With some kind of concern about disclosure and acceptance of STD's? :yikes:
Btw: I would be just as suspicious if they were the ramblings of a fire fighter. :up:
I'm not a religious person but I'm at my wit's end. Last night Archie was brought to the intensive care for observation due to inexplicable problems with breathing. They're still searching for the cause which can be relatively benign (bacteria) to fucked up (epilepsy or something metabolic). I need to believe everything will be alright. Please send love, thoughts and prayers or anything else you can give.
I'm not a religious person but I'm at my wit's end. Last night Archie was brought to the intensive care for observation due to inexplicable problems with breathing. They're still searching for the cause which can be relatively benign (bacteria) to fucked up (epilepsy or something metabolic). I need to believe everything will be alright. Please send love, thoughts and prayers or anything else you can give.
My prayers are for Archie and your family, Benkei. I'm really sorry to hear this, sending my love. :fear: :heart:
I'm not a religious person but I'm at my wit's end. Last night Archie was brought to the intensive care for observation due to inexplicable problems with breathing. They're still searching for the cause which can be relatively benign (bacteria) to fucked up (epilepsy or something metabolic). I need to believe everything will be alright. Please send love, thoughts and prayers or anything else you can give.
My Dear Benkei,
I have lit a candle for Archie and I will keep it lit until Archie is in good health. My heart stops every time something happens to one of my children and I know it is multiplied exponentially when it is a newborn. Archie is a fighter and he is going to pull through this with flying colors. Until he is back in your arms at home, I wish Angel wings to protect Archie and your family, to shield you from the chaos of the world, to soften the heart ache of the unknown and most of all an accurate diagnosis. My prayers are to let your family live in the peace of knowing that Archie will be alright. Stay strong, stay soft, stay loving~
Energies are being sent,
Tiffers
unenlightenedApril 06, 2018 at 13:32#1699090 likes
Reply to Benkei We still have the yellow elephant that Santa gave our daughter when she was in hospital at 18 months with pneumonia. I've told him about Archie, and he gave me a hopeful look. At Wit's End, a hopeful look from a stuffed toy is all I can offer, but I have faith that intensive care can do better. A sick child is about the worst thing in the world.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 06, 2018 at 15:49#1699170 likes
I'm not a religious person but I'm at my wit's end. Last night Archie was brought to the intensive care for observation due to inexplicable problems with breathing. They're still searching for the cause which can be relatively benign (bacteria) to fucked up (epilepsy or something metabolic). I need to believe everything will be alright. Please send love, thoughts and prayers or anything else you can give.
Best of luck to you and your family.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 06, 2018 at 20:26#1699500 likes
Thank you everyone. So far they haven't found any cause for the seizures. Provided they continue not to find anything that is actually good news as what ultimately would be left would be benign and pass or easily treatable with fenobarbital.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 07, 2018 at 12:13#1700810 likes
Thank you everyone. So far they haven't found any cause for the seizures. Provided they continue not to find anything that is actually good news as what ultimately would be left would be benign and pass or easily treatable with fenobarbital.
That is good news in the process of elimination! I will continue to hold Archie, you and your family in my heart and prayers. I am looking forward to the news that Archie has gone home with you~ Stay strong my friend, love gently and remember we are here pulling for Archie :heart:
I hadn't realized Jordan Peterson had a theory of truth except in the negative sense that it wasn't the postmodern version. But, he does and it's an incoherent mess, apparently.
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff hasn't had an episode since this morning, hopefully thanks to the fenobarbital. Still no closer to a cause though. At the earliest that will be Monday but that would be possible bad news only so...
René DescartesApril 08, 2018 at 08:13#1703310 likes
hasn't had an episode since this morning, hopefully thanks to the fenobarbital. Still no closer to a cause though. At the earliest that will be Monday but that would be possible bad news only so...
That is awesome news Benkei the longer between the episodes the better. :up:
If I may ask, when you say an "episode" are you speaking of a 'seizure'?
Of course as a Mom and a friend, I am searching for a way, anyway, to help. I know Phenobarbital is a barbiturate only because I have taken Barbiturates for the last 25 years. I know it is used for Epilepsy seizures so I wonder if they have ruled that out for Archie or if that is what the possible bad news is for Monday.
Archie's candle is lit and will remain until he is in the clear. (I use a battery candle at night and when I am not home, for those who might think this is how my house burned down :ok: )
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 08, 2018 at 11:53#1703470 likes
Wow! So many questions! Let me first say, I have met a few Kiwi's online and a few family friends and it is a tight race between Australia and New Zealand, for the most optimistic attitude as well as shared use of the English language. I am very extroverted, so anytime I hear an accent and it's Aussie or Kiwi, I try to get closer to that person to say hello. Fun folks by nature.
My youngest son is 18, who has never been outside of the USA has decided that he would like to live in New Zealand. What were pipe dreams before are now within his reach. He is attending an Aeronautical University here in the states, Arizona specifically and in the 40 yrs the University has been in existence, no student has ever asked to study abroad to NZ but this past March, they had two students in one day ask to study in NZ. The school he attends has two campuses in the world that combined have a total of 3,500 students so two in one day was a "rush"! :up:
I always turn to my online family when I have face to face, friends and family travel to other countries, just to have a local contact in the event of an emergency, for me to understand the way the country they are in handle things, where to go, where NOT to go and the rest. My brother Mayor was a blessing to me when my children's God Mother had a HUGE medical emergency on the plane in Austria and the weeks following that she remained there, just simply by being someone who could give me a review of the hospital they took her to and I was able to pass that onto her parents in the states.
The two students are aiming for Spring of 2019 and I believe my son is looking at the Massey University on the Auckland campus as his degree is in Simulated Science which is a computer based degree sprinkled with art. He will return to the states to finish his degree and so far he is clearing NZ's immigration requirements from Character merit to educational minimum which is a Bachelor's degree which he will return with.
I am not sure what is drawing him there from here, except that he is interested in a socialist society in the sense of doing what is good for all, rather than the Capitalistic (Cannabilistic) society that he was raised in. One of my Kiwi friends from years ago asked me if I was familiar with the idea of 'Mowing down the tallest Poppy' and I was not and he explained. Is this really the way NZ operates?
I rewatch "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy" and "Smiley's People" every few years and am amazed at how good they are. I talked about TTSS last week. I just finished Smiley's People. I was surprised. I'd forgotten, or never noticed, how much better SP was. Alec Guiness was unforgettable in both, but much more human, stronger, in Smiley's People. I'm always sad when I finish watching. I don't know anything else that will give me that feeling.
Discovery consists of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought. (Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, 1893-1986)
This accurate?
unenlightenedApril 09, 2018 at 13:13#1706740 likes
Here's something that some people may not have seen that someone has thought, and I discovered. You might like, or you might not, but I think it's worth a look.
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff Nothing on the MRI. That leaves metabolic diseases or genetics. On the surface those last two aren't likely but needs to be checked all the same.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 09, 2018 at 14:30#1706920 likes
Here's something that some people may not have seen that someone has thought, and I discovered. You might like, or you might not, but I think it's worth a look.
OK, it is practice time for the end of the world.
Step 1 Remove all clothing, just as when we arrived we must leave the world with nothing.
Step 2 Meditate on how you have lived your live, clear your mind of all of the bad things that have happened.
Step 3 Have a good bath, a clean body and a clean mind are essential to acceptance of your fate.
Step 4 Stand in the middle of the room with those you love or their images surrounding you, It is good to know that you will not be alone at this dark hour.
Step 5 Bow low from the waist and place your head between you legs, then kiss your ass good bye. :cool:
Reply to Thorongil It's a bad habit, I see a discounted book offered by a third party for dirt cheap, and I buy it. Before I know it I have more than I can handle, so they pile up and many go back on the bookshelf unfinished.
Libraries help a lot, not only to save money but also to motivate me to read, since I only have a month or so before I have to return the book(s).
Reply to darthbarracuda And [i]that[/I] - going to libraries, rather than purchasing books - has the upshot of less money going towards Amazon. If only a [i]real[/I] boycott - one which hit 'em where it hurt and did not just barely scratch the surface - could get off the ground...
Step 5 Bow low from the waist and place your head between you legs, then kiss your ass good bye.
Maybe you're old enough to remember. We used to call that an air raid drill, which was specifically aimed at protecting us from a nuclear attack. I don't know if I would have made it. Dover Air Force Base was about 30 miles away.
Reply to T Clark When I was in school in the US we used to have those drills too. Short skirts always seemed to be dress code for days when they had the drills.
Ahh the memories of crawling under the desks. :wink:
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 10, 2018 at 11:25#1708710 likes
Can you name the tune based on lyrics alone without help from the interwebs?
"It's nine o'clock on a Saturday
The regular crowd shuffles in
There's an old man sitting next to me
Makin' love to his tonic and gin..."
I can't remember the last time I sung a song the whole way through. Maybe 'Fake Plastic Trees' by Radiohead because I played it on guitar. I'm not going to go binary on 'Piano Man' anyhow. It's a decent tune at least.
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff They took him off the extra oxygen and are letting the fenobarbital run its course in the hopes of capturing something on the eeg. He does have trouble breathing well with oxygen saturation dropping to low 80s, which should be above 92. He receives coffeine to stimulate breathing but they might take that out too if he doesn't show a convulsion. So after a pretty good day where I sort of recognised him as he was during that week at home, he's now more tired and getting fed through a tube again (my wife breastfed him yesterday).
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 10, 2018 at 20:25#1709590 likes
Reply to Benkei Archie is a fighter so know that he is going to pull through this just fine, he is just adjusting to this world outside of the sheltered, nourishing, floating security of Mom's womb. Do they know what is causing the convulsion or is a convulsion a seizure?
I cannot even imagine the degree of "helplessness" that you and your wife feel watching such a small soul go through such angst this early in your relationship and if it was a girl, I would tell you she is putting you through your paces but in this case, the fact that Archie is a boy is a good fact on his side. If she is nursing, maybe the hospital will allow her to pump milk, to give it to him when he is hungry and off the feeding tube. I know the hospital is a scary place but as young as Archie is, using a feeding tube is not the same as needing a feeding tube on an adult.
I wish I could be there but as you know me, I would have a hundred more questions to ask, even though they have already been asked. Remember my friend that the power that made the body can heal the body and that you can count on.
Archie's candle is lit and shall remain until Archie comes home.
Be well, be strong and have faith that your family will get through this to good health~
Tiffers
I'm sorry to learn it isn't okay to discuss Atlantis in the Lounge. But I'm horrified to learn that it isn't even possible to comment on whether it's okay to discuss Atlantis in the Lounge. So, I've just done both.
The Senate is old and technologically clueless, and Zuck deflected, for the most part. Or feigned ignorance.
I did just re-watch The Social Network, which is excellent (and should have won Best Pic at the Oscars), but it's crazy how prescient the movie is, in some regards.
(I'm not referring to anything recently posted here in the Shoutbox, whether it is or isn't. I'm referring to something else. But it feels good to let that out).
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 11, 2018 at 11:08#1710840 likes
Anyone else watch the Senate hearing with Zuckerberg?
We watched the hearing and I think it would have been helpful if some of the "Senators" actually used the product they are thinking about having to regulate.
"Senator, I don't have the answer to that but I can have my team get back with you."
Can you imagine how frustrating it would be to explain where to look for their "desktop" and have to tell them it is not the desktop made of wood that your computer is sitting on?
NicK's eyes were bleeding in pain by the lunch break but decided maybe a drinking game could be created around "Senator, I will have my team get back with you."
Today should be better.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 11, 2018 at 11:18#1710870 likes
Trying my best in my forties to pass a damn logic exam...
You go for it! Just so you don't feel alone, it took me two times to pass college Logic 101. First time through I withdrew before I got an "F" but stayed in the class as an audit. Took the class a second time and got an "A" for the course. :up:
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 11, 2018 at 11:51#1710960 likes
Notice: The spam filter is continuing to pick up false positives. If a post of any of yours disappears and you don't know why, feel free to ask one of the mods to check the filter for you to see if it's there.
Reply to Baden And what if one of my posts disappears for that reason and I do not notice? Are you going to check it regularly for fuck ups? Fix the problem? Switch it off? Or do I just have to accept that some of my posts might disappear, and remain disappeared, for no good reason?
I sort of plan to look in from time to time; for the most part read some things or perhaps risk asking a question every now and then. Maybe I'll find my desire once more to wax some BS... well eventually.
Nice to see a lot of the old names still haunting the boards. Cheers! :wink:
Meow!
G
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 13, 2018 at 17:36#1716320 likes
I've been gone for the better part of a year. Did anything significate happen in the world during my absence?
Meow!
G
Yay!!! Welcome back!
Let's see while you were away:
unenlightened has joined the ranks of members, giving up being moderator and as always he rocks!
Benkei had a second child about two weeks ago, named Archie and is struggling a little bit to adjust to this world outside the womb so any good energies will work so he can go home again!
fdrake is a moderator and doing awesome!
caldwell made it over here!
We lost two members but hopefully will find there way back, those two being Wosret and Mongrel.
Hmm lets see:
Lone Wolf is a kick to follow as is TClark both which have added a lot to the forum.
Agustino is missing in action but I have faith it won't be for long.
A united response, no less.
Can only hope those missiles are "new" and "smart" enough to differentiate between innocent bystanders and goddamn wastes of skin.
Some on the right are against the bombing because they think we are helping Islamic fundamentalists and Iran who they absolutely hate, not because of any sudden conversion to morality (Michael Savage, the Islamophobic radio wing-nut is another crying crocodile tears on this front— listen to him reveal his true colors below). They may actually be right in this instance—the story doesn't add up— but if we were bombing Afghanistan or Iraq or any other traditional enemy, you wouldn't hear a word of dissent. Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, Russia deserves a black eye for its indiscriminate cluster bombing of rebel neighborhoods and Assad is a brutal tyrant who is capable of anything, so I'm not going to shed any tears at whatever "injustice" is being dreamed up by conservatives who are sad we aren't killing the right people today.
Although Archie is no longer getting support for breathing, it remains shallow at times and he even "forgets" to breathe at times. He quickly corrects himself but it's tiring for him and it takes a lot of effort for him to finish his bottles as a result. Nevertheless, he's growing well. He only receives Keppra, which is something against epileptic seizures and we haven't seen anything on the brain monitor for 48 hours. Before, when he forgot to breathe we saw repetitive brain signals suggesting something epileptic but there's no conclusive cause found yet (nor is it clear it's epilepsy). He remains under observation at the hospital and we're waiting for results of various tests.
Reply to Benkei Because of his size, it takes a lot more time to ascertain and doctors are much more stricter and vigilant, particularly for something like seizures, as it can have a longer-term effect and thus they need to protect him from that. The monitoring will continue until they find the cause, however until then it will be a waiting game. Sending my love to mini-man who seems like he is the strongest baby ever, powering through all this and able to breath despite his tinsy insides, and also to your wife and daughter. xx Stay strong for them.
Mayor of SimpletonApril 14, 2018 at 09:26#1717970 likes
Just like a politician, takes off for a year and comes back to find the place running just the same without him. :lol:
Kind of reminds me of this little forgotten gem... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7ua8w
"During the holidays when vacations are incurred, it's a good time to vacation from yourself. Of course, you cannot vacate your body and go off somewhere, but you can alter your mind and frame of living so that, for well grounded purposes, you will be taking a vacation from yourself. Here are some of my suggestions...
So, in closing, I say: drop all cares and worries about politics, business, and the foreign situation. You will be astonished to find the world will manage to struggle on somehow. Take a vacation From Your-Self!"
Meow!
G
Mayor of SimpletonApril 14, 2018 at 09:28#1717980 likes
Yay!!! Welcome back!
Let's see while you were away:
unenlightened has joined the ranks of members, giving up being moderator and as always he rocks!
Benkei had a second child about two weeks ago, named Archie and is struggling a little bit to adjust to this world outside the womb so any good energies will work so he can go home again!
fdrake is a moderator and doing awesome!
caldwell made it over here!
We lost two members but hopefully will find there way back, those two being Wosret and Mongrel.
Hmm lets see:
Lone Wolf is a kick to follow as is TClark both which have added a lot to the forum.
Agustino is missing in action but I have faith it won't be for long.
I am so glad you are back!
your lil' sis
Good to hear that unenlightened, fdrake and caldwell have arrived and are taking up the charge.
I know that Wosret is currently putting out a series of YouTube "open therapy sessions". I can link you that if you want.
TClark has kind of made his/her presence known. Probably I should have made my pointless point a bit clearer also indicating that nothing I post has any degree of seriousness, but well... whatever.
Sounds like I might wait until my head is clear to check out this Lone Wolf.
Reply to Mayor of Simpleton Hey baseball head, remember me? I was that annoying girl that managed to stress you out a couple of times. Thanks for the acknowledgement.
I think it is BS and I don't usually agree with this guy
"Okay. But let’s be real. We do tolerate atrocities like this all the time. For example, there’s a devastating famine killing children in Yemen right now. The Saudis are causing that famine. Should we drop tomahawks on Riyadh in response? Not until it’s on YouTube apparently, when you conduct foreign policy by viral video. Pictures are essential"
Tucker Carlson
Tucker has always come across as a fair fighter to me and I watch his show regularly. This show in particuliar caught me off guard as to the argument he was making and it made me think, what if he was right?
Were we being set up like another Iraq?
The real question is "Are we being set up?" and I mean the whole world. Are we all being manipulated by a bunch geeks sitting in the Pentagon using social websites to make us think what they want us to think?
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 14, 2018 at 13:17#1718340 likes
Reply to Benkei Thank you for the update on how Archie is doing. I know that adults sometimes develop sleep apnea and my Dad before testing would stop breathing over 25 times a night. Since then he has an easy solution he wears at night that senses when he stops breathing and pushes air up his nose to remind him to breathe. Opposite of him, my Mom was having AFib in the middle of the night causing her heart rate to shoot up to 149 a minute / she is usually at 70 beats a minute. So she wakes up to feeling like she is running a marathon has to take a series of pills and if she needs to take pill #3 she should be on her way to the ER. It turns out that she was having sleep apnea that was kicking off her Afib and using another Cpap device has brought her Afib under control.
What am I saying? I wish I knew what was wrong with Archie, I wish some of what I know could help Archie but I am at a loss and grasping at straws, which might be a touch of what your life feels like right now. But know I am beside you friend, searching for Archie's good health and for your family of 4 to find the peace it needs to be whole~ :heart:
Sounds like I might wait until my head is clear to check out this Lone Wolf.
Benkei is has been busy.
Sis you just keep 'em all in line. ;)
Meow!
G
Lone Wolf is warm forum member but can hold her own if necessary~ Kind of like you and I~ :wink:
I cannot imagine how life tired Benkei is but we will hold him up best we can from here. :hearts:
As far as keep 'em all in line?
Ever try to herd wet cats? :rofl:
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 14, 2018 at 13:30#1718390 likes
The real question is "Are we being set up?" and I mean the whole world. Are we all being manipulated by a bunch geeks sitting in the Pentagon using social websites to make us think what they want us to think?
Could the whole world be that naive? :chin:
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 14, 2018 at 13:31#1718410 likes
Reply to Mayor of Simpleton Have you ever noticed how many of these kid's programs deal with adult situations?
How many of the kids that saw this program were left with the impression that dogs and politicians are interchangeable, that presidents are pedophiles that like little kids touching them?
The Flintstones had programs about Fred being suspected of cheating on the missus and other social problems. Most cartoons had violence in them, characters getting chopped up or killed.
How long has Holy Wood and the rest of the industry been try to influence the way people act?
I have a hard time believing that the videos of kids foaming at the mouth is a set up. :fear:
When a soldier is trained for bomb missions, the scariest part is a course that is 12 months long, that takes them through all the biological, neurological agents that are available for use. Those soldiers when interviewed are visibly shaken when they talk about the horrific effects of these agents, knowing that if the any rogue entity has them, that they themselves will likely be exposed to them.
Why? I know you are a lone wolf but I have noticed you, as have others and that is a good thing. You often write about what I can relate to in life and getting up and doing the daily grind again. I know your relationship with horses, the path you are traveling I have traveled before. The difference is that even though I have "ridden again" because I wasn't going to hang my riding hat up after such an accident but it was just to say "I got back up on that horse". The truth is? My spirit should remain on the ground now. I have spent my fair time riding bareback with no halter just his mane, I have ridden many mountain miles of trail and had such a love affair with my last riding horse, that it broke my heart.
You are to be admired to attack each day with the tenacity of youth that you do~
Have you ever been told that you are a beautiful person?
Because you are
"Bombs won't save lives or bring about peace."
Jeremy Corbyn
Did he elaborate on this? Maybe it’s just what I want to call a ”rhetorical statement”. So I don't want to challenge him, or his stance. However the statement sparked a topic of intrigue in my mind, which is how well the use of nearly any ”specific” weapon systems can be justified ”within” a war or conflict.
If it won't offended you, I think I have some fun examples that act as thorough argument against that exact statemnet...
I think a better statement would have been: ”Going to war won't save lives or bring about peace.”
I think I then would present the public with statistical examinations of the casualty rates of ”evacuation, immigration, refugee camp and affordable housing development” vs. the casualties rates of ”offensive and defensive military operations”. The public would be faced with a profound truth I think. Which is that they simply feel more emotional satisfaction by having even a small percentage of the enemy killed; then they do by allowing their tax money to ”directly and effectively” create peace in anyone's life. Hunting and killing violent detractors, does not make a civilians life more peaceful, or less endangered.
Let's say that governments happen to spend more on ”refugee support, housing development, and aid” then they do on war... I would simply say then, well, do more...
May and Trump both have low approval ratings and there is nothing like decisive military action which fans the nationalistic flames to help improve their standing. I think the Iraq war helped save George W Bush from defeat and win a second term in office.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 14, 2018 at 14:18#1718590 likes
@Lone Wolf My final equine love affair
Dasher [url=https://postimg.cc/image/7f99rzsx3/]
“This legally questionable action risks escalating further … an already devastating conflict."
“Theresa May should have sought parliamentary approval, not trailed after Donald Trump.”
Apparently he also said that this current bombing may jeopardize the possibility of bringing Assad forward to face war crimes.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 14, 2018 at 14:41#1718650 likes
May and Trump both have low approval ratings and there is nothing like decisive military action which fans the nationalistic flames to help improve their standing. I think the Iraq war helped save George W Bush from defeat and win a second term in office.
Although true, I think the risk of going to war with Russia is too great this time to have it turn into a war. But Russia is the one who said that they would take away these nerve agents away from Syria and that does not seem to have happened. Either Russia or Syria by proxy are using chemicals that have been made illegal, even in times of war. As leaders of three nations, they could not stand idly by waiting to do something about it ONLY after it is used against them, they had to respond. Additionally, wasn't Russia found to be responsbilble for using a nerve agent on the door handles of a Russian exile in Britian, that sickened both he and his daughter? That would be reason enough for me to be on board if asked.
“This legally questionable action risks escalating further … an already devastating conflict."
“Theresa May should have sought parliamentary approval, not trailed after Donald Trump.”
Apparently he also said that this current bombing may jeopardize the possibility of bringing Assad forward to face war crimes.
40m
I'm finding his further statements rather vague, not that I wouldn't ally with the movement he’s trying push forward into the arena.
There’s another intriguing topic of examination though, I thought of this when DEVGRU killed bin Ladden. ”When it comes to emeny #1; which is the better option: termination, assassination, capture and execution, or capture and imprisonment?”
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 14, 2018 at 15:22#1718730 likes
[quote= Dwight D. Eisenhower]
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.
This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.
The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. . . .[/quote]
Why? I know you are a lone wolf but I have noticed you, as have others and that is a good thing. You often write about what I can relate to in life and getting up and doing the daily grind again.
Hmm, never thought anyone except a few paid much attention, but if it helps others, then it is worth it.
I know your relationship with horses, the path you are traveling I have traveled before. The difference is that even though I have "ridden again" because I wasn't going to hang my riding hat up after such an accident but it was just to say "I got back up on that horse". The truth is? My spirit should remain on the ground now. I have spent my fair time riding bareback with no halter just his mane, I have ridden many mountain miles of trail and had such a love affair with my last riding horse, that it broke my heart.
It is hard to overcome a situation like that when it triggers fear, but it is possible!
You are to be admired to attack each day with the tenacity of youth that you do~
Have you ever been told that you are a beautiful person?
Because you are
There have been many a time I wanted to quit. Quit living, quit trying, quit being. But I didn't, not sure if that is really to be admired or not. Even though it sounds silly here, it is by the grace of God I don't quit for the last time.
In other news: the simpleton has returned, the cheerleader has cheered, and Susan has gone missing. Also, the rich lady with the horses - [i]no, not her, the other one[/I] - is feeling down in the dumps. And I'm still an areshole, as T Clark likes to remind me.
Oh, and Atlantis exists. It's here in the Shoutbox.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 14, 2018 at 23:00#1719430 likes
In other news: the simpleton has returned, the cheerleader has cheered, and Susan has gone missing. Also, the rich lady with the horses - no, not her, the other one - is feeling down in the dumps. And I'm still an areshole, as T Clark likes to remind me.
Why the fuck do you feel the need to tear people down? Is that the only way that you can feel better about yourself?
The past called and wanted to let you know that it's time to get the fuck over it and move on.
Reply to SapientiaReply to ArguingWAristotleTiff Things could be worse. Minnesota and Minneapolis are in the middle (or "midst" as they say on the other side of the pond) of a blizzard on the 14th of April. About a foot of snow just fell out of the sky and this is supposed to keep on all night (it's 6:15 p.m. now). 30 mph wind (48 kph). Fortunately it isn't supposed to get too cold tonight. Just in the low 20s F.
Reply to Sapientia Sap, are you being an asshole again? Hey, Amazon has a book about assholes.
In the spirit of the mega-selling On Bullshit, philosopher Aaron James presents a theory of the asshole that is both intellectually provocative and existentially necessary.
What does it mean for someone to be an asshole? The answer is not obvious, despite the fact that we are often personally stuck dealing with people for whom there is no better name. Try as we might to avoid them, assholes are found everywhere—at work, at home, on the road, and in the public sphere. Encountering one causes great difficulty and personal strain, especially because we often cannot understand why exactly someone should be acting like that.
Asshole management begins with asshole understanding. Much as Machiavelli illuminated political strategy for princes, this book finally gives us the concepts to think or say why assholes disturb us so, and explains why such people seem part of the human social condition, especially in an age of raging narcissism and unbridled capitalism. These concepts are also practically useful, as understanding the asshole we are stuck with helps us think constructively about how to handle problems he (and they are mostly all men) presents. We get a better sense of when the asshole is best resisted, and when he is best ignored—a better sense of what is, and what is not, worth fighting for.
There's also a book about me:
A #1 NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLER
One of the most salient features of our culture is that there is so much bullshit. Everyone knows this. Each of us contributes his share. But we tend to take the situation for granted. Most people are rather confident of their ability to recognize bullshit and to avoid being taken in by it. So the phenomenon has not aroused much deliberate concern. We have no clear understanding of what bullshit is, why there is so much of it, or what functions it serves. And we lack a conscientiously developed appreciation of what it means to us. In other words, as Harry Frankfurt writes, "we have no theory."
Frankfurt, one of the world's most influential moral philosophers, attempts to build such a theory here. With his characteristic combination of philosophical acuity, psychological insight, and wry humor, Frankfurt proceeds by exploring how bullshit and the related concept of humbug are distinct from lying. He argues that bullshitters misrepresent themselves to their audience not as liars do, that is, by deliberately making false claims about what is true. In fact, bullshit need not be untrue at all.
