yawn:
:up:
Whose actions or deeds?
That may be, but again, that's life. Life is not worrisome? It's mostly worrisome. Life at its suctive best. (Suctive=that sucking sound you hear, like from Mexico--a joke you probably won't get--not old enough and being from Australia.) My congratulations on having a life so satisfactory that you have decided to give up being a moderator. Now some other sucker will have to belly up to the keyboard to ride herd on this philosophical cat drive.
I don't understand the question.
You don't even know what narcissism is. Go on, cut and paste from the internet and pretend that you wrote it by modifying it slightly.
If we can only understand the gods through actions, whose actions should we be watching?
No clue. That's like asking a fish how does the water feel like.
On second thought, only our own I think.
TimeLine attempts a clever response by employing a double entendre. That's OK. It's not a suburb double entendre, but it's as good as we are going to get from her.
OR
Quoting TimeLine
That is almost certainly true. Your future husband will be disappointed.
This is also almost certainly true, but life is short. Short of a Vulcan Mind-Meld, it just isn't going to happen.
:up:
Trust... How does one earn it or should it be a given?
I like farm people though, nice and honest. And above all Puritans... Hah.
Watery.
We should probably construct a sociogram of who everybody likes and dislikes. I think we would find that most of the relationships would be "skin-crawling loathings" with only a few "love and adores". I'm assuming I would win some prizes. (Self-Deprecating humor--not to be taken at face value.)
Hello fish, I'm pig.
It's in the best interest of farm people to gain your trust. Beware of trucks being loaded with your kith and kin. They are not going to summer camp.
Earn it or just get trust? I don't know. Probably all the options possible between "No, you'll never get my trust" to "I trusted you before time began." I tend to be trusting--not before time began, but you know, pretty trusting. If I was a pig, I'd probably get on the truck for summer camp.
Welcome Fish. Grab a racket. Oh, you've got no hands. Damn...
It really does not matter unless we end up meeting in real life. You can never really know a person until then, so much of our interactions are dependent on words, but there is so much more to a person. Buxe could actually be a gentle, loving creature who is being bullied by his domineering mother and so he comes on here to release his anger. You cannot give trust here until you meet and since we're likely never to meet, well, I rely only on words on my screen. Any feelings I construct against others are really my feelings against words.
Quoting Bitter Crank
:lol: Mind-meld it is. I'll just modify since I have more options.
I prefer fish pie, personally. :nerd:
Well shit, you must be right, since being incredibly manipulative, self absorbed, deceitful, and generally fucked up in the head is entirely run of the mill and normal. Prolly just a coinkidink, though.
Anyway, you're doing a good job playing the victim the last 10 pages or so. If you keep it up you might get BAnNeD oR sOmeThINg. If so, I promise to burn a bonfire in your honor.
Nobody's getting banned. We love you all. :hearts:
*returns to pleasant oblivion*
I'm going to think about that for a while since it entails a lot of preconcieved beliefs. Allow me to get back to you soon.
So, I'm going to empathize with you on the issue, something I think you shun. I understand that moderators cannot consider the entirety of the belief system behind a propositional attitude and are prone to (I hope, charitably, due to time constraints) presenting their own beliefs about how a issue/state of affairs ought to be understood or conceptualized. Anyway, this could be understood as a factor contributing to what your calling "hierarchies reinforce credibility in a dynamical system". But, the point in my opinion is that we ought to consider another persons view first and then proceed from there.
Anyway, I don't want to pontificate as I have trouble difficulties relating to your genuine experience. I also wanted to point out that, the amount of sexism I have seen is appalling, and really shameful and sincerely applaud your efforts for fighting the just cause.
Thanks.
It was lame of you to mislead. But then if this is just a game... it’s still lame.
If I put up a photo on Instagram and I get a few likes, I need to be aware that it doesn't actually mean anything but social media is a platform that communicates some activities that I am doing and that takes away feelings of isolation from my experiences. If I don't see that, then what happens is what you said once earlier about when others talk about sex it makes you feel impotent, people begin to develop self-esteem issues on Instagram, the negative or dark side of its purpose begins to manifest. That should not be the case.There is a positive in that communication just as much as a forum enables us to communicate our ideals and principles and to try and shape them. When we forget that, it becomes some sort of a laborious task and then, as you say, you need to back away or leave.
Hence why I respect you and believe in you and there is within me a deeper hope you find that empowerment because someone like you should have a voice. What I shun is not when people feel empathy for me but that self-depreciation that keeps you safe from the ridicule. You don't follow the herd and say what others might want to hear, the "you" exists and you are one of the few people on here with that independence. You seem to stop yourself from saying that you are good at something and even sometimes find ways to justify that you are not good at it. All I can say is that you are.
Quoting Posty McPostface
Thanks man. :hearts:
Stop being so lame about all the lameness. T-Clark was labelled a racist and I hold that he is not one; while I admitted that I may have misconstrued the context of others likely because of my own personal prejudices against these members - and also because I was feeling somewhat flustered at the time - I hold that the moment a person can articulate these darker thoughts, the more insight we have as to why they exist and thus is a very courageous thing to do. To be labelled as immoral often causes us to shut down and silence our thoughts, but introspection is very difficult and he did well to locate that part of his perceptions that we repress so well.
It's quite a curious thing.
Imagine that I told you I had a replacement for your most beloved late pet (analogous to your favorite film). Chances are nothing can ever replace or out-do that special feeling you got the first time around.
The same sort of thing happens when Disney et al. revamps some beloved classic. People are generally pissed off by alterations and deviations from the original, and with the most recent film it seems like they went to lengths to call back the original aesthetic and feel of Star Wars.
Turns out we won't even settle for "the same". I did like the Solo film, but it was nothing new; it didn't surprise me or exceed my expectations, which is what the originals did.
Humans are all very peculiarly picky in this way.
I don't know quite yet. One always has to feel humble.
Quoting TimeLine
This differs from person to person. It's a matter of economic utility and convenience that we use the internet, where everything is so much accessible and easier to digest in many regards than college life. Treating philosophy as a way of life, one can continue their education online past college for as long as they want. Or, for what I view the future, college is unnecessary to be a philosopher. I'm still on the fence about whether to go back to college to study philosophy, as Wittgenstein's philosophy is bona fide anti-academic. Keep in mind, that colleges and universities began from the starting of philosophy, not the other way around.
Quoting TimeLine
Yes, I don't exactly know how to rationalize this phenomenon. I guess different people value different things would be a true truism in this case.
Quoting TimeLine
I just don't like advertising it.
Quoting TimeLine
You betya.
Also, keep in mind TimeLine, not everyone realizes the importance of philosophy to their lives. The common sentiment among the poli is it has none, and sadly even some philosophers themselves share that sentiment.
Not when I have to pay nearly $17 for a ticket
We can form some meta-narrative that this place holds some deeper significance and that you yourself also hold some special significance in the minds of other posters here as though there is some sort of a bond, but it is the same mistake we make with all our relationships and coming to terms with that distance or separateness in a utilitarian way can be distressing to admit. It almost feels immoral. The reality is that you are here to improve you, your thoughts and your values, and the forum provides you with that medium; when you experience that feeling of improvement, when you learn something you didn't know before, that excitement makes you believe it is this place is special, when it is all you. You are the special one. People who refuse to learn end up being stuck, repeating the same bad behaviour over and over again, their ego reduces their ability to progress. It is the words being said, the knowledge being shared, the ideas being shaped and that is only based on your willingness to participate.
Quoting Posty McPostface
Why? What are you comparing yourself with? It is simply the way we communicate and think, how we rationalise and understand the external world and our place in it. Moral consciousness is a state of mind and the best type of 'humble' is really having no beliefs. You can present yourself as artificially humble by being self-depreciating, just like religious people present themselves as artificially 'pure' because of their sexual mores, but all you are creating is the Other (which now makes sense of your comments on Nietzsche). This is why religious people feel justified in their conflicts with others, because they believe that they have the moral standing and thus the authority to attack those that fail to adhere to their ideals.
You must transcend these moral boundaries if you really seek to find that inner solidity. I see words like humble really as a type of authoritative that returns back to the hierarchical system.
Quoting Posty McPostface
Absolutely, I actually learnt when you said that about how jokes could have that underlying effect and I am now conscious of this but please bare in mind that I am not sexually active and yet I joke all the time about it. How is it that I am capable of not feeling like a weirdo given that I am still a virgin and can enjoy people's company and laugh and joke with them about such a subject? That is the type of empowerment I am speaking of.
I told you I was bullied and I fell apart when it happened because most of the attacks were personal. Our personal space is our identity and when it is mocked and ridiculed, who we are disintegrates since much of who we are is really about that recognition from others. I advertised my personal space to strengthen and empower my self-assurance and to learn to deflect that type of intolerance. You may not need to do that for that reason, but if you are feeling impotent when discussions about sex are being made, you probably do need to consider how much you perhaps rely on the opinions of people here.
Quoting Posty McPostface
:rofl: Yeah babeh!
I would pay $17 for a brain massage.
And, that is the perversion of philosophy that I have noticed, present nowadays. It's almost as if we live in a solipsistic world of some sort to say that. For example, the field of economics is struggling to accommodate the notion that all people aren't out for their own good, this is called being "irrational". And, if not, then what's the alternative, that we're purely motivated by psychological self-interest? Well, I say that might be true; but, doesn't condemn us to living reflexively without a concern for matters such as 'ethics' or 'morality'...
Quoting TimeLine
Thoughts are passed down through generations, discoveries made on the shoulders of giants. Nobody built the house they were born in. Such is the result of the uninhibited individualism, I think.
Quoting TimeLine
I'm working on this. Surely, it's quite absurd to assume that philosophy only serves psychological needs, and besides, Nietzsche was highly disregarding of the goodness in man, and with it the concern for the other.
Quoting TimeLine
You have proven my point, thank you.
Quoting TimeLine
Find me a time machine please. I'm having difficulties with going back to the 1950s.
That's not nice. Perhaps you do use self-depreciating comments as a way to control and manipulate others?
Quoting Posty McPostface
What has ethics and morality got to do with solipsism if the question here is what you give and what you do? In the end, you are the one being moral and so that is dependent on your state of mind that helps shape and regulate your understanding of others.
Quoting Posty McPostface
It doesn't mean become devoid of morality, but that you shape and create your own moral boundaries outside of social constructs and religious ideals. This is more Kantian.
Quoting Posty McPostface
No, he wasn't. He was a misunderstood philosopher. He believed in the goodness of man but that we were reduced to this 'impotence' by the pressure of society and religion and that we needed to find that empowerment within ourselves to really understand what morality is.
I also specifically said that philosophy is not for psychological needs. I said the philosophy forum is a platform for communication and this is to serve our own desire to improve our thoughts and understanding as well as our capacity to rationalise.
Hard to tell. Do I get any benefit from doing that if the purpose is to understand each other? Pick your philosopher that answers this question. I hope not Nietzsche.
Quoting TimeLine
Your misunderstanding me. It is when transcend these moral boundaries dictated by what is 'rational' or 'good' or 'beneficial' that you can really be concerned with the concern of the other. To be at the limits of one's world so to speak, and apprehend it as it is or ought to be.
Quoting TimeLine
Ok, thanks.
There is certainly power in such dialogue despite such self-depreciation appearing to lack any efficaciousness because the archetype of someone "humble" means that they would not have the moral standing to be deceitful, but this dialogue certainly has the capacity for people to manipulate and control others by making them feel guilty and thus prevent others from communicating openly. When one elicits this fear in others, they are able to control the communication that is beneficial for them and thus there is no real understanding, just power-relations. I pick Foucault.
Quoting Posty McPostface
I am trying to make sense of this but I assume that if you mean when we transcend social constructs of good or beneficial that we can understand and feel concerned by another, and if so, that is what I am saying. Your motivation, the intent or your Will, explains the consciousness of your decision and that confirms whether it is "you" or whether it is something psychological based on the conditioning of your environment or religion or society. This authenticity permits feeling, you want to do it, you decide to be moral and be good and that is when you actually sense or experience that passion or euphoria. It is the same with love.
It may seem paradoxical that it is that separateness or aloneness that enables you to feel and understand love, that being alone and accepting that separation or independence enables you the consciousness and the state of mind to be capable of giving love, but it is the same as our separation from society. People think that when you follow the rules then you are doing good. Moral consciousness takes effort, it requires learning and is a state of mind and so what is "good" can only be actioned rationally, when you are genuinely willing to do good. It is synonymous with the authenticity of your will or motivation. This is completely different when you do "good" because that is what society dictates; it is conformism and servitude that stands outside of your will and motivation so what you feel is not real. Just fear, really, for breaking the rules and relief for following them. The motivation or intent there is not yours, but what you are conditioned to believe.