Rather, bullshitters seek to convey a certain impression of themselves without being concerned about whether anything at all is true. They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant. Frankfurt concludes that although bullshit can take many innocent forms, excessive indulgence in it can eventually undermine the practitioner's capacity to tell the truth in a way that lying does not. Liars at least acknowledge that it matters what is true. By virtue of this, Frankfurt writes, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.
Reply to Bitter Crank Freud might've thought that it has to do with some forgotten event in my early childhood, but that's bullshit, and Freud was an asshole.
Reply to Sapientia You know that kind hearted lady who bakes cookies for the neighbors, who cooks for you when you're sick, who cares about everyone like they're part of her family? Yeah, well she just told you to fuck off. You pick the strangest fights. An odd bird you are.
Things could be worse. Minnesota and Minneapolis are in the middle (or "midst" as they say on the other side of the pond) of a blizzard on the 14th of April. About a foot of snow just fell out of the sky and this is supposed to keep on all night (it's 6:15 p.m. now). 30 mph wind (48 kph). Fortunately it isn't supposed to get too cold tonight. Just in the low 20s F.
OK, but the snow will melt and things will get better. But Sappo does not seem to want to change, he is going to continue to be an areshole.
Reply to Baden I don't think I have heard someone use that many fucks in so short a time since my old Dutch boss hit himself on the head with a 2 by 4 timber.
Funny that this is what finally caused the meltdown seeing as Trump broke most of his campaign promises already. I suspect at this point that Alex is shilling for Putin.
Man, I like your post. Kind of curious to know if the book has anything to say about being a badass, a smartass, or else a dumbass and the sociological implications of each category … sort of the same general topic, but they’re clearly distinct from the category of the book’s title. One nice thing about these categories, for example, is that they’re gender-neutral.
Yes, at last -- something that is finally gender neutral and appropriately so.
Thanks, but ... the text in my post is from the Amazon site -- I should have labeled it clearly as such. I haven't read either one -- more the title than the content appealed. Well, actually, I did buy Assholes and it just didn't seem worth pursuing once I got into it.
Thanks, but ... the text in my post is from the Amazon site
Someone thinks you are promoting bullshit on the site, hope they don't try to ban you selling stuff. Keep a low profile for a couple of days and let it blow over. :cool:
Talking about bullshit, does anyone like the idea of having a thread for the flushing of such ideas from ones head? I have noticed a few constipated members recently that might benefit from such a place. :halo:
Talking about bullshit, does anyone like the idea of having a thread for the flushing of such ideas from ones head? I have noticed a few constipated members recently that might benefit from such a place. :halo:
Reply to Lone Wolf Beautiful! I can imagine the shedding though :mask: I already met those two stunning @ArguingWAristotleTiff horses before, but hopefully after some recent tension, I can make Tiff smile with:
You know that kind hearted lady who bakes cookies for the neighbors, who cooks for you when you're sick, who cares about everyone like they're part of her family?
No, but I would mock her too. It's fun and it's like a test to see what kind of person you are. Different families have different family values. I would rather be an orphan than be part of a family who reacts like a hothead to a bit of mockery. My actual family is not like that at all. But the main reason is because the second commandment, which is one of the two commandments upon which hang all the law and the prophets, says to do so. Mock thy neighbour as thyself.
Oh dear Sappy, you just need to lighten up. I've taken to making bad jokes along the style of your own. BC didn't seem to get it. Maybe try being less serious about the things you care about, and being more serious about the things you don't care about. And think it through before you respond.
No really, I'd love to hear your argument for why your names for those animals are not Colonialism-lite.
Why would I argue with a smug elitist from New York who has never stepped foot in the Middle East about a subject he knows nothing about and who only said that because he is a smug, elitist from New York trying to ruin the vibe of this place?
Remember that moment you once told me to fuck off? It's reciprocated.
Yeah, @Noble Dust, stop trying to ruin the vibe of this place with your inappropriate humour. Timeline is like that kind hearted lady who bakes heroin laced cookies for the neighbors. How could you?
So by your logic, because I'm "from" New York (did I grow up there? Did I move there? Are we talking New York State, are we talking New York City?), and have never stepped foot in the mid east (and you know this how?), and I therefore know nothing about "a" subject (which subject? Delicious cold apps like baba, hummus, etc? I actually just ate a delicious dinner of Qudsia, Grape Leaves, and an obligatory Zataar pie. Why? Because I was craving that food and I happen to live in the largest Middle Eastern neighborhood in NYC. But that means nothing; it has no bearing on this discussion. Or is the subject horseback transport in the mideast? You've got me there; I was never great on a steed).
As to me being smug, I guess we'd need to define that term. "Pride in one's achievements" doesn't well describe someone working an hourly wage in a retail job 40 hours a week in an industry he cares nothing for. Smug, indeed, seems a disingenuous term, at the least.
Elitist? Well, I was home schooled through high school in the mid west of the US, about the least elitist area of the modern Western world one could grow up in, and I went to the local Unversity because it was convenient, and received a degree in a subject I wasn't interested in. Elite indeed, considering I essentially wasted my college education. Truly, your deductive skills as an astute mod of this forum are incredible.
Trying to ruin the vibe of this place? Yes, I'm trying to ruin whatever bullshit nonsense I see posted here, like your photos.
Yes, I remember when I told you to fuck off. I'd rather you literally tell me to "fuck off" than vainly attempt to emotionally manipulate me into your bullshit twilight world. Go ahead, tell me to fuck off. I'd welcome it, in contrast to your own response to that salutation.
Edited to clarify that I told you to fuck off. These things are important, and I made a quick mistake in the heat of the moment.
Ooh! Can you let me know, too? I'm dying to hear all about it. And maybe you could spice things up a little by throwing in an insult or two, or telling me to grow up. (That gives me the hots).
Not too bad. Getting better, but I hear it's only a short spell this week. Better make the most of it while it lasts! (Like staying in all day glued to the interwebs).
No? No response? An apology would at least be appreciated. We're both human beings here, with different experiences and different perspectives on life.
But is the condition of being an asshole pre-determined? Perhaps the many people who are assholes can not avoid being assholes? Is it the fault of brilliant people that they are so smart? Is it the fault of obtuse literalists that they can't catch a slightly subtle joke if their lives depended on it?
The condition of assholeness is normally distributed in the population, and because of quantum mechanics, no matter how you sample the population, 33.3% will always turn out to be assholes -- as they will be quick to tell you. 33.3% of The Philosophy Forum members are assholes as well. Obviously that doesn't mean that 66.6% are lovely people. Actually only about 12.1% manage to achieve that status. another 33.3% of the population are made up of liars, thieves, knaves, and scoundrels. So far we have accounted for 78.7% of the population. Then there are ordinary jerks, idiots, imbeciles, and morons. That's another 14%. 92.7% and counting. The remaining 7.3% of the population are indeterminate. That won't last. Soon they will reveal themselves to be assholes, liars, thieves, knaves, scoundrels, jerks, idiots, imbeciles, and morons.
Most people can not escape their doom, try as they might. The cookie bakers and lunch bringers are as compelled to Feed The People as Americans are compelled to annoy the French. (Everybody, pretty much, is compelled that way.) Assholes can't help themselves. It is who they are.
The more complex question is whether it is a better state-of-being to be compelled to be a liar, thief, knave, scoundrel, jerk, idiot, imbecile, moron; or an asshole. Or, possibly, one of the lovely people. The cookie bakers, after all, MUST bring you cookies. They have no choice. They are powerless to resist. It's 3:00 am, there is a need. They are in the kitchen making chewy chocolate chip cookies (using eggs, butter, brown sugar, Guittard chocolate, and organic walnuts). They'll deliver them still warm. And chewy. Irresistible even to strict, pleasure-denying, iron-willed vegans.
Assholes are the same way. It's a fine spring day; the flowers are blooming, warm breezes blow, not a cloud in the sky, and some asshole comes along and says something that just RUINS YOUR DAY. Probably insinuated that your horses need new shoes, or something.
Slavoj Zizek does an interesting taxonomy of stupid people, dividing them into 'idiots', 'morons', and 'imbeciles' (as per your terms above). So, idiots are people who misinterpret things, like they take the metaphorical literally and vice versa; so, always getting things wrong but still able to function and understand society at large while not always going along with it. Morons are another level. These are people who understand everything perfectly insofar as that's necessary to do what they are supposed to do but no more. So, completely unimaginative conformists who add nothing to the status quo. Dream employees in low level jobs. Then imbeciles are at another level. These people are so removed from society in terms of their intellectual incapacitation, they are not expected to follow its norms. Expect the unexpected with an imbecile.
Not sure about assholes. Maybe there are assholes who know they're assholes and know when to stop and assholes who don't know and therefore don't stop, or worse, who know and will never stop.
Your philosophical prowess in response to my posts, and specifically as a mod responding to posts of mine that have mysteriously disappeared, is truly stunning. When I think of a mod as a leader to be emulated, where else could I possibly turn?
You are indeed a sweet mystery,Baden. As to the mystery of one disappearing post in which TimeLine made a response, a response which I then made a further response to...well, I think the cards are played out and visible.
Oh by the way, still waiting for your detailed response to my detailed reply to your accusations that I'm "from NY", smug, and elitist. I await your mod-erate wisdom.
Mayor of SimpletonApril 15, 2018 at 10:08#1720580 likes
Hey baseball head, remember me? I was that annoying girl that managed to stress you out a couple of times. Thanks for the acknowledgement.
Please don't be too upset if I say vaguely, as there is a long line of people who where somewhat "contentious" about various issues. I don't really remember anything that was stressing for really bothersome, so that's a good thing.
The beauty of this little shed known as The Philosophy Forum... there is always someone who views things differently and has no hesitation to inform one of these differences (some in a well mannered fashion and others in a flaming manner). The only one's who "stress me" are those who tend more to the flaming insults (who I tend to simply ignore) who fail to understand all this is is an exchange of ideas and notions; thus take it far to seriously, which I cannot remember from your side. ;)
Oh by the way, still waiting for you detailed response to my detailed reply to your accusations that I'm "from NY", smug, and elitist. I await your mod-erate wisdom.
Listen, I know you are eager for a fight, chasing me around the forum trying to provoke me but all I can say to you is this:
I think I'm one of those idiots - or was it imbeciles? - referenced by Zizek above. I can't tell whether these convos are friendly repartee or the playing out of lingering animosities between forum members.
More than likely the suspeceted problems (if indeed they really would exist) have more to do with my probable lack of understanding of things. I'm not really the sharpest knief in the drawer.
I trust Tiff (my philosophical virtual sister) in many of the matters and more than likely we'd have no problem attempting dialogues. If I don't get it I can say I really don't take that too seriously. Afterall... you are only resonsible for what you write and honestly cannot take responsibility for what I cannot understand.
I can say with a sort of a degree of certainty that clarity is not really a part of my skills set, but no worries I prefer to tell jokes... even if I'm the only one who laughs.
The only one's who "stress me" are those who tend more to the flaming insults (who I tend to simply ignore) who fail to understand all this is is an exchange of ideas and notions; thus take it far to seriously, which I cannot remember from your side. ;)
Yeah, I'm not that memorable unfortunately. :hearts:
Mayor of SimpletonApril 15, 2018 at 10:34#1720720 likes
Reply to TimeLine Something tells me it less you being "not that memerable" than my ability to remember much of anything.
Notice my user name... the simpleton part is not an accident. Just ask a couple of folks here who seriously take serious issue with my seriously complete and utter lack of seriousness about any serious issues.
This is one instance where I would advise you to give in to peer pressure and just lay off. There are some people who will never appreciate your humor so the result is in and no further testing is required.
Random comments on news and such... Alex Jones’s passion and criticism of Trump might be admirable, but one wonders if he has a paramedic standing by in case of a heart attack after blowing a major gasket in the video posted above. (thanks @Baden). About the Syrian conflict, don’t know enough about it to really say who are the bad guys, and who are the very bad guys. Just want the bombing and bloodshed to end. There is probably a term (failed state? whipping boy?) for the situation where a country becomes the battlefield for many opposing nations and interests, as well as its own civil war. Vietnam, Lebanon, Iraq...
Also, Starbucks is facing a public relations disaster after two black men were arrested and handcuffed in Philadelphia because they hadn’t ordered anything while waiting for a friend to arrive. Thank goodness no one was hurt. IMHO, the men who were arrested played it well by refusing to leave and relatively calmly allowed themselves to be handcuffed. Rosa Parks and MLK Jr would be proud.
But is the condition of being an asshole pre-determined? Perhaps the many people who are assholes can not avoid being assholes? Is it the fault of brilliant people that they are so smart? Is it the fault of obtuse literalists that they can't catch a slightly subtle joke if their lives depended on it?
Excellent points. The truth is I don't know. Maybe we should ask some of the more intellectual MEMBERS(pick your favorite meaning) of the forum for their input.
The condition of assholeness is normally distributed in the population, and because of quantum mechanics, no matter how you sample the population, 33.3% will always turn out to be assholes -- as they will be quick to tell you. 33.3% of The Philosophy Forum members are assholes as well. Obviously that doesn't mean that 66.6% are lovely people. Actually only about 12.1% manage to achieve that status. another 33.3% of the population are made up of liars, thieves, knaves, and scoundrels. So far we have accounted for 78.7% of the population. Then there are ordinary jerks, idiots, imbeciles, and morons. That's another 14%. 92.7% and counting. The remaining 7.3% of the population are indeterminate. That won't last. Soon they will reveal themselves to be assholes, liars, thieves, knaves, scoundrels, jerks, idiots, imbeciles, and morons.
Could I please have a copy of the survey? That is absolutely fantastic, such clear, concise data. How many subjects took part in the survey?
The more complex question is whether it is a better state-of-being to be compelled to be a liar, thief, knave, scoundrel, jerk, idiot, imbecile, moron; or an asshole.
Oh god! I have just had a nightmarish thought flash into my head. What if we have a moronic asshole here?
Assholes are the same way. It's a fine spring day; the flowers are blooming, warm breezes blow, not a cloud in the sky, and some asshole comes along and says something that just RUINS YOUR DAY. Probably insinuated that your horses need new shoes, or something.
Yes I know well the feeling. Those types usually get called students though. :smile:
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 16, 2018 at 11:32#1723100 likes
I think I might have spoken too soon for she is still here for another week. :worry:
Three words. Lost In Space. One word. Netflix. One Word. Awesome.
I was wondering about that. I used to watch the original, but the movie with William Hurt and Gary Oldman was terrible. I was going to avoid it, but I'll take a look. Does the robot say "Danger, Will Robinson!!"
Here's a sad thought, I can name most of the original cast - Angela Cartwright, Billy Mumy, Guy Williams, June.... geez....Timmy's mom from Lassie.... Lockhart! Can't remember Dr. Smith or the other two. Or the robot. So, anyway. Half the cast.
Comforting news :gasp:
An asteroid similar in size to one that exploded more than 100 years ago in Russia's Tunguska region in Siberia gave Earth a close shave on Sunday (April 15), just one day after astronomers discovered the object.
Reply to T Clark Not yet but there was a moment it protected him that made him say danger. I am only a couple of episodes in though. They have modernized the show, but brilliantly, much better than Star Trek and the latter classics (original and tng) are my favourites, which they failed big time repeatedly bringing it back in my opinion.
Reply to Cavacava So, it would have been a BIG surprise party. Let's see, now... Which continent would we prefer the asteroid have its big impact? (This is a circumstance where "impact" is appropriate.)
Greenland (island) or Antartica would be good because a smashing hit there would speed up the ocean's rising level and would kill few people outright. It would mean years of great science and tons of interesting programs on television. The oceans are going to rise; we might as well get it over with. The rising oceans would eliminate a lot of economic activity and would cut CO2 emissions.
Most of the continents are just not suitable. The Western Hemisphere is covered by the Monroe Doctrine which rules out meddlesome asteroids. Europe is united against asteroids, (except Britain -- but the UK isn't quite big enough to absorb an asteroid). Africa is disadvantaged, and it would be unfair if the asteroid landed there--not to mention it would also be decidedly racist for an asteroid to strike there. Siberia would be good, of course, but they have already had their turn.
Asia is obviously the best location. We could all do with a drop in the world's population, and there is more population there than anywhere else. On the other hand, if the asteroid could arrange to impact the middle east, it would eliminate ever so many problems at one time. Like simplifying European and American foreign policy and concluding the tiresome Israeli-Arab conflict. It would eliminate a lot of oil production (good for the global climate.)
So, first choice, Antartica and/or Greenland. Second Choice, Western Asia. Third choice, east or south Asia. BTW, whatever happened to that Chinese space station? Did it burn up in the atmosphere?
Reply to TimeLine Oh, sorry TimeLine -- I left Australia out. Maybe Australia would be a good place for a asteroid to impact. Aussies are about due for something interesting to happen and a nice-sized asteroid landing In your outback would be a fascinating experience, You could get up close and take pictures of it colliding with Mother Earth.
Not yet but there was a moment it protected him that made him say danger. I am only a couple of episodes in though. They have modernized the show, but brilliantly, much better than Star Trek and the latter classics (original and tng) are my favourites, which they failed big time repeatedly bringing it back in my opinion.
Just finished the first episode. Jury is out, but I'll definitely watch another episode or two.
Oh, sorry TimeLine -- I left Australia out. Maybe Australia would be a good place for a asteroid to impact. Aussies are about due for something interesting to happen and a nice-sized asteroid landing In your outback would be a fascinating experience, You could get up close and take pictures of it colliding with Mother Earth.
We'll save Australia. Don't want to hurt no kangaroos. We'll build an all-American amusement park there. They've got surfing too!
Reply to JJJJS Cool, until it gets loose in the environment and starts eating laptops, tablets, and cellphones. Oh hell, I just noticed I am sitting on a plastic chair. Hope the damn thing does not mutate into something we will be even sorrier about.
Reply to T Clark No, we don't want to hurt the kangeroozies. They're cute, sort of like really big squirrels. Probably viscous if provoked. Nothing worse than the angry viscosity of marsupials.
Here's a viscous song about kangaroos, displaying all the delicacy and sophistication of Australians that we have come to expect.
Oh, sorry TimeLine -- I left Australia out. Maybe Australia would be a good place for a asteroid to impact. Aussies are about due for something interesting to happen and a nice-sized asteroid landing In your outback would be a fascinating experience, You could get up close and take pictures of it colliding with Mother Earth.
Bring it on. Us Aussies would turn it into a BBQ. We have our version of everything.
Reply to Sir2u We can just let them loose in the sea, and make sure we bio-engineer them to have a short shelf life... Otherwise they'll start eating surfboards in Hawaii
So, it would have been a BIG surprise party. Let's see, now... Which continent would we prefer the asteroid have its big impact? (This is a circumstance where "impact" is appropriate.)
If you could, the farthest acre of our ranch would be a great landing area! :lol: It might make the ranch less hospitable and hence she will relocate.
Look I am getting desperate here! :fear:
Here's a viscous song about kangaroos, displaying all the delicacy and sophistication of Australians that we have come to expect.
I remember that song when it came out. It had a line in it "Let me aboes go loose, Moose, let me aboes go loose, they're of no further use, Moose, so let me aboes go loose." I didn't realize till I was grown that "aboe" meant aborigine. So the guy was telling this friend to let his aborigine slaves go. Of course, this was far, far, back in the past. You know, 1960s. I guess the writer went back and changed the lyrics after the original version came out.
If you could, the farthest acre of our ranch would be a great landing area! :lol: It might make the ranch less hospitable and hence she will relocate.
Look I am getting desperate here!
If we could get it to land on Yellowstone, it would set off the supervolcano magma chamber there and we'd get twice the boom.
unenlightenedApril 17, 2018 at 17:01#1725450 likes
I was a little surprised by the difference in awards he received and what Dylan received, $15K vs $900K I guess highlighting the difference between a Nobel Prize and a Pulitzer Prize.
I just find it ironic that my millennial peers are excited about it when I guarantee none of them cared about the Pulitzer until now. Charles Ives supposedly said “Prizes are for boys and I’m all grown up” upon receiving his Pulitzer, the money from which he apparently donated.
I like to follow awards such as the Pulitzer, the Nobel Prize and other awards to appreciate (or not) what other people think is good, however I also think these awards are the way rich people get their rocks off.
I also think these awards are the way rich people get their rocks off.
I think the rich have rather more numerous ways of getting their rocks off than giving prizes to the peasants who ply them with pleasure. Besides which, Joseph Pulitzer is way beyond caring whether his rocks are got off or not. From Wiki: "Pulitzer introduced the techniques of yellow journalism to the newspapers he acquired in the 1880s." Dirty work, but somebody had to do it.
I wouldn't have given Dylan a nobel prize. Or Obama or Henry Kissinger, either. Peace prize, my ass. Some of Dylan's lyrics are exquisite, but a nobel?
I wouldn't have given Dylan a nobel prize. Or Obama or Henry Kissinger, either. Peace prize, my ass. Some of Dylan's lyrics are exquisite, but a nobel?
The Boston Globe won a Putlitzer for it's coverage of sexual abuse by priests in the Catholic Church. It always struck me they should have won a Nobel Peace Prize. I agree about Obama. And Kissinger - you shouldn't get a prize for ending a war you were responsible for. But Nelson Mandela, of course. Mikhail Gorbachev, yes.
Many aren't aware, but in 1968, in the midst of the national nightmare of the Vietnam War, tensions ran high in our humble forum, with no one here able to speak civilly (@Baden kept changing my name to Fucktardlover69). It was then in that context I was able to win the Noble Peace Prize for my mod work and bringing us all back together.
Many aren't aware, but in 1968, in the midst of the national nightmare of the Vietnam War, tensions ran high in our humble forum, with no one here able to speak civilly (@Baden kept changing my name to Fucktardlover69). It was then in that context I was able to win the Noble Peace Prize for my mod work and bringing us all back together.
Do you know how I know this is a lie? Because they're the Nobel prizes, not the Noble prizes.
Your subterfuge had been undone by poor spelling.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 18, 2018 at 12:23#1727040 likes
The art or craft of compiling, writing and editing dictionaries. (linguistics) The scholarly discipline of analyzing and describing the semantic, syntagmatic and paradigmatic relationships within the lexicon (vocabulary) of a language
No latin required.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 18, 2018 at 21:57#1728110 likes
:up: See my parents required us kids to take 4 years of a foreign language and in Chicago, Spanish was not that popular and since she is in the field of medicine she wanted me to take Latin. Needless to say Spanish has served me well here in Arizona.
Do you know how I know this is a lie? Because they're the Nobel prizes, not the Noble prizes.
Your subterfuge had been undone by poor spelling.
Actually no. I won the Noble prize, given out by Hank Noble at Noble's Feed & Seed on Hwy 35. His prize postdated the Nobel prize by 8 minutes in a strange moment of cosmic coincidence, but because it came later it was forced into oblivion and lost to the anals of time. Anals is not misspelled here either, but is an inside joke that explains the 8 minute delay.
These facts are so strange they couldn't be made up so must be true.
See my parents required us kids to take 4 years of a foreign language and in Chicago, Spanish was not that popular and since she is in the field of medicine she wanted me to take Latin. Needless to say Spanish has served me well here in Arizona.
We could take Spanish, French, Latin, or German in high school, but I took none of them because back then as long as you could drool you could get into the University of Georgia. I then took French in college because maybe my friend was taking it. I'm not sure, but I'm sure it was well thought out, but I did ok eventually. When I was in France 25 years later I heard this lady yelling at us "gauche, gauche," and I was able to tell the kids that means get to the left in jibber jabber language so they ought to move over to the wrong side of the line because that's how they do it here.
We could take Spanish, French, Latin, or German in high school, but I took none of them because back then as long as you could drool you could get into the University of Georgia
This is the same University as where you are sending your son? :yikes:
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff Yes, indeed. Those who cut down others seem to think it is great fun because it makes them feel better about themselves. I suspect it is a pride issue.
Yes, indeed. Those who cut down others seem to think it is great fun because it makes them feel better about themselves. I suspect it is a pride issue.
I am not trying to put anyone down here, I just thought it was funny.
It's a bad year for pets I guess. One of my cats is going under the knife today to hopefully save his life. He's one of the happiest little creatures I've ever met. I hope he can pull through.
It's a bad year for pets I guess. One of my cats is going under the knife today to hopefully save his life. He's one of the happiest little creatures I've ever met. I hope he can pull through.
Aww what is your cat's name so I can keep him in my thoughts and prayers~ :heart:
Reply to Lone Wolf Hey, never thought of that. Sonny would eat almost anything and knew how to get what he wanted. We had a real laugh when he decided he wanted pizza, he charmed the old lady eating it into giving him a slice.
Damn shame cellphone did not exist back them, he would have made a YouTube star.
Reply to Noble Dust We already have another game going that magically appeared, dear. Don't know where it came from, but it is your turn... :chin: So don't get all jealous. :snicker:
Some insects like drosphila apparently don't have cannabinoid receptors, unlike most other primitive and higher animals. So I'm not so sure there will be much human testing of this :joke: ....although there are a few red light districts around.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 20, 2018 at 15:37#1731010 likes
Some insects like drosphila apparently don't have cannabinoid receptors, unlike most other primitive and higher animals. So i'm not so sure there will be much human testing of this :joke: ....although there are a few red light districts around.
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Surgery was successful. Because they removed a rather large mass from his neck he's been really uncomfortable and hasnt been eating yet. But we've seen improvement. Fingers crossed for the biopsy results.
More sanctions means less money for Kim and his cronies to steal from their own economy. They have also proved their military point by flouting international law through the testing of missiles that can now reach mainland US. So, the limits of ideology have been reached I think, and it's now time to relax and enjoy the filthy lucre that leaders of developing countries with capitalist economies the world over are bathing in. As for Trump, his unpredictability has probably hastened that decision, so good for him.
Surgery was successful. Because they removed a rather large mass from his neck he's been really uncomfortable and hasnt been eating yet. But we've seen improvement. Fingers crossed for the biopsy results.
That is great to hear that surgery was successful! Healing takes time and time is something we cannot rush but never forget that the power that made the body, can heal the body~ :heart:
I think this is historically inaccurate. I don't believe Schrodinger spoke English. But - since I haven't actually checked, I guess you could say he both did and didn't speak English.
Now mass murderers have added nudity to their outrages. The terrorist in today's Nashville Waffle House murder fled the scene in the nude. (He didn't have much on during the shooting,) 10 hours later he hadn't been caught. Nude man blends into crowd in Nashville?
Alas, no. What is the etiquette of a Waffle House?
Actually, I've only been in a couple of Waffle Houses, and they've been fine. A bit Dennyish. Ok waffles, but nothing to go out of your way for. On the other hand, they have a reputation for being full of drunks and drug addicts at 2 in the morning puking on the floor.
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff Thanks Tiff. Unfortunately we received bad news from the pathologist. Cancer. We'll find out this week if it's something treatable or not. Very sad times. :broken: :cry:
Reply to T Clark As of this evening, the Washington Post reports the naked shooter is "believed to be still at large".
"Believed to be"? If the police don't have him in custody, doesn't that pretty much have to mean he is still at large?
Nashville is apparently a groovier place than I had previous thought if a naked guy can remain at large for... 18 hours without being noticed. What are they smoking down there? Or perhaps he stole some clothing and disguised himself as a woman. Yeah, with a wig and a little make up he could definitely do good drag. Hiding in plain sight.