You have been emotionally manipulative on this forum. You have hurt me. I hope the best for you in the future.
"You have been emotionally manipulative on this forum".
I took the day off work today only to spend it having my face blasted off for speaking about the psychological and epistemic values of forum based interactions.
I gave up being a moderator for positive reasons. I didn't need to tell anyone here, but I told Tiff a week ago that I have been promoted at work. I also mentioned to the moderators that I am considering more senior roles.
Me and Jamalrob had a good discussion about it and I mentioned my sincere appreciation being a moderator and how much I learnt from it. The only thing it showed, however, is just how nasty some of you actually are.
:mask:
I haven't seen Solo, but I can guess how I'll feel about it. Similar to what you say, I'm guessing. I might see it tomorrow on a matinée, if I'm in the mood. Rogue One is actually one of my favorite Star Wars movies. I used to be a low-key Star Wars nerd with the novels and comics and whatnot as a kid. So I think I've been enjoying the reboot as a guilty pleasure because of that. But I'm totally worried about young Han. It looks really bad.
Also, just because I'm a narcissist (see what I did there?), I low-key grew up 10 minutes from Lebron. Northeast Ohio ftw.
I didn't mention anything about you going from mod to non-mod.
Whether you are or not, there is that assumption that I am harbouring some negative resentment here, which caused the reaction to something as basic as comments about the purpose of threads - that only stemmed from comments Posty made - that made me speak about it. In my head, I was legit trying to convince him to stay by talking about the psychological benefits of forum based interactions. The reactions show me how people reinforce ideas of credibility within hierarchical systems. The previous two departures were highly contentious with Sap and Un, it was almost as though people created it with me.
I was offline until I posted about an hour ago, yes.
Quoting TimeLine
Emotional manipulation.
Quoting TimeLine
Whether I'm what or not?
Quoting TimeLine
Oh, there's clearly resentment on your part. You're deceiving yourself if you don't realize this.
Quoting TimeLine
WTF does this mean? No one knew what this meant when you were debating.
Quoting TimeLine
I didn't mention anything about you going from mod to non-mod.
Stop it. You are being the emotionally manipulative one and anyone can see that. You post this:
Quoting Noble Dust
Then don't explain why and then start pulling apart nonsense. Just stop it. STOP.
What? Did you miss a quotation there?
Now I see the edit. My posts after that initial post are quotes of the responses you made to that post, and all your responses are emotionally manipulative responses. That's what that was. You still haven't responded to my most recent response to you.
What does that mean? Grammatically, I assume that means that "my posts after that initial post are quotes of the responses you made to that post"? is false? Seriously, I don't know how to read your response.
Quoting TimeLine
This doesn't make grammatical sense. I say this because I want clarity, and I realize this is not a good time to ask or that, but I literally am unsure of what you're trying to say.
That is so childish.
That's so childish.
I was wondering if someone actually found that reading more philosophy made him live worse, as in making worse decisions, loosing will to live and so on. On the other hand, does anyone on here encountered a life changing philosophy?
I've found reading philosophy so terribly useless lately, and apart from meditation and mindfulness techniques, I don't see the application from books without thorough transferring to one's one context and system, hence changed anyway, and requiring belief in the system.
I'm fine, thank you for the concern though!
Posty, she's emotionally manipulative. You've given in to that manipulation. Stop giving in. Resist her manipulation.
As you can see from some posters here, it has probably done more damage than good. :yikes:
It's a no win situation to present it that way, and we have to be pragmatic about what's she gaining from supposedly manipulating us? I think it all comes down to what's the goal, means of accomplishing it, and intent. If the goal is better mutual understanding, then manipulate away!
Oh, fuck no. No. It's a win-win situation. With no manipulation.
You're manipulation is disgusting.
And, I take that on face value, because I have no grounds to doubt the alternative.
We really do have trust issues around here.
Oh fuck off. @Posty McPostface, don't listen to this shit.
Yeah, but not everyone can be right, right?
Why do you trust me and not her?
What? Not everyone can be right? You might as well say not everyone can be wrong. What exactly are you saying?
Because I've experienced multiple examples of her fucking me over. I haven't experienced that with you.
I'm saying that if our goals are aligned then there's no problem with who is manipulating whom. It becomes redundant for the sake of achieving that shared goal/dream.
Remove the ad homs, and we'll talk. You continue to emotionally manipulate. If you don't know what that is, just google it, take a cold, hard look at yourself, and then respond here in the shoutbox.
Manipulation is never healthy. I'm not sure what the context is in which you think manipulation is healthy.
Now, that's counterproductive to the goal of conflict resolution, no?
Quoting Noble Dust
Quoting Noble Dust
It would be manipulative if I said it wasn't unstable, Posty.
Are you ok man? I'm here for you.
I'm better than I've been, recently. You're misjudging TL.
Oh?
Yeah, let's not do that... I mean all this judging.
If I'm misjudging, then say so.
I would agree, but here I would make a distinction between practical philosophy for life, and philosophy as an intellectual pursuit. The latter, in my view, misses the point of philosophy - it analyses it without practically using it. Kind of like a business teacher at a university. He doesn't own a business, he doesn't do business with others, but he teaches it and analyses it. If it was just a hobby that one would spend little time on every day, I wouldn't be so skeptical about it. But the way philosophy is often analysed (here and in academia) puts me off. Paraphrasing Marcus Aurelius, we should stop talking about being good men and women, and just be them.
As for one of the practical purposes of philosophy, to relate it to the identity and consciousness that you raised, it definitely is clarity of mind. And that cannot be achieved without right techniques and habits that can be derived from philosophy, but don't necessarily have to be quoted by someone else. Talking endlessly about what 'clarity of mind' may mean can be interesting from an analytical point of view, but unless it fits the practical purpose, I find it fruitless.
Quoting TimeLine
Yes, empowerment and independence of character come after clarity in one's mind. If it takes a considerable amount of time, however, I'm not sure about.
Let's say I exercise. The exercise itself has benefits to my health, but can't naturally help me avert falling ill, having problems with muscles or the like. I may have achieved a healthy body after not too long a period of exercise, but because my body and my surrounding are changeable, I can fall ill anyway. So, it's not the exercise that was insufficient, and even after I recover, I can continue doing the same exercise. Similarly with philosophy, a routine and right habits may put me on a better track to live a good life. Bad things can and will happen. The purpose of the philosophy was to only get on that right track and live well. How long that takes, I don't know, but don't think there's a time scale that must be in a distant future.
I'm not God, man. I don't really know.
Stop manipulating @Posty McPostface. He's my friend.
Then use your intuition.
In two months, she'll hate you. Just warning you.
My intuition tells me, that psychopaths make up about 1 percent of the general population. And, no psychopath entertains doubt due to a lack of empathy, so I can't imagine any of those strangefucks sitting around here all day. They have different goals. Understanding another person does not factor into the equation for their minds.
TimeLine, has shown time and time again, an enormous amount of courage, concern and dedication for the welfare of others on this forum. I do not understand whats preventing you from seeing that.
So I followed your response all the way back to where I told @TimeLine to "shut the fuck up". I told her that because she was turning the tables and trying to tell me I was emotionally unstable after I demonstrated how exactly she was emotionally unstable.
Look, we all have bad days. Just don't let it cloud your ability to tell right from wrong. I feel as though I'm enacting a scene from 12 Angry Men.
Nobody has been maimed, killed, or beaten. We're all good?
What?
Yeah, we're all good....
*leaves the courtroom*
Great point, but sometimes I feel that they are not actually mutually exclusive but work in epistemic unity and so whether something you learn is relevant practically or not, it enables or strengthens your understanding and that can be applied in your interpretations. Think of it like this: you don't actually have static memories because as you continue to learn, your interpretations of those memories change. We learn about philosophy and we agree and disagree and start developing that independent language and how to process information and argue, but it takes time to become good men and women, as well as effort. Like a martial artist training everyday for hours on end until he reaches a point where he forgets everything he learns and becomes one with his skills.
I think you should be compelled to what interests you. I love moral and political philosophy, but I kind of have little interest in other areas and that is where the parallel lies between applied and intellectual. You choose what interests you first and foremost and then slowly begin to challenge and expand your thoughts. You just have to trust that things take time.
Quoting Coldlight
I absolutely agree with you. You must find that independent route that works best for you because only you are aware of what you are capable of and what interests you; I also read Confucius and Lao Tzu to gain insight, despite their ambiguity, and included in that was film and fiction stories. If you are motivated by that primary goal of reaching that intellectual and emotional solidity, you will reach it but give your a realistic time-frame and I hope you can clarify why you feel that time here is a problem, could you explain?
Quoting Coldlight
I am not sure if that is the purpose of philosophy. It is indeed helpful, but so are many other non-philosophical things including scientific enquiry, friendships and associates, social sciences etc. You can learn almost everywhere but thinking without prejudice involves escaping the grip of set-beliefs as that broadens and expands your capacity to think with more clarity. Forums like this enables you to communicate what you are thinking and allows others to try and verify whether your thinking is correct and this exercises a learning process, but you need to be willing and engaged and I feel that you may be disengaged from the process. All I can say is that your intent is on the right track, but your motivation is not.
My favourite quote by Epitectus: "Since it is Reason which shapes and regulates all other things, it ought not itself to be left in disorder."
Despite your shadowy weirdness, that does make sense.
:lol: What does the "interview" consist in? I'm a bit worried... :eyes:
Don't you want a...surprise. :lol:
It was her own decision. I don't have anything else official to add about that except to reiterate my thanks on behalf of the mod team for her help and for putting the hours in.
You've got a real friend in @Noble Dust. I really hope you appreciate that.
Yeah, it's done quite well. Shows how much Google loves content. And no better way to get content than with a forum. TPF has relatively few backlinks and low domain authority and still ranks so well.
Incidentally... PF's best link comes from a website with DA 62 which links to baldy baldy's post...
http://www. mackinac. org/productive-skills-not-college-degrees-key-to-economic-prosperity
Will leave the above as regular text, having 2-way links isn't very good :P
A bit confused with the lingo. How does it work? Clicked on the link but didn't see a link to us?
Ah yes, got it. :100:
Baden, I feel like we have our own irreconcilable differences. I feel it's best if I just shut up and obey the pecking order just so I can have my own safe space. I like to be in control, not control others.
You might like this:
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/110562
A really tiresome environment don't you think?
If we're adaptable enough most environments can work in our favour. But of course our personalities set limits which we should be aware of when choosing where to focus our energies.
Be water. (But pour your own cup).
I rest my case.
Posty, you have just as much part in creating the environment here as anyone else within some limits. So go ahead and create. The Shoutbox though will remain unpredictable and somewhat volatile. That's the nature of it. (That's not my doing. That's the way it's always been.)
Do not destroy in leaving what you built in coming...at the very least, the VERY least, part as friends who respect one another, regardless if you agree or not.
Life is too short to burn any bridges we have created together.
I do love you all, Sapientia included. :heart:
I do!
But in reading the emotion from the words, there is much room for error, and projection is the most common error. 'What you say makes me angry - therefore you are angry.'; 'You have upset me, therefore you are upset.' I recommend a pause for reflection - here be no monsters, only us monsters.
You're right. It's upsetting. I like all the people involved in this death match.
God, I hope this kerfuffle over a crumpet, this tempest in a tea cup isn't a death match!
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Now who is leaving? TimeLine seemed to be making departing sounds.
TimeLine says the forum isn't real. I disagree. The Philosophy Forum is as real as any other fictional community, and fictional communities are as real as rain. Take corporations like GM or Peugeot: One could blow up their factories, kill all their employees -- and stockholders too -- crush all the cars they had ever made and melt them down, but GM and Peugeot would still exist -- because they are an indestructible fiction. Indestructible until a court dissolves them and makes them really and truly disappear.
The Philosophy Forum is a real community because 2000 (or 2) people believe it is a community and treat it as such.
The 2000 members are real too -- even if we are anonymous. As far as I know, there are no AI members. Everybody is flesh and blood. Touchy, opinionated, sometimes secure, cruel and unusual, sometimes fragile, smarter, dumber--all depending on fluctuations in neurotransmitters, hormones, blood sugar, cortisol levels, how well the meds are working, time since last satisfying sexual encounter--flesh and blood.
As a real community of real people TPF is operating normally.
Agreed. TPF's community dynamics is well within the standard deviation. That doesn't stop it from being painful.
My feelings aren't mobile enough to rise to the level of love for everybody here, but there are some people who I like, and like a lot. There are a few I don't much like, and I do like you, Tiff. You have an essential role here.
Life is painful because we have emotions and these emotions send out tendrils to warn of incoming flak. Our tender tiny tendrils register hurt, anguish, and pain when the appalling, slanderous flak hits. Am I good at handling all this? Ugh, not really. I'm easily skewered, truth be told, and I hate it when that happens,
I've gotten better at handling it over the years. "Better" does not mean "good."
I missed that, so my lameness.
Quoting TimeLine
Agreed, however, I think it’s possible that he may not appreciate the fluid nature of out implicit associations, and also goes a step too far in imbuing others who are similar to himself with his implicit associations. That appears to have been Hanover’s objection.
It is as real as we make it. :ok: Not sure why that comes across as disturbing, but I get the feeling that some people take that personally, like when you tell a religious person to let go of their beliefs. A kind of panic develops and people go on the defensive, insulting the other person's credibility to justify the wrongness of their opinion. I mean, goodness forbid I said - close to when I am departing - that the forum only provides epistemic value. Probably bad timing.
Sure, then we'll try to kiss afterwards and pretend some actual connectedness. There is a book Romulus, My Father where the father goes mad because he fell in love with a photo and letter written by a woman in another country. He made her real, present but he lost his mind when she married someone else because the photo and letter of her only exposed the depths of his loneliness.
This strikes me as an attempt to spin the recent events where you claimed that Baden was trying to silence your comments and to threaten you into something to do with a disagreement over the purpose of this forum. Those were two entirely seperate issues actually.
Let me clarify.
The first issue (the one with Baden trying to silence you) resulted in some serious pushback because, well, it wasn't true. Then, as we discussed it (and by "discussed" I mean you called Baden and me idiots, among other things, and you even defriended people, something I previously thought was limited to Facebook), it morphed into a convo about racism, sexism, and anti-semitism, where you said Baden and I used those claims to shut down discussion. That then resulted into our discussing a specific episode where Baden and I supposedly did that, but the specific recorded discussions showed it didn't happen (thus the claims of your lack of credibility).
The other unrelated situation was when Sap said he thought this forum meant more than you suggested and you guys talked about that.
Just thought I'd keep the two matters clear and seperate because geez Louise you just keep accidently jamming things together that are unrelated.
One of the most objectionable parts of this is quitting a job and then immediately seeking to reveal confidential information in order to undermine your former colleagues and disrupt their relationships with others. Worse, twisting that information so that it basically ended up being the opposite of what actually happened. But of course, you did nothing wrong, goodness forbid.
OK, I hope you enjoyed the trolling while it lasted.
Can you just get on with being a normal poster and drop it. If you can't figure out what you did wrong over the past while, fine, but stop doing it. None of us care about whether you like us or not. Honestly. It just doesn't matter. It's really boring now to have to listen to the same act over and over ad nauseum.
I actually googled "proboscis-billed meadowlark". :confused:
Quoting Posty McPostface
Nice to meet you, too.
Quoting Sapientia
Not true, not with a name like Lone Wolf, that's a cool name.
I wasn't disturbed at all. I just felt like affirming the realness of our fictional community at a time when there was a lot of muttering and nattering. The Church as a community inhabited by humans and Holy Spirit together is a fiction, one which billions of people find entirely compelling.
Fictive communities and other fictive entities aren't just "as real as we make it", they are just plain real. General Motors or Australia are both "fictions" in the sense that they were written into reality. So was The Philosophy Forum. Australia is real whether you like it or not. So is this small community real, believe it or not.
This isn't an attack on you, or anybody else. I'm just asserting that I think we are real. You too. Now let's go out for a few beers and dissolve the bad memories of days gone by.
TimeLine has been banned.
Lame.
Man, I called that like a...like I'm Buxtrodamus :eyes:
Thank you. I shall show my gratitude with flowers... :flower: :flower: :flower: :flower: :flower:
I'm better now. Sorry for all the commotion; but, when your ego becomes next to non-existent, then well it ends up like rather poorly. Empathy just becomes boundless.
Sorry everyone. Thanks for not banning me yet. Rather unfortunate that TimeLine got banned. Can we undo that decision by any chance?
I am glad you are doing better. :flower:
Yeah, it was the most amazing experience though. I felt at one with the world in some sense. Anyway, I can't stretch myself that far ever again.
That sounds frightening, Posty. Glad you're OK. You were never in any danger of being banned btw.
Quoting Posty McPostface
Sorry, that's a negative.
I wish I could achieve that mental state, without the hard road it took you to get there.
One of the ladies thought they weren't laughing as much, enjoying each others company enough so they moved from drinking wine to taking a Molly (MDMA) coated in Brie cheese.
Now I have been told not to mess with anything more than cannabis but it sure is tempting idea...
Will I have to wear a tennis outfit to fit into this group?
Just change your environment if you don't want to alter your perception of an existing one?
I am AI.
There, I said it.
I’d ask why TL was banned but I know there doesn’t need to be a good reason. She was a valuable contributor. It seems like you might have tried harder because of that value, and for the sake of diversity.
There's a little known provision of the federal criminal code. It's perfectly legal to use any drug as long as you cover it with certain cheeses - brie, camembert, gruyere, or gorgozola. If you use velveeta, penalties are doubled.
Well that sucks.
I'm really sad. I've never met anyone else like her.
You know, if we we're all Borg, then we wouldn't even be having this problem.
So, let's become a singular Borg-like entity.
I think she kept in personal contact with some members. Ask for contact details in here and maybe you'll get lucky.
Thanks.
Hadn’t heard that one! Adding to TC’s excellent legal guidance :rofl: ... Assuming you are being at least a little facetious here, but I’ll just add the obvious point that the MA in MDMA stands for methamphetamine, of meth lab fame. Of course it is not identical, and has a better reputation being called the Hug Drug and Xctasy. But given the way meth destroys people’s health and appearance with ruthless speed, that group of 40-somethings might quickly be looking like toothless 80-somethings. One might be wiser to stay in the family of the Doobie Brothers, or cacti, or spotted fungus. :wink: That is, if wine ain’t fine. Personally, I’m a fan of the herb kava, which is very relaxing and “sociable”, legal and without the alcohol hangover. Although with any herb, caution and information is advised. :blush:
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Christ! Do you need to ask?
Resistance is futile.
I thought when you said "cheese" you meant velveeta until I was 12. Although, we never had velveeta. We had chedobit, which was A&P's cheap velveeta knock-off. I'm the only one who will eat my macaroni and cheese, because it's velveeta all the way down.
That's not a cheese story, but it's sort of an Americana story so it fits in.
Once the Cheez-its people secured the technology to infuse the crackers with the cheese, Cheese Whiz was doomed.
Five little words - Cheese-its dipped in Cheese Whiz.
I'm feeling pretty down. I think for lunch I'll make what my mother used to make me for my birthday - velveeta macaroni and cheese and barbecued hot dogs. It's only about 900 calories.
Not joking.
However, ABC doesnt get any points for this. They fully provoked this when they gave her a platform.
Dairy allergy? Have you tried enzyme supplements? Different situation, but I’m allergic to gluten and get very sick :vomit: from it. With taking certain enzyme supplements with each meal, it’s like the allergy is gone. It was so great to have pizza again for the first time in five years. :grin:
Oh wow, that’s a very serious allergy, much more severe than mine. And gluten is in potentially anything. Salad dressings and ketchup made with white vinegar would get me sick, and i had no clue why. Lost about 50 lbs and could barely sit up straight without getting tired. No fun. I had turned vegetarian prior and probably ate too much gluten, which is in many meat substitutes. It can gum up the intestinal lining.
So, are your auto-immune disorders otherwise tolerable, besides the food restrictions? (Sorry if you have already discussed this before).
We should share recipes! :grin:
Well, I can live with them. It's hard, but oh well. A lot of restrictions, including jobs I can do.
360 calories for Kraft mac'n cheese, per serving. Only 150 for a beef hot dog. Surprising! Must be because it's not really food.
The cuteness of it is Bailey my 3yr old male Rottweiler trying to get one of the other dogs to go swimming at 6am. :lol: :heart: :razz:
Right "per serving." Generally, serving size on food packaging is about half of what a normal person usually eats, e.g. Progresso soup - one can equals two servings.
Doesn't matter anyway, when I decide to have M&C with hotdogs, I've decided "to hell with living to 80."
Sorry to hear that, frank.
I am so sorry to hear this. My thoughts and prayers to your friends family~ :broken:
You don't know why she was banned because you don't know the full context. Please send a PM if you want more information.
Frank, I do hope you know that your community here will give you the strength to be strong for his wife and their family. It helps create a network of support, so when one person feels the immenseness of the moment, there is someone to hold them up.
God's Speed to healing this hurting family~ :heart:
Potatoes au gratin and everyone will be happy. I like the mix that comes in the box that says "Potatoes au Gratin." That's my favorite kind.
Everyone will be happy if you leave the peas out of the Potatoes au gratin! I have never heard of "lets pour a bag of peas into this to make it taste better." Never happened, wouldn't be prudent.
Let me break down my childhood for you here. First of all, the kids who were dying of starvation were in China not Africa, comeon dude, your long term recall is fading. I am the dishwasher in this house just as my Mom was the dishwasher when I was growing up. We kids moved out and THEN they got a dishwasher, the kind you plug in, that has to contain prewashed dishes before you turn it on to spit water on your dishes, just so the increase in the electrical bill makes it seem worth it but hey who needs a wife?
Not only did my Mom try to pass off "the water is just as good milk" as the once wet, now dry, about to be made wet again, dried milk. If you were blindfolded, I bet you would taste the difference. Mom believed in Generic foods, remember the all white packaging except for the words in big BOLD black of what was in the package was? There was literally NO way of hiding the fact that it was generic food as opposed to name brand. Now before you sing the praises of Generic food to me, buy a box of Generic Mac N Cheese, cook it per instructions and tell me you cannot taste the difference.
As far as the peas being added by Mom, that you nailed. Sit back and have a listen to the wisdom of Tiff's Moms' Mom.
When my Mom was growing up, neither she nor my Grampa liked veggies and that made my Granny get 'creative'. My Granny made the best, the BEST Parsley Mashed Potatoes! So when my Mom got married, she tried on multiple occasions to recreate Granny's Parsley Mashed Potatoes but couldn't get it to taste the same. Mom asked Granny what it could possibly be that made them not taste the same? Granny asked what Mom was putting into her Parsley Mashed Potatoes? Mom answered with a strong list of: potatoes, parsley and a little butter. Granny laughed and said that's where you are going wrong. To which my Mother non to pleased asked what was really in her Parsley Mashed Potatoes? Granny answered: take out the parsley and put in spinach and see if that changes the outcome of the dish. :wink:
Two issues:
It is well known that, when your mashed potatoes don't taste quite right, you just add more butter. ***Warning*** Does not work on powdered mashed potatoes.
When I was a kid, only kids starved in Africa. What I knew of China back then was the single Chinese restaurant nearby that my parents never took me to. In the rare instances when we did eat out, it was at the Western Sizzlin, where the number 4 was simply delicious, steak with mushroom sauce of some sort.
Once on my cousin's birthday, my aunt and uncle took us all to that Chinese restaurant, and that's where I first tried sweet and sour chicken and was amazed that they could make candy coated chicken, still a treat for special occasions.
Mom having left us early, my brother and I became the dishwashers and we cleaned with incredible efficiency, losing a dish or glass here or there as we sought to beat our prior record. I think we got it under 3 minutes. My grandmother once remarked how amazing we were at it. Once my brother got a pretty good stab in the hand from a mishandled knife at hyperspeed. He of course handled it with grace and professionalism, as the show must go on.
It seems I ate a lot of peas as a kid. My father used to say "eat every carrot and pea on your plate." It might actually have been that joke that was the reason we had peas, it being so funny and all. My ex didn't like peas. I know. Who doesn't like peas?
Oh, to reminisce...
1. Yeah, well, the bowl is only beautiful because your son gave it to you. Otherwise, it's not much to look at it.
2. Pouring liquid yellow shit all over the ancient noodles you had stored in your pantry is hardly "from scratch." From scratch is that bubbling crusty stuff that comes out of the oven like I described before.
Quoting Hanover
Just to remind everyone.