For those unfamiliar, there are thousands of Waffle Houses in the South. Sometimes there will be one on each side of the street. Where I live, there are 4 within a few miles. They are always open (24/7/365). In fact, they are so reliably open that FEMA has created the Waffle House Index, which charts the severity of a disaster by how many Waffle Houses have closed and how reduced their menus might be due to the disaster. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffle_House_Index.
In addition to protecting my community, they serve the finest food in all the world. The 50,000 calorie Grand Slam that I treat myself to several times a month consists of A waffle (blueberries are extra), hash browns (cheese and onions are extra), bacon (or sausage), eggs (however you like them, I prefer scrambled with cheese), and raisin toast with butter. You can chase it down with sweet tea that tastes a whole lot like the waffle syrup.
Occasionally (usually every other Tuesday) a gun wielding naked man comes in and orders a coffee and maybe some steak and eggs and then leaves happy, but I suppose inconsistencies in service might result in differing customer attitudes and reactions.
Here was a recent would be robbery at a local Waffle House that made the news several weeks ago. The customer shot so quickly, it seems like he already had his gun drawn in anticipation.
Thanks Tiff. Unfortunately we received bad news from the pathologist. Cancer. We'll find out this week if it's something treatable or not. Very sad times. :broken: :cry:
I am sorry to hear the news but don't give up hope on Walter and his quality of life. I know it sounds crazy but if you can get Walter to eat an inch of a brown Banana a day, mixed with Liver Sausage or such it will help suppress the Cancer growth (My Mom's dogs Leukemia numbers were off the charts and she lived another 6 months with no increase in pain, was it the Banana? Maybe but it didn't hurt). But when the time comes know that you can give Walter some of his pain meds before he leaves home so he is sleepy, the last sense is that of scent so make sure you give him a worn tshirt of yours to lay his head on and know, that Walter will be comfortable with the love you share with him. {{{{Walter}}}} {{{{You}}}}
Unconditional love makes the world go around~ :hearts: :pray: :heart:
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 23, 2018 at 12:55#1735220 likes
In addition to protecting my community, they serve the finest food in all the world. The 50,000 calorie Grand Slam that I treat myself to several times a month consists of A waffle (blueberries are extra), hash browns (cheese and onions are extra), bacon (or sausage), eggs (however you like them, I prefer scrambled with cheese), and raisin toast with butter. You can chase it down with sweet tea that tastes a whole lot like the waffle syrup.
Wait, wait, wait.....you make it sound so upscale like Denny's, please refrain from such insults. Comeon Hanover, tell the folks the truth, you spared them the terms that Waffle House advertises to prepare their food to your liking. What happened to customizing your order to be "splattered, smattered, smothered, covered, chunked or capped"?
Which to someone who cannot drink, sounds an awful lot like what happens the MORNING after a night of heavy drinking, not something you would want to consume to absorb the alcohol. :roll:
It's scattered, smothered, and covered, which means scattered on the grill, smothered with onions, and covered with cheese. Here's your handy guide to all the lingo:
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 23, 2018 at 15:35#1735410 likes
Denny's is terrible and overpriced, so I wouldn't compare it to that.
It is no comparison when it comes pricing as food is what Denny's actually serves. Nothing like what Waffle House serves, that should carry a *WARNING: Waffle House's 'food stuff' should never to be consumed by a sober human.
That aside any chef worth their salt would never been seen eating at such an establishment let alone cooking at one. Face it Hanover, all of their food arrives on one truck: the frozen truck. So when you think you are paying for "blueberries" understand that the only reason they are there is because they are transported frozen, just like their "fresh" eggs that come in a milk like carton.
At least at Denny's they play with your food before it is served, rather than at Waffle House where the customers are told to 'pretend' it's food.
Do you know what kind of bank a server makes in a shift at Waffle House? I don't.
But I do know what kind of bank a Denny's server makes because my eldest did it for a while. $50 - $75 a shift and considering you don't bus your own tables, that's pretty good spending cash in addition to their hourly servers wage.
So when you think you are paying for "blueberries" understand that the only reason they are there is because they are transported frozen, just like their "fresh" eggs that come in a milk like carton.
You can watch them crack the eggs, so they are real eggs, not military ration egg powder. And, it is delicious, so whatever they put on that magic truck doesn't lose its fine flavor in transit. The company is also headquartered in Atlanta, the single most delicious city in the universe, where it rains lemondrops and gumdrops all summer long.
Do you know what kind of bank a server makes in a shift at Waffle House? I don't.
But I do know what kind of bank a Denny's server makes because my eldest did it for a while. $50 - $75 a shift and considering you don't bus your own tables, that's pretty good spending cash in addition to their hourly servers wage.
And here it is. Your pro-Denny's bias comes through because your son worked there. Your credibility has been thrown out the window. I do not know what a Waffle House service professional earns during a seating, but I suspect it's impressive based upon my generous tipping patterns.
It is no comparison when it comes pricing as food is what Denny's actually serves. Nothing like what Waffle House serves, that should carry a *WARNING: Waffle House's 'food stuff' should never to be consumed by a sober human.
And here it is. Your pro-Denny's bias comes through because your son worked there. Your credibility has been thrown out the window. I do not know what a Waffle House service professional earns during a seating, but I suspect it's impressive based upon my generous tipping patterns.
This is clearly an argument by religious zealots that is descending into vitriol and insult. I'll flag it so Baden can do his thing.
Reply to Baden Would the moderatos allow a poll on how many members of TPF own a waffle iron and know how to make waffle batter? Do they actually make waffles at home? if not, why not?
No one should run the risk of accidentally eating at a cafe-like joint frequented by drunks and drug addicts where they will be served nothing better than food-like matter, and do not have a properly marked vomitorium.
Archie is coming home today! We've got medicine against the epilepsy but that will pass. We have a monitor for home because he snores so heavily he gets saturation dips. To avoid that he sleeps on his tummy now but since that's a bit dangerous at this age due to a risk of suffocation we use the monitor.
Would the moderatos allow a poll on how many members of TPF own a waffle iron and know how to make waffle batter? Do they actually make waffles at home? if not, why not?
The rules are fairly clear:
"Racists, homophobes, sexists, Nazi sympathisers, Waffleologists, etc.: We don't consider your views worthy of debate, and you'll be banned for espousing them."
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 24, 2018 at 11:34#1736720 likes
Archie is coming home today! We've got medicine against the epilepsy but that will pass. We have a monitor for home because he snores so heavily he gets saturation dips. To avoid that he sleeps on his tummy now but since that's a bit dangerous at this age due to a risk of suffocation we use the monitor.
Wooo Hooo! I am over the MOON in happiness today! Yippe Archie! You are a Warrior and one that carries an American name! Sometime when your Dad catches his breath, he might tell us how your name came about! Till then take it easy on your folks and breathe easy my little Dutch friend~ :heart: :heart: :heart:
And here it is. Your pro-Denny's bias comes through because your son worked there. Your credibility has been thrown out the window. I do not know what a Waffle House service professional earns during a seating, but I suspect it's impressive based upon my generous tipping patterns.
Oh Hanover, it goes much deeper than that, so much deeper than that. Grab a coffee and sit down for a stay....
Back when we were working our way up through the BMX riding world and our son set his sights on being ready to qualify for the Rio Olympics, we did a lot of traveling by truck to National Races around the desert Southwest. I was one female among a gaggle of young gentlemen and a few older gentlemen and I was the one pushing the healthy, fuel based food, hydration and general Mom. The males I was traveling with ALWAYS wanted to stop at Waffle House on the way home after the races. I refused to even entertain the idea of bringing these healthy kids and putting that 'food stuff' into their bodies and won, or so I thought.
The kids were getting to the age that they could pitch in a buck or two when it came to buying Christmas presents and so the first year they did, NicK helped them with their ahem... creativity. NicK with a @#*^ eating grin told me in private that he was going to take the kids shopping and he was taking them shopping somewhere I had never let them go. I am sure you have an idea what ideas ran through my mind. :yikes:
So they went shopping on four different nights, Canary smiles as they left each time and came home after I was asleep. Oh the laughter and shhhhs going on the night before Christmas as they were wrapping my gift for the morning, my they were having a good time and the more they laughed the angrier my looks got to NicK, as my inability to pump my children of the information was really starting to wear on me.
Christmas morning came and the first present I wanted to open was the one from them. HUGE box as gifts go and with the camera trained on me, I was so excited to see what they had been working so hard to find me and the time arrived! I opened the box and inside on the very top was a brand new Waffle House paper cooks hat! Beneath that was a Waffle House server visor, their logo front and center, a Waffle House Apron, a Hamilton Waffle Iron, Maple Syrup and of course a box of Waffle mix, just add water.
You can imagine my skin crawling as I opened my present they had worked so hard on and I couldn't even fake liking it, which they found flipping hilarious that they "got" Mom. So I turned to the only other adult in the room and I said and....it took you four nights to put this gift together boys? Wow! You worked really hard and Mom is very proud of you~ Thank you! To which my youngest replied: "It wasn't that hard Mom but can we have something other than Waffles?" Shocked I was like are you kidding? With this beautiful Waffle maker? I am curious though, how did you get the Waffle House cooks hat and servers visor?
Which is when NicK piped in and said it took us eating waffles on four different nights, at four different Waffle Houses, to talk the staff into giving us the props we needed to complete your very own Home Waffle House set up.
I have served revenge to my eldest son already, my youngest still has his to come and as for NicK? I don't know man, it's going to take some time, a bit of thought and the element of surprise.
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff Is this like an ongoing thing where you guys mess with each other and it's all in fun and you laugh at each other's antics or is it more passive aggressive hostility where you don't start talking again until sometime after New Years? I couldn't exactly figure that out from this warm tale of Christmas past.
But anyway, Waffle House is far superior to Denny's, even if Waffle House symbolizes mean Santa to you. In fact, the Denny's near me, which was right next to a Waffle House, closed down after just a few months of business. I'm hoping another Waffle House will open there so that there will be a Waffle House to the right of me regardless of how I park my car.
"Racists, homophobes, sexists, Nazi sympathisers, Waffleologists, etc.: We don't consider your views worthy of debate, and you'll be banned for espousing them."
The greateat of all crap is McDonald's, but you have to have evolved the little gills that allow you to digest the special sauce.
Yeah. Can't help it. Sometimes it just has to be McDonalds. I used to eat there when hamburgers were $0.12 and cheeseburgers were $0.13. It was always a special treat. The closest one was in Annapolis, about an hour and a half away. We'd only get to go there if the family was driving to Baltimore.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 24, 2018 at 22:27#1737290 likes
Is this like an ongoing thing where you guys mess with each other and it's all in fun and you laugh at each other's antics
Oh it is absolutely us trying to mess with each other and NicK and I are the ones who started this whole game. I mentioned I got my eldest son back already and that was two years ago when I made Blintzes for breakfast both cheese and blueberry. I serve a side of blueberry compote to put atop the cheese blintz and when my son asked for more, I handed him the bowl of blueberry compote but had slipped in one black olive. OMG you should have seen his face turn sour at the confusing taste, running into the kitchen to spit it out and I just smiled. The same canary smile that he had offered to me during the nights his father was out corrupting them. He called me on it and I just smiled.
My youngest has never participated in the ruckus of the family and NicK, well, making him wonder when paybacks will happen is fun enough for me.
As far as two Waffle Houses in one parking lot? How about I just send you this Waffle House kit that has never been used and if I look around, I could probably even score you a Denny's apron to serve in.
Reply to Cavacava I think of Schopenhauer every time I see this type of nonsense:
“The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.”
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 25, 2018 at 12:21#1738890 likes
My favourite crap American restaurant chains are A&W
@Hanover do you see what you started? Baden thinks that Beer Root or Hops should not be served in ice cold mugs. :vomit: Now that is the bottom of the barrel, kind of like the food at Cracker Barrel.
Country fried steak is a thin ground beef patty battered and deep fried with white gravy on the top. If you substitute a thin chicken patty for the ground beef patty, you get chicken fried chicken (and it's not so thin that it's like a schnitzel). The chicken substitute is for the health conscious.
I don't like A&W. My actual favorite is Wendy's if it's junk food you're looking for, or Chick-fil-A. I go to Burger King sometimes too. But really the best burger place for the price is Steak and Shake, where you can get a whole meal for around $5.00.
For real southern food you have to go to a meat and 2 vegetables place, not a chain.
I spent five months in Tuscaloosa a few years ago and became aware of Meat and Three. Mr. Bills - "Pass the cornbread. More pudding please." 4 stars on Yelp. Pasty cornbread, canned banana pudding, powdered mashed potatoes, hockey puck hamburg steak with gelatinous mucous on top. Sweet tea. Cheap.
Right up the street from there. The Front Porch Restaurant. Same food, although their fried chicken was not bad. Even cheaper. Fox News on the TV. Only 3.5 stars on Yelp.
300 million Americans - better tin foil hat some Nazis! Racism, hate, shit, the last judgement is upon us!
Is your point that we shouldn't be concerned about aggressive acts of anti-Semitism, racism, and general acts of hate as long as they're isolated incidences?
Reply to Hanover I've always assumed the average Republican does look at it that way (considering which party the people in that picture support if they support one of the two major ones). No?
Reply to frankI've always assumed the average Democrat looks at it as you do, which is that average Republicans are apologetic toward racists because they are either closet racists themselves or they are so unprincipled that they'd rather appease racists than lose votes.
To the extent there are unprincipled politicians when it comes to excusing racist comments and acts, the Democrats provide no better standard than the Republicans.
My own position is that racists of all stripes can fuck off, even if they might offer support for my candidate.
I've always assumed the average Democrat looks at it as you do, which is that average Republicans are apologetic toward racists because they are either closet racists themselves or they are so unprincipled that they'd rather appease racists than lose votes.
How did you get the impression that I think that? Can you not distinguish between being apologetic and writing a KKK rally off as unimportant?
I was speaking in earnest. If you can't meet me there, fine.
Is your point that we shouldn't be concerned about aggressive acts of anti-Semitism, racism, and general acts of hate as long as they're isolated incidences?
What does condemning them look like for you? Is it shutting down their rights to free speech and freedom of assembly, or arguing against them on substantive and principled grounds? As I see it, those bums in the field burning a swastika are doing less to threaten the fabric of American society than are the rabid and reactionary leftists who want to shut down, through hate, sexism, and racism of their own, every form of thinking that isn't in line with theirs. If you think that neo-Nazis in America are on the verge of some holocaustal rampage, you've not only fallen off your rocker, but also bounced off the porch and into the gutter. Posts like Cava's merely serve as straw men against the right so that there is mass hysteria over Nazis and white supremacists and whomever else, all the while done in an attempt to distract you from the slow genocide of differing opinions and ideas that goes on in colleges and universities. Perhaps you're too old and stuck in the suburbs to see this, but it's frankly ridiculous that people legitimately worry about Nazis in the 21st century.
What does condemning them look like for you? Is it shutting down their rights to free speech and freedom of assembly, or arguing against them on substantive and principled grounds?
I'm not sure neo-Nazis are up for a substantive argument. My view is that they be subjected to public ridicule, be ostracized, and be excluded from civil society, not through violating their free speech rights, but by exposing them for what they are, and by warning the ignorant of their presence and danger.Quoting Buxtebuddha
As I see it, those bums in the field burning a swastika are doing less to threaten the fabric of American society than are the rabid and reactionary leftists who want to shut down, through hate, sexism, and racism of their own, every form of thinking that isn't in line with theirs.
And because you rank evil X higher than evil Y, we must ignore evil Y? You're being illogical.Quoting Buxtebuddha
If you think that neo-Nazis in America are on the verge of some holocaustal rampage, you've not only fallen off your rocker, but also bounced off the porch and into the gutter.
And so if they aren't going to systematically murder people, they pose no danger? Again, this isn't well reasoned at all. Quoting Buxtebuddha
all the while done in an attempt to distract you from the slow genocide of differing opinions and ideas that goes on in colleges and universities.
I'm not sure how condemning Nazis furthers the liberal agenda. I also don't know what a slow figurative genocide is, or whatever illogical non-sequiter metaphor you're painting.Quoting Buxtebuddha
Posts like Cava's merely serve as straw men against the right so that there is mass hysteria over Nazis and white supremacists and whomever else,
The picture he posted was a factual one that spoke to the fact that in 2018 there exists horrible hate and ignorance. It wasn't an editorial cartoon. It was a picture of an event a couple hours drive from my house. Quoting Buxtebuddha
Perhaps you're too old and stuck in the suburbs to see this, but it's frankly ridiculous that people legitimately worry about Nazis in the 21st century.
It pains me really to read this. I hope I'm never too old and too safe to remember - Zachor. www.zachorfoundation.org
I'm not sure neo-Nazis are up for a substantive argument. My view is that they be subjected to public ridicule, be ostracized, and be excluded from civil society, not through violating their free speech rights, but by exposing them for what they are, and by warning the ignorant of their presence and danger.
Public ridicule, ostracizing, exclusion from civil society - hmm, are you sure you're not the Nazi, here? Perhaps in addition to treating neo-Nazis like cattle you'd also require them to sew a swastika on their shirt so everyone knows "them for what they are." After all, shaming is the best way of building bridges of sympathy and understanding, just ask the gays, and the gypsies, and the disabled, and the juice, and the...
I'm not sure how condemning Nazis furthers the liberal agenda. I also don't know what a slow figurative genocide is, or whatever illogical non-sequiter metaphor you're painting.
Were you to move outside your comfy upscale Southern suburb, perhaps my illogical non-sequitur metaphor will prove itself to be nothing of the sort.
The picture he posted was a factual one that spoke to the fact that in 2018 there exists horrible hate and ignorance. It wasn't an editorial cartoon. It was a picture of an event a couple hours drive from my house.
I absolutely agree that there exists horrible hate and ignorance in America today, and you are a perfect example of it.
It pains me really to read this. I hope I'm never too old and too safe to remember - Zachor.
You would do well to remember the pitch and tenor of hate that helped spawn Nazism in the first place. Fighting hate with hate serves no productive end.
Perhaps not a danger danger, but I do think it's pretty silly for people to resonate with Nazi symbolism on some ideological basis. I find Nazi Germany and the politics, economics, etc. surrounding the time period to be immensely interesting, but that doesn't mean I'm a Nazi or fail to see how destructive and backwards much of the ideology was, just as not every one who studies Russian history is a Marxist.
But to answer your question more directly, I think the danger with "neo-Nazis" in America is the allowance for equally extreme positions on the other side of the political spectrum. In other words, for every Nazi there's some Marxist millennial with their hair on fire and screaming about this and that. There's also the issue of Nazi imagery being used simply for shock value as a ploy to garner attention. Without reading up on these people you might think that they've all read Mein Kampf and fancy bald heads across the board, but it's not really the case. Obviously lots do, but once again, there is this narrative which paints America as this racist, sexist juggernaut of a failed state with Nazis roping down chimneys and police offers murdering blacks in genocidal massacres. Sorry, but that's all, as I said earlier, rabid and reactionary nonsense.
Public ridicule, ostracizing, exclusion from civil society - hmm, are you sure you're not the Nazi, here?
A Nazi is one advocating the systematic slaughter of non-Aryans. My opposition to that chosen ideology is reasonable and earned. Do you disagree?Quoting Buxtebuddha
Perhaps in addition to treating neo-Nazis like cattle you'd also require them to sew a swastika on their shirt so everyone knows "them for what they are."
They voluntarily wear that insignia and they recently burned a swastika proudly for all to see.Quoting Buxtebuddha
After all, shaming is the best way of building bridges of sympathy and understanding, just ask the gays, and the gypsies, and the disabled, and the juice, and the...
And we ought sympathize with Nazis? Do you currently have such sympathies?Quoting Buxtebuddha
Were you to move outside your comfy upscale Southern suburb, perhaps my illogical non-sequitur metaphor will prove itself to be nothing of the sort.
This is just really illogical. I can't make sense of your correlation between my deep red suburb, Nazis, the rural Georgia community of the photo, liberals, and whetever you live.Quoting Buxtebuddha
You would do well to remember the pitch and tenor of hate that helped spawn Nazism in the first place. Fighting hate with hate serves no productive end.
Is this a justification for the rise of the Third Reich?
I find Nazi Germany and the politics, economics, etc. surrounding the time period to be immensely interesting, but that doesn't mean I'm a Nazi or fail to see how destructive and backwards much of the ideology was, just as not every one who studies Russian history is a Marxist.
As a neutral observer, where did he say or imply that there was anything good about Nazism?
One can be fascinated in many things while also finding them horrific, e.g. serial killers. I'm simultaneously fascinated and horrified by snakes.
And imo it is fascinating in a certain sense to consider the Nazi movement, more specifically, considering the causes which led a relatively advanced people with a sophisticated culture to succumb to Hitler and his racist, expansionist vision for Germany.
But perhaps you're thinking the word "fascinating" implies the person using it has some sort of sympathy with whatever it is they're describing in those terms? I don't think it necessarily does, but I can see the possible connection in many cases.
In other words, for every Nazi there's some Marxist millennial with their hair on fire and screaming about this and that.
That girl's hair wasn't on fire. She was a redhead.
I agree that neo-Nazis (basically white supremacists), aren't particularly dangerous. But white supremacists took over the Southeast once before during the 1890's and they continued to govern until the 1960s. I think it would be worthwhile to understand how it happened the first time if we're pondering whether it could happen again.
I think the US is too integrated now for it to be a regional thing. If it happened again it would be total and probably in the midst of an economic depression (such as the one that happened in the 1890s.)
They voluntarily wear that insignia and they recently burned a swastika proudly for all to see.
Because they are free to, just as they are free to burn things on their property. You, however, are not free to rob them of voluntarily expressing their thoughts and opinions, however terrible you might think that they are. If you want to force them under a rock instead of debating them in public, then you've no intellectual integrity. Were you confident in your position, you wouldn't seek to silence opposition to it.
And we ought sympathize with Nazis? Do you currently have such sympathies?
There's no middle ground with you, is there? I said that shaming is not the best way of moving forward. Once again, instead of assuming what I think, perhaps read what I have written and stop extrapolating things out of thin air?
This is just really illogical. I can't make sense of your correlation between my deep red suburb, Nazis, the rural Georgia community of the photo, liberals, and whetever you live.
Well, I guess you should check your privilege and find out that correlation for yourself, *shrug*.
Is this a justification for the rise of the Third Reich?
What does this have to do with what I said? You've attempted to move the goal posts with every single reply you've made here, jesus. And besides, the Third Reich ended on the 23rd of May, 1945. There is no Third Reich to be risen.
Okay, lemme see if I can get this straight. You 1) presume that those swastika burning rednecks in a field want to exterminate every non-Aryan people, B) want to establish the Third Reich, and C) are fanboys of a nation that had nothing good going on it. Frankly, Hanover, I think you need to stop being so offended and willing to strawman me into oblivion tonight and read some history. What I'm saying here is not unreasonable or nuts. And it would seem that others agree with that characterization to some extent.
As a neutral observer, where did he say or imply that there was anything good about Nazism?
He said "much" of Nazism was wrong, so I asked that he highlight the good parts. He also said he disagreed that my opposition to Nazism was not reasonable.
I agree that neo-Nazis (basically white supremacists), aren't particularly dangerous. But white supremacists took over the Southeast once before during the 1890's and they continued to govern until the 1960s. I think it would be worthwhile to understand how it happened the first time if we're pondering whether it could happen again.
I think the US is too integrated now for it to be a regional thing. If it happened again it would be total and probably in the midst of an economic depression (such as the one that happened in the 1890s.)
I'm not sure what's more dangerously racist and sexist - people who judge me negatively for being a white straight male, or white supremacists who don't like black people and Catholics...
I'm not sure what's more dangerously racist and sexist - people who judge me negatively for being a white straight male, or white supremacists who don't like black people and Catholics...
Neither has much power right now. Who judged you harshly for being a white straight male?
Who judged you harshly for being a white straight male?
I've been deep in the bowels of academia, so many, many people. If you've not been on a college campus in decades, you won't understand the sorts of things going on in many of them.
You, however, are not free to rob them of voluntarily expressing their thoughts and opinions, however terrible you might think that they are. If you want to force them under a rock instead of debating them in public, then you've no intellectual integrity. Were you confident in your position, you wouldn't seek to silence opposition to it.
I've not attempted to violate their free speech rights, but I don't think their views are worthy of debate. Do you disagree? Quoting Buxtebuddha
There's no middle ground with you, is there? I said that shaming is not the best way of moving forward. Once again, instead of assuming what I think, perhaps read what I have written and stop extrapolating things out of thin air?
I made no assumptions. I asked a question and you didn't respond. Quoting Buxtebuddha
Okay, lemme see if I can get this straight. You 1) presume that those swastika burning rednecks in a field want to exterminate every non-Aryan people, B) want to establish the Third Reich, and C) are fanboys of a nation that had nothing good going on it. Frankly, Hanover, I think you need to stop being so offended and willing to strawman me into oblivion tonight and read some history. What I'm saying here is not unreasonable or nuts. And it would seem that others agree with that characterization to some extent.
I asked what you felt the good part of Nazi Germany was and the above was your non-response. Again, what did the Nazis do right? Do you approve of the removal of non-whites for the betterment of society? Do you believe whites are superior to non-whites? Do you think Jews are evil? I make no assumptions. I'm just asking.
He said "much" of Nazism was wrong, so I asked that he highlight the good parts. He also said he disagreed that my opposition to Nazism was not reasonable.
I made no assumptions. I asked a question and you didn't respond.
Nah, son, I've stayed on topic here, don't throw the coals back in my lap. You were and are fully able to address what I originally wrote, but have chosen not to. Either way, the ball still remains in your court and I await substantive answers from you...unless of course I also am not worthy of debate because I disagree with you, :lol:
I asked what you felt the good part of Nazi Germany was and the above was your non-response. Again, what did the Nazis do right? Do you approve of the removal of non-whites for the betterment of society? Do you believe whites are superior to non-whites? Do you think Jews are evil? I make no assumptions. I'm just asking.
Your point seems to be that whatever head of government is in power, then nothing good ever transpired in the nation during that government's existence. If so, then Nazi Germany being utterly devoid of good must make Trump's America equally devoid of good, and every other government that has done terrible things or are thought to be doing ill.
I asked what you felt the good part of Nazi Germany was and the above was your non-response. Again, what did the Nazis do right? Do you approve of the removal of non-whites for the betterment of society? Do you believe whites are superior to non-whites? Do you think Jews are evil? I make no assumptions. I'm just asking.
— Hanover
Your point seems to be that whatever head of government is in power, then nothing good ever transpired in the nation during that government's existence. If so, then Nazi Germany being utterly devoid of good must make Trump's America equally devoid of good, and every other government that has done terrible things or are thought to be doing ill.
Count: there are 4 question marks and zero responses.
Reply to frank Nah, just human. A non-American human at that, so I don't have to tiptoe around calling Nazis fucksticks, because it'll hurt the feelings of some snowflake somewhere.
Count: there are 4 question marks and zero responses.
None of those questions relate to my own arguments and so they are red herrings. I'm under no obligation to entertain your attempts to smear my opinion. It's sadly clear that you just want to label me a Nazi, ban me, and be done with it. I can see no other reason why you have purposefully gone on with asking questions unrelated to my responses.
Nah, just human. A non-American human at that, so I don't have to tiptoe around calling Nazis fucksticks, because it'll hurt the feelings of some snowflake somewhere.
Reply to frank As far as not having to deal with a fucked-up political culture, where apparently Nazis are par for the course and in need of defending, it's pretty nice.
We won't even think twice about banning Nazi sympathizers. As the guidelines state we don't consider their views worthy of debate (and as it happens they also tend to be very unintelligent low-quality posters). The primary issues Nazism represents are anti-semitism and the holocaust, which are both indefensible. So, if any poster wants to discuss the merits of Nazism or defend Nazis or thinks Nazis are oppressed, they don't belong here and they will be banned.
Anyway, the answer was yes, Republicans need to see white supremacists as benign. If a real threat was perceived, they'd have to abandon Republican unity or just give up and support the Democrats.
Obviously.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 26, 2018 at 12:50#1741770 likes
No one is saying that you must remain an American. That is one of the beautiful things about being American is that you can leave the USA anytime you desire, give up your citizenship and stop being an American. The door is open all you need to do is step through :point: , then you too can be 'Awesome'. :clap:
(no disrespect to Yaha's possession of Awesomeness)
I'd like Turkish citizenship, please. I want to live near Gobekli Tepe and sell handmade junk to boutiques in Japan.
I can absolutely put you in connection with a friend who is a Turkish citizen living in Istanbul and then from there I am sure you can navigate the outskirts of town and safely sell trinkets.
Did you want to carry a dual citizenship for a little bit just in case Turkey doesn't work out?
Btw: have you checked into what becoming a citizen of Turkey requires? If you haven't I have linked you to the requirements.
Yay! Could you set up a go-fund-me too? I'm going to pack my duds. Oh wait. They're already packed. :(
Frank, I can respect your desire to leave the USA and I would even try to help you if I felt that it was a safe thing to do. You see, I am a Mom and I just cannot say, with truth on my lips, that you are going to be successful (however you define successful) going to a foreign land, to start a new life, beginning with a go-fund-me page.
I am open to ideas and hopefully you are too, because I would feel a lot better about your going with a few more coins in your pocket. Fair?
No one is saying that you must remain an American. That is one of the beautiful things about being American is that you can leave the USA anytime you desire, give up your citizenship and stop being an American. The door is open all you need to do is step through :point: , then you too can be 'Awesome'. :clap:
(no disrespect to Yaha's possession of Awesomeness)
Actually, if you plan to give up your citizenship and plan to come back later and get it back, you better write it in pencil where you can erase it. I knew a guy who wrote in pen and he's still in Turkey and can't get past the green beans.
Tip your waitresses guys. They're working hard for you.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 26, 2018 at 13:49#1742040 likes
Actually, if you plan to give up your citizenship and plan to come back later and get it back, you better write it in pencil where you can erase it. I knew a guy who wrote in pen and he's still in Turkey and can't get past the green beans.
Do you really think that someone that wishes to leave the USA for Turkey will ever wish to come back? Spare me. Don't bother reading it and sign it in pen. You attorneys always looking out for the good of others. Have you no shame? Hanover we must encourage growth and enrichment of others souls.
There is a boldness in honesty, but now you need to be actually bold. It sounds uncomfortable for you, so I now give you permission to say whatever sarcastic, mean spirited, and awkwardly honest thing you want to say about me. Go ahead. It'll be a growing experience.
Why don't you ever make this offer to someone who might actually take you up on it? Do you have any idea how long I have been playing the "Last Word" thread? You, YOU move goal posts a LOT and whistle as you walk away. Like those who act as though it was not their dog that just took a dump on an otherwise empty sidewalk.
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff Oh, Tiff, you haven't a truly mean bone in your body. I give you the right to take your best jab at me. It will no doubt have some playfully cutting remark, but it will be kind because you are kind, so I'd never challenge you to be mean because that would be mean. I've seen you angry, but never mean. It's just not you.
Take you best shot, now that I've buttered you up...
Oh, Tiff, you haven't a truly mean bone in your body. I give you the right to take your best jab at me. It will no doubt have some playfully cutting remark, but it will be kind because you are kind, so I'd never challenge you to be mean because that would be mean. I've seen you angry, but never mean. It's just not you.
Take you best shot, now that I've buttered you up...
Well gosh Hanover, when you put it that way, it would feel wrong to be mean to you, really.
I am the kind of person who would apologize to you, for @Baden hurting your feelings like he did.
I am the kind of person that would jump on anyone that attacks @unenlightened and I am one to circle the wagons when one of us @Agustino seems to have disappeared.
I just cannot be mean, it is not my nature. Witty? Yes. Sarcastic? To the point I have no idea when I am being sarcastic and when I am not.
But loving is the way for me, positive is the vibe I desire and I am happy to be who I am. Mean or not.
Hmm what I wrote seems to justify what you say but I still feel the need, to be able to take a jab at you, not to actually take a jab at you. Does that make sense?
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 26, 2018 at 23:50#1742920 likes
I'm wondering if Kanye's barrage of conservative tweets are sincere or if it's mainly to drive hype, attention, and controversy prior to his album release, as is often the case with him.
I'm not sure at this point that Kanye even knows. I think at this point it's just sheer insinct, 'the kind of thing a Kayne does'. It's actually pretty Nietzschian!
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 27, 2018 at 13:11#1743740 likes
Reply to Michael
I must say that I never thought I would see the loving gestures I have seen between two leaders whose countries have lost sight of what they were fighting for. Decades, generations of anger, resentment and rage will be replaced with a clean slate to build a new relationship upon. A slate that will look delicate but whose new ways will need to be etched in stone. I wish for all the world a peaceful path, a stable path, in which these two arch enemies may find commonality as they navigate the unknown, trust for one another. It is a leap of faith but one that is worth taking.
And to the families who have been separated for far too long? Together, we can answer your prayers, together we can make your dreams come true, together we will move forward into a better tomorrow. I cannot go alone, you cannot go alone but we can go together.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 27, 2018 at 13:25#1743760 likes
[quote=Hanover]I tell Baden I accidently had sex with his stupid fucking dog last night thinking it was his mom[/quote]
The things I wake up too :yikes:
I love aphorisms. Any interesting, useful, or valuable philosophical principle can be expressed in one or two sentences. Example:
Any interesting, useful, or valuable philosophical principle can be expressed in one or two sentences.
I love making lists. I use them instead of @syntax ‘s “metanarratives.” Lists of made up band names. Examples - Bob go Boom, Pretty How Town. Lists of women’s names that make me fall in love with them without ever meeting them. Examples – Tan Vo, Denise Georgeopolis. Lists of fictional chemical substances. Examples – upsydasium, hushaboom (both from Rocky and Bullwinkle, bless them). Here’s a list of fortune cookie fortunes I came up with a while ago.
[i]You have wasted your life.
Brush your teeth three times a day.
I am not Chinese.
You are going to die.
You are a fool.
Jump. Now.
Never buy Chinese food from a restaurant with Caucasian waiters.
Know yourself.
You will make love to an overweight, 65-year-old civil engineer.
You will never be happy.
Drink eight glasses of water every day.
I am closer to enlightenment than you are.
Listen to your heart.
Pay me back the money you owe me.
I love you very much.
Ralph Nader is responsible for the war in Iraq.
Never vote for a Republican.
Nobody loves you.
The truth that can be spoken is not the eternal truth.
You are not very attractive
You have made a terrible mistake.
Your lover has been unfaithful.
You should be ashamed.
Give up hope.
Don’t do it.
Your lucky number is 3.14159…..
You are a bad person.
Your personal hygiene is impeccable.
You will never forgive yourself.
You are not a good lover.
Have your car’s brakes checked.
Don’t believe her.
No one likes your children
You are a failure.
You are not an effective public speaker.
I will grant you just one wish.
I am working for minimum wage.
You will never be famous.
Fortune cookies were invented in California.
The best years of your life are over.
The world will come to an end on April 12, 2026.
You will never see him again.
Don’t eat the cookie.[/i]
It is a sign of the high regard in which you are held that you are the only person on the forum who could get away with ridiculing someone for being a lesbian. And without even an emoji.
Should I add an emoji to my message?
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 27, 2018 at 17:35#1743990 likes
It is a sign of the high regard in which you are held that you are the only person on the forum who could get away with ridiculing someone for being a lesbian. And without even an emoji.
I am easing his struggles as he attempts to come out of the closet, like a little caterpillar cocooned in the web of his own confusion, hidden in the warmth of ignorance until the truth causes his tiny little head to digest into itself and in a warm soup of gooey goodness he transforms into the moth that he has long been destined for, flying away forever with his lawyer Cecil into the sunset. *cue music.
Combining this innocuous (and useless) comment with @T Clark's playful (and autistic) penchant for lists, I've come up with the following interesting (and clever) list of my own:
I was going to go on a hike, but...
I couldn't find the right size body bag for my date.
My recently castrated dog is still limping and seeping.
I am emotionally stable so I don't require escaping from people.
I can be just as lonely and alone here with my cat.
The woods are beyond the range of my house arrest ankle bracelet.
All @Baden ever wants to do when we go is play "Brokeback Mountain."
I lost my left foot to diabetes.
No matter where you go, there is no joy, no happiness, and a complete absence of God, so I might as well stay here.
I would be out of cell phone range and couldn't post these rays of sunshine.
Feel free to add as you see fit.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 28, 2018 at 13:26#1745110 likes
I am stressing about my youngest son's final exams, how he will do and I cannot monitor his grades from there.
My female Rottweiler is in her first season and she is an emotional ball of anger switching to instant lush and might decide she wants the Coyote we pass on the hiking path.
I wouldn't be able to see the trail. I need cheater glasses but not all the time, hence the name cheaters but in the Arizona sun I need to wear sunglasses outside, which are not cheaters. So I can hike blind but shaded or can see but will burn out my retinas.
It is shift C at the firehouse today and well, tomorrow is shift A and shift A are definitely worth a hike to get stuck during.
I would be too far away from my male Rottweiler, who is making me lose my mind as he has been scratching, whining, howling and trying to use brute force to get to my bitch in heat.
A young inventor (of an obscure dental device) buys a house. The surrounding property is sterile, with river rocks instead of mulch and some kind of japanese grass that produces no food for the local birds and bees. The youngster spends decades nurturing a lush garden until he becomes old and discovers that he can no longer hold back the tide of wysteria that's engulfing the garden and killing the trees. He has a contractor come in and cut down the trees, create cement patios that need no maintenance and to make sure the wysteria doesn't come back, he replaces the wood mulch with river rocks. One rainy afternoon, the inventor died from a stroke while he was working in his basement workshop
The property went up for sale and was bought by a young museum curator with bad teeth. Her heart pained by the sterility of the property, she set out to grow a lush garden.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 28, 2018 at 14:16#1745190 likes
Jessi Lynn looked across the paved garden, a single tear dripping down her meth pocked skin, her two front teeth hanging on by sinew flapping in the wind, until she cried out "Why dear Jesus had some man comed from way yonder and done killed alls that purty and green?!" She raised her arms toward the heavens revealing her concave gut perforated by a single piercing of her leathery prison tattooed skin.
But for her job as head museum curator, she had little to show for her 20 years on this earth, spent mostly collecting cans and playing cribbage, but she was intent on righting the wrong that was this garden. She would cure it, she thought, because she was a curator. The pun catching her off guard, causing her to laugh hysterically in her sex infused deep phlegm way, a tooth dislodging, spitting spinning across the black fecal aromaed garden.
The property went up for sale and was bought by a young museum curator with bad teeth. Her heart pained by the sterility of the property, she set out to grow a lush garden.
How about this. How about why you should go on a hike.
1. Because you need to exercise your brittle little body since you were never breastfed.
2. Because Pippy Longstocking said so.
3. Because Fred is losing his mind being stuck inside all day in a dingy little house with old, unsightly furniture that tells of a tale of a plain-featured man with no life.
4. Because you would be out of range and we could all have a break from your objectionable posts.
One of life's great mysteries. We need more discussions about sld. What is it? Where does it come from? What does it taste like? How do we worship it? Why does no one ever remember bringing it up? And what were we talking about again?
Awww I forgot about @Baden and his Benkei time. :yum:
I find it a tad funny that Benkei is pronounced Binky in English and well baden is definitely old enough to give up his Binky, ya know?
Not really. I've always been of prudent and puritanical nature. Perhaps, I'm just too Platonic. Sex always seemed to me like a disgusting ritual to me. A part of me wants to die a virgin, yet, I'm not really religious in any sense of the word.
I guess I'm really Buddhist though, I lack the compassionate element which is a sine qua non to be a bona fide Buddhist.
So your mum thinks you're attracted to men because you don't show interest in women, even though you also don't show interest in men – which, for it to be consistent, must suggest to your mum that you're straight.
London curry is better than NYC curry, but I've never gotten so sick from NYC curry that it kept me up all night, as London curry did once. I guess that's what I get from getting chicken tikka masala from Brick Lane.
One last alternative that makes everything fine in dandy is that I'm asexual.
I was going to give you the term if you hadn't come up with it. I worked with an author who lived down under, he was asexual and we had long conversations about it or the lack of the drive or satisfaction that others know as normal sexual needs/wants/desires.
I am glad I learned about asexual people because call me whatever you wish, they are some of the most intelligent people to be around and are never distracted with sexual temptations and common dog whistles.
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 30, 2018 at 13:20#1748510 likes
Also what's up with this hackneyed outrage over Michelle Wolf at the White House Correspondence Dinner?
:brow:
No real outrage just the :fire: blaze :fire: of total lack of class that will be known as the last Washington Correspondence dinner.
Even the most seasoned correspondents were horrified. There is verbal jousting, verbal roasting and there is the vomit that Wolf spewed over her audience. :vomit:
Sanders gets up there in the White House press room and lies incessantly for the money and prestige the job brings. That's far more objectionable and damaging than anything a comedian could say at a roast. So, no sympathy for her whatsoever. She deserves far worse than someone telling the truth about her. And I didn't hear much conservative outrage when Trump was calling Hillary out on her lies in the coarsest way he could. On the contrary, jigs of delight were being danced at his "honesty".
ArguingWAristotleTiffApril 30, 2018 at 14:13#1748620 likes
What comments, precisely, demonstrated a lack of class?
Obviously Baden understood and he feels it justified, so? I am willing to let the legacy of this White House Correspondence Dinner stand on it's own, honestly.
As far as lacking class? Think about how history will reflect on a joke made about how worthless someone in the administration is, equating someone to an empty box of tampons.
Or the Aunt Lydia comment? Have you read 'The Handmaid's Tale? Do you think anyone in the audience has?
So your mum thinks you're attracted to men because you don't show interest in women, even though you also don't show interest in men – which, for it to be consistent, must suggest to your mum that you're straight.
Her conclusion is logical, just inaccurate. It is assumed that people are sexual, and if they're not attracted to the opposite sex, it is assumed they are concealing their attraction to the same sex because in many circles it's unacceptable to admit to that attraction.
I thought her comparison of Ivanka Trump's pseudo-feminism to an empty box of tampons was fairly apt. Is it The New Yorker style of comedy? No, but the WHCD has always featured coarse comedians, and I can't think of a better time for button-pushing and scathing critique, than under this administration, which has been far more classless than anything Wolf uttered. Again, the outrage is unjustified, and hypocritical.
After much thought, I’ve determined that I’m pizza-pan sexual. Any variety or style of pizza is simply irresistible. Anchovies, broccoli, and goat cheese on a Chicago-style crust? Oh baby! :nerd:
Seriously though, been on a low-carb diet for about 2 months now. Highly recommended to give it a try. I mistakenly thought it was mostly hype before, and that dietary fat was the enemy. Feels great, no hunger pangs. Lost only about 8 pounds, but it just seems much healthier. Sugar and refined flours taste great to us, but also to the viruses and cancer cells within our bodies. They also like reality TV and romance novels. Who knew? :grin:
But seriously @ArguingWAristotleTiff, Sanders and her lying ilk (I'd include Hillary if she was even relevant any more) are a danger to your democracy and you're worried about Tampon jokes. Why?
It's not like this Sanders lady didn't know what she was getting herself into when she decided to attend the event. Should the comedian have run her gags by Trump and gang, or his army of noble crybabies, for censorship beforehand?
I'm not that familiar with protocol at Washington Press Corps events, but it is does seem like the level of comedy might have been a tad inappropriate and unfit for, let's say, the queen of England had she been in attendance. Of course she wasn't, having to be back in England doing a whole lot of nothing.
I am of the mindset that menstrual jokes are ALWAYS funny, so I don't fully understand the uproar there. And let's be clear here, she didn't talk about a spent bloody tampon with clumped white semen remnants, nor did she talk about a tampon inserted and in use with the tail-like string dangling out, making one wonder whether a mouse had climbed inside a lass' cooter pie. She just talked about the box, and tampon boxes are pretty funny, especially when they're near toilet paper that is typically used to clean away bloody diarrhea from one's taint.
I hope I have risen to the occasion to fulfill @Baden's request that I always remain classy.
My favorite scene from one of my favorite movies. Made in 1984. I remember watching it at the drive-in while my infant son (33 next Saturday) screamed in the back seat.
I wanted to post this to another discussion, but it was closed. My intention is not to reopen it, just to help put some of the great philosophers in an valid historical perspective.
But seriously ArguingWAristotleTiff, Sanders and her lying ilk (I'd include Hillary if she was even relevant any more) are a danger to your democracy and you're worried about Tampon jokes. Why?
Like I said there is no real outrage just total lack of class and that is a personal opinion. I LOVED the WCD, loved, loved, loved the dinner. Each year I would make a point of watching it in real time because it is like the Super Bowl Halftime show for political/journalist junkies, it was the best!
But this WCD was an attack on someone who had no chance to defend herself even though she was seated two chairs away from the lectern. Sorry, not my style, not what I want, won't waste my time.
An example of one of the best WCD in my opinion. Please take ten minutes to watch it again and tell me if you can see the difference between the two senses of humor
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 01, 2018 at 12:03#1751240 likes
But this WCD was an attack on someone who had no chance to defend herself even though she was seated two chairs away from the lectern. Sorry, not my style, not what I want, won't waste my time.
There have been a number of male comedians at WCD, in the past decade, who attacked attendees who couldn't "defend" themselves. If comments made by Michelle Wolf "lacked class" then so too did Conan, Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel, Joel McHale, et. al. Not sure why that matters though, as those who are "attacked" are all well paid, influential individuals, who work in the public realm and are open to public scrutiny and criticism. It's not Wolf's fault that Sanders regularly lies on behalf of this bankrupt administration.
@Maw
Like I said there is no real outrage. All of it was within the bounds of the absurd but she broke one of the Cardinal rules of comedians which you only roast those you love. :heart:
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff I'm just trying to understand how you love previous WHC dinners, when previous hosts have routinely engaged in the "classless" roasts you now find deplorable and a "waste of your time".
Nah Lacan despised what he called depth psychology and even Freud warned against the 'black mud tide' of occultism (to Jung's face!) which is just about the best description of Jung's mutilation of psychoanalysis that I know.
Freud and Lacan aren't the most evidence oriented thinkers either. I don't see good reasons to favour one (Freud, Lacan, Jung) over another other than 'it yields more interesting interpretations of things'. Which is largely determined by what people have worked on already.
What makes 'occult' a reasonable slur of Jung and not of the other two when Freud has literal castration complexes and vaginal phantom penises and Lacan started describing a collective unconscious all of his own?
Reply to StreetlightX That's hilarious. I was just talking about Jung with someone in a coffee shop, and we both discussed how stupid Jungian archetypes are.
I think there's a lot of easy points to score adversarially vs any of the big three psychoanalysts. Jung was mystical and unrigorous; may as well be a chronicler of myths with a psychological gloss. Freud stretches generalisations from casework well beyond breaking point (penis envy/castration anxiety, come on...), Lacan does the same (mirror stage = fragmented self, really?) as well as having a very eclectic use of mathematics in his system of interpretation (in which the unconscious is literally a torus, for example).
If you take them all with a pinch (more like a giant vat) of salt, they can be pretty illuminating at times. A little understanding of Freud's unconscious is worthwhile to understand its theoretical and ideological wakes, an understanding of language and desire in Lacan is worthwhile if you're interested in post-structuralism and its descendants (like Badiou and Zizek).
There's probably an alternate history where Jung was the dominant force during the inculcation of psychoanalysis. Where people speak of shadows rather than unconscious desires, the anima/animus distinction instead of penis envy/castration anxiety and its derivatives, and the archetypes of the collective unconscious instead of the four discourses.
What was interesting about them wasn't how right they are, it's how the world looks when viewed from somewhere near their vantage point.
I don't share Street's strong antipathy towards Jung, I just find Lacan more interesting. I agree there are easy openings for attack with all the big three.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 02, 2018 at 01:36#1753050 likes
Can you guess the name of the song based on the lyrics listed below without any help from the Internet?
"It's 9 o'clock on a Saturday the regular crowd shuffles in, there is an old man sitting next to me making love to his Tonic and Gin...
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff Here's one!
"We looked down the river and we see'd the British come and there must'a been a hundred of them beatin' on the drum. They stepped so high and made their bugles ring, we stood beside our cotton bales and didn't say a thing..."
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 02, 2018 at 02:08#1753270 likes
Okay here is one:
"She came from Providence, born in Rhode Island
Where the old world shadows hang heavy in the air
She packed her hopes and dreams like a refugee,
Just as her father came across the sea..."
What was interesting about them wasn't how right they are, it's how the world looks when viewed from somewhere near their vantage point.
Eh, 'archetypes' and 'shadows' hew far too close to ghosts and spooky woojoo for me to take with any measure of seriousness, and at least Frued and Lacan had the merit of at least trying to ground their theories in developmental account of the subject, without the invocation of all sorts of mystical crap. Jung basically tried to Platonize psychoanalysis (against its Kantian/Schopenhauerian inspiration), which I basically find unforgiveable.
Also, I just watched Wolf's WHCD set, and it' was amazinggg. It was the best one since Colbert's set however many years ago. The butthurt by snowflakes on all sides is as funny as the set itself was.
Also, asking 'where numbers exist' is just a stupid question. Grammar gone mad.
When you have to invent some other-worldy realm in order for your question to make sense, then then one's question is a shitty one. But that's to be expected from Plato who is the worst thing to happen to philosophy ever.
Who cares what the alternatives are - even though you're clearly aware they exist. One doesn't have to ask for alternatives to square circles to say that they're nonsense.
Also, I just watched Wolf's WHCD set, and it' was amazinggg. It was the best one since Colbert's set however many years ago. The butthurt by snowflakes on all sides is as funny as the set itself was.
Geez. Don't you guys have better things to do than watch half-assed American political humor. Isn't anyone in Australia funny?
How about Flight of the Conchords? They're pretty funny.
Well, duh. Thank you for the opportunity to gloat.
Anyway, no one can tell the difference, not even Aussies and Kiwis. That's why there is so much interbreeding and why there are so many sterile hybrids walking around down there.
Anyway, no one can tell the difference, not even Aussies and Kiwis. That's why there is so much interbreeding and why there are so many sterile hybrids walking around down there.
Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg said in a meeting Tuesday with media executives that the company has begun implementing a system of ranking news organizations by trust, relying on user surveys to determine which news sources are “broadly trusted.”
Mayor of SimpletonMay 02, 2018 at 14:25#1754220 likes
If I'm not mistaken the combined populations of the USA and Canada are a bit under 5% of the total world population, so the combined 17% representation on Facebook is greatly disproportionate toward representing actual world population; thus favoring a bias toward influence from within. http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
The news article didn't broach how they will establish this but Facebook did test 6 news feeds to various countries last year and then decided that most respondent countries preferred one news feed, which is then divided into photos and content.
I suppose Cambridge Analytica might do their survey questionnaires :rofl:
Also, I just watched Wolf's WHCD set, and it' was amazinggg. It was the best one since Colbert's set however many years ago
I just used Colbert's set with George Bush as an example in another thread how humor can legitimately be used unkindly. I sometimes go back and watch the video. So brutal. I admire Colbert, although I don't find his current show very funny.
Reply to T Clark I don't much care enough for the history of the American presidency to give a well informed answer. I'm sure there were one or two that got shot before they could do the requisite damage though.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 02, 2018 at 15:50#1754480 likes
I don't much care enough for the history of the American presidency to give a well informed answer. I'm sure there were one or two that got shot before they could do the requisite damage though.
Yeah, you know just enough so you can feel self-righteous and superior. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Anyway, W.H. Harrison died after 31 days in office, so he's probably ok.
Yeah, you know just enough so you can feel self-righteous and superior. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Well I didn't start an unnecessary war based on fabricated evidence that cost hundreds and thousands of lives - American ones included! - so you may be on to something there!
Well I didn't start an unnecessary war based on fabricated evidence that cost hundreds and thousands of lives - American ones included! - so you may be on to something there!
You'll get no argument from me there. One of the reasons I don't get excited about President Trump is I can't imagine him doing more damage to our national security, national morality, than Bush did. Assuming, of course, he doesn't get us in a war with Russia.
It seems the likes of Thorongil are more likely to get upset over someone like Street criticizing one of their presidents than the fact that said president's actions resulted in the death of half a million people.Take a moment to digest that.
Should make an onion article. 'Children Flee Cinema After Seeing Trailer for Remastering of Watership Down'.
I remember when my children were young, probably 2, 7, and 10, we were playing "Clerks." I had heard about it and it didn't sound bad. My wife and I were in the kitchen while my children were watching it. I walked back in the TV room and a scene was showing where the clerk at the adult video place next to the convenience store was reading out a list of videos over the telephone. They were the most vile, obscene titles you can imagine. I looked over at my kids. I don't think the 2 or 7 year-olds got it at all, but my daughter's eyes looked like saucers. Anyway, I turned it off.
I remember when my children were young, probably 2, 7, and 10, we were playing "Clerks." I had heard about it and it didn't sound bad. My wife and I were in the kitchen while my children were watching it. I walked back in the TV room and a scene was showing where the clerk at the adult video place next to the convenience store was reading out a list of videos over the telephone. They were the most vile, obscene titles you can imagine. I looked over at my kids. I don't think the 2 or 7 year-olds got it at all, but my daughters eyes looked like saucers. Anyway, I turned it off.
My dad did the same after he let us put on the South Park movie. I would have been 11, my brother 10.
It seems the likes of Thorongil are more likely to get upset over someone like Street criticizing one of their presidents than the fact that said president's actions resulted in the death of half a million people.Take a moment to digest that.
Yeah, I have no criticisms of George W. Bush. None whatsoever.
But you do believe the suffering of the Iraqi people should be acknowledged, right?
No, of course not! I love war and death! I'm just a callous asshole, as you implied. Your post totally wasn't a snide violation of the principles of charity and common sense.
Reply to Thorongil No, I just have a thing for honoring victims. It's a personal issue. And since I overcame such great emotional barriers to finally (after years of being a sexist prick) to falteringly put my Grand Theory of Gender Roles into print, I can't believe you would stoop to register your astonishment. Damn you!
Yeah the Bush years were incredible successful. Easily the greatest President the US as had since Nixon. Hard to compare with Trump, but I strongly suspect he may surpass Dubya by the end of his first term (and certainly by his second!)
Yes, like I said. In non standard analysis 0.999... exists infinitesimally close to 1. Don't ask me the details, as I'm not apt in Robinsonian analysis.
Reply to Sapientia That link sent me to a pinterest page that had a lot of pictures on it. I picked one at random as your message. It was a Pacific Northwest style totem pole. I love that style. Thanks!
Now I'm reminded of being an adolescent. I once created a masterpiece that literally brought tears to one's eyes --and proceeded to flee the small room and hold the door closed so that a friend and my brother could really contemplate my artistry. That was true joy. (Oh to hear again their desperate protestations and feel the pressure against the door that blocked their escape!)
*On a serious note, we might contemplate whether the sadism in philosophical debate is related to 'fart sadism.' We lock others in a room with the stink of our minds, our 'assholy' perspective.