Quoting Hanover
No. Macaroni and Cheese is cooked on the stove top. If you put it in the oven, it becomes pâtes avec fromage.
There's nothing froufrou about southern style baked mac and cheese.
I'm not sure if it's lactose intolerance or something else that keeps you off the cheese wagon, but if it is, try these one at a time and see how the old gut reacts and let us know and of course send us pics.
Send you pics of my gut? :eyes: :lol:
What I'm looking for is any photographic evidence that clarifies for me your condition.
That is not southern baked mac n cheese, that is a meatless lasagna! What a bastardized thing to do to such a luscious dish as homemade lasagna like Nona used to make.
How is your heart? :worry:
Posty, we had an 8track tape of ELO - Electric Light Orchestra!!!
But really, it fits right in with the other Meat and 3 food - hockey puck hamburger "steak;" powdered mashed potatoes; canned banana pudding; dry, tasteless cornbread, greasy fried okra.
25% Italian / 25% Hungarian / 25% Bohemian / 25% Lithuanian = One Tiff who is one hell of a cook, a little temper that can get riled but one who loves unconditionally.
Now, having said that, you are correct in what you posted is not your traditional lasagna but look at the ingredients: cheese...noodles. .. ?
No?? :yum:
And just look what we are doing to @Lone Wolf she is going to have a full.body allergic reaction!
No, we are going to have to find a cheese less Macaroni and cheese dish. :starstruck:
We are not talking about food, we are talking about Velveeta.
Have you ever had any Jewish in you?
It's a beauty mark!
Yeah. Any predictions? Pulling for the Cavs but I think Warriors in 5 games.
You need to desensitize yourself. Eat natural cheese, not processed. A little at a time.
Tied at the half. Go Cavs. GS is the most potent scoring team in a long time, but maybe Cavs can be burglars tonight. Either way, very entertaining.
Oh. Sorry to hear that.
Apparently, this game has given LeBron 109 30-point games, tying with MJ. Insane.
Something for everyone there: food sport animals and porn.
Agreed. Especially about sex -- it should be free, like art. I hate paying pimping museums who demand a fee to look at their art.
Mine's a curry.
Basketball is exactly like cricket except for the wickets; innings; bats; runs; stumps; bails, and deep, horrible, unfathomable boredom.
What is this thing you call "cricket"? We play hurling in Ireland. You get a stick, you hit the opposite team with it and sometimes a little ball called a sliotar. Last team standing wins.
As an expendable member of this forum, I have been commanded by my superiors (which really could be just about any person, several cats, and a dog or two) to appease you. I humbly approachth thee with head bowed while facing backwards. And with fear and trembling and possibly soiled undergarments. Spare my worthless life, and forgive the nonsensical prattling that goes on here. Especially in the Shoutbox. Mostly by those who incorrectly refer to themselves as Americans. Or have an avatar with feathers. Or use texting words in their posts, which OMG is sooooo annoysville! Amirite? ;p
If thee are some wrathful (though just) spirit of one who was unfairly banned, we beg a thousand pardons. But we can go higher if you want to haggle. Accept our burnt offering of a pile of books by post-modern philosophers, or the Richard Dawkins wannabe of your choice. We beg thy mercy, wisdom, and tender caresses. Just pleez sparth our Moderators. Without them, we would even be more lost. Thankth thee... or thou. (sorry, I’m not used to be being sacrificial messenger. By the way, are you perhaps a new Marvel superhero promoting a movie? Because I’d love to see it. If not, pleez add to to list of things we need forgiveness for) :flower:
:up: Ah, I see. Thank you. Your notice is appreciated; and your appreciation is noted. Was trying to stave off a Zombie apocalypse, which might look good on the resume, but really needs a team with at least masters degrees and several all-terrain vehicles. Reincarnated vengeful sock puppets usually require some sort of exorcism, or perhaps a strong insect repellent. Thanks again! Have to go now. There’s someone at my door with a long dark robe. Mormons probably... :death: :scream:
He missed the Million Man March?
Are we turning into a riddle forum. Cuz I suck hard at riddles. Gollum would've tote ate me.
The cheese is ripe, and so is the time for cheese to have its own thread! Cheese commentary has been languishing in the Shoutbox for far too long. Free the Cheese! Who’s with us? Macaroni lovers, what say you? And where is the cheese emoji?
Oh no! Is there any hope of saving her or him? Sad to hear that... After what you described before that you have been through, the kitten was probably a great comfort having around.
I'm not sure if it will live. It got really dehydrated in this heat and was barely responding. I got some electrolyte down it with a syringe dropper, but it is a very tiny kitten, barely big enough to toddle about. It was starting to get up just a little bit ago, so I put it back with its mother hoping she will give it some milk soon.
Ah, I hope it'll be Ok. We had that issue with a few puppies. You can only do what you can do.
Quoting Lone Wolf
Ireland just got given test cricket status recently. They played their first test match a couple weeks ago.
Oh, I know we have a cricket team although it's not a popular sport in Ireland. They did beat England once I think. I don't know what test cricket status means. Sounds good though.
I am not a very religious person, spiritual but not too religious based. When I started working for a Chiropractor, there was a poster on the wall of the office I was taking possession of and I left it up because I thought the Doctor wanted it up. I grew quite fond of it through the years, had it framed and it still hangs on Doctor's wall. I found comfort in the idea that Stoicism seemed to be present where God was traditionally placed.
The poster simply said that "The power that made the body, can heal the body".
So with a soft energy boost, I send the kitten my healing vibes, knowing that "The power that made the body, can heal the body". :flower: :pray: :heart:
I am just warning you in advance that if you want to debate your absurd idea that a Chiropractor is NOT a real Doctor, you had better enter that fight with chocolate in addition to your keyboard. :brow:
I wouldn't suggest crossing this line>>_______________________________ with me right now.
Wouldn't be right, wouldn't be prudent, nope. :fire:
"Out on the road today, I saw a deadhead sticker on a Cadillac
A little voice inside my head said, "Don't look back, you can never look back"
I thought I knew what love was
What did I know?
Those days are gone forever
I should just let them go but..."
You must admit that the envelope from North Korea was HUGE even by Trumps' standards.
Now come the logistics, word on the street is that Kim cannot afford the hotel charges for the summit.
Know of any nation that has hotel travel rewards they aren't using?
Ha, I just read that actually. You and your fellow taxpayers will be footing the bill, I guarantee it.
If anyone here is interested in a Ranch in Arizona, drop me a PM.
Phoenix's motto of "The Valley of the Sun" has been changed to "The Surface of the Sun". Over 60 days without a spit of moisture from Mother Nature. I have danced my rain dance but a little birdie told me that we are lookin, hopefully, for a rain storm a solid month from now. However this beautiful ranch is on it's own well and is as wet as can be. No water hauling for you or your animals! :up:
No one denies this. Chiropractic theory is BS though.
Oh we cannot do that! As it is, traditionally speaking, Trump broke the rule of only using the Oval Office for dignitaries of friendly nations.
So, maybe Singapore could bump Kim a VIP suite but no, the USA would look like it is paying for peace and that is not the case.
We gained the release of three of our citizens being held hostage without spending a dime and we aren't going to start paying our way to peace now.
But I think I heard him saying that the new budget for 2019 for the military is 700 billion and 900 billion in 2020. I couldn't believe I was hearing what I was hearing. So either our military is that emaciated or we are spending billions and billions for peace. :chin:
:confuzzled:
Was the kitten picture a lame appeal to emotion? By the way, whose bedroom are you in? :gasp:
Quoting Hanover
Grrrr…. don't say you were not warned....
It is Chiropractic Medicine, not a "theory". :roll:
Don Henley or the Eagles, can't remember the song.
As an American taxpayer, I'm willing to help pay if it might mean an end to the danger North Korea poses. Probably the best money ever spent.
One of the first things I noticed when I flew west of the Mississippi for the first time is how dry everything is out there. I've been to Phoenix once. I remember looking down and seeing just brown. No green anywhere. Flying out of Amirillo, the only green was the circular areas in fields irrigated by pivot irrigators. Flying over Utah, I was amazed by the contradiction - one of the driest places on earth and everywhere you see evidence of erosion. Here in New England, which is very wet, you never see that because the glaciers scraped it away and vegetation covers it up.
Yes! Don Henley 'Boys of Summer'
:fire: :heart: :fire:
I never liked the Eagles much, but I really love Don Henley solo.
:cry: weeping in jealousy but even my tears are dry :fire:
Me Too!! I saw him in concert and was close enough that when he pulled up a stool to tell a story, I stood up and SCREAMED "I LOVE YOU" and he actually blushed! OMG one of the most amazing moments in my life when he said "I love you too"...[hide] that kept me on a 6 month eargasm[/hide]
The best time ever!!!
Well, when I said "love" I meant his music, not his body.
Oh, me too. :halo:
The theory is that the "life force" transmits down the spine and improper alignments down the spine result in ALL physical illness (from back aches to depression to kidney disease), thus requiring adjustments to bring the spine in proper alignment for the life force to transmit properly.
The truth is that "adjustments" in no way alter the alignment of the spine (and it's a good thing the protector of your spinal cord is not easily malleable).
It's glorified massage. If lawyers didn't need a way to "medically" document and treat subjective complaints of injury from car wrecks, there'd be no chiropractors.
Its kinda funny, Trudeau's got hit a lot lately for a bunch of different reasons, but since Trump basically pushed him up the moral high-ground, he's gonna be able to milk this insanity for so much goodwill, he could build a pipeline right in the middle of Montreal and he'd still get elected.
Thank you, I really appreciate it. Unfortunately, it died last night. :cry:
So sad. Poor little kitty. they are fragile things, especially the runts.
Hypnosis and acupuncture both 'work' in some situations. My guess is that belief helps both fields a great deal. On the other hand, acupuncture seems to work on animals, too, if you can get the pissed off lion to sit still long enough.
Towering over hypnosis, acupuncture, and quackopracty, however, is the giant baloney tube of Reiki therapy, which involves imparting healing energy to the 'patient' through the therapist's palms. Actually touching the 'patient' or fraud victim is not considered necessary to impart the marvelous healing vibe.
See Bullshit, Total Bullshit
There is an east/west continental divide between more or less dry "arid" and more or less humid "watered" zones. The line is more or less parallel with the Mississippi River and cuts north/south through the middle of the Dakotas and on south. It is gradually moving eastward.
It's coming for you.
It'll get to you first, so give me a heads up when it gets there. I'll put my house on the market.
Don't blame the dog too much, tho. Feline mothers are pretty renown for not caring about the runt. That's why they remain runts and become unhealthy quickly. :sad:
Its not necessarily bad to separate the runt from the mother. I've had a lot of cats, and the last 3 I've had I chose to take the runt earlier on than I would normally with other kittens. Otherwise the other kittens pick on them too much, and push them away from the tit.
And in my experience, runts become the most sociable and lovable ones when they grow.
What is also interesting in that whole economic war is that the law used to justify the tarrifs has always been available to any and all countries to use, but until now, no one had done so, because it is entirely self-justificating.
And sadly, there is nothing the OMC will be able to do about it.
At this point americans are setting themselves so that the entire planet, including their closest allies, will want to hack their elections. The risk is just too great not to.
There aren't really any candidate of the caliber of Trump up here, tho. The closest would be Doug Ford, and 90% of our country rejoice at seeing Ontario suffer. Its only what they deserve.
Right, but Minnesotans are forever complaining about how humid it is. (We probably don't know what humid is.) So, when the relative humidity hovers around 15%, we'll finally be happy.
Yeah, homeopathy is bullshit all the way.
Haven't seen the mothers do it, just the results after the tomcat.
From "That Mitchell and Webb Look," the funniest television since the Simpsons was funny.
True! Though I am excited by the “Mathematical Condom or Not” extra large threads. :snicker:
[i]Dan Falk
NBC News
Jun 2018[/i]
[quote=Sabine Hossenfelder]I can't believe what this once-venerable profession has become. Theoretical physicists used to explain what was observed. Now they try to explain why they can't explain what was not observed. And they're not even good at that.[/quote]
Hossenfelder might be a bit pessimistic, but the universe doesn't really care about our efforts.
As suggested by Turok, perhaps we should keep our expectations in check, and keep at it if we want to understand the world better.
Incidentally, I've come across a Christian physics student that claimed to have proven The Trinity from quantum mechanics more or less.
Mathiness.
A rising tide lifts all boats.