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Yes. But it's funny! And now we are getting deep. I think we are mischievous 'chimps.' We like a little cruelty at our festivals. What we can maybe do is keep this cruelty within measure. There's an old idea (can't remember my source) of 'internalized violence.' In short, we become civilized by chiseling more on ourselves than others. For example, developing one's mind involves a continual destruction of wrong-in-retrospect thinking.
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That's a great question. You prob. know that Nietzsche compared maturity to the seriousness of a child at play. And a certain rock star had this to say: 'when the music's over, turn out the lights.'
*For me the words of philosophers are secondary to a 'comportment' that they help nourish. Another reason I chose 'fart' was to emphasize the body. We might speak of the ineffability or non-conceptuality of the stink of a fart. Sure, the sound and feeling of music would work too. But using farts keeps even the tone on the street.
I feel you. I associate an upward movement toward a fixed goal with Hegel. Nietzsche is all over the place. I love and fart on them both. I like the idea that life is the legit authority. No matter how brilliant and dazzling and famous and so on this or that official genius is, they lived in their here-now with their body --and I have to adapt to mine and mine. And really I'd say that literature, TV, music (to name a few) are every bit as important as philosophy in terms of nourishing dope comportment or (in other words) the good life, the ecstatic life, the noble life. But I must fart on all of this solemnity, since it's just more words and not the thing itself. And I fart also on this fart. And then on that one. I am propelled like a rocket this way.
I associate an upward movement toward a fixed goal with Hegel.
I wonder, because farts are seemingly all downward movements. Perhaps, the pessimism and futility philosophers all fart with sadness and despair. Who knows these things?
Indeed. I don't know what I think about Freud as a scientist. But it's interesting to me that shit and incest are a big part of bad language. Farts are guilty by association with shit. They carry little sprinkles of shit and of course the smell. The slang word ('shit') for an essential part of life is in bad taste. Kids aren't allowed to call poo poo what grownups call poo poo. That's fascinating.
I do like fart jokes, but only if they have the right flavour!
I like how the natural and healthy bodily function that farts are can contrast with our more grandiose visions of human perfection or nobility.
When the pope farts, it's not just funny because nobody is allowed to give him shit about it, it's funny because he is supposed to represent an earthly conduit to divine perfection. Imagine a scene set to Gregorian polyphonic hymns: a shining image of a pure white and bejeweled pontiff looking and reaching outward over an emotionally suggestible crowd. And when the choir comes to a silence, and the pope opens his mouth to speak, a brief but punctuated fart noise interrupts him and fills the cathedral which is designed to carry sound. This is god farting through the pope, telling us to have a gas. That the light of the divine isn't bestowed or arbitrary blessings; we have to make light of ourselves.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 04, 2018 at 13:07#1759260 likes
:mask: Geez could you all open a window when you are done fartin around? :sweat:
And you have never experienced the passing of gas until you have been at the back end of a horse when they decide it is time to relieve themselves! Now there is some flippin heat along with the lovely aroma! :fire:
Please stop now. We don't need another Sir2U vs Sapientia deathmatch in the Shoutbox or elsewhere. Let's just call it a draw and you two agree never to speak to each other again. Deal?
Reply to Sapientia I'm going on a hike tomorrow, wanna come? Great stress release. Or are you too busy with your cat, what was her name? Fugly, I think it was.
Reply to TimeLine Her name is actually Oksa now. That's the intentional linguistic corruption by my brother of her original name, and I prefer it to the original.
So, when are we going hiking? And can I bring my trashy cat? And also, will there be plenty of opportunities to push you off of a steep drop, and that sort of thing?
So, when are we going hiking? And can I bring my trashy cat? And also, will there be plenty of opportunities to push you off of a steep drop, and that sort of thing?
Reply to TimeLine How could anyone "take it easy" in a room with Adam Sandler? If I was in that room, and I had a loaded gun, I know what I'd do with it.
Reply to TimeLine Yes, and the only reason my cat survived is because she's not Adam Sandler. Not being Adam Sandler is the one redeeming quality that everyone (besides Adam Sandler) has.
I renamed my dog from Fred to Fuck. It's a corruption of the spelling my grandma gave him and I like it better.
Last week he ate the internet cable and today the AC guy just told me my AC is broken because a dog ate the wire. When I see my dog, I call him by yelling "oh fuck," and he does the same as he did when I yelled his old name, which was whatever the fuck he wanted to. Swhy I call him Fuck.
i would like to know why my post was deleted '-' luckily i had it saved already. i think that instead of censuring we could argue trough the points the mod doesnt agree, right?
I deleted the post because it was written in very bad English. The content was fine, but put a bit more effort into writing it. No text speak, better grammar and formatting.
Edit: unless I'm confusing you with someone else. If it was the 'discarding emotions' thread, that was me.
Reply to fdrake I see. I'm brazilian, what do you mean by text speak? And why it's not allowed? Indeed i could revise it and make it better, and the title doesn't really fit the text, i wasn't talking about discarding every emotion, but about dealing with the hard ones, probably controling emotions would fit better. When i think a bit about it, life would look pointless without emotions, but how could u feel that something feels pointless if u got no emotions? It's weird... But sometimes i feel like some emotions are completely useless, like fear. If u let it control you in a dangerous situation it'll just get in the way, if your mind is clear you can think about what to do way better. Fear might be useful for some people in some situations, but most of the times u feel fear in a dangerous situation it's better if your mind is clear so you can plan and act faster, it's weird how fear can freeze someone when you should be doing something about it, be it run, analyze the variables etc.
Text speak is like 'u' instead of 'you'; writing stuff like 'i want' instead of 'I want'. Formatting is like breaking up your posts into paragraphs corresponding to distinct points. Also make sure that you link your points together to make a reasonably coherent whole.
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By that time, Johanna Schopenhauer had already opened her famous salon, and Arthur was not compatible with what he considered its vain and ceremonious ways. He was also disgusted by the ease with which his mother had forgotten his father's memory.[citation needed] He left to become a student at the University of Göttingen in 1809. There he studied metaphysics and psychology under Gottlob Ernst Schulze, the author of Aenesidemus, who advised him to concentrate on Plato and Immanuel Kant. In Berlin, from 1811 to 1812, he had attended lectures by the prominent post-Kantian philosopher Johann Gottlieb Fichte and the theologian Friedrich Schleiermacher.[citation needed]
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The starting post for a thread should be reasonably well written, relate to the title given to the thread, and argue for any points it's trying to make instead of simply stating them. If instead the post is primarily asking a question, it should set the stage for the question; describing the background and why the question matters.
The mods here are generally a bit more lenient with errors in writing from non-native speakers, so please don't be discouraged from sharing your ideas; just put a little more effort into making your post presentable and easy to read.
Those nerds really know how to string a narrative(s) together. With such an extensive "universe" of lore to draw from, something about thick and complex plots such as these are all the more satisfying, all the more realistic (despite their supra-nature). A few other universes that spring to mind which do this well are Tolkien's Middle-Earth and Martin's Westeros.
There also appears to be a functional limit to the size these universes can become: Westeros is still fledgling, Tolkien descended into elven madness, and the comic book universes of marvel and DC have gone through many epochs of universal contraction and re-expansion.
Something about the organic and disorganized nature of the current Marvel movie universe is strikingly immersive and enthralling. As art produced by many minds it is like a mosaic where each tile has its own texture and detail that can be explored, like life, rather than plain pixels that can only be made sense of from a distance.
Movies like the Lord of the Rings trilogy, the present culmination of the Marvel movie franchise, and series like Game of Thrones are to cinema as Shakespeare's plays were to theatre. They show that modern art isn't total shit after all. Though we tend not to think of popular television and film as "art", once something is more than 20 years old the art [s]con-men[/s] critics will clamor to profess it's vintage!
Was good. Liked it as well. Think they should have made Thanos not an environmentalist but stuck to the comic book theme of him wanting to win the love of death personified.
VagabondSpectreMay 09, 2018 at 08:10#1768770 likes
I was click surfing one of the fandom-wikis the other day and learned that death personified (lady death) is already emotionally preoccupied "fascinated" with Deadpool. Too bad Disney didn't buy Fox in time, else the plot may have included this aspect of Thanos' motivations.
I haven't read the comic books, but I imagine that audiences would be more sympathetic/understanding towards the radical Malthusian angle, than introducing a new character as a love interest. Ultimately, Infinity Wars was about Thanos, and I think the movie did a very good job of making him an interesting, multi-dimensional character.
Is there a free speech problem in UK as this article in The Spectator suggests?
Looks like those people were refused entry on the grounds that they were inciting or planning to incite racial hatred.
Is that a free speech problem?
It's also pretty ironic. One of them led a group that tried to stop NGOs from rescuing migrants from the Mediterranean, apparently to 'defend borders from immigrants', and then is refused entry at a foreign border. You reap what you sow.
IDK, I guess I'm biased towards DC for making characters more interesting psychologies and themes about power and control.
Yeah I grew up watching The Justice League cartoon on Cartoon Network in my tweens, and the story-lines and characters were way more intricate and interesting than the DC movies they've been putting out recently, and even the Marvel movies.
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Is there a free speech problem in UK as this article in The Spectator suggests?
[quote=Spectato] everyone has the right to have their opinion heard, thoughtfully considered and respectfully challenged.[/quote] No they fucking don't, people who talk shite have the right to be ignored and sidelined by sensible folks. - just my opinion.
There are lots of issues in the UK around immigration, free speech, media bias, but a left wing conspiracy there is not.
Mayor of SimpletonMay 09, 2018 at 15:30#1770390 likes
everyone has the right to have their opinion heard, thoughtfully considered and respectfully challenged.
— Spectato
No they fucking don't, people who talk shite have the right to be ignored and sidelined by sensible folks. - just my opinion.
No they fucking don't, people who talk shite have the right to be ignored and sidelined by sensible folks. - just my opinion.
There are lots of issues in the UK around immigration, free speech, media bias, but a left wing conspiracy there is not.
Hear-hear!
Nobody is obligated to listen and respond, especially to stupidity.
I fear however too many people confuse the right to ignore and reject people from private platforms ("de-platforming") with some kind of justification to silence and attack them in any and all venues. Ideological boycotting seems fine, but I see so many of these antifa protests seeking blood instead of democracy.
It doesn't bode well that the intersectional-feminist can(n)on is loosed by a volatile and aggressive hysteria masculina where micro-aggressions like jokes become colonizing acts of war and any dissenters become literally Hitler.
This kind of pseudo-intellectually charged language is what the emotionally wet and biased air of the internet carries furthest and fastest. Like lightning (or an explosion) the slightest perceived disturbance, timed properly, can cause an emotionally viral and self-reinforcing cycle that leads to sudden hatred and violence.
This is pretty much why corporate advertisement et al is so willing to bend-over backwards to not offend any group with special interest. Social media is a magnificent megaphone for discontent, and it can be instantly heard so far and wide that there is often no time for critical thought or reasonableness. And it only takes a few well connected pundits and their following to initiate an inquisition... It's not a left wing conspiracy, it's a far-left wing hit-squad.
It's not a left wing conspiracy, it's a far-left wing hit-squad.
It's not that either, tho sometimes it is. It's more like a cultural wasteland patrolled by hit-squads of various stripes. People get mad about the left, and how it brings down the hammer, but how many listeners does Rush have, how maybe people read Breitbart? And people get mad about the right, and how it plays on resentment, but how many retweets did [resentful left tweet by popular left figure] get?
One thing though: It's fair to say that 'mainstream' media discourse is, on the whole, left-leaning. NYT, WAPO, Colbert & Kimmel. It's true, obviously true, and its annoying when left-leaning people (I'm one) won't admit it. (Kate Mckinnon playing Hillary playing Hallejuah on SNL is, imo, a miserable thing.) But it's also true that 'mainstream media' is itself a subsection of a broader mainstream; the 'mainstream' is just one (particularly big) tributary of a bigger, conflicted, stream. The other streams have a lot of influence.
People sometimes say the left won the culture wars, while the right won the economic wars. It seems like it's all part of one big process to me. The deregulated business environment the right fostered undermined traditional communities (e.g. NAFTA fucks up main-street values, it just does. Dad's job isn't there anymore, so Dad's moral presence is undermined by his being economically emasculated.) Whatever you think of traditional communities, I think it's just empirically true that this vacuum leaves plenty of room for more leftish cultural values to take the place of the old gods. Now you have a thing where lots of (justifiably) pissed off Dads need some way to focus their being-pissed-off. Their attention is skillfully redirected, by cynical talking heads, from [why there's no car-manufacturing plant here anymore] to [what does it mean that there's a trans guy in the new star wars.]
So it's like this: Did the left win the culture wars? yeah, kind of. There is a trans guy in the new star wars [2022]. But also the whole point of the culture wars, in some ways, is like: Here, ex-car-manufacturer-dad, now you have a trans stormtrooper to be mad at instead of not having a job. Please start a blog about this.
(the better leftist (not liberal, or neoliberal) solution here is something like: no, no no, who gives a fuck about Star Wars - let's look at Nafta)
The left won the culture war because the right has been gleefully positioned itself as anti-elitist, anti-intellectual, anti-academic for several decades. Who, precisely, are the titans of right wing artists, musicians, philosophers, novelists, journalists? Jon McNaughton? Ted Nugent? Ben Shapiro? Tom Clancy? Bari Weiss? Where are the thought-provoking, world-view shifting conservative films? God's Not Dead?
I think the concept of "mainstream" media is a dead one. Legacy media is more apropos given that digital platforms, including Twitter, YouTube, podcasts etc. reach millions, the target of which skew young.
There aren't right wing artists, for instance (the group I know the best) who fit into the narrative you're describing. But there are artists who belay the narrative and have staked out their own ground. Sufjan Stevens, for instance, who appears to be a Christian, and may or may not be gay. Son Lux, who I happen to know is a Christian, but politically left. There's art that spans the gap. Makoto Fujimura, a painter who started the overtly Christian IAM movement here in NYC, who isn't overtly political, but clearly left-leaning, and has been influential in bringing the concept of beauty back into the art world. His concept of "culture care" is a direct critique and response to the so called "culture wars". Its not much, but I would look to the gaps and spaces to see where real change is happening.
Lanterns is peak Son Lux. Before that, he wasn't a fully developed artist, and after that, he turned it into a trio instead of a solo project, and the quality went down. I've seen them live twice though, and the trio show is totally worth the money. I also have a soft spot for some prog, so the more "epic" or film soundtrack elements get a pass for me. He's a film /dance composer by trade, so it makes sense.
Will give it a go. I remember when At War With was released, and I used to write for a music publication at the time, and people were losing their shit over it. And I was like... is it me? But okay, Lanterns, will try.
That record is way more electronic; you may or may not be into Lanterns, but it's an amalgamation of all his different influences, particularly his classical composing background. Tons of guest musicians as well.
Kinda digging Son Lux right now, having never heard of them before. Will give a proper listen tomorrow if I remember (drunk now). Lead singer oddly reminds me of Peter Gabriel.
It's more like a cultural wasteland patrolled by hit-squads of various stripes.
You are quite right. I'm quick to blame the "regressive left" perhaps because they simply get the most mainstream play, but I do see the diametric rise of the far right and left as being a part of the same co-reactionary movement, each fueling the fire of the other. The current ideological entry points to the alt right have to do with attacking silly far left notions like "white guilt" just as much as they have to do with promoting silly far right notions like "white genocide". They polarize and force mutual entrenchment, and it's not just dipolar; there are factions within factions upstream from the larger movements.
the 'mainstream' is just one (particularly big) tributary of a bigger, conflicted, stream. The other streams have a lot of influence.
And in the Age of Information Flood, new tributaries are emerging as the world comes online, which can help explain the raging and rapid current of the mainstreams. Information overload is pushing everyone into a series of preordained categories whose main function is assisting with the commercialization of our identities, but has the effect of reinforcing and further entrenching us into our preexisting beliefs and discourages critical analysis. The result is disunity, more and more ideologically stratified groups, and mutual confusion where emotional signals become more reliable means of communication than rational ones. Individually the disparate tributaries of a movement like the "alt-right" have almost no relevance or influence of any kind, but collectively they gain influence disproportionate to the sum of their individual proponents.
...now you have a trans stormtrooper to be mad at instead of not having a job...
...(the better leftist (not liberal, or neoliberal) solution here is something like: no, no no, who gives a fuck about Star Wars - let's look at Nafta)
By the time whichever trunk of the western cultural mainstream is ready to critically weigh the merits of NAFTA, we'll have also genetically engineered flying pigs. Unless Marvel is set to introduce a new hero whose power is being really good at economics, I don't see such a discussion resonating in many echo chambers.
Information overload is pushing everyone into a series of preordained categories whose main function is assisting with the commercialization of our identities, but has the effect of reinforcing and further entrenching us into our preexisting beliefs and discourages critical analysis.
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:up: The ideal of success now is to become a brand™. That's how far self-commodification has gone. Our prize will be more flattening of individual character, increased levels of mental illness and alienation and yes, more political polarization. It's not who you are, it's who you're with that matters, and who you're with are right there online surrounded by Google or FB advertising....
The left won the culture war because liberal/progressive values are objectively better than conservative/traditional values.
There, I said it.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 10, 2018 at 12:29#1772130 likes
I am grateful for everyone responsible for bringing our American citizens being held hostage in North Korea back home. :heart: My thoughts and sympathy to the Warmbier family for not being able to bring Otto home to them in good health. :broken:
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The left won the culture war because liberal/progressive values are objectively better than conservative/traditional values.
There, I said it.
This is the Darwinian argument that whatever is must be best else it would have died. How do you account for when a religion takes over a secular government and it imposes its law on the people?
And, if we substitute "objectively better" with godly, then we can just say that whoever is in power has God on their side.
And I don't care about your pens. In the South, we pronounce "pens" the same as we say pins. That's what we do.
This is the Darwinian argument that whatever is must be best else it would have died. How do you account for when a religion takes over a secular government and it imposes its law on the people?
Not at all.
If I say that I beat you because I cheated, it doesn't then follow that all winners are cheaters.
It's just that in this particular case, the winner was best, and being best is what explains the win.
Really not a big deal... but I was wondering if someone could help me figure out why my recent post in the “Animal Ethics” thread was cut. I was under the impression that posts with a link to a music video or film/TV clip relating to the thread subject were generally ok. I thought the videos linked were on topic, in a meta-artistic sense. Could not art references add to the conversation, be it popular, high-brow, or whatever? Or was it the choice of videos? Are The Simpsons too déclassé? The Smiths too... er... Eighties? If the moderator responsible would explain the thinking, I would most appreciate it. I was attempting to add to the thread, and even said I was writing a more verbal response to that interesting and lively thread. Although at the moment, I don’t much feel like contributing anything else, if it might not pass the left-brain seriousness test. It’s the principle, rather than the particular post pruning that I find somewhat disconcerting here. But anyway... Thanks very much. Carry on. (applies Preparation H cream).
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:smile: Thanks for the quick response and explanation. Though it does seem a bit harsh, solemn, or perhaps a bit pedantic (no offense meant) to limit posts containing video links to be non-fiction exclusively. If this is the general policy, I apologize for being ignorant of it and will heed it in the future. The Simpsons may have been a poor and goofy example, but what if one links a video to some more respectable art in a serious philosophical thread, assuming it is relevant? Understandably, imbedded videos take up a lot of room, and may look like a distraction and an eyesore in a discussion. But it seems to be holding a video response to a higher standard than written ones.
But however, not really a problem; just a question. Thanks again for your input. :up:
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 10, 2018 at 19:21#1772630 likes
Reply to darthbarracuda Such a sad ending, David having to leave his home country to be allowed to end his life. There was a time not to long ago in which Death Certificates listed reason for death: old age. I happen to agree with David Goodall, in that other circumstances other than a diagnosis of a terminal illness, should allow you the right to petition to end your own life. I am not suggesting making suicide legal but I am saying that each case that does not entail a terminal illness diagnosis should be assessed separately.
That's... wow. I would feel very uncertain about my continued employement if I was that particular pentester.
Is it usual for a test to include actual interaction with the data? I was under the impression that most white hats would only record themselves actually breaking in, without touching anything at all... ?
Did Disney ruin the Star Wars franchise? Just watched The Last Jedi, and overall liked it as an independant movie. I didn't grow up on Star Wars and the whole tropes Lucas provided in the previous episodes... So, I guess I'm unbiased here in some way.
Sure, they just gave a massive power boost to the users of the force, and the whole kamikaze thingy was an ass-pull; but, still enjoyed it.
Friday feels. For those of you who think I am a big ol' meanie, you're wrong and I have proof. Today, I received feedback from ten staff that I manage who all gave glowing examples about me along with senior managers from across the country as part of my annual review. And they're letting me use the company car for a couple of weeks.
Yeah, that comment was a low blow (pun intended?) to @Bitter Crank in the Cat thread. Though, I think you two have some special relationship going on, so I'll let it pass my puritanical and caring attitude.
I grew up on Star Wars. The Last Jedi was pretty bad. But I also enjoyed it, because I was excited for any new Star Wars films. I would rank the new ones as 1) Rogue one 2) The Last jedi 3) The Force Awakens. Not that anyone cares.
You mean harsh that I thought The Last Jedi was "pretty bad"? I should qualify. It was a well made movie, but it did a horrible job plot-wise; [hide="Reveal"]who was Snoke? Why did Luke have to die in this particular movie?[/hide]
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 11, 2018 at 12:34#1774160 likes
:cry: NicK and I shared 1 car/truck/Jeep for 20 years until this past Christmas when I woke up to a New (new to me) car! Well, it died. Not a simple death but a 3k repair on a 7k car that has 170k miles on it. Ugh it just makes me sick. B.B. King always said "Good things come to those who wait" and I had waited a long time! :cry:
I have a 2004 Hyundai Sonata with a crushed quarter panel sitting in my driveway that is about to go to 1-877 Cars 4 kids. It runs fine as long as you bend back the gas filler door thing to fill it up. Have someone help you with the 3 day drive to Atlanta from Phoenix to get it and it's all yours.
Um, if she doesn't want it, can you send it over here to Thailand? I'm sure that wouldn't cost much. 'Sides you owe me for my lying to jrob about what a good moderator you'd make.
I have a 2004 Hyundai Sonata with a crushed quarter panel sitting in my driveway that is about to go to 1-877 Cars 4 kids. It runs fine as long as you bend back the gas filler door thing to fill it up. Have someone help you with the 3 day drive to Atlanta from Phoenix to get it and it's all yours.
You guys have those annoying commercials in Georgia too? :lol:
Your offer is so sweet, you are far too kind, Thank you.
I will absolutely consider it after my behind gains feeling again after a 14 hr one way to Denver and back in the last 96 hours.
I will have to think about what I can bring you, to Thank you for your generosity. Maybe I should ride a horse to pick up the car and then you would be wealthy in livestock.
Do you think Fred would mind?
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff I'll just leave the key on the back driver side tire. If you could just quietly take it and leave, that'd be great. If you insist upon leaving a gift, I could use a jar of jam. Strawberry would be nice. You might see Fred in the window. Don't make eye contact.
Reply to Sapientia Agreed. Disney is hardly even advertising it. My suspicion is that the film is going to suck horribly (the lead actor had to get acting lessons!), and this is why it is being released on a different date than usual (summer instead of winter). Somewhere in the legal papers there's a clause about Disney having to keep their end of the bargain, and they're just trying to minimize the fallout.
Here is my prediction: Solo will release, bomb hard, a year and a half will pass (allowing people to recover and forget about the catastrophe), and then episode 9 will release. So far I think George Lucas and now Disney have bungled Star Wars so much so that it is beyond any repair and should be wrapped up. Continuing the saga only brings more pain into the universe.
VagabondSpectreMay 12, 2018 at 01:33#1775990 likes
Reply to darthbarracuda They were to bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness...
Surely the haters cannot win though, after-all, Disney has the high-ground!
Speaking of Star Wars, here's Fred before and after makeup:
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 12, 2018 at 13:27#1776540 likes
@Hanover
Umm...did you hear about the lady who found a couple of super cute kittens that turned out to be something other than your run of the mill kitten?
I think whomever sold you Fred might have mislead you just a little? Maybe?
I know, make eye contact with Fred and growl in a 'chewy' kind of voice and see what he does. If he claws your eyes out, chances are he is not a dog. :razz:
Tough call. I say dog or lizard to keep the animal tradition up. I don't know if Hanover has exclusive rights to lizard pics so consult with him first if any royalties would be due.
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 13, 2018 at 13:27#1780350 likes
Reply to Michael And here I was going to suggest that if anyone here on the forum knows about computers, it is you! And help with security? I bet you got that too!
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 13, 2018 at 13:29#1780360 likes
@Lone Wolf
When you can choose between AWESOME and chics and cocks, always choose AWESOME! :halo:
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 13, 2018 at 13:33#1780380 likes
I enjoy eating goat...does that...? Nah, that doesn't seem right...
Odd you goat eaters I must say. Have you ever watched what a goat consumes? I have and I am not eating something that eats ANYTHING and I do mean ANYTHING, throughout it's lifetime.
@Posty McPostface
Having said that @Banno believes that everything is goat so maybe you are onto something. :chin:
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 13, 2018 at 13:35#1780390 likes
Just in case it has yet to sink in, that's actually a cock, not a chicken. You must have inadvertently mistaken the one for the other. There's absolutely no way that you could've done that on purpose for comic effect.
Oh okay. Usually I put "incorrect" as my password, that way when I get it wrong a little screen will come up and say "Your password is incorrect". :cool:
The metaphysics that I've proposed here (an Idealism) makes no assumptions, posits no brute-facts, and says nothing that anyone would disagree with. — Michael Ossipoff
Yeah right.
You'd need to be a bit more specific :)
On the occasions when I posted about my metaphysics, no one pointed to an assumption or a brute-fact, because there wasn't one.
Sometimes people said, "I disagree with it!", but didn't specify any statement in particular that they disagreed with.
Some said that the abstract if-then facts to which I refer aren't "real" or "existent", but that isn't a disagreement, because I've been emphasizing that I make no claims about anything describable and discussable being "real" or "existent", whatever that would mean.
As I've recently said, there "are" abstract if-then facts, in the sense that they can be stated. I don't claim any more than that about them.
Some disagreed that abstract if-then facts could somehow result in a "real" or "existent" world, but, as I said above, I've been emphasizing that I make no claims about the existence or reality of anything describable or discussable.
But, if you yourself believe that my metaphyisics uses or needs an assumption, or posits a brute fact, then you should feel free to specify the assumption or brute-fact.
Likewise, if you have a disagreement with it or any statement in its description, then you should feel free to say what it is.
But you'd need to be more specific.
I've posted my metaphysical proposal many times, here and there in these forums. But I have a copy in Word somewhere, and I'd be glad to re-post it again if you haven't seen it and don't know the location of an instance of it in the threads--so you can specify assumptions, brute-facts, or disagreements.
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear in my most recent posting here. I wasn't asking for your impression, or for an unsupported opinion.
You said "Yeah, right" when I said that my metaphysical proposal doesn't make assumptions, posit brute-facts, or say things that someone would disagree with. So I invited you to specify particular instances otherwise.
Reply to Michael Ossipoff I disagree that there’s no evidence that our physical universe consists of more than inter-related if-then statements, as did T Clark, for one, and as would others.
Why? Because it's bonkers.
I would disagree on the basis that it's a type of idealism alone, as would others, and as you claim it is, since I'm not an idealist of any type, and there are many others in the same boat as me.
Michael OssipoffMay 13, 2018 at 22:08#1781730 likes
I disagree that there’s no evidence that our physical universe consists of more than inter-related if-then statements, as did T Clark, for one, and as would others.