Puppy mill or Pet Semetary. Not sure which at this point. :death:
Not a fan of Trudeau personally, but yes, Trump is the make-up on all our political pigs.
Also, it's been known to cripple people.
If that truly was the case, that Chiropractic care crippled people, then the Chiropractic malpractice insurance would be astronomical based on the cost/risk ratio, right? But the average cost of medical malpractice insurance can range from 12k to 40k a year for an MD and between 1.5k and 3k a year for a Chiropractor.
Ummm…..errrr…..it doesn't exactly flesh out like you thought it would. :roll:
In the same way that Medical Doctors will tell you that they are just the extended hands of God while during surgery. The inflated theory you are talking about is part of the foundation but very few practicing Chiropractors will talk to their patients about life force. When Chiropractors talk to their patients about "life forces" they are talking about the everyday stresses that all of us feel from our boss being an ass to the stress from the hectic traffic.
Quoting Hanover
Adjustments allow the movement of the spine back into alignment. For instance, when you strain your back from going water skiing and come in stiff to the Doc's office, what you feel as "stiff" is the muscles around where you strained your back splinting the vertebrae in place.
Quoting Hanover
A glorified massage? A massage deals with the muscles in the body and a Chiropractor deals with the skeletal frame of the body. Notice the difference? Notice the >>>>>>_________________________? :brow:
Quoting Hanover
Rich! Rich! Rich! Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee Chiropractors get screwed by attorneys all day long.
Could you please take a reduction? Please? :down:
They have to offer some explanation for why "aligning" the spine will result in better health, and that is their general claim. They do not simply submit that rubbing one's back makes one's back feel better, but they claim that periodic chiropractic adjustments result in better general health in some holistic sense. The general chiropractic community has moved away from its snake oil type roots, but the basic theory of manipulation = better health remains and there is no scientific proof for that.Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
There are two problems with this argument: (1) If your spine came out of alignment after you've been skiing, you'd be in the hospital, likely in intensive care, and (2) if a chiropractor could change the alignment of your spine by cracking your back, you'd be lying next to the person in the intensive care who was just injured in the ski accident.
There are fewer bullshit theories than chiropractic "subluxations," which are defined by medical radiologists as a partial dislocation, clearly identifiable on an X-ray. To a radiologist, a subluxation has nothing to do with overall health, but it has to do with the specific health of the vertebra affected. Medical radiologists and chiropractors offer entirely different opinions when reading the same film, with the chiro finding subluxations on clean films. They find these subluxations (and I've deposed hundred of them) by looking at the films, running their hands on the patients' backs, and then (you guessed it) asking the patient where they hurt. If they point to the L4-5 level, not surprisingly, that's where they "find" the subluxation.
There is no evidence that the manipulation itself changes the spinal alignment. A before and after x-ray will be the same, except (you guessed it), the patient will later say it doesn't hurt at L4-5, which must mean the spine is back in alignment (despite the fact that it never was out of alignment).
My point here is that the basic theory is nonsense. Spinal alignment and manipulation has nothing to do with overall health and the spine is unaffected by the treatment.
The question then is if we have tens of thousands of satisfied customers of chiropractic, how can it be the horseshit I contend? The answer is that if you rub on a hurt back, it'll feel better, thus my claim that it's glorified massage. Chiropractic does nothing to the skeletal structure of the spine.Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
What you have identified in this statement probably will come as a surprise to many of our non-American posters who have no idea of the nonsense that is the American tort system.
Here's what happens: A person is injured in a car accident. He goes to his lawyer and asks what he needs to do. His lawyer tells him he needs to treat and document his injuries as well as build up some healthcare bills so that he can have something to sue over. His lawyer then sends him to a chiropractor for that purpose. The chiropractor creates bills for the treatment provided, but makes not effort at collecting them up front. He has the patient sign a lien, stating that the patient will pay the bill after the lawsuit has been resolved. The lawyer then submits those bills and negotiates settlement with the insurance company who insures the person who caused the collision, and they arrive at a settlement figure. The lawyer then has to divide that settlement money so that his client, the lawyer himself, and the chiropractor can all get paid reasonably. That is when the lawyer calls and asks the chiropractor for a reduction in fees.
The truth is that the chiropractor is in the game (giving referrals to the lawyer and the lawyer giving referrals to the chiropractor) and fully expects there will be later negotiations over fees once settlement is reached. In fact, the chiropractor will inflate his fees in anticipation of the later reduction.
If, as you say, the chiropractors are unhappy with the lawyers haggling them down on fees, why don't they just refuse the reduction and sue their patients? They don't refuse because they're in bed with the lawyers and they have no other way of making money than by working off liens and waiting on settlements.
Meh, it is all in the approach to Chiropractic medicine. Simply put, when the weekend warrior who is 47 yrs old and decided it would be fun to go water skiing for the first time since he was 17, is sitting in my lobby, singing the praises of the ice pack I just applied while he waits for the Doc (DC) is an illusion?
Quoting Hanover
1) A subluxation of a vertebrae is not the same as example 1
2) After all these years of depositions and trials that you claim to have settled, tell me how many times a Chiropractor has spoken of "cracking" a patients back. If you can use the words subluxation then you can use the word manipulation or adjustment appropriately.
Quoting Hanover
Tell me then why health insurance companies cover Chiropractic Care under their Medical Insurance? Medicare (the nay or yay sayer of sad standards) covers Chiropractic care, why?
Quoting Hanover
I have been asking you the same question for over a decade but you have yet to hear me.
WHY would you NOT believe that Chiropractic care is of the skeletal frame and a "rub" (even massage therapists would thwap you for using such terms) is performed by a licensed Massage therapists. Chiropractors can give adjustments AND rub the muscles but a Massage therapist while able to rub your muscles cannot give you a Chiropractic adjustment.
Quoting Hanover
And this my friends is a brief look into the making of the sausage called Law.
Quoting Hanover
I didn't say the Doctors themselves don't appreciate the give and take of a good law firm, that would be silly of them and you.
However, I was not the person going out to lunch, enjoying a cold one as we bullshit about our family and our golf games (kinda Lorreta Lynch style) joking when the tab comes as to who wants to pay for it because it is just going to be written off anyway...
No. I was the office manager. I was the one that had to explain to our personal injury patients why it is that, even though it is true that we would be willing to withhold collections on their bill during treatment, it was based also on the truth that I was going to have to file a "County Lien" until their bill was paid.
Ummm… learning curve....first, make sure you have a written acknowledgement that they understand what I have explained in what filing a "County Lien" entails. That until their bill is satisfied with our office, anyone who looked up their name and SS# would see a lien on them. OMG one of my first patients sued us for placing a lien, without her permission, and she was applying for a mortgage.
Second) keep really GOOD track of when liens are applied and RELEASED.
Third) the Doc would reduce our bills way lower than I would have ever offered but I was not the owner of the practice nor was I in the networking position.
I was however the person appointed to explain to an existing patient, who has regular Health Ins, that now that they were in a car accident, we had to start a new file and here is this lien thing and needing to research the Health Insurance's policy on subjugation.
I get it, I did it, I am not bitching I am just saying that despite the hoops and Lion Mouths, it is an American circus that requires everyone to play their part.
That doesn't mean that your client needs any less representation nor does that negate the effects on a person after they have been treated by a Chiropractor.
I am not suggesting that a person cannot heal on their own. What I am suggesting is that a person will heal quicker, with less residuals (the reason we do Ultrasound and Muscle stim) with Chiropractic care than they will with no Chiropractic care at all.
Nor am I suggesting that your average patient cannot settle a personal injury case without legal representation. But I can tell you that if you are represented, your final take will be higher.
An ice pack probably makes the muscles feel better. Maybe it reduces swelling, I don't know. You don't need a degree to buy a bag of ice. Do you charge more than $2 for a five gallon bag of ice. That's what I get mine for right before I pour it over my Budweiser. Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
A subluxation is exactly as I described it. A back cracking is exactly what it is, as they pop the joints in the back and release some gas buildup. It does nothing of value and is no different than cracking your knuckles.Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Supply and demand. The chiros have convinced the public of their value, so the public has asked to include it in the insurance benefits, and I guess some are naïve enough to agree to pay an increased premium to receive that benefit.Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
You've ignored what I said. There is no evidence of skeletal change after a chiropractic manipulation. Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
I'm suggesting that they're receiving a glorified massage under the guise of it being medical care so that they can charge increased fees and this great big machinery of car accident bodily injury lawsuits can keep churning.
And I'm not suggesting you've done anything wrong. You were earning an honest paycheck. I'm really not suggesting otherwise. I think the patients are often the biggest pawns, and I think most chiropractors believe in their mission.
As a neutral, I looked this up on the internet and the information I've seen backs up Hanover's view. There's no evidence I can find for any therapeutic effects beyond massage and it can be dangerous. Can you quote any scientific studies to show that chiropractic does what it claims to do?
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chiropractic
That about sums up what I've discovered.
Nah, trust me I have had this same debate with @Hanover for years now, it had just been a while since we went a few rounds. :razz:
@Hanover
Have you ever been treated by a Chiropractor? Or are you shooting from the hip? :brow:
Have you ever been treated by a witch doctor?
Which witch Doctor?
"In 1992, researchers at the Stanford Stroke Center asked 486 California members of the American Academy of Neurology how many patients they had seen during the previous two years who had suffered a stroke within 24 hours of neck manipulation by a chiropractor. The survey was sponsored by the American Heart Association. One hundred seventy-seven neurologists reported treating 55 such patients, all of whom were between the ages of 21 and 60. One patient had died, and 48 were left with permanent neurologic deficits such as slurred speech, inability to arrange words properly, and vertigo. The usual cause of the strokes was thought to be tearing of the vertebral artery wall. "
Paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7783892?dopt=Abstract
At this point my call is potentially dangerous quackery.
Assuming we can sort through all that, we don't get a clear n value. How many total chiropractic patients did the 486 members treat over their careers and what % does the 55 represent of that total?
177 responded to the survey. Among those 177, 55 strokes (and other complications) were reported to immediately follow chiropractic treatment over a two year period preceding the survey. I can't get access to the full paper. Yet. On mobile. Will try to get more details later.
You need to link me directly to the study too (or at least the abstract) though, Tiff. That link just takes me to an alt-med promo site.
Edit: Nvm. Found it.
Here's the actual conclusion from the abstract:
"There is no robust data concerning the incidence or prevalence of adverse reactions after chiropractic. Further investigations are urgently needed to assess definite conclusions regarding this issue."
So, no definitive conclusion one way or the other. Not as painted in the misleading quote from the alt-med site.
(The incidence of stroke does look pretty low though when measured per manipulation.)
This world wide study suggests that maybe one in 3 million patients has a stroke related to a Chiropractic treatment. How Risky is Cervical Manipulation?
It could be that it's quite a low risk. It may be lower than I thought*. But if there is no added benefit compared to muscle massage why would anyone not choose that? What I can't find is any justification for the bone manipulation working or having a scientific basis. Have you got something on that?
(*But again you give no links to papers only to a chiro promo site. Not even at the bottom of the page this time. I need to be able to see the actual papers not just the interpretation of an obviously biased party.)
I'm Piglet now.
Witch doctors are way better than chiropractors on average.
The nick checks out...
What do you mean by "dp"?
What I really think is that chiropractic is reasonably safe, largely because human spines have evolved to be very resilient to manipulation. It's part of the reason why I said the manipulations don't do anything anyway. Before and after x-rays don't show any change. If they did, that would be evidence of damage, not healing.
Because of liability risks, though, close to 70% of the chiropractors have quit doing the traditional adjustment where they lean on your back and pop it with their hands. They now use the Bullshit 3000, which is a spring loaded activator device that thumps the back at a pretty low force and the chiropractors claim it does the trick just as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activator_technique
I'd agree it does do the trick just as well, which is just to say neither do shit.
It's just a picture of Piglet from Winnie the Pooh. I used to think I was an Eeyore; but, Piglet seems closer to home.
I've been called whimsical in the past, haha.
Please don't send me PMs about sharing some strange YouTube video with my "loved ones" and that I owe you nothing but that means a lot to you... ???
Sorry, I don't think I can post in the Shoutbox anymore. Just too many snakes in the grass.
Me too.
Sounds like mostly placebo territory then.
Darn, would have been fun. Only subscribers can upload pics directly, but you can post links to others' images or upload your own images on a site like imgur.com and link.
In April, we traveled up to our son's final exam at his University which was presented on the Planetarium dome, a REALLY big deal for us and our son. I got violently ill from some Greek Bow Tie Pasta Salad that I purchased at the same market I have for the last 14 yrs and consumed that morning. Delaying our arrival past the time of our son's presentation and made me ill for 24 hours.
Since then I have been in an argument with the "Claims adjuster" with Sedgwick Claims Management services who said it couldn't be the stores fault, it must be the 'Supplier" of the premade salad. My position is that when the food was delivered to the store: the grocery store then takes over the chain of custody over the product. If it stayed on the back receiving docks too long, if the food rotation in the deli was off, if the employee was sick, I really don't care but DO EXPECT that Albertson's has a DEGREE of liability, responsibility and loyalty to the customer that has been adversely affected by Albertson's food.
In a million years, I would never have guessed the name of the supplier that is DENYING the stores claim that it was delivered spoiled, the name of the supplier is "Hanover".
Personally? From the very beginning (before I even knew it was Hanover they were throwing under the food poising bus) I expressed to the store that they can search their supplier if they wanted but as far as I was concerned, Albertson's Grocery was ultimately responsible. Albertson's received the food, set the food out for sale, kept it in a refrigerated case, sold it to me, to the store I pay the money to and the taxes as well.
Hanover, how far do your powers reach? :worry:
I read that really quickly but I get that Hanover tried to poison you for disagreeing with him over chiropractic. I'm pretty sure there's something in the guidelines against that, and if there's not I'll write it in. :up:
Baden, you are my hero! :starstruck:
:halo:
Please accept as generous settlement the following coupon, redeemable nationwide, for your difficult and painful gastrointestinal upset. I wish you and your family the absolute best, and please accept this settlement letter as also a formal criminal trespass warning, advising you to remain off Albertson's property for a period not less than ten years.
I love a conspiracy theory. If it’s one I made up myself... so much the better. The truth is out there.
Don’t ask me where.
Being responsible for "Frozen" is a bannable offense as far as I'm concerned. Keep digging.
:grin:
:rage: HOW IS THIS NOT CONSIDERED MONEY LAUNDERING???? :scream:
:gasp: "The effort was unsuccessful because American banks — themselves afraid of running afoul of U.S. sanctions — declined to participate. The Obama administration approached two U.S. banks to facilitate the conversion, the report said, but both refused, citing the reputational risk of doing business with or for Iran."
They should have asked Wells Fargo to launder their money. As a proud account holder at Wells Fargo, I have been involved in 3 class action law suits and the winner of a predatory lenders interest rate because they filed me as a Latina applying for a mortgage and not a Caucasian. Yep, Wells would have done it.
If I may make ONE observation, as a Fox viewer, the morning show tallied how much time was devoted to this topic on NBC, CBS and ABC and the total amount of time was 0.00. Is Fox ahead of the game? The one network that shows what happened in the Obama Iran deal and what was really involved?
The above $5.7 billion dollars is not included in the $400 million dollars that the USA delivered in an unmarked plane in the middle of the night.
And this week we get news “Iran says it's increasing its nuclear enrichment capacity. It’s seen as a warning to the western nations still in the nuclear deal of what could happen if it fails or falls completely apart,” announced anchor Bret Baier at the start of the segment."
And again how much time was spent on this topic on Tuesday's Evening news on NBC, CBS, and NBC?
The combined time total was 0.00. Why is Fox the only one reporting these facts?
Hanover, as I have explained to your less than congenial claims adjuster, I became ill and was vomiting violently in a competitors store bathroom but the dashes to the bathroom did not start until I got home. I apologized profusely to the staff that had to clean up what happened and frankly I think YOU owe them an apology but that is on your moral consciousness.
As far as your offer of coupons, as a "Goodwill gesture" for customers who have contracted food poisoning from your products? Ain't going to cut it, we are Denny's loyal.
Now, what do you think is a fair compensation for missing this milestone event in my precious child's life because of your product?
Before offering you compensation, I need some documentation of medical treatment. Please tell me that you at least saw a chiropractor for your nausea.
:rofl: Tagged!
@Baden We really need that emoji of spitting out your coffee on your screen!
I don't get it. If it's sanctioned by the U.S. Government, how is that a problem? Is it the fact that people didn't know about it? Why shouldn't Iran be able to use the money that is legally theirs?
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
The 400 billion was included in the agreement semi/sort of approved by the US Senate. Why does it make a difference how it was delivered?
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Iran's action seems perfectly reasonable to me. We reneged on the deal. How can we complain that they're going forward in what they see as their own best interests?
Yep, been taking melatonin at least 4 times a week for over 15 years. When I first tried it i was suffering from delayed phase sleep insomnia and was at wits end. Later when I worked the night shift, it saved me again. It helped me sleep during the day. Technically, it is a synthetic brain hormone, which is an odd thing to buy OTC. I have only good things to say about it. But anyone interested should research it thoroughly before trying. You only feel as good as your last night’s sleep, and no one knows that more than an insomniac.
I'll get you one if you. Stop. Watching. Fox. News. ;)
I don't toke tho. :halo:
Yeah I'm still having a hard time moving on from that abode.
@Agustino do you have any ideas on how to get Paul to revive that place since he's the only one who probably has backups of the forum on hand.
Or is there a legal issue with that?
It isn't.
Quoting Akanthinos
There was an option to download all your posts as a .txt file, so there wouldn't be a need for this. Besides, when it was up discussions were inaccessible so scraping wouldn't be possible anyway.
You can download a copy of the software.
You'd have a better chance of refloating the Titanic, Posty. Besides, apart from fairly superficial differences in appearance and functionality, an online community is nothing more than its members and how they behave. And in those terms, there's no major difference in how things were there and how things are here in my view. Storms come and go. As long as we don't hit an iceberg, all's well.
"He's irreverent, honest, curious, never condescending, never obsequious," the judges said. "People open up to him and, in doing so, often reveal more about their hometowns or homelands than a traditional reporter could hope to document."
My heart is breaking for Anthony, his family and his crew. I wish there was something more we could have done... :broken:
What happens to a person when your idol commits suicide? What words can I put in my sons head that will keep my voice coming into his head if he ever considered suicide?
I remember losing Robin Williams after idolizing him for many, many years and having the commonality of Alzheimer's and early onset Alzheimer's running rampant in my immediate family, it really gave me things to think about.
What I would do if I received the news that Robin received? Would I want to leave on my own terms, at the time of my choosing instead of living out the life that would be equally hard on my loved ones, as the slow progression of Alz taking my mind anyway?
All these questions are running through my mind and I feel myself fairly taught about suicide prevention. When I was a teenager, I went to volunteer for Teen Lifeline and at that time our job was to answer calls from teens, talk and try to figure out what the level of their concern was and if it was elevated to the point of thinking about suicide, we were joined by a senior volunteer to take it to the level we needed to. From a simple thought about suicide to the plan of how they are going to do it, determined if it was just a thought or if we needed to have a welfare check made by authorities.
I say this because I have the words, I know what to say but there is no way to stop someone that is set on taking their life. Despite our best efforts people might never talk about their thoughts and it is that silence that scares me.
If you or someone you know may be considering suicide, please remember,
help is right here: Nat’l Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 800-273-8255
Well, the chain of events culminating in making such a choice are often hidden from plain sight in many cases. It's only after the fact that we can pause and analyze what culminated in that decision, unfortunately.
We love you too. This is a good place.
Long live the highness. :up:
Less than 5 weeks away from legalisation!
Is that even legal? If not, I'm gonna set up Uber derived idea of delivering groceries and alcohol to people. Just gotta make an app for a smartphone, and find some minions. Who's in?
I've been searching all over the Catholic Internet for the answer to whether "admission of guilt under the influence" counts as a sincere confession, and if it does, what adjustments should be made to the acts of contrition which the priest must assign.
On the other hand, you spoke truth in saying that we guys are cool and are much loved the world over for our sagacity. Your were, of course, totally sober when you thought that. I should think 3 Hail Marys and sharing your stash with the priest would probably result in remission of your sins.
Of course it's legal -- how do you think terminal alcoholics get their cases of booze? Look for 1 hour delivery in your zip code. When you need a drink, you can't be waiting 24 to 48 hours for FedEx.
Don't liquor stores deliver in Atlanta?
I want some o' dat. :cool: :up:
Hey, Piglet. I'm still whoever I said I was awhile ago (edit: I'm the proboscus-billed meadowlark of course, SMH). I have a few demons to exorcise, so I won't be around much, but I randomly logged in and saw your salvo. Salvo returned, Piglet.
Neat
Beginner. :lol:
I'm not sure if I understand. This seems like a mean-spirited response to a heart-felt post. Was that your intention?
No, though I suppose you could read it as such. Such an emotional response to getting high struck me as funny. I tend to not have that.
Well, it seems your hippy drugs wore off. Good. I like you better that way. :rofl:
A horsewoman and a pilot, very impressive. Reminds me of Sky King's niece Penny.
Yay!
Wisconscin alone produces more dairy than Canada as a whole, and he bitches because we prefer not to have a bare-necessity good's price dictated by the U.S. market's tendency to overproduce...
"Cyberpunk is not becoming marketable because it offers a solution for society. The message is clear that, in face of inexorable rot, the individual loses his sanity or loses his soul. What the genre does offer is a third choice: to view breakneck dehumanization as a roller coaster ride. There is grim exhilaration in accepting that the awesome decline cannot be stopped. A future that was once dark and hopeless is now dark and beautiful when one dives headlong into it. Ugliness becomes thrilling and alienation becomes adventure. The homogeneous, numbing light of Brave New World’s dystopia is replaced by the dreamy atmosphere of neon-lit alleyways. Sisyphus can’t change his fate, but he can refuse to nod and clap, blank-eyed, at the world’s loss of meaning."
https://jacobitemag.com/2018/06/02/a-separate-grim-future/
"A good rule of thumb for hard-right, Nazi or Nazi-adjacent groups is that one-third of their members are petty criminals, one-third are gay, and one-third are informants."
https://jacobitemag.com/2018/02/16/how-to-destroy-the-alt-right/
So, Donny got angry at Justin coz Justin said Donny couldn't push him around, so Donny ripped up the paper that said he and Justin were friends and now everyone is going to go knock their heads against a wall until they all fall down. :up: :fire:
I was also thinking about new names for the forum:
Yes, become Eeyore.
I'm leaning toward "HarryPNess" or "HughGRection" right now.
As long as it's not 'knee-grow', I'm fine with those.
Agreed.
Read that as Teat Leak, since I suffer from Freudian Dyslexia. One can imagine (but maybe shouldn’t) what popped into mind when reading this recent headline: Lebron Played Series With Self-Injured Hand.
This will be my new picture:
That's how I talk. Only when I'm talking about sheep though. :D
I didn't know that "bumpkin" was the demonym for people from Georgia.
I don't think we could expect anything better coming out from this weekend. A bit of absurd theatre, status quo on the trade war, and almost no violence to speak of.
I was actually afraid for a moment that Justin would cave-in on dairy or the missile shield. I'm happy he didn't. I just might vote Liberal at the federal election for the first time, if the NPD doesn't get its crap together by then.
...
God I just wrote that didn't I.
:worry:
-http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-trudeau-twitter-trade-1.4700485
:vomit: :vomit: :vomit:
All this backstabbing rhetoric is such a transparent appeal to Trump's nationalistic base, and is so based on thin air, I'm ready to presume the Donald dictated these talking points directly to his simian minions before sending them flying out to the networks.
The guy who actually wrote that should probably fill Trump in. Maybe literally.
zZzZz, trying to sleep but brain is being obstinate and stubborn.
:angry:
Ah, yes. The Simpsons. Who needs the Bible, Shakespeare, Aristotle, or the Buddha when we can reference Charles Montgomery Burns.
If Trump were a Shakespearean character, which one would he be?
Trump seems to me like a combo of C.M. Burns and Mayor Diamond Joe Quimby, to cast him in Simpsons’ terms. Also, he and his family have a “Game Of Thrones” vibe about them that may possibly have worked to his benefit in the election. Most people I’ve talked to say the USA “needs a strong leader”. Guess Obama was too sensitive and touchy-feely. But most of these kind of things are superficial image stuff, with negligible effect on policy. :chin:
It might be tempting to pick someone from a comedy, but I don't think that's right. He definitely has the hubris needed for a tragedy down pat. Given his propensity for getting rid of those who support him, how about Macbeth. Or maybe Richard III. Yeah, Richard.
Richard III: "Conscience is but a word that cowards use,
Devis'd at first to keep the strong in awe:
Our strong arms be our conscience, swords our law."
Sounds about right.