Why? Because it's bonkers.
Of course that won't do. I've already clarified that I'm not interested in your impression or unsupported personal opinion.
If you want to disagree that there's no evidence that our physical universe consists of other than inter-related if-then statements, then you forgot to cite your evidence,
There isn't evidence in physical events or facts. As I explained, any fact about the physical world corresponds to, implies, and can be said as, an if-then fact. ...and is (at least part of) the "if" premise of some if-then facts, and is the "then" conclusion of other if-then facts.
I spoke of how a set of hypothetical physical quantity-values, and a hypothetical relation among them (called a "physical law"), together constitute the premise of an if-then fact. ...except that one of those physical quantity-values can be taken as the conclusion of that if-then fact.
I would disagree on the basis that it's a type of idealism alone, as would others, and as you claim it is, since I'm not an idealist of any type, and there are many others in the same boat as me.
In other words: "I disagree because I hold a different position" :)
I was inviting disagreement with particular statements in my metaphysical proposal. ...and supported by reasons other than "because I believe otherwise."
Reply to Michael Ossipoff My evidence is that what you're claiming shows up as bonkers when subjected to analysis by a credible bonkers detection device, such as my brain.
"Each episode began the same way: Mister Rogers is seen coming home, singing his theme song "Won't You Be My Neighbor?", and changing into sneakers and a zippered cardigan sweater."
"Each episode began the same way: Mister Rogers is seen coming home, singing his theme song "Won't You Be My Neighbor?", and changing into sneakers and a zippered cardigan sweater."
It was a happy time in my childhood, watching him come home and visit us kids across America.
Odd you goat eaters I must say. Have you ever watched what a goat consumes? I have and I am not eating something that eats ANYTHING and I do mean ANYTHING, throughout it's lifetime.
The Catfish Of The Farm, eh? What can I say; I have an adventurous palate. :razz:
Russian philosophy is pretty interesting; I need to read more of it. Heavy emphasis on teleology, for one thing. Something else weird is that I was recently reading up on Helena Blavatsky, who founded modern Theosophy, and she was Russian. Theosophy, while totally insane, was instrumental in bringing Buddhism and Eastern Philosophy to the West. That's kind of the position Russian philosophy seems to hold; bridging the gap.
Russian philosophy is pretty interesting; I need to read more of it. Heavy emphasis on teleology, for one thing. Something else weird is that I was recently reading up on Helena Blavatsky, who founded modern Theosophy, and she was Russian. Theosophy, while totally insane, was instrumental in bringing Buddhism and Eastern Philosophy to the West. That's kind of the position Russian philosophy seems to hold; bridging the gap.
Interesting. I bet quite a few Russian scholars are turning in their graves at the sentiment that Schopenhauer chewed and regurgitated Buddhism and the Upanishads to the West.
Could be, I dunno. What I was reading was more along the lines of Theosophy leading to the New Age movement, etc., and now we have yoga studios on every other block (or at least around these parts). I have caucasian friends who practice Buddhism, and even more who practice meditation. Strange world.
These folk suggest that octopus-ancestors came from space in time to participate in (or even spur on) the Cambrian explosion, and evolved in particular some 270 million years ago, millions of years after joining Earth life.
The idea, in short, is that octopus-ancestors made a panspermia-alike entry in some form way back, and thrived and evolved onwards.
(This is not an invitation for racists to go on an octopus killing spree.) :)
Listening to light rain outside the window after a long day at work. What could be better.
Getting out of work by knowingly exploiting an error on the rota? I was supposed to be in today, but it said that I was on holiday, so I didn't turn up. :snicker:
Reply to Posty McPostface I know right, the same one upmanship when people turn jokes into something serious. Trying to beat people rather than have a laugh is not a type of elitism?
ArguingWAristotleTiffMay 14, 2018 at 14:58#1783890 likes
You mean, dare someone's overinflated ego doesn't get deflated?
No, it's not about the ego. It is about we as 'thinkers' being able to respect one another, even in the deep bowels of Hanoverisms or in the middle of a heated debate. That we can rise above that fray and remember that in the end we are all friends here, if not friends then at the least we are fellow 'thinkers' and that is our common thread in which this forum is built upon. We as members are the scaffolding that the threads hang upon and without us, there would be a pile of frayed threads left on the floor.
At least some politicians have the guts to call it straight:
"Emily Thornberry MP, Labour’s Shadow Foreign Secretary, responding to the killing of Palestinians in Gaza today, said:
We condemn unreservedly the Israeli government for their brutal, lethal and utterly unjustified actions on the Gaza border, and our thoughts are with all those Palestinians in Gaza whose loved ones have been killed or injured as a result.
These actions are made all the worse because they come not as the result of a disproportionate over-reaction to one day’s protests, but as the culmination of six weeks of an apparently systemic and deliberate policy of killing and maiming unarmed protestors and bystanders who pose no threat to the forces at the Gaza border, many of them shot in the back, many of them shot hundreds of metres from the border, and many of them children."
"'Thus Says the Lord': Religious Tunes at Jerusalem Embassy Opening Drown Out Protests
Only smartphones’ push notifications told about the rising death toll at the Gaza border, with the U.S. Embassy’s opening ceremony taking on a festively religious tone suited to please attending Jews and Christians alike." Haaretz
Had a look at Haaretz. Their reporting seems reasonably balanced, unlike some in the American media. Had enough of it today anyway. Sick world we live in.
Had a look at Haaretz. Their reporting seems reasonably balanced, unlike some in the American media. Had enough of it today anyway. Sick world we live in.
These actions are made all the worse because they come not as the result of a disproportionate over-reaction to one day’s protests, but as the culmination of six weeks of an apparently systemic and deliberate policy of killing and maiming unarmed protestors and bystanders who pose no threat to the forces at the Gaza border, many of them shot in the back, many of them shot hundreds of metres from the border, and many of them children."
Yep, the Palestinians were just peacefully protesting, doing nothing that should be of concern to any reasonable Israeli and then the Israeli's opened fire. Hamas has nothing to do with any of this either.
"Yahya Sinwar, the leader of Hamas in Gaza, suggested last week that more than 100,000 people could storm the fence on Tuesday. Israeli military officials say Hamas is using the protests as a pretext to stage an attack into Israel."Wall Street Journal
I mean, when I first heard of it the premise was intriguing, but in the end it's just a bunch of nerds "nerding-out" over the beauty seen through their narrow observational windows. An iota too voyeur if you ask me. Only the first season was good :)
Inter stellar tentacles though. It's pure [s]comedic[/s] erotic gold. They've even made full length (and legitimately under-rated) films about it!
Matt Groening is either a prophet or to be blamed for everything.,
I'm sure there are plenty of Israelis who understand live rounds are not the only method to be used to control protestors and condemn this. Just imagine the reaction in the US if this was Iran and the protestors were Christian.
That's a good point. We know very well what the reaction would be, and the condemnation would come down most heavily from the very people who justify the harsh treatment of Palestinians.
Fox News would be in paroxyms of rage to start with. Another useful way of looking at it is to imagine at one of the G20 summits where many protestors often are destructive that instead of regular crowd control tactics, it was decided just to mow the protestors down and kill dozens of them. Then imagine at least half of America either shrugging their shoulders or trying to justify it. It's chilling.
Indeed it is. IMO this is an example of why people tend to turn towards the political Left in college when confronted with facts about our actions around the globe - actions which run contrary to our professed principles and which significantly predate Trump's presidency. The modern Democratic party isn't great, but Republicans tend to be much more hawkish and less prone to even pay lip service to things like acknowledging basic human rights.
I vaguely recall a U.S. politician (may have been Howard Dean) taking a lot of heat for expressing the opinion that we should act as an "honest broker" in the Israeli-Palestinian dispute - the tacit assumption being that this wasn't the case - which he quickly had to walk back in favor of acknowledging the "special relationship" between the two countries. Something seems awry when you take shit for such a reasonable position.
I know there's no easy solution to the issue, but I have a far-fetched proposal: let's relocate Israelis to California where they can displace us natives. I'll move voluntarily. We can be absorbed by other states just as we suggest Palestinian Arabs be absorbed by other Arab nations. Do many pro-Israeli Jews take the religious significance of the homeland that seriously?
I think they do and it's fair that they do. But the two-state solution accommodates both sides. Problem is Bibi and some elements on the Palestinian side (though I would say the minority) don't want it. That's evidenced by the embassy move, which of course was going to be protested. Legitimately so in my view as the final status of Jerusalem including positioning of embassies was supposed to be part of that final two-state deal. The way things are now, this is just going to go on and on.
Additionally, one of many nauseating aspects of this, is that Jewish ownership of Jerusalem and the existence of the state of Israel is a prerequisite to the prophesy of the second coming of Christ, and so many evangelicals, and members of the Trump administration mostly support Israel because they believe that it will hasten the arrival of Jesus, thereby condemning all non-believers (including Jews) to eternity to hell.
I assumed there were way more secular than religious Jews both in and outside of Israel, but it's good to know about the historical/religious significance attached to their ancient home.
I know the extremists on the Palestinian/Arab/Muslim side desire the annihilation of Israel - which is used as justification by some Israelis for the continued oppression and displacement of Palestinians - but I wonder what the ideal goal is for the extremists on the Israeli side? More land for protection, I assume, but how much?
I also think it's insane for Israelis (at least conservative Israelis) to cultivate such a close relationship with American evangelicals, since the latter group's primary motivation for their support seems to be a strange belief in a final battle between the forces of good and evil (or some such). Seems dangerous to ally yourself with a group which holds such irrational beliefs, and I say that as one who's sympathetic to many aspects of Christianity, and religions more generally.
Thanks for the clarification regarding the interest evangelicals have in supporting Israel. But hey, if it says it in the Bible then it must be true, I guess.
Unfortunately, it looks like the extremists on both sides are going to ensure that the moderates on both sides have no chance of finding an accommodation. What looks more likely is the continued settlement of the West Bank and strict containment of Gaza, all of which are likely to fuel more extremism amongst the Palestinians and thus more reactionary policies from Israel. Maybe post-Bibi/Trump there'll be a chance of salvaging something. If there's anything left to salvage.
Further to the theme Maw raised, here's an interesting article by Slavoj Zizek:
http://zizek.uk/whither-zionism/
"In July 2008, the Viennese daily Die Presse published a caricature of two stocky Nazi-looking Austrians, one of them holding in his hands a newspaper and commenting to his friend: “Here you can see again how a totally justified anti-Semitism is being misused for a cheap critique of Israel!”
...
When today’s Christian fundamentalist supporters of Israeli policies reject leftist critiques of those policies, is their implicit line of argumentation not uncannily close to the caricature from Die Presse? Remember Anders Breivik, the Norwegian anti-immigrant mass murderer: He was anti-Semitic, but pro-Israel, since he saw the State of Israel as the first defence line against Muslim expansion—he even wanted to see the Jerusalem Temple rebuilt.
His view is that Jews are okay as long as there aren’t too many of them—or, as he wrote in his Manifesto: “There is no Jewish problem in Western Europe (with the exception of the U.K. and France) as we only have 1 million in Western Europe, whereas 800,000 out of these 1 million live in France and the U.K. The U.S., on the other hand, with more than 6 million Jews (600% more than Europe) actually has a considerable Jewish problem.”
His figure thus realizes the ultimate paradox of a Zionist anti-Semite—and we find the traces of this bizarre stance more often than one would expect."
I know you think you are genuinely on the right side here, and so do I, and it's unlikely we're going to change each other's minds. So, I think we'll just have to respectfully agree to disagree.
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Fair.
With some kind of concern about disclosure and acceptance of STD's? :yikes:
Btw: I would be just as suspicious if they were the ramblings of a fire fighter. :up:
Oh man, love and best wishes from where I am. :pray:
Darn. I'll be keeping Archie and the rest of your family in my thoughts.
My prayers are for Archie and your family, Benkei. I'm really sorry to hear this, sending my love. :fear: :heart:
Hoping the best for you and yours; shalom.
My Dear Benkei,
I have lit a candle for Archie and I will keep it lit until Archie is in good health. My heart stops every time something happens to one of my children and I know it is multiplied exponentially when it is a newborn. Archie is a fighter and he is going to pull through this with flying colors. Until he is back in your arms at home, I wish Angel wings to protect Archie and your family, to shield you from the chaos of the world, to soften the heart ache of the unknown and most of all an accurate diagnosis. My prayers are to let your family live in the peace of knowing that Archie will be alright. Stay strong, stay soft, stay loving~
Energies are being sent,
Tiffers
Best of luck to you and your family.
Mi Shebeirach avoteinu v’imoteinu,
Avraham, Yitzchak v’Yaakov, Sarah, Rivkah,
Rachel v’Lei-ah, hu y’vareich et hacholim
Archie ben Benkei. HaKadosh Baruch Hu yimalei
rachamim aleihem, l’hachalimam ul’rapotam
ul’hachazikam, v’yishlach lahem m’heirah
r’fuah, r’fuah shleimah min hashamayim,
r’fuat hanefesh ur’fuat haguf, hashta
baagala uviz’man kariv. V’nomar: Amen.
I'm so sorry to hear this.
Keep hope.
You have our support.
That is good news in the process of elimination! I will continue to hold Archie, you and your family in my heart and prayers. I am looking forward to the news that Archie has gone home with you~ Stay strong my friend, love gently and remember we are here pulling for Archie :heart:
Cautiously optimistic, here. Keep us updated. :up:
Puigdemont freed, Germany refuses Ra[t]joy's gov's extradition request.
How is Archie doing? :pray:
That is awesome news Benkei the longer between the episodes the better. :up:
If I may ask, when you say an "episode" are you speaking of a 'seizure'?
Of course as a Mom and a friend, I am searching for a way, anyway, to help. I know Phenobarbital is a barbiturate only because I have taken Barbiturates for the last 25 years. I know it is used for Epilepsy seizures so I wonder if they have ruled that out for Archie or if that is what the possible bad news is for Monday.
Archie's candle is lit and will remain until he is in the clear. (I use a battery candle at night and when I am not home, for those who might think this is how my house burned down :ok: )
Wow! So many questions! Let me first say, I have met a few Kiwi's online and a few family friends and it is a tight race between Australia and New Zealand, for the most optimistic attitude as well as shared use of the English language. I am very extroverted, so anytime I hear an accent and it's Aussie or Kiwi, I try to get closer to that person to say hello. Fun folks by nature.
My youngest son is 18, who has never been outside of the USA has decided that he would like to live in New Zealand. What were pipe dreams before are now within his reach. He is attending an Aeronautical University here in the states, Arizona specifically and in the 40 yrs the University has been in existence, no student has ever asked to study abroad to NZ but this past March, they had two students in one day ask to study in NZ. The school he attends has two campuses in the world that combined have a total of 3,500 students so two in one day was a "rush"! :up:
I always turn to my online family when I have face to face, friends and family travel to other countries, just to have a local contact in the event of an emergency, for me to understand the way the country they are in handle things, where to go, where NOT to go and the rest. My brother Mayor was a blessing to me when my children's God Mother had a HUGE medical emergency on the plane in Austria and the weeks following that she remained there, just simply by being someone who could give me a review of the hospital they took her to and I was able to pass that onto her parents in the states.
The two students are aiming for Spring of 2019 and I believe my son is looking at the Massey University on the Auckland campus as his degree is in Simulated Science which is a computer based degree sprinkled with art. He will return to the states to finish his degree and so far he is clearing NZ's immigration requirements from Character merit to educational minimum which is a Bachelor's degree which he will return with.
I am not sure what is drawing him there from here, except that he is interested in a socialist society in the sense of doing what is good for all, rather than the Capitalistic (Cannabilistic) society that he was raised in. One of my Kiwi friends from years ago asked me if I was familiar with the idea of 'Mowing down the tallest Poppy' and I was not and he explained. Is this really the way NZ operates?
But how do we define "dingbat"?
It's a mystery!
How is Archie doing? :pray:
Very sensible, I applaud your resolution. :cheer: :clap:
Both are available on YouTube.
This accurate?
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/apr/05/demise-of-the-nation-state-rana-dasgupta
There is a number 4: common sense, we need it to be more 'common' than it is.
The phone number rings at the office of the EPA.
I appreciate mine.
Does narcissism make me gay?
Nope. Not a chance.
Has Archie had an episode since? How is he doing overall? :pray:
OK, it is practice time for the end of the world.
Step 1 Remove all clothing, just as when we arrived we must leave the world with nothing.
Step 2 Meditate on how you have lived your live, clear your mind of all of the bad things that have happened.
Step 3 Have a good bath, a clean body and a clean mind are essential to acceptance of your fate.
Step 4 Stand in the middle of the room with those you love or their images surrounding you, It is good to know that you will not be alone at this dark hour.
Step 5 Bow low from the waist and place your head between you legs, then kiss your ass good bye. :cool:
Libraries help a lot, not only to save money but also to motivate me to read, since I only have a month or so before I have to return the book(s).
Maybe you're old enough to remember. We used to call that an air raid drill, which was specifically aimed at protecting us from a nuclear attack. I don't know if I would have made it. Dover Air Force Base was about 30 miles away.
I notice women. Most women. I like women and how they look. It takes something special for me to notice a man.
Ahh the memories of crawling under the desks. :wink:
"It's nine o'clock on a Saturday
The regular crowd shuffles in
There's an old man sitting next to me
Makin' love to his tonic and gin..."
Piano Man - Billy Joel.
Did you sing the song all the way through?
Just curious if it is a classic or an ear worm
I can't remember the last time I sung a song the whole way through. Maybe 'Fake Plastic Trees' by Radiohead because I played it on guitar. I'm not going to go binary on 'Piano Man' anyhow. It's a decent tune at least.
Trying to butter us up. :grin:
I cannot even imagine the degree of "helplessness" that you and your wife feel watching such a small soul go through such angst this early in your relationship and if it was a girl, I would tell you she is putting you through your paces but in this case, the fact that Archie is a boy is a good fact on his side. If she is nursing, maybe the hospital will allow her to pump milk, to give it to him when he is hungry and off the feeding tube. I know the hospital is a scary place but as young as Archie is, using a feeding tube is not the same as needing a feeding tube on an adult.
I wish I could be there but as you know me, I would have a hundred more questions to ask, even though they have already been asked. Remember my friend that the power that made the body can heal the body and that you can count on.
Archie's candle is lit and shall remain until Archie comes home.
Be well, be strong and have faith that your family will get through this to good health~
Tiffers
Not Donovan's best song, I know, but really.
Why?
Just curious...
Because they can't discuss the lounge in Atlantis.
Trying my best in my forties to pass a damn logic exam...
And yes, in forums many important people disguise themselves with nicknames :)
I did just re-watch The Social Network, which is excellent (and should have won Best Pic at the Oscars), but it's crazy how prescient the movie is, in some regards.
(I'm not referring to anything recently posted here in the Shoutbox, whether it is or isn't. I'm referring to something else. But it feels good to let that out).
We watched the hearing and I think it would have been helpful if some of the "Senators" actually used the product they are thinking about having to regulate.
"Senator, I don't have the answer to that but I can have my team get back with you."
Can you imagine how frustrating it would be to explain where to look for their "desktop" and have to tell them it is not the desktop made of wood that your computer is sitting on?
NicK's eyes were bleeding in pain by the lunch break but decided maybe a drinking game could be created around "Senator, I will have my team get back with you."
Today should be better.
You go for it! Just so you don't feel alone, it took me two times to pass college Logic 101. First time through I withdrew before I got an "F" but stayed in the class as an audit. Took the class a second time and got an "A" for the course. :up:
This kid is amazing!
We get a notification too, and restore all false positives (although we might be able to make an exception for you :kiss:)
Damn, and we just ran out of *Special TPF member * badges.
It's just not the same without him/her/it.
No, say it isn't so! We need our @Agustino!
Oh what song is that line from....Love hurts....god now I have the song playing in my head.
Air Supply?
Rotflmao! I didn't know till I looked up who you said and BAM you were right.
Love Hurts
Oh and before you get all up in my taste, might I remind you who remembered the artist?
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What world? More importantly, welcome back MOS! Stick around and join the party. :party: :cool:
I sort of plan to look in from time to time; for the most part read some things or perhaps risk asking a question every now and then. Maybe I'll find my desire once more to wax some BS... well eventually.
Nice to see a lot of the old names still haunting the boards. Cheers! :wink:
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Yay!!! Welcome back!
Let's see while you were away:
unenlightened has joined the ranks of members, giving up being moderator and as always he rocks!
Benkei had a second child about two weeks ago, named Archie and is struggling a little bit to adjust to this world outside the womb so any good energies will work so he can go home again!
fdrake is a moderator and doing awesome!
caldwell made it over here!
We lost two members but hopefully will find there way back, those two being Wosret and Mongrel.
Hmm lets see:
Lone Wolf is a kick to follow as is TClark both which have added a lot to the forum.
Agustino is missing in action but I have faith it won't be for long.
I am so glad you are back!
your lil' sis
Just joking, about the politician anyway. Good to see you here again.
A united response, no less.
Can only hope those missiles are "new" and "smart" enough to differentiate between innocent bystanders and goddamn wastes of skin.
Putin and the Russian government?
Unfortunately you can't out-smart nuclear weapons...
@Baden is now a she.
That was yesterday, this is today. I'm fluid like that.
Some on the right are against the bombing because they think we are helping Islamic fundamentalists and Iran who they absolutely hate, not because of any sudden conversion to morality (Michael Savage, the Islamophobic radio wing-nut is another crying crocodile tears on this front— listen to him reveal his true colors below). They may actually be right in this instance—the story doesn't add up— but if we were bombing Afghanistan or Iraq or any other traditional enemy, you wouldn't hear a word of dissent. Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, Russia deserves a black eye for its indiscriminate cluster bombing of rebel neighborhoods and Assad is a brutal tyrant who is capable of anything, so I'm not going to shed any tears at whatever "injustice" is being dreamed up by conservatives who are sad we aren't killing the right people today.
*The Russian government deserves immolation.
Although Archie is no longer getting support for breathing, it remains shallow at times and he even "forgets" to breathe at times. He quickly corrects himself but it's tiring for him and it takes a lot of effort for him to finish his bottles as a result. Nevertheless, he's growing well. He only receives Keppra, which is something against epileptic seizures and we haven't seen anything on the brain monitor for 48 hours. Before, when he forgot to breathe we saw repetitive brain signals suggesting something epileptic but there's no conclusive cause found yet (nor is it clear it's epilepsy). He remains under observation at the hospital and we're waiting for results of various tests.
Kind of reminds me of this little forgotten gem... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7ua8w
"During the holidays when vacations are incurred, it's a good time to vacation from yourself. Of course, you cannot vacate your body and go off somewhere, but you can alter your mind and frame of living so that, for well grounded purposes, you will be taking a vacation from yourself. Here are some of my suggestions...
So, in closing, I say: drop all cares and worries about politics, business, and the foreign situation. You will be astonished to find the world will manage to struggle on somehow. Take a vacation From Your-Self!"
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So nothing has changed, eh?
Good to hear. ;)
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Good to hear that unenlightened, fdrake and caldwell have arrived and are taking up the charge.
I know that Wosret is currently putting out a series of YouTube "open therapy sessions". I can link you that if you want.
TClark has kind of made his/her presence known. Probably I should have made my pointless point a bit clearer also indicating that nothing I post has any degree of seriousness, but well... whatever.
Sounds like I might wait until my head is clear to check out this Lone Wolf.
Benkei is has been busy.
Sis you just keep 'em all in line. ;)
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Jeremy Corbyn
why is britain always ____
cloudy?
at war?
"Okay. But let’s be real. We do tolerate atrocities like this all the time. For example, there’s a devastating famine killing children in Yemen right now. The Saudis are causing that famine. Should we drop tomahawks on Riyadh in response? Not until it’s on YouTube apparently, when you conduct foreign policy by viral video. Pictures are essential"
Tucker Carlson
Tucker has always come across as a fair fighter to me and I watch his show regularly. This show in particuliar caught me off guard as to the argument he was making and it made me think, what if he was right?
Were we being set up like another Iraq?
The real question is "Are we being set up?" and I mean the whole world. Are we all being manipulated by a bunch geeks sitting in the Pentagon using social websites to make us think what they want us to think?
What am I saying? I wish I knew what was wrong with Archie, I wish some of what I know could help Archie but I am at a loss and grasping at straws, which might be a touch of what your life feels like right now. But know I am beside you friend, searching for Archie's good health and for your family of 4 to find the peace it needs to be whole~ :heart:
Uh oh, what'd I do? :fear:
That would be awesome!
Quoting Mayor of Simpleton
Lone Wolf is warm forum member but can hold her own if necessary~ Kind of like you and I~ :wink:
I cannot imagine how life tired Benkei is but we will hold him up best we can from here. :hearts:
As far as keep 'em all in line?
Ever try to herd wet cats? :rofl:
Could the whole world be that naive? :chin:
You have only been yourself and that is amazing~
How many of the kids that saw this program were left with the impression that dogs and politicians are interchangeable, that presidents are pedophiles that like little kids touching them?
The Flintstones had programs about Fred being suspected of cheating on the missus and other social problems. Most cartoons had violence in them, characters getting chopped up or killed.
How long has Holy Wood and the rest of the industry been try to influence the way people act?
Maybe I asked the wrong question!
How long have they been setting us all up? :gasp:
I have a hard time believing that the videos of kids foaming at the mouth is a set up. :fear:
When a soldier is trained for bomb missions, the scariest part is a course that is 12 months long, that takes them through all the biological, neurological agents that are available for use. Those soldiers when interviewed are visibly shaken when they talk about the horrific effects of these agents, knowing that if the any rogue entity has them, that they themselves will likely be exposed to them.
Why? I know you are a lone wolf but I have noticed you, as have others and that is a good thing. You often write about what I can relate to in life and getting up and doing the daily grind again. I know your relationship with horses, the path you are traveling I have traveled before. The difference is that even though I have "ridden again" because I wasn't going to hang my riding hat up after such an accident but it was just to say "I got back up on that horse". The truth is? My spirit should remain on the ground now. I have spent my fair time riding bareback with no halter just his mane, I have ridden many mountain miles of trail and had such a love affair with my last riding horse, that it broke my heart.
You are to be admired to attack each day with the tenacity of youth that you do~
Have you ever been told that you are a beautiful person?
Because you are
Did he elaborate on this? Maybe it’s just what I want to call a ”rhetorical statement”. So I don't want to challenge him, or his stance. However the statement sparked a topic of intrigue in my mind, which is how well the use of nearly any ”specific” weapon systems can be justified ”within” a war or conflict.
If it won't offended you, I think I have some fun examples that act as thorough argument against that exact statemnet...
I think a better statement would have been: ”Going to war won't save lives or bring about peace.”
I think I then would present the public with statistical examinations of the casualty rates of ”evacuation, immigration, refugee camp and affordable housing development” vs. the casualties rates of ”offensive and defensive military operations”. The public would be faced with a profound truth I think. Which is that they simply feel more emotional satisfaction by having even a small percentage of the enemy killed; then they do by allowing their tax money to ”directly and effectively” create peace in anyone's life. Hunting and killing violent detractors, does not make a civilians life more peaceful, or less endangered.
Let's say that governments happen to spend more on ”refugee support, housing development, and aid” then they do on war... I would simply say then, well, do more...
May and Trump both have low approval ratings and there is nothing like decisive military action which fans the nationalistic flames to help improve their standing. I think the Iraq war helped save George W Bush from defeat and win a second term in office.
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My Big Black Unicorn
“This legally questionable action risks escalating further … an already devastating conflict."