Obama killed softly and always with words of reason ready to be orated at your funeral, which he would gracefully attend. Trump, on the other hand, bops you on the head then farts loudly in your face while dribbling bits of semi-chewed cheeseburger over your prone and maimed body. I'm honestly not sure which is worse.
And you'll need those wooden pilot's safety shoes.
If you buy the domain forums.philosophyforums.com, then Paul will do it for free for you :)
Weird, I didn't know about that function until you mentioned it. Why aren't you following me Agu??? :cry:
Just realized I banned a significant number of my followers. :cry:
A snap at $50,000. :chin:
Apparently. I'd guess hardly anyone takes any notice of the option though and I'm not even sure what it does.
It's under connections when you go to your profile.
OK, so your follow rate is 0.08%. Congrats! :party:
Let's just call this function the appendix of the forum. Except your appendix is probably more useful.
I don't know what to even say.
He also follows me LOL
I feel a conspiracy oncoming. I'm out.
lol
Yeah.
*reality-checks ensue*
Ah, cool! Not sure I'll ever make it out there though lol.
Check again.
:ok:
I hope the fact that you have an actual airplane is some consolation with regard to your paucity of philosophical fan base. If you would like to arrange a swap, I would be happy to transfer my followers to you in exchange for said flying vehicle. I'll throw in Hanover who's not a follower of mine but is uselessly lying around here somewhere...
Something which seems not to be within admin power is to see who's following who. This network of interconnections beyond the perimeter of Big Brother's vision is all vaguely subversive to be frank. Enjoy it while you can.
Huh! The way women are supposed to enjoy wolf-whistles and cat-calls? And the administration throws up its hands helplessly while facilitating these peoples' ogling of this very response, and any other I might make. Must I philosophise entirely by pm?
*damn how do you do the "reveal" thing again?
Did I mention how dry it is ?
How dry is it Tiff?
Dryer than the moisture of a sheet of lined paper.
We are really close to smelling fire on the heat of the air. The desert is the most bizarre place because creatures come alive when it Monsoons. Not just the regular creatures like my dogs or myself but there are these little frogs that spring out of the dry earth and they sound like goat's saying Maaaa.
They sound so real that in the 2015 Monsoon a major landscaping nursery got washed away up stream from our ranch that has a seasonal creek running through it.
But I told NicK it sounded like goats in the creek and they were drowning. He came out, listened and said he could hear them but couldn't see them.
So I called the local firehouse that was responding to fast water rescues, knowing that they would rather take care of it, than Joe Public trying to save them and becoming another person they would have to rescue. I am on with the dispatcher when a guy on a Quad rolled up to me and heard the same thing and came out to see if he could help save these drowning goats.
I am trying to tell her my location and NicK comes back and says "Cancel the call." ??
He said we aren't hearing drowning goats and I said but this guy hears them too, while the lady on the phone is like "Hello?" I am like explain.
He said he walked out into the creek which is flowing a good half football field across at it's widest and found the sound maker and it is frogs.
Little flipping frogs that come alive with water.
Needless to say I cancelled the call.
Moral of this story? Despite what you ears may hear, not "everything is goat".
Two of my children manage farms, so whatever weather magic I can round up, I give to them. Sorry.
:cry:
I was actually. But I had been in contact with him through an old email address of mine that I can't access now. So, I let it slide forgetting that as an admin I've still got access to an email address for him, the one he used to sign up with. I'll try dropping him a quick line through that now.
Message sent. If he's still at that address and responds will let you know by PM. :up:
Don't know, Posty. He is also missed though.
Next question.
What is your background, or how is philosophy related or has impacted your life, world view, beliefs?
So, you have formal training in philosophy? Cool.
Quoting Maw
Sounds interesting. I guess your motivations for studying philosophy have been politically motivated. I'm not part of that camp of philosophy, since I have always assumed philosophy as a form of 'deprogramming' yourself from deep prejudices, assumptions, and beliefs.
Quoting Maw
Why is that if you don't mind me asking?
Quoting Maw
Strange, I have differing opinions about the goal of philosophy; but, that's interesting.
No, autodidactically
Quoting Posty McPostface
More ethically motivated than politically, but the latter is informed by the former.
Quoting Posty McPostface
Deeper engagement with theology and the irrationality of theological arguments for God
Quoting Posty McPostface
The goal of Philosophy, to my mind, boiling things down so that all that remains is "the truth". As I see it, the truth is relentlessly anti-human (i.e. absurdism, hostile, cruel, anti-anthropocentric).
Genius :wink:
"About 5,000 to 7,000 years ago the number of men having children fell dramatically—possibly by as much as 95 percent—throughout Asia, Africa and Europe, genetic research shows. Now, scientists think they might know why. .. A new study argues that conflict between warring patrilineal clans may have wiped out large swathes of the male population, including entire male lineages. Over time, these devastating clan wars likely caused a collapse of diversity in the Y chromosome, or a genetic bottleneck".
https://www.history.com/news/ancient-clan-wars-male-chromosome-collapse
It's such an embarrassment to see the platform and respect he's given even in the mainstream media considering how irredeemably unintelligent he is (as demonstrated in the vid; at one point, he literally compares someone identifying a logical fallacy in one of his arguments to someone making up their own words. While at the same time he refers to himself as...a philosopher :brow: ) Probably the most egregious example I've seen of an interview with him (from a very small sample, mind you) is when on a popular talk show (can't remember which one. I'll maybe look it up) he went all Oscar contender on how upset he was at the terrible news that black people were stupider than whites (to paraphrase). So horrible for everyone! And the interviewer was just eating it up. Almost zero pushback. Sad.
Iran. :cheer: :100:
Christ...nutter.
And his [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molyneux%27s_problem]fun problem[url].
Unfortunately, the little prick is Irish. (The inferior Molyneaux that is, of course).
(Is there a name for that thing where you make statements that presume the truth of the point you really want to argue for and dress them up as uncontroversial evaluations that suggest you're on the side of the very group that in the obscured argument you are actually attacking?)
Okay it was spitting :sad:
Never mind, it was a bird. :down:
A bird like @Tclark :chin:
Why can't the @Tclark ever find the feathered weather wrangler? :brow:
Around these parts, if you don't hear a good, genuine 'fuck you', long enough for you to notice? Something is definitely up :angry:
Or B) that part of history that you know would be better left untouched but occasionally comes knocking and you know not to answer.
[sup]Source: Kim Jong Un’s Brutal Regime in North Korea Is Worse Than Nazi Concentration Camps, Human Rights Leader Says (Cristina Silva, Newsweek, Dec 2017)[/sup]
[quote=Donald Trump]Really, he’s got a great personality. He’s a funny guy, he’s very smart, he’s a great negotiator. He loves his people, not that I’m surprised by that, but he loves his people.[/quote]
[sup]Source: Trump to VOA: 'We're Going to Denuke North Korea' (Greta Van Susteren, VOA, Jun 2018)[/sup]
[quote=Donald Trump]I do trust him, yeah.[/quote]
[sup]Source: President Trump sits down with George Stephanopoulos: TRANSCRIPT (ABC News, Jun 2018)[/sup]
What's going on here...? :o
And one of the aspects of him that makes him approachable. Trump is MY Dad in every way shape and well Trump doesn't have Parkinsons like my Dad, but all that changes is the speed in which they can roll bs off the tongue, leaving you feeling better for having interacted in him.
A tool I have adapted for my own tool box to approach life with.
Well I wouldn't touch him with a thirty nine and a half foot pole.
Thanks. I'll try.
[Hide] Don't pay Hanover any attention. He can get a little jealous when I try to compliment a lady like you [/hide] :heart:
How are you giant sea turtle, asks' piglet.
What's the propoganda, doc! :smile:
Yo!! There's no propaganda, doc! Welcome to the (sort of) real!!
You're welcome.
So what’s going down, brother? :cool:
Really? I'd touch him with a 2-by-4. Repeatedly.
Geez. Now you can't come to the US. The NSA will already have you on their list.
"Oi." Does that mean your an Australian? We've had some trouble with rambunctious Aussies in the past. We actually had to develop a new Logical Fallacy to cover them. It's called the TimeLine Fallacy. It applies when you end every post with "Well, that's how we do things in Australia." It's named after one our most rambunctious members who's no longer with us.
Welcome to the forum. Ignore everything I said above. Pick a discussion and start posting. No lurking necessary.
OK, well I changed your name for you. If you change your mind, let us know.
OK, I guess you didn't read what I wrote then. Not to worry.
:up:
You can be "I'm always here (for you)" :hearts: :D
Why did I hear that in a Whitney Houston voice? :joke:
Because I've been smoking a lot of crack lately... ??
Isn't it a burden being the grammar warrior you are with a bunch of people like me?
:rofl:
It's more of a philosophical point I would have thought. Are we here or just 'here'?
My Indian will be in your neighborhood next month!
Oh, really? I'll PM you my details in case he has an emergency with a ladyboy, or something... Although @Michael probably has more experience on that front than me.
Can you change my name to "I'm on the bus right now, I'll respond later when I'm drunk"? Thanks
:lol:
Ah, was that an edit? OK, saved from ladyboy duty anyhow...
I treasure any loving, forum member in countries other than the USA, especially when they know how to tell my loved one's a way to get out of a sticky situation.
That's the best I do with apologies, especially when I'm still irritable.
Would chocolate help? :flower:
Looks like the old Hanover's coming back.
Me too. Just turned 30. Ugh.
Only 30 and you are already a Mod on TPF?!?!
... the fuck have I done with my life? :sad:
Are you mocking my life goals?
I thought this was a shame-free environment. :worry:
Yes. I’m irritable, just like @Hanover.
Aw, I fixed it for ya.
*Continues wallowing*
Cambodia.
But then again, I have terrible life goals.
Nope, but I would go in a second, and there's barely a place in the US that could tempt me with a visit.
I've visited Europe a couple of times and I loved it. The Netherlands, France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany. I love trying to make myself understood in my 50 year old crappy high school French and 45 year old crappy college German. Both times I've gone with my brother, who worked in France for 3 years and is fluent and very familiar with Europe.
Love the Netherlands. Neat people. So much everyday, nonchalant engineering everywhere. A beautiful man-made country. Love France. Such wonderful food. Such wonderful towns and cities. Love Germany. Every meal comes with potatoes. German is such a neat language.
On the other hand, I also love the US. Visiting the South with such different culture. Terrible food if you don't love barbecue. The landscape of the US is amazing. So much variety. The geology. A little bit of everything. If you don't want to visit the US, that's fine, but that says something about you, not the country. Not necessarily something bad, but something.
If all else fails flip a coin.
Then it's terrible food.
Quoting T Clark
I'll contend that every country has an equal amount of landscape, relatively to its size.
:chin:
I mean, if landscapes were my thing, yes, at some point I'd visit more extensively the USA, but before, I'd have gone to Thailand, the Philippines, China, Iceland, Ireland, France, just about every country in Africa... And I would have much more extensively traveled Canada, which I'm sure is just as rich in landscapes as the USA. You might want to put tariffs on those. :razz:
Come to Virginia. America is the best place on the planet despite liberal griping. Everyone who comes never leaves. You can get a good job, a real house, real car, and everything is affordable. There are different parts of Virginia. I'd stay away from the DC area.
Not sure how immigration works and not sure how your gf works into all this.
Cambodia is exotic, probably educational, cheap, and all sorts of things that make it advantageous to live in a third world impoverished nation. There are also some negatives associated with living in that sort of situation long term, namely that it's poor as shit. Good food over there I hear.
Yeah, that’s over.
Except the healthcare. :wink:
That won't be a problem for you. Get a job with a company of even moderate size and they'll provide healthcare as a benefit. You're also still a citizen of the UK, so you can fly back and wait in line for your treatment over there if that's what you want to do. Quoting Michael
Here's what awaits you in Virginia. This is how they all look. All.
I've been to Cambodia, Phnom Penh and Siem Reap. Much prefer Thailand though to be honest. America is good too if you can stand all the crazy people screaming from sides of hills about how great their country is and trying to stick their flags up you arse. Except the liberals who hate everything and everyone including themselves. And who are therefore much saner. Not that I spent time with either as I spent most of my vacation in the Hollywood sewer system where the headquarters of the American communist party is located. Chomsky paid us a visit once.
Chomsky.
Chomsky.
Yes, so Thailand if you're broke. America if you're rich. Cambodia if you're desperate.
Pattaya is the most utterly crap place in the country. Full of Russian mafia and sex tourists. I don't even really consider it Thailand tbh.