“Theresa May should have sought parliamentary approval, not trailed after Donald Trump.”
Apparently he also said that this current bombing may jeopardize the possibility of bringing Assad forward to face war crimes.
Although true, I think the risk of going to war with Russia is too great this time to have it turn into a war. But Russia is the one who said that they would take away these nerve agents away from Syria and that does not seem to have happened. Either Russia or Syria by proxy are using chemicals that have been made illegal, even in times of war. As leaders of three nations, they could not stand idly by waiting to do something about it ONLY after it is used against them, they had to respond. Additionally, wasn't Russia found to be responsbilble for using a nerve agent on the door handles of a Russian exile in Britian, that sickened both he and his daughter? That would be reason enough for me to be on board if asked.
I'm finding his further statements rather vague, not that I wouldn't ally with the movement he’s trying push forward into the arena.
There’s another intriguing topic of examination though, I thought of this when DEVGRU killed bin Ladden. ”When it comes to emeny #1; which is the better option: termination, assassination, capture and execution, or capture and imprisonment?”
Perhaps an American can put it more clearly:
[quote= Dwight D. Eisenhower]
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.
This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.
The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. . . .[/quote]
https://archive.org/details/dde_1953_0416
That's more like it.
*resounding applause*
*salutes*
It is hard to overcome a situation like that when it triggers fear, but it is possible!
There have been many a time I wanted to quit. Quit living, quit trying, quit being. But I didn't, not sure if that is really to be admired or not. Even though it sounds silly here, it is by the grace of God I don't quit for the last time.
Here are my horses!
EDIT: Fixed it!
I don't visit the forum for a few days and this happens?! :rofl:
Welcome back to the madhouse. You don't need an invitation to join the charade. Feel free to get stuck in!
I feel at home already. :grin:
Oh, and Atlantis exists. It's here in the Shoutbox.
Why the fuck do you feel the need to tear people down? Is that the only way that you can feel better about yourself?
The past called and wanted to let you know that it's time to get the fuck over it and move on.
Hardly a sufficent answer.
For the lulz?
Heavy snow is just so depressing!
Fear not, for you have me and my smartassery to keep you entertained.
There's also a book about me:
A #1 NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLER
One of the most salient features of our culture is that there is so much bullshit. Everyone knows this. Each of us contributes his share. But we tend to take the situation for granted. Most people are rather confident of their ability to recognize bullshit and to avoid being taken in by it. So the phenomenon has not aroused much deliberate concern. We have no clear understanding of what bullshit is, why there is so much of it, or what functions it serves. And we lack a conscientiously developed appreciation of what it means to us. In other words, as Harry Frankfurt writes, "we have no theory."
Frankfurt, one of the world's most influential moral philosophers, attempts to build such a theory here. With his characteristic combination of philosophical acuity, psychological insight, and wry humor, Frankfurt proceeds by exploring how bullshit and the related concept of humbug are distinct from lying. He argues that bullshitters misrepresent themselves to their audience not as liars do, that is, by deliberately making false claims about what is true. In fact, bullshit need not be untrue at all.
Rather, bullshitters seek to convey a certain impression of themselves without being concerned about whether anything at all is true. They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant. Frankfurt concludes that although bullshit can take many innocent forms, excessive indulgence in it can eventually undermine the practitioner's capacity to tell the truth in a way that lying does not. Liars at least acknowledge that it matters what is true. By virtue of this, Frankfurt writes, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.
It is because he is an areshole
OK, but the snow will melt and things will get better. But Sappo does not seem to want to change, he is going to continue to be an areshole.
I have had it on my "to read" list for a while now. Or should I say to listen to list cus I don't do much actual reading nowadays.
I will let you know in a couple of weeks.
After some careful analysis, I inferred the same thing. :smile:
Funny that this is what finally caused the meltdown seeing as Trump broke most of his campaign promises already. I suspect at this point that Alex is shilling for Putin.
Now why would you suspect something like that? Where the hell is the "lost in deep thought" emoticon?
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Cus you is a bad boy. :wink:
Because suffering is inherently meaningful, which is to say that desire is the limit of philosophy. That's why I left academic philosophy.
Man, I like your post. Kind of curious to know if the book has anything to say about being a badass, a smartass, or else a dumbass and the sociological implications of each category … sort of the same general topic, but they’re clearly distinct from the category of the book’s title. One nice thing about these categories, for example, is that they’re gender-neutral.
Yes, at last -- something that is finally gender neutral and appropriately so.
Thanks, but ... the text in my post is from the Amazon site -- I should have labeled it clearly as such. I haven't read either one -- more the title than the content appealed. Well, actually, I did buy Assholes and it just didn't seem worth pursuing once I got into it.
Someone thinks you are promoting bullshit on the site, hope they don't try to ban you selling stuff. Keep a low profile for a couple of days and let it blow over. :cool:
I thought all this was a flushing operation. No?
This is Hummus
And Felafel
And this is Baba Ghanoush.
I named them myself. I was hungry.
Colonialism-lite doesn't get much worse than that.
What?
Oh, it's an insult, now I see. Nice edit.
An argument?
Yeah, like, walking around with your dingle dangle out for everyone to see at your local gay nudest beach? You bad boy, you.
No, but I would mock her too. It's fun and it's like a test to see what kind of person you are. Different families have different family values. I would rather be an orphan than be part of a family who reacts like a hothead to a bit of mockery. My actual family is not like that at all. But the main reason is because the second commandment, which is one of the two commandments upon which hang all the law and the prophets, says to do so. Mock thy neighbour as thyself.
I'm just trying to be a good Christian.
Quoting Hanover
Yeah, I don't think she saw the funny side. I'm not sure whether it's in her programming.
Quoting Hanover
The best kind!
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No really, I'd love to hear your argument for why your names for those animals are not Colonialism-lite.
Oh dear Sappy, you just need to lighten up. I've taken to making bad jokes along the style of your own. BC didn't seem to get it. Maybe try being less serious about the things you care about, and being more serious about the things you don't care about. And think it through before you respond.
Apricot.
Why would I argue with a smug elitist from New York who has never stepped foot in the Middle East about a subject he knows nothing about and who only said that because he is a smug, elitist from New York trying to ruin the vibe of this place?
Remember that moment you once told me to fuck off? It's reciprocated.
Ooh! I see what you did therrr. :ok:
So by your logic, because I'm "from" New York (did I grow up there? Did I move there? Are we talking New York State, are we talking New York City?), and have never stepped foot in the mid east (and you know this how?), and I therefore know nothing about "a" subject (which subject? Delicious cold apps like baba, hummus, etc? I actually just ate a delicious dinner of Qudsia, Grape Leaves, and an obligatory Zataar pie. Why? Because I was craving that food and I happen to live in the largest Middle Eastern neighborhood in NYC. But that means nothing; it has no bearing on this discussion. Or is the subject horseback transport in the mideast? You've got me there; I was never great on a steed).
As to me being smug, I guess we'd need to define that term. "Pride in one's achievements" doesn't well describe someone working an hourly wage in a retail job 40 hours a week in an industry he cares nothing for. Smug, indeed, seems a disingenuous term, at the least.
Elitist? Well, I was home schooled through high school in the mid west of the US, about the least elitist area of the modern Western world one could grow up in, and I went to the local Unversity because it was convenient, and received a degree in a subject I wasn't interested in. Elite indeed, considering I essentially wasted my college education. Truly, your deductive skills as an astute mod of this forum are incredible.
Trying to ruin the vibe of this place? Yes, I'm trying to ruin whatever bullshit nonsense I see posted here, like your photos.
Yes, I remember when I told you to fuck off. I'd rather you literally tell me to "fuck off" than vainly attempt to emotionally manipulate me into your bullshit twilight world. Go ahead, tell me to fuck off. I'd welcome it, in contrast to your own response to that salutation.
Edited to clarify that I told you to fuck off. These things are important, and I made a quick mistake in the heat of the moment.
Do I pass the grade???
Hmm... :chin:
I'm dying to know...
Let's see...
Nah, as I said to @TimeLine, fuck off.
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It's devastating, I know. Say it twice, and the movie's rated R.
Why is everyone so mean to me? I thought we were fwends. :cry:
:cry: People don't like me either. Maybe we have a misunderstanding. Can we be fwiends? A theist and an atheist? It seems too perfect.
Hmm... I'll have to submit a formal request to the Grand Council of Atheists.
See, that's your problem. I stopped doing that shit years ago.
Heretic!
Who's the heretic? According to what? Embrace your inner devotee.
Ooh! Can you let me know, too? I'm dying to hear all about it. And maybe you could spice things up a little by throwing in an insult or two, or telling me to grow up. (That gives me the hots).
Oh by the way, how does this address the issue of weather your photos are Colonialism-lite? That's the topic at hand.
Not too bad. Getting better, but I hear it's only a short spell this week. Better make the most of it while it lasts! (Like staying in all day glued to the interwebs).
Colonialism has that effect, generally. Sometimes it's even a noticeable affect.
No? No response? An apology would at least be appreciated. We're both human beings here, with different experiences and different perspectives on life.
But is the condition of being an asshole pre-determined? Perhaps the many people who are assholes can not avoid being assholes? Is it the fault of brilliant people that they are so smart? Is it the fault of obtuse literalists that they can't catch a slightly subtle joke if their lives depended on it?
The condition of assholeness is normally distributed in the population, and because of quantum mechanics, no matter how you sample the population, 33.3% will always turn out to be assholes -- as they will be quick to tell you. 33.3% of The Philosophy Forum members are assholes as well. Obviously that doesn't mean that 66.6% are lovely people. Actually only about 12.1% manage to achieve that status. another 33.3% of the population are made up of liars, thieves, knaves, and scoundrels. So far we have accounted for 78.7% of the population. Then there are ordinary jerks, idiots, imbeciles, and morons. That's another 14%. 92.7% and counting. The remaining 7.3% of the population are indeterminate. That won't last. Soon they will reveal themselves to be assholes, liars, thieves, knaves, scoundrels, jerks, idiots, imbeciles, and morons.
Most people can not escape their doom, try as they might. The cookie bakers and lunch bringers are as compelled to Feed The People as Americans are compelled to annoy the French. (Everybody, pretty much, is compelled that way.) Assholes can't help themselves. It is who they are.
The more complex question is whether it is a better state-of-being to be compelled to be a liar, thief, knave, scoundrel, jerk, idiot, imbecile, moron; or an asshole. Or, possibly, one of the lovely people. The cookie bakers, after all, MUST bring you cookies. They have no choice. They are powerless to resist. It's 3:00 am, there is a need. They are in the kitchen making chewy chocolate chip cookies (using eggs, butter, brown sugar, Guittard chocolate, and organic walnuts). They'll deliver them still warm. And chewy. Irresistible even to strict, pleasure-denying, iron-willed vegans.
Assholes are the same way. It's a fine spring day; the flowers are blooming, warm breezes blow, not a cloud in the sky, and some asshole comes along and says something that just RUINS YOUR DAY. Probably insinuated that your horses need new shoes, or something.
I've released it from the mod queue. :up:
Luve u 2.
Slavoj Zizek does an interesting taxonomy of stupid people, dividing them into 'idiots', 'morons', and 'imbeciles' (as per your terms above). So, idiots are people who misinterpret things, like they take the metaphorical literally and vice versa; so, always getting things wrong but still able to function and understand society at large while not always going along with it. Morons are another level. These are people who understand everything perfectly insofar as that's necessary to do what they are supposed to do but no more. So, completely unimaginative conformists who add nothing to the status quo. Dream employees in low level jobs. Then imbeciles are at another level. These people are so removed from society in terms of their intellectual incapacitation, they are not expected to follow its norms. Expect the unexpected with an imbecile.
Not sure about assholes. Maybe there are assholes who know they're assholes and know when to stop and assholes who don't know and therefore don't stop, or worse, who know and will never stop.
Your philosophical prowess in response to my posts, and specifically as a mod responding to posts of mine that have mysteriously disappeared, is truly stunning. When I think of a mod as a leader to be emulated, where else could I possibly turn?
So, I'm a mystery now. Sweet. It was my accidental deletion, folks. Now restored. Carry on.
Release the private messages!
(I miss Susan).
You are indeed a sweet mystery,Baden. As to the mystery of one disappearing post in which TimeLine made a response, a response which I then made a further response to...well, I think the cards are played out and visible.
Release ALL the private messages! Let chaos reign!
Rest assured...
Oh by the way, still waiting for your detailed response to my detailed reply to your accusations that I'm "from NY", smug, and elitist. I await your mod-erate wisdom.
Please don't be too upset if I say vaguely, as there is a long line of people who where somewhat "contentious" about various issues. I don't really remember anything that was stressing for really bothersome, so that's a good thing.
The beauty of this little shed known as The Philosophy Forum... there is always someone who views things differently and has no hesitation to inform one of these differences (some in a well mannered fashion and others in a flaming manner). The only one's who "stress me" are those who tend more to the flaming insults (who I tend to simply ignore) who fail to understand all this is is an exchange of ideas and notions; thus take it far to seriously, which I cannot remember from your side. ;)
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Listen, I know you are eager for a fight, chasing me around the forum trying to provoke me but all I can say to you is this:
No, I'm just waiting for a real response to my arguments.
(I meant it in a good way).
And who's Susan? Agustino?
:lol:
Same.
You're an idiot then. (Don't worry, that's the best one. :up: )
More than likely nothing at all.
More than likely the suspeceted problems (if indeed they really would exist) have more to do with my probable lack of understanding of things. I'm not really the sharpest knief in the drawer.
I trust Tiff (my philosophical virtual sister) in many of the matters and more than likely we'd have no problem attempting dialogues. If I don't get it I can say I really don't take that too seriously. Afterall... you are only resonsible for what you write and honestly cannot take responsibility for what I cannot understand.
I can say with a sort of a degree of certainty that clarity is not really a part of my skills set, but no worries I prefer to tell jokes... even if I'm the only one who laughs.
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How could that possibly be meant not in a good way???
How's the hooters?
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:lol:
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Yeah, I'm not that memorable unfortunately. :hearts:
Notice my user name... the simpleton part is not an accident. Just ask a couple of folks here who seriously take serious issue with my seriously complete and utter lack of seriousness about any serious issues.
Seriously!
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Oh god, so much lulz...
... then I throw-up a hairball on the bed, claw the furniture and take issue with being called a "ginger".
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But we already knew, so the test taught us nothing other than something about the maker of the test.
That he's an awesome guy. Yeah, I know.
This is one instance where I would advise you to give in to peer pressure and just lay off. There are some people who will never appreciate your humor so the result is in and no further testing is required.
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No, this is where we do the SHOUTING. :wink:
Also, Starbucks is facing a public relations disaster after two black men were arrested and handcuffed in Philadelphia because they hadn’t ordered anything while waiting for a friend to arrive. Thank goodness no one was hurt. IMHO, the men who were arrested played it well by refusing to leave and relatively calmly allowed themselves to be handcuffed. Rosa Parks and MLK Jr would be proud.
/political babbling
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Stop.
Thanks. :up: :victory:
Excellent points. The truth is I don't know. Maybe we should ask some of the more intellectual MEMBERS(pick your favorite meaning) of the forum for their input.
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Could I please have a copy of the survey? That is absolutely fantastic, such clear, concise data. How many subjects took part in the survey?
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Oh god! I have just had a nightmarish thought flash into my head. What if we have a moronic asshole here?
Quoting Bitter Crank
Yes I know well the feeling. Those types usually get called students though. :smile:
Three words. Lost In Space. One word. Netflix. One Word. Awesome.
I was wondering about that. I used to watch the original, but the movie with William Hurt and Gary Oldman was terrible. I was going to avoid it, but I'll take a look. Does the robot say "Danger, Will Robinson!!"
Here's a sad thought, I can name most of the original cast - Angela Cartwright, Billy Mumy, Guy Williams, June.... geez....Timmy's mom from Lassie.... Lockhart! Can't remember Dr. Smith or the other two. Or the robot. So, anyway. Half the cast.
Good news everyone!
An asteroid similar in size to one that exploded more than 100 years ago in Russia's Tunguska region in Siberia gave Earth a close shave on Sunday (April 15), just one day after astronomers discovered the object.
"Hey guys, I know I was supposed to be checking for asteroids headed our way, but....
[I]Three words...[/I]
LOL yep
How is Archie doing? Are you at home yet or still in the hospital? :hearts:
Greenland (island) or Antartica would be good because a smashing hit there would speed up the ocean's rising level and would kill few people outright. It would mean years of great science and tons of interesting programs on television. The oceans are going to rise; we might as well get it over with. The rising oceans would eliminate a lot of economic activity and would cut CO2 emissions.
Most of the continents are just not suitable. The Western Hemisphere is covered by the Monroe Doctrine which rules out meddlesome asteroids. Europe is united against asteroids, (except Britain -- but the UK isn't quite big enough to absorb an asteroid). Africa is disadvantaged, and it would be unfair if the asteroid landed there--not to mention it would also be decidedly racist for an asteroid to strike there. Siberia would be good, of course, but they have already had their turn.
Asia is obviously the best location. We could all do with a drop in the world's population, and there is more population there than anywhere else. On the other hand, if the asteroid could arrange to impact the middle east, it would eliminate ever so many problems at one time. Like simplifying European and American foreign policy and concluding the tiresome Israeli-Arab conflict. It would eliminate a lot of oil production (good for the global climate.)
So, first choice, Antartica and/or Greenland. Second Choice, Western Asia. Third choice, east or south Asia. BTW, whatever happened to that Chinese space station? Did it burn up in the atmosphere?
Just finished the first episode. Jury is out, but I'll definitely watch another episode or two.
We'll save Australia. Don't want to hurt no kangaroos. We'll build an all-American amusement park there. They've got surfing too!
Here's a viscous song about kangaroos, displaying all the delicacy and sophistication of Australians that we have come to expect.
And if that isn't enough, here's a slice of retro To Tell the Truth relevant to the present erudite discussion.
Bring it on. Us Aussies would turn it into a BBQ. We have our version of everything.
If you could, the farthest acre of our ranch would be a great landing area! :lol: It might make the ranch less hospitable and hence she will relocate.
Look I am getting desperate here! :fear:
I remember that song when it came out. It had a line in it "Let me aboes go loose, Moose, let me aboes go loose, they're of no further use, Moose, so let me aboes go loose." I didn't realize till I was grown that "aboe" meant aborigine. So the guy was telling this friend to let his aborigine slaves go. Of course, this was far, far, back in the past. You know, 1960s. I guess the writer went back and changed the lyrics after the original version came out.
If we could get it to land on Yellowstone, it would set off the supervolcano magma chamber there and we'd get twice the boom.
Moose?!!! Surely you mean Bruce.
Checked on web. It says "Lou." Bruce is better.
Are you using them to make soup now? :worry:
Or I guess so?
I was a little surprised by the difference in awards he received and what Dylan received, $15K vs $900K I guess highlighting the difference between a Nobel Prize and a Pulitzer Prize.
I just find it ironic that my millennial peers are excited about it when I guarantee none of them cared about the Pulitzer until now. Charles Ives supposedly said “Prizes are for boys and I’m all grown up” upon receiving his Pulitzer, the money from which he apparently donated.
I like to follow awards such as the Pulitzer, the Nobel Prize and other awards to appreciate (or not) what other people think is good, however I also think these awards are the way rich people get their rocks off.
Yup.
I think the rich have rather more numerous ways of getting their rocks off than giving prizes to the peasants who ply them with pleasure. Besides which, Joseph Pulitzer is way beyond caring whether his rocks are got off or not. From Wiki: "Pulitzer introduced the techniques of yellow journalism to the newspapers he acquired in the 1880s." Dirty work, but somebody had to do it.
It plys their sense of guilt...Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation for instance.
The Boston Globe won a Putlitzer for it's coverage of sexual abuse by priests in the Catholic Church. It always struck me they should have won a Nobel Peace Prize. I agree about Obama. And Kissinger - you shouldn't get a prize for ending a war you were responsible for. But Nelson Mandela, of course. Mikhail Gorbachev, yes.
Do you know how I know this is a lie? Because they're the Nobel prizes, not the Noble prizes.
Your subterfuge had been undone by poor spelling.
@Hanover Are we talking about the Man in Black dude again? :chin:
(And it was Fuckfacelover69. What a lying toe rag.)
Lexicographically speaking, "alternate" and "substitute."
Slight sight of a sense of humor....How is Archie? :eyes:
hoping hoping hoping
Riddle of the Day, addendum 1, April 18, 2018
What does lexicographically mean?
Would taking Latin have helped me here?
Lexicography, from the web -
The art or craft of compiling, writing and editing dictionaries. (linguistics) The scholarly discipline of analyzing and describing the semantic, syntagmatic and paradigmatic relationships within the lexicon (vocabulary) of a language
No latin required.
:up: See my parents required us kids to take 4 years of a foreign language and in Chicago, Spanish was not that popular and since she is in the field of medicine she wanted me to take Latin. Needless to say Spanish has served me well here in Arizona.
Actually no. I won the Noble prize, given out by Hank Noble at Noble's Feed & Seed on Hwy 35. His prize postdated the Nobel prize by 8 minutes in a strange moment of cosmic coincidence, but because it came later it was forced into oblivion and lost to the anals of time. Anals is not misspelled here either, but is an inside joke that explains the 8 minute delay.
These facts are so strange they couldn't be made up so must be true.
We could take Spanish, French, Latin, or German in high school, but I took none of them because back then as long as you could drool you could get into the University of Georgia. I then took French in college because maybe my friend was taking it. I'm not sure, but I'm sure it was well thought out, but I did ok eventually. When I was in France 25 years later I heard this lady yelling at us "gauche, gauche," and I was able to tell the kids that means get to the left in jibber jabber language so they ought to move over to the wrong side of the line because that's how they do it here.
This is the same University as where you are sending your son? :yikes:
Your Freudian slip is showing. :lol:
Quoting Lone Wolf
I am not trying to put anyone down here, I just thought it was funny.
What do dogs drink in their coffee?
Hmm... not bad. Not what I had in mind. My answer -
Arf and arf.
Maybe yours is better.
Rut roo.... the good news is you get to spend more time with US! :up:
Aww what is your cat's name so I can keep him in my thoughts and prayers~ :heart:
His name is Walter. He's just a sweet baby. Thank you.
Made a joke about Hanover rear end.
Quoting Hanover
:eyes:
Damn shame cellphone did not exist back them, he would have made a YouTube star.
Tired of beating me? :rofl:
I'm being paid by the Russians.
And I have better hair.
How is Walter doing? :heart:
Interesting question on 420 :ok:
Some insects like drosphila apparently don't have cannabinoid receptors, unlike most other primitive and higher animals. So I'm not so sure there will be much human testing of this :joke: ....although there are a few red light districts around.
:rofl:
Surgery was successful. Because they removed a rather large mass from his neck he's been really uncomfortable and hasnt been eating yet. But we've seen improvement. Fingers crossed for the biopsy results.
Woah you’re right!
More sanctions means less money for Kim and his cronies to steal from their own economy. They have also proved their military point by flouting international law through the testing of missiles that can now reach mainland US. So, the limits of ideology have been reached I think, and it's now time to relax and enjoy the filthy lucre that leaders of developing countries with capitalist economies the world over are bathing in. As for Trump, his unpredictability has probably hastened that decision, so good for him.
Well, Trump hasn't noticed any substantial increases in popularity since the event, so false positive I guess.
That is great to hear that surgery was successful! Healing takes time and time is something we cannot rush but never forget that the power that made the body, can heal the body~ :heart:
I think this is historically inaccurate. I don't believe Schrodinger spoke English. But - since I haven't actually checked, I guess you could say he both did and didn't speak English.
Easier than in Minni-soda
Have you ever been in a Waffle House?
:lol:
Please?
Preferably the earlier one.
Actually, I've only been in a couple of Waffle Houses, and they've been fine. A bit Dennyish. Ok waffles, but nothing to go out of your way for. On the other hand, they have a reputation for being full of drunks and drug addicts at 2 in the morning puking on the floor.
"Believed to be"? If the police don't have him in custody, doesn't that pretty much have to mean he is still at large?
Nashville is apparently a groovier place than I had previous thought if a naked guy can remain at large for... 18 hours without being noticed. What are they smoking down there? Or perhaps he stole some clothing and disguised himself as a woman. Yeah, with a wig and a little make up he could definitely do good drag. Hiding in plain sight.
For those unfamiliar, there are thousands of Waffle Houses in the South. Sometimes there will be one on each side of the street. Where I live, there are 4 within a few miles. They are always open (24/7/365). In fact, they are so reliably open that FEMA has created the Waffle House Index, which charts the severity of a disaster by how many Waffle Houses have closed and how reduced their menus might be due to the disaster. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffle_House_Index.
In addition to protecting my community, they serve the finest food in all the world. The 50,000 calorie Grand Slam that I treat myself to several times a month consists of A waffle (blueberries are extra), hash browns (cheese and onions are extra), bacon (or sausage), eggs (however you like them, I prefer scrambled with cheese), and raisin toast with butter. You can chase it down with sweet tea that tastes a whole lot like the waffle syrup.
Occasionally (usually every other Tuesday) a gun wielding naked man comes in and orders a coffee and maybe some steak and eggs and then leaves happy, but I suppose inconsistencies in service might result in differing customer attitudes and reactions.
Here was a recent would be robbery at a local Waffle House that made the news several weeks ago. The customer shot so quickly, it seems like he already had his gun drawn in anticipation.
I am sorry to hear the news but don't give up hope on Walter and his quality of life. I know it sounds crazy but if you can get Walter to eat an inch of a brown Banana a day, mixed with Liver Sausage or such it will help suppress the Cancer growth (My Mom's dogs Leukemia numbers were off the charts and she lived another 6 months with no increase in pain, was it the Banana? Maybe but it didn't hurt). But when the time comes know that you can give Walter some of his pain meds before he leaves home so he is sleepy, the last sense is that of scent so make sure you give him a worn tshirt of yours to lay his head on and know, that Walter will be comfortable with the love you share with him. {{{{Walter}}}} {{{{You}}}}
Unconditional love makes the world go around~ :hearts: :pray: :heart:
Wait, wait, wait.....you make it sound so upscale like Denny's, please refrain from such insults. Comeon Hanover, tell the folks the truth, you spared them the terms that Waffle House advertises to prepare their food to your liking. What happened to customizing your order to be "splattered, smattered, smothered, covered, chunked or capped"?
Which to someone who cannot drink, sounds an awful lot like what happens the MORNING after a night of heavy drinking, not something you would want to consume to absorb the alcohol. :roll:
It's scattered, smothered, and covered, which means scattered on the grill, smothered with onions, and covered with cheese. Here's your handy guide to all the lingo:
It is no comparison when it comes pricing as food is what Denny's actually serves. Nothing like what Waffle House serves, that should carry a *WARNING: Waffle House's 'food stuff' should never to be consumed by a sober human.
That aside any chef worth their salt would never been seen eating at such an establishment let alone cooking at one. Face it Hanover, all of their food arrives on one truck: the frozen truck. So when you think you are paying for "blueberries" understand that the only reason they are there is because they are transported frozen, just like their "fresh" eggs that come in a milk like carton.
At least at Denny's they play with your food before it is served, rather than at Waffle House where the customers are told to 'pretend' it's food.
Do you know what kind of bank a server makes in a shift at Waffle House? I don't.
But I do know what kind of bank a Denny's server makes because my eldest did it for a while. $50 - $75 a shift and considering you don't bus your own tables, that's pretty good spending cash in addition to their hourly servers wage.