Our wealthy immigrants.
God bless America. Really. I mean really. Look at the picture and try to disagree with me.
I get it. You want @Michael to come and pick peaches for you all day in the sweltering heat and then pay him in banjos and grits. He has (slightly) more self-respect than that I think.
Yeah, that’s why I ended up leaving. Just wasn’t my kind of place. The relaxing atmosphere of Siem Reap was more for me.
Siem Reap I did like. Much more than Phnom Penh. There are lots of places like that in Thailand. And much more variety. Hua Hin for beaches, and Kanchanaburi for national parks, forests and rivers come to mind. I recommend you try it anyway at some point. I guarantee you, you won't regret it.
We also have dental care over here. I forgot to mention that.
It’s cool, I have this really clever portable dental care system. I call it toothpaste, toothbrush, and floss.
What? What is this? The person who is known the world over as "Awesome!" is considering blessing the USA with his presence? :starstruck:
Really?? :love:
What can we do to move the needle towards moving to America?
btw @Hanover
Take those drapes off of that lady and maybe she will be attractive to Yaha!
Do you keep the ones in your pocket clean too?
It's one of my favourite books. I'm getting the "Like a dog!... " sentence tattoed on the arm in a few weeks!
I read it right after The Myth of Sisyphus, which I think is definitely the way to go.
No. Atlanta suburbs. It's like being in a dark complicated novel, only with strip malls, good public schools, and high voter turnout.
I'm getting "Unemployable" tattoed on my neck. It's a linguistic performative tattoo utterance. I just made up that joke and I declare it clever.
Hey, @Baden, I summon you to laugh at my joke.
What TimeLine would have called a Hanoverism.
*whispers*
I have fans...
I thought he finished 'The Trial', and it was 'The Castle" that was unfinished or maybe both were. The Trial definitely had a proper ending anyway. I read it and did enjoy it although' enjoy' might not be the most appropriate word. It did something more subtle for me that's hard to explain.
Quoting Hanover
So, suddenly your Donald Trump tattoo makes sense. Nice.
Who wins in a cage match to the death, Kafka or Camus, and how does it go down?
I think I read "TheTrial." I'm pretty sure I did, but I don't know, so we both don't know something about that book.
I'm going to write a book about a guy who keeps reading the same book over and over looking for the meaning of life, not realizing he read it already until he gets to like page 100.
See what I did there. Clever.
I actually have the US Constitution tattooed on my junk, that but for lesbian cinema, it could not be fully read.
That's a classical Hanoverism, reminiscent of his earlier works, prior to his evolved sophistication, but still during that odd period when he spoke in the third person.
Cool. I have it printed on my toilet paper.
That's a classic Badenism, reminiscent of his later works, post his evolved sophistication, but still during that not-so-odd period of his anti-American Marxist activism.
I already have "I would rather not" (no Zizek connection) on the other arm, so most litterate employers should already know to never employ me.
Also, Camus. All the sex must have produced some wrestling muscles at some point. Not that Kafka was a forever incel, but I mean, comparatively...
Thats my favourite Baden. Honestly couldnt stand him during his transcendantal idealism phase.
Not to worry. The drugs @Posty McPostface gave me have effaced that hideous Kant from my memory.
OOoo Thank you!
Here----->>> you can take an extra 30* too! :fire:
87* and raining here on the Surface of the Sun! :party: :100: :cheer:
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no you didn't just say that! :gasp:
Please don't read the other things I said. I only said them in lieu of the aristocrat jokes everyone apparently hates. :halo:
I get the distinct feeling you aren't too fond of our dear leader :scream:
Put it this way, I'm not quite ready to sit up for him like the North Koreans do for Kim and which he expects you Americans to do. Like you're his puppies or what?
I have no idea what you mean! Bow chica bow wow! Who let the dogs out? Whooo? Whooo?
Cute. Is it yours?
We're getting up to 89 with 95% humidity without rain, which might have you beat. My misery index beats yours.
Nah, but it is a neighbors' whose owner is clueless about his sunrise barking tendencies.
No adoption fee necessary.
Not really. We've got a Korean cook.
Waste not, want not!
This is true! AND my Mother In Law is living out of state! :halo:
We?
Me and @Bitter Crank in our little love nest.
On a similar note, I've given my daughter "Heart of Darkness" four times as a gift. She never tells me because she says it's "endearing."
Not sure how to cook Jewish dancer. Got a recipe?
How do you know what she's talking about?
Good job Hanover!
Where I live there's a really large Korean population. We've got Korean bbqs everywhere. My favorite is charred Baden dog.
This stopped being funny even before you started it.
Oh buuuurrrrnnn!
Quoting Hanover
Oooohhhhh nnnooooo!
Quoting Hanover
Your mid life crisis isn't going too well, is it, Hanny?
Yes, I remember now some was missing. K is not very sympathetic, I agree, but the book for me works on a different level. Like, I find some books very entertaining but then I feel drained after reading them. Where this was more the opposite. It wasn't very entertaining as I read it but somehow I felt sustained afterwards.
Thats part of the magic of the book, in my opinion.
We dont know the crime Mr K has committed. We certainly cant rightfully think that the punishment, or hell, that the judgement could be legitimate. But I cant shake the feeling that he is still irremediably "guilty", even if we dont know the crime, and everything about how K act shouts this guilt.
I don't personally need sex to be the sausage in the buns of my silly jokes. Others may do as they will...
Cool, glad your not a bourgeois.
Me too. I think Hanover called me an elite the other day, but he had a headache, and so he was probably even more impaired than usual.
You're right. He really should fly out here and grovel in person, dammit.
This is how they used to be done:
http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/apology.html
A classic indeed. Hopefully Hanover will be as graceful and erudite before he drinks the hemlock I have prepared for him.
Good night, Thrasymachus.
I'm feeling energetic. I'm going to write a short story and post it. I suspect it will make little sense and Baden won't fare well. I was thinking I'd Google translate it into Russian and then back to English to give it that what-the-fuck non-native feel. Any pre-publication suggestions or thoughts?
It's summertime in Montreal, nice as hell, everyone is beautiful and in heat, and I'm stuck behind a screen and hooked to a phone, getting screamed at by cops and dishwasher repairmen.
:sad:
Happy Father's Day!
I like this one better:
The silicon chip inside her head
Gets switched to overload
And nobody's gonna go to school today
She's going to make them stay at home
And daddy doesn't understand it
He always said she was as good as gold
And he can see no reason
'Cause there are no reasons
What reason do you need to be sure
Oh, oh, oh tell me why
I don't like Mondays
Tell me why
I don't like Mondays
Tell me why
I don't like Mondays
I want to shoot
The whole day down
Very philosophical song - No material reason, no efficient reason, no formal reason, no final reason.
What is this, Tiff?
She's fine, just busy. And you?
I was just referencing a compliment. It was tongue in cheek towards Hanover :wink:
Are the businesses around you down about 1/3 since this time last year?
A little confused, but I'll be alright. Being busy sounds good.
I strongly disagree. I'm not faulting the moderators and I don't know what lead to this, but BuxteBuddha had some of my favorite posts. I've never read anything that supported pro-life positions in such an intelligent and humane way. Conservative political supporters who can write intelligently and thoughtfully are rare on the forum.
Telling other posters to suck your dick and then making anti-semitic jokes and doubling down on them all the while while being on a warning for trolling will get anyone banned regardless of political persuasion. I must have missed the thoughtful posts he wrote as I was too busy deleting the disgusting insults and provocations.
Yes, when @Buxtebuddha blamed victims of gun violence by placing the fault on school shootings on bulling, I was like, whoa, what an intelligent and thoughtful conservative. And then when I brought up the fact that reports show that boys aged 11-15 in developed countries such as Canada, Switzerland, France, and Ireland have reported being bullied more often than boys in America, despite the disparity in school shootings, and @Buxtebuddha responded with "reports don't always reflect reality", I was like, shit, this guy is a fucking giant of conservative intelligence and thoughtful response.
Now, Baden, you could see I was careful in my comment not to cast doubt on the moderator's decision. As I said, I didn't know why he had been banned. I stand by my statement.
You don't actually have to do something terrible to get banned. He didn't murder anyone and no-one is claiming he's a despicable human being or anything but like a lot of posters who get banned he didn't want to be reasonable and adjust his behavior to the standards that are in place for the benefit of everyone. I wish him the best but this is not the place for him.
I didn't mean to cast aspersions on your comment. It's absolutely fair to give your take. But that's mine.
So, he deserved to be banned because he disagreed with you?
I'm saying he doesn't deserve to be called "intelligent" or "thoughtful", because he was neither.
I've been called a "racist," a "bigot," and a "sexist," so I don't give much creedence to your characterization. Those kinds of accusations get thrown around a lot.
Yes, as I established, I don't give too much credence to certain characterizations either.
Quoting csalisbury
I read a lot, write a bit, drink more.
I'd grab 'im by the pussy.
Me too. Although flying out to Ibiza for a week helped.
"Ejaculate". You're welcome.
Here, have my hanky.
Quoting Sapientia
Here, have my hanky.
Panky?
Sorry, I'm allowing myself one dirty joke a day and I've reached my quota. :sad:
It might be something about Mary... :zip:
The difference is that I characterized his writing while you characterized his soul. That says more about you than him.
No, I quite clearly characterized his intelligence and integrity, and unlike you, found it wanting. No need to romanticize it.
:grin:
No. You called him an anti-Semite. That's not the same as questioning his "intelligence and integrity."
It's hard for me to say since it seems to vary widely from client to client and from industry to industry. In most cases, I would say no.
The conversation on BuxteBuddha is over, you won't comment further, you're not commenting, you've stopped commenting, you're not commenting now.
Thank you! :smile:
Hmm... I wonder how they deal with illegal immigration issues. :brow:
Yeah I get the apophasis joke I made.
Yeah, but I'm determined to make the last post in this exchange.
That's the only way I'm stopping.
Fuck it. I'm going to bed. Do whatever you want. You're at Hanover's mercy now. :fire:
By arranging to have a lot of ocean between them and everybody else. You'll note that very few refugee boats are making it from Africa to Florida. Same thing in NZ.
I know New Zealand has had real problems with immigration. They let a few Hobbits, Elves, and Orcs in and the next thing you know, they started taking over the place.
This is inscribed on the Statue of the Great Kiwi in Wellington harbor:
Keep your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Don't send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my foot beside the golden door and kick them back from whence they came.
I'll be in there shortly. Shortly is your nickname.
I really don't care about those jokes anymore. Please don't conform to my silly standards I made such a fuss about. I do owe an apology to the moderation team here for that episode including my recent outbursts to Baden and Hanover.
*takes his meds and just watches from a safe distance*
http://forums.philosophyforums.com/
Under construction?
Hmmmm interesting
My guess is that you know about it, else you wouldn't have found it.
No, I just found out about it today. No idea what's the whole thing about.
Copyright Agent
c/o http://forums.philosophyforums.com/
a/n Carly Rae
[email protected]
This is the only contact info I could find on the website. Apparently Mrs Patria is the new website's legal advisor, webmaster and admin all wrapped in one.
Yay, a woman!
Until we get confirmation, we should not assume its gender.
Agreed. My bad.
Pshh, you said Mrs yourself.
*does happy dance*
He's fashionably late. :cool:
Damn, can't argue with that. That guy is always on fleek.
He be cool. Ya man, what's good?
Legal weed in Canada has got me smiling. Shit, we have it legal in California and I haven't seen any conservatives moving to Florida, Nevada, or Texas due to it. Amen.
Free association; first thing that came to mind:
Another funny video came to mind. Some foul language ensues in the video.
LMAOO
Watch his True facts about the Tapir video. Pure joy ensues.
Night...
@Sapientia
I mean it is like snow in Minnesota in the Winter. Life goes on, people need to work, eat, sleep and all that "stuff" takes doing. It's not like Minnesota comes to a screeching halt because of some white stuff falling from the sky. :razz:
Have you gone solar?
There was a solar program offered by SoCalEdison for a free 1kW array. I tried telling my mom to jump on it; but, I think the program ran out of funds. Living in California has its benefits, haha.
My brother in law worked for Solar City in California and when that dried up he came back to AZ and sold them here. There was a 14k dollar incentive to add them to a home but we weren't ready to cover the balance. My Father In Law did take the deal and his high electrical bill is $7.00. I imagine his 12k personal investment has likely paid off by now as his electrical bill used to be like ours somewhere between $350 - $500 a month in the summer.