You can watch them crack the eggs, so they are real eggs, not military ration egg powder. And, it is delicious, so whatever they put on that magic truck doesn't lose its fine flavor in transit. The company is also headquartered in Atlanta, the single most delicious city in the universe, where it rains lemondrops and gumdrops all summer long.
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
And here it is. Your pro-Denny's bias comes through because your son worked there. Your credibility has been thrown out the window. I do not know what a Waffle House service professional earns during a seating, but I suspect it's impressive based upon my generous tipping patterns.
Quoting Hanover
This is clearly an argument by religious zealots that is descending into vitriol and insult. I'll flag it so Baden can do his thing.
Waffleology? I'm on board. Bring on the magic waffles.
No one should run the risk of accidentally eating at a cafe-like joint frequented by drunks and drug addicts where they will be served nothing better than food-like matter, and do not have a properly marked vomitorium.
Archie is coming home today! We've got medicine against the epilepsy but that will pass. We have a monitor for home because he snores so heavily he gets saturation dips. To avoid that he sleeps on his tummy now but since that's a bit dangerous at this age due to a risk of suffocation we use the monitor.
:smile: :up:
The rules are fairly clear:
"Racists, homophobes, sexists, Nazi sympathisers, Waffleologists, etc.: We don't consider your views worthy of debate, and you'll be banned for espousing them."
Wooo Hooo! I am over the MOON in happiness today! Yippe Archie! You are a Warrior and one that carries an American name! Sometime when your Dad catches his breath, he might tell us how your name came about! Till then take it easy on your folks and breathe easy my little Dutch friend~ :heart: :heart: :heart:
Oh Hanover, it goes much deeper than that, so much deeper than that. Grab a coffee and sit down for a stay....
Back when we were working our way up through the BMX riding world and our son set his sights on being ready to qualify for the Rio Olympics, we did a lot of traveling by truck to National Races around the desert Southwest. I was one female among a gaggle of young gentlemen and a few older gentlemen and I was the one pushing the healthy, fuel based food, hydration and general Mom. The males I was traveling with ALWAYS wanted to stop at Waffle House on the way home after the races. I refused to even entertain the idea of bringing these healthy kids and putting that 'food stuff' into their bodies and won, or so I thought.
The kids were getting to the age that they could pitch in a buck or two when it came to buying Christmas presents and so the first year they did, NicK helped them with their ahem... creativity. NicK with a @#*^ eating grin told me in private that he was going to take the kids shopping and he was taking them shopping somewhere I had never let them go. I am sure you have an idea what ideas ran through my mind. :yikes:
So they went shopping on four different nights, Canary smiles as they left each time and came home after I was asleep. Oh the laughter and shhhhs going on the night before Christmas as they were wrapping my gift for the morning, my they were having a good time and the more they laughed the angrier my looks got to NicK, as my inability to pump my children of the information was really starting to wear on me.
Christmas morning came and the first present I wanted to open was the one from them. HUGE box as gifts go and with the camera trained on me, I was so excited to see what they had been working so hard to find me and the time arrived! I opened the box and inside on the very top was a brand new Waffle House paper cooks hat! Beneath that was a Waffle House server visor, their logo front and center, a Waffle House Apron, a Hamilton Waffle Iron, Maple Syrup and of course a box of Waffle mix, just add water.
You can imagine my skin crawling as I opened my present they had worked so hard on and I couldn't even fake liking it, which they found flipping hilarious that they "got" Mom. So I turned to the only other adult in the room and I said and....it took you four nights to put this gift together boys? Wow! You worked really hard and Mom is very proud of you~ Thank you! To which my youngest replied: "It wasn't that hard Mom but can we have something other than Waffles?" Shocked I was like are you kidding? With this beautiful Waffle maker? I am curious though, how did you get the Waffle House cooks hat and servers visor?
Which is when NicK piped in and said it took us eating waffles on four different nights, at four different Waffle Houses, to talk the staff into giving us the props we needed to complete your very own Home Waffle House set up.
I have served revenge to my eldest son already, my youngest still has his to come and as for NicK? I don't know man, it's going to take some time, a bit of thought and the element of surprise.
But anyway, Waffle House is far superior to Denny's, even if Waffle House symbolizes mean Santa to you. In fact, the Denny's near me, which was right next to a Waffle House, closed down after just a few months of business. I'm hoping another Waffle House will open there so that there will be a Waffle House to the right of me regardless of how I park my car.
My favourite crap American restaurant chains are A&W and Auntie Anne's. My least favourite is Carl's Jr. What crap do you like to eat?
I used to have those gills but they fell off. Now I have to eat kale.
Wait, I thought you were the Waffleologist.
Yeah. Can't help it. Sometimes it just has to be McDonalds. I used to eat there when hamburgers were $0.12 and cheeseburgers were $0.13. It was always a special treat. The closest one was in Annapolis, about an hour and a half away. We'd only get to go there if the family was driving to Baltimore.
Oh it is absolutely us trying to mess with each other and NicK and I are the ones who started this whole game. I mentioned I got my eldest son back already and that was two years ago when I made Blintzes for breakfast both cheese and blueberry. I serve a side of blueberry compote to put atop the cheese blintz and when my son asked for more, I handed him the bowl of blueberry compote but had slipped in one black olive. OMG you should have seen his face turn sour at the confusing taste, running into the kitchen to spit it out and I just smiled. The same canary smile that he had offered to me during the nights his father was out corrupting them. He called me on it and I just smiled.
My youngest has never participated in the ruckus of the family and NicK, well, making him wonder when paybacks will happen is fun enough for me.
As far as two Waffle Houses in one parking lot? How about I just send you this Waffle House kit that has never been used and if I look around, I could probably even score you a Denny's apron to serve in.
Draketown, Georgia, USA this last weekend
@Hanover do you see what you started? Baden thinks that Beer Root or Hops should not be served in ice cold mugs. :vomit: Now that is the bottom of the barrel, kind of like the food at Cracker Barrel.
They have a dish called "Chicken Fried Chicken" at Cracker Barrel...
:worry: It's spreading...
Do you see what @Hanover started???
Country fried steak is a thin ground beef patty battered and deep fried with white gravy on the top. If you substitute a thin chicken patty for the ground beef patty, you get chicken fried chicken (and it's not so thin that it's like a schnitzel). The chicken substitute is for the health conscious.
I don't like A&W. My actual favorite is Wendy's if it's junk food you're looking for, or Chick-fil-A. I go to Burger King sometimes too. But really the best burger place for the price is Steak and Shake, where you can get a whole meal for around $5.00.
No, but your partner's age must be a healthy BMI.
Which is 18-25.
Me and my sweetie catching some rays at the beach:
I spent five months in Tuscaloosa a few years ago and became aware of Meat and Three. Mr. Bills - "Pass the cornbread. More pudding please." 4 stars on Yelp. Pasty cornbread, canned banana pudding, powdered mashed potatoes, hockey puck hamburg steak with gelatinous mucous on top. Sweet tea. Cheap.
Right up the street from there. The Front Porch Restaurant. Same food, although their fried chicken was not bad. Even cheaper. Fox News on the TV. Only 3.5 stars on Yelp.
I tried the BMI calculator. It said I was fat. I told it I wanted a second opinion. It told me I was ugly too.
Well, you may not be beach body ready but at least you scored Hanover.
Thanks, and I feel so secure with you holding me tight.
Is your point that we shouldn't be concerned about aggressive acts of anti-Semitism, racism, and general acts of hate as long as they're isolated incidences?
To the extent there are unprincipled politicians when it comes to excusing racist comments and acts, the Democrats provide no better standard than the Republicans.
My own position is that racists of all stripes can fuck off, even if they might offer support for my candidate.
How did you get the impression that I think that? Can you not distinguish between being apologetic and writing a KKK rally off as unimportant?
I was speaking in earnest. If you can't meet me there, fine.
Why not?
What does condemning them look like for you? Is it shutting down their rights to free speech and freedom of assembly, or arguing against them on substantive and principled grounds? As I see it, those bums in the field burning a swastika are doing less to threaten the fabric of American society than are the rabid and reactionary leftists who want to shut down, through hate, sexism, and racism of their own, every form of thinking that isn't in line with theirs. If you think that neo-Nazis in America are on the verge of some holocaustal rampage, you've not only fallen off your rocker, but also bounced off the porch and into the gutter. Posts like Cava's merely serve as straw men against the right so that there is mass hysteria over Nazis and white supremacists and whomever else, all the while done in an attempt to distract you from the slow genocide of differing opinions and ideas that goes on in colleges and universities. Perhaps you're too old and stuck in the suburbs to see this, but it's frankly ridiculous that people legitimately worry about Nazis in the 21st century.
I'm not sure neo-Nazis are up for a substantive argument. My view is that they be subjected to public ridicule, be ostracized, and be excluded from civil society, not through violating their free speech rights, but by exposing them for what they are, and by warning the ignorant of their presence and danger.Quoting Buxtebuddha
And because you rank evil X higher than evil Y, we must ignore evil Y? You're being illogical.Quoting Buxtebuddha
And so if they aren't going to systematically murder people, they pose no danger? Again, this isn't well reasoned at all. Quoting Buxtebuddha
I'm not sure how condemning Nazis furthers the liberal agenda. I also don't know what a slow figurative genocide is, or whatever illogical non-sequiter metaphor you're painting.Quoting Buxtebuddha
The picture he posted was a factual one that spoke to the fact that in 2018 there exists horrible hate and ignorance. It wasn't an editorial cartoon. It was a picture of an event a couple hours drive from my house. Quoting Buxtebuddha
It pains me really to read this. I hope I'm never too old and too safe to remember - Zachor. www.zachorfoundation.org
Public ridicule, ostracizing, exclusion from civil society - hmm, are you sure you're not the Nazi, here? Perhaps in addition to treating neo-Nazis like cattle you'd also require them to sew a swastika on their shirt so everyone knows "them for what they are." After all, shaming is the best way of building bridges of sympathy and understanding, just ask the gays, and the gypsies, and the disabled, and the juice, and the...
Quoting Hanover
And where did I say that we must ignore evil Y? Oh, that's right, no where, :up:
Quoting Hanover
Aaaaaaand where did I say that neo-Nazis posed no danger at all? Ah, yes, that's right...no where...
Quoting Hanover
Were you to move outside your comfy upscale Southern suburb, perhaps my illogical non-sequitur metaphor will prove itself to be nothing of the sort.
Quoting Hanover
I absolutely agree that there exists horrible hate and ignorance in America today, and you are a perfect example of it.
Quoting Hanover
You would do well to remember the pitch and tenor of hate that helped spawn Nazism in the first place. Fighting hate with hate serves no productive end.
What danger do you think they pose?
Perhaps not a danger danger, but I do think it's pretty silly for people to resonate with Nazi symbolism on some ideological basis. I find Nazi Germany and the politics, economics, etc. surrounding the time period to be immensely interesting, but that doesn't mean I'm a Nazi or fail to see how destructive and backwards much of the ideology was, just as not every one who studies Russian history is a Marxist.
But to answer your question more directly, I think the danger with "neo-Nazis" in America is the allowance for equally extreme positions on the other side of the political spectrum. In other words, for every Nazi there's some Marxist millennial with their hair on fire and screaming about this and that. There's also the issue of Nazi imagery being used simply for shock value as a ploy to garner attention. Without reading up on these people you might think that they've all read Mein Kampf and fancy bald heads across the board, but it's not really the case. Obviously lots do, but once again, there is this narrative which paints America as this racist, sexist juggernaut of a failed state with Nazis roping down chimneys and police offers murdering blacks in genocidal massacres. Sorry, but that's all, as I said earlier, rabid and reactionary nonsense.
A Nazi is one advocating the systematic slaughter of non-Aryans. My opposition to that chosen ideology is reasonable and earned. Do you disagree?Quoting Buxtebuddha
They voluntarily wear that insignia and they recently burned a swastika proudly for all to see.Quoting Buxtebuddha
And we ought sympathize with Nazis? Do you currently have such sympathies?Quoting Buxtebuddha
This is just really illogical. I can't make sense of your correlation between my deep red suburb, Nazis, the rural Georgia community of the photo, liberals, and whetever you live.Quoting Buxtebuddha
Is this a justification for the rise of the Third Reich?
As a neutral observer, where did he say or imply that there was anything good about Nazism?
One can be fascinated in many things while also finding them horrific, e.g. serial killers. I'm simultaneously fascinated and horrified by snakes.
And imo it is fascinating in a certain sense to consider the Nazi movement, more specifically, considering the causes which led a relatively advanced people with a sophisticated culture to succumb to Hitler and his racist, expansionist vision for Germany.
But perhaps you're thinking the word "fascinating" implies the person using it has some sort of sympathy with whatever it is they're describing in those terms? I don't think it necessarily does, but I can see the possible connection in many cases.
Apologies for butting in.
That girl's hair wasn't on fire. She was a redhead.
I agree that neo-Nazis (basically white supremacists), aren't particularly dangerous. But white supremacists took over the Southeast once before during the 1890's and they continued to govern until the 1960s. I think it would be worthwhile to understand how it happened the first time if we're pondering whether it could happen again.
I think the US is too integrated now for it to be a regional thing. If it happened again it would be total and probably in the midst of an economic depression (such as the one that happened in the 1890s.)
I disagree, yes.
Quoting Hanover
Because they are free to, just as they are free to burn things on their property. You, however, are not free to rob them of voluntarily expressing their thoughts and opinions, however terrible you might think that they are. If you want to force them under a rock instead of debating them in public, then you've no intellectual integrity. Were you confident in your position, you wouldn't seek to silence opposition to it.
Quoting Hanover
There's no middle ground with you, is there? I said that shaming is not the best way of moving forward. Once again, instead of assuming what I think, perhaps read what I have written and stop extrapolating things out of thin air?
Quoting Hanover
Well, I guess you should check your privilege and find out that correlation for yourself, *shrug*.
Quoting Hanover
What does this have to do with what I said? You've attempted to move the goal posts with every single reply you've made here, jesus. And besides, the Third Reich ended on the 23rd of May, 1945. There is no Third Reich to be risen.
Quoting Hanover
Okay, lemme see if I can get this straight. You 1) presume that those swastika burning rednecks in a field want to exterminate every non-Aryan people, B) want to establish the Third Reich, and C) are fanboys of a nation that had nothing good going on it. Frankly, Hanover, I think you need to stop being so offended and willing to strawman me into oblivion tonight and read some history. What I'm saying here is not unreasonable or nuts. And it would seem that others agree with that characterization to some extent.
He said "much" of Nazism was wrong, so I asked that he highlight the good parts. He also said he disagreed that my opposition to Nazism was not reasonable.
Quoting frank
:rofl: I mean it makes sense, those antisemitic Renaissance painters loved so much to paint Jews with red hair.
Quoting frank
I'm not sure what's more dangerously racist and sexist - people who judge me negatively for being a white straight male, or white supremacists who don't like black people and Catholics...
Neither has much power right now. Who judged you harshly for being a white straight male?
Oh I'm not too sure about that!
Quoting frank
I've been deep in the bowels of academia, so many, many people. If you've not been on a college campus in decades, you won't understand the sorts of things going on in many of them.
I've not attempted to violate their free speech rights, but I don't think their views are worthy of debate. Do you disagree?
Quoting Buxtebuddha
I made no assumptions. I asked a question and you didn't respond. Quoting Buxtebuddha
I asked what you felt the good part of Nazi Germany was and the above was your non-response. Again, what did the Nazis do right? Do you approve of the removal of non-whites for the betterment of society? Do you believe whites are superior to non-whites? Do you think Jews are evil? I make no assumptions. I'm just asking.
That sounds cozy. Out here in the real world there is no stigma attached to being a white male.
Ah ok I missed those.
Must be a democrat.
You want to ostricize them and exclude them from civil society. How will you do that without violating their rights and freedoms? Hint: you can't.
Quoting Hanover
Nah, son, I've stayed on topic here, don't throw the coals back in my lap. You were and are fully able to address what I originally wrote, but have chosen not to. Either way, the ball still remains in your court and I await substantive answers from you...unless of course I also am not worthy of debate because I disagree with you, :lol:
Quoting Hanover
Your point seems to be that whatever head of government is in power, then nothing good ever transpired in the nation during that government's existence. If so, then Nazi Germany being utterly devoid of good must make Trump's America equally devoid of good, and every other government that has done terrible things or are thought to be doing ill.
How is that responsive? I asked a yes or no question.Quoting BuxtebuddhaCount: there are 4 question marks and zero responses.
Yes, yes, yes, I disagree, I disagree, I disagree. I've already said that before.
Quoting Hanover
None of those questions relate to my own arguments and so they are red herrings. I'm under no obligation to entertain your attempts to smear my opinion. It's sadly clear that you just want to label me a Nazi, ban me, and be done with it. I can see no other reason why you have purposefully gone on with asking questions unrelated to my responses.
It must be awesome to be non-American.
How is asking your opinion smearing your opinion?
We won't even think twice about banning Nazi sympathizers. As the guidelines state we don't consider their views worthy of debate (and as it happens they also tend to be very unintelligent low-quality posters). The primary issues Nazism represents are anti-semitism and the holocaust, which are both indefensible. So, if any poster wants to discuss the merits of Nazism or defend Nazis or thinks Nazis are oppressed, they don't belong here and they will be banned.
I could not have said it better myself. :ok:
Obviously.
No one is saying that you must remain an American. That is one of the beautiful things about being American is that you can leave the USA anytime you desire, give up your citizenship and stop being an American. The door is open all you need to do is step through :point: , then you too can be 'Awesome'. :clap:
(no disrespect to Yaha's possession of Awesomeness)
I can absolutely put you in connection with a friend who is a Turkish citizen living in Istanbul and then from there I am sure you can navigate the outskirts of town and safely sell trinkets.
Did you want to carry a dual citizenship for a little bit just in case Turkey doesn't work out?
Btw: have you checked into what becoming a citizen of Turkey requires? If you haven't I have linked you to the requirements.
Are you saying that you need to be American to be awesome or to not be American to be awesome? If the latter then there's no disrespect.
Over the years, I have learned to use "Awesome" a lot more sparingly because I know what true Yaha Awesomeness exists in this world!
Frank, I can respect your desire to leave the USA and I would even try to help you if I felt that it was a safe thing to do. You see, I am a Mom and I just cannot say, with truth on my lips, that you are going to be successful (however you define successful) going to a foreign land, to start a new life, beginning with a go-fund-me page.
I am open to ideas and hopefully you are too, because I would feel a lot better about your going with a few more coins in your pocket. Fair?
First tip: leave the traditional American uniform of Kaki's and Polo's at home. :up:
Isn't Turkey next to the mashed potatoes and green beans?
I'll be here all night folks.
OMG it's going to be a LONG day considering it isn't even 7am
Cutting edge.
Actually, if you plan to give up your citizenship and plan to come back later and get it back, you better write it in pencil where you can erase it. I knew a guy who wrote in pen and he's still in Turkey and can't get past the green beans.
Tip your waitresses guys. They're working hard for you.
Do you really think that someone that wishes to leave the USA for Turkey will ever wish to come back? Spare me. Don't bother reading it and sign it in pen. You attorneys always looking out for the good of others. Have you no shame? Hanover we must encourage growth and enrichment of others souls.
Neither do I but still they deserve our support to follow their dreams, no?
Why don't you ever make this offer to someone who might actually take you up on it? Do you have any idea how long I have been playing the "Last Word" thread? You, YOU move goal posts a LOT and whistle as you walk away. Like those who act as though it was not their dog that just took a dump on an otherwise empty sidewalk.
Take you best shot, now that I've buttered you up...
Although I like her video at https://youtu.be/BQ0mxQXmLsk
Well gosh Hanover, when you put it that way, it would feel wrong to be mean to you, really.
I am the kind of person who would apologize to you, for @Baden hurting your feelings like he did.
I am the kind of person that would jump on anyone that attacks @unenlightened and I am one to circle the wagons when one of us @Agustino seems to have disappeared.
I just cannot be mean, it is not my nature. Witty? Yes. Sarcastic? To the point I have no idea when I am being sarcastic and when I am not.
But loving is the way for me, positive is the vibe I desire and I am happy to be who I am. Mean or not.
Hmm what I wrote seems to justify what you say but I still feel the need, to be able to take a jab at you, not to actually take a jab at you. Does that make sense?
There is not a single bowl of guacamole in that video. :down: Total false advertisement :eyes:
Flagged for moderation :point:
I didn't hurt his feelings, I don't have a mean bone in his body.
I wouldn't be bothered. He's not even entertaining any more.
:lol:
I must say that I never thought I would see the loving gestures I have seen between two leaders whose countries have lost sight of what they were fighting for. Decades, generations of anger, resentment and rage will be replaced with a clean slate to build a new relationship upon. A slate that will look delicate but whose new ways will need to be etched in stone. I wish for all the world a peaceful path, a stable path, in which these two arch enemies may find commonality as they navigate the unknown, trust for one another. It is a leap of faith but one that is worth taking.
And to the families who have been separated for far too long? Together, we can answer your prayers, together we can make your dreams come true, together we will move forward into a better tomorrow. I cannot go alone, you cannot go alone but we can go together.
The things I wake up too :yikes:
https://www.scimex.org/newsfeed/found-a-new-form-of-dna-in-our-cells
Our little bits never cease to surprise.
You cannot see this but I am doing my flippin happy dance!
Where did he go by the way?
Any interesting, useful, or valuable philosophical principle can be expressed in one or two sentences.
I love making lists. I use them instead of @syntax ‘s “metanarratives.” Lists of made up band names. Examples - Bob go Boom, Pretty How Town. Lists of women’s names that make me fall in love with them without ever meeting them. Examples – Tan Vo, Denise Georgeopolis. Lists of fictional chemical substances. Examples – upsydasium, hushaboom (both from Rocky and Bullwinkle, bless them). Here’s a list of fortune cookie fortunes I came up with a while ago.
[i]You have wasted your life.
Brush your teeth three times a day.
I am not Chinese.
You are going to die.
You are a fool.
Jump. Now.
Never buy Chinese food from a restaurant with Caucasian waiters.
Know yourself.
You will make love to an overweight, 65-year-old civil engineer.
You will never be happy.
Drink eight glasses of water every day.
I am closer to enlightenment than you are.
Listen to your heart.
Pay me back the money you owe me.
I love you very much.
Ralph Nader is responsible for the war in Iraq.
Never vote for a Republican.
Nobody loves you.
The truth that can be spoken is not the eternal truth.
You are not very attractive
You have made a terrible mistake.
Your lover has been unfaithful.
You should be ashamed.
Give up hope.
Don’t do it.
Your lucky number is 3.14159…..
You are a bad person.
Your personal hygiene is impeccable.
You will never forgive yourself.
You are not a good lover.
Have your car’s brakes checked.
Don’t believe her.
No one likes your children
You are a failure.
You are not an effective public speaker.
I will grant you just one wish.
I am working for minimum wage.
You will never be famous.
Fortune cookies were invented in California.
The best years of your life are over.
The world will come to an end on April 12, 2026.
You will never see him again.
Don’t eat the cookie.[/i]
It is a sign of the high regard in which you are held that you are the only person on the forum who could get away with ridiculing someone for being a lesbian. And without even an emoji.
Should I add an emoji to my message?
Wasn't there talk about considering a new merger?
Looks like a Gary Larsen cartoon if he were a geneticist.
Such a great day for a hike!
I am easing his struggles as he attempts to come out of the closet, like a little caterpillar cocooned in the web of his own confusion, hidden in the warmth of ignorance until the truth causes his tiny little head to digest into itself and in a warm soup of gooey goodness he transforms into the moth that he has long been destined for, flying away forever with his lawyer Cecil into the sunset. *cue music.
I do wish him the absolute best if for no other reason than to save us from the insufferable pontification that will follow its demise.
I was going to go on a hike, but...
I couldn't find the right size body bag for my date.
My recently castrated dog is still limping and seeping.
I am emotionally stable so I don't require escaping from people.
I can be just as lonely and alone here with my cat.
The woods are beyond the range of my house arrest ankle bracelet.
All @Baden ever wants to do when we go is play "Brokeback Mountain."
I lost my left foot to diabetes.
No matter where you go, there is no joy, no happiness, and a complete absence of God, so I might as well stay here.
I would be out of cell phone range and couldn't post these rays of sunshine.
Feel free to add as you see fit.
I am stressing about my youngest son's final exams, how he will do and I cannot monitor his grades from there.
My female Rottweiler is in her first season and she is an emotional ball of anger switching to instant lush and might decide she wants the Coyote we pass on the hiking path.
I wouldn't be able to see the trail. I need cheater glasses but not all the time, hence the name cheaters but in the Arizona sun I need to wear sunglasses outside, which are not cheaters. So I can hike blind but shaded or can see but will burn out my retinas.
It is shift C at the firehouse today and well, tomorrow is shift A and shift A are definitely worth a hike to get stuck during.
I would be too far away from my male Rottweiler, who is making me lose my mind as he has been scratching, whining, howling and trying to use brute force to get to my bitch in heat.
Feel free to add as you see fit.
A young inventor (of an obscure dental device) buys a house. The surrounding property is sterile, with river rocks instead of mulch and some kind of japanese grass that produces no food for the local birds and bees. The youngster spends decades nurturing a lush garden until he becomes old and discovers that he can no longer hold back the tide of wysteria that's engulfing the garden and killing the trees. He has a contractor come in and cut down the trees, create cement patios that need no maintenance and to make sure the wysteria doesn't come back, he replaces the wood mulch with river rocks. One rainy afternoon, the inventor died from a stroke while he was working in his basement workshop
The property went up for sale and was bought by a young museum curator with bad teeth. Her heart pained by the sterility of the property, she set out to grow a lush garden.
Frank distracted me and now I want to go on a hike :rofl:
Jessi Lynn looked across the paved garden, a single tear dripping down her meth pocked skin, her two front teeth hanging on by sinew flapping in the wind, until she cried out "Why dear Jesus had some man comed from way yonder and done killed alls that purty and green?!" She raised her arms toward the heavens revealing her concave gut perforated by a single piercing of her leathery prison tattooed skin.
But for her job as head museum curator, she had little to show for her 20 years on this earth, spent mostly collecting cans and playing cribbage, but she was intent on righting the wrong that was this garden. She would cure it, she thought, because she was a curator. The pun catching her off guard, causing her to laugh hysterically in her sex infused deep phlegm way, a tooth dislodging, spitting spinning across the black fecal aromaed garden.
Is this sort of what you were looking for?
Sounds like a sad, creepy "Gift of the Magi."
What the heck is sex infused phelgm?
Ready to go on a hike? :up:
How about this. How about why you should go on a hike.
1. Because you need to exercise your brittle little body since you were never breastfed.
2. Because Pippy Longstocking said so.
3. Because Fred is losing his mind being stuck inside all day in a dingy little house with old, unsightly furniture that tells of a tale of a plain-featured man with no life.
4. Because you would be out of range and we could all have a break from your objectionable posts.
Lunar creatures sniff and circle the dwellings.
Quoting ?????????????
Quoting TheMadFool
One of life's great mysteries. We need more discussions about sld. What is it? Where does it come from? What does it taste like? How do we worship it? Why does no one ever remember bringing it up? And what were we talking about again?
It's pretty good.
I like dal lentils soup. Specialty of my Afghani heritage. Mom makes it from time to time. Always fills you up.
Will have to look that up for ya or just ask my mom. Heh.
This is most accurate:
http://www.afghancultureunveiled.com/humaira-ghilzai/afghancooking/2010/01/dal-afghan-soul-food.html
:_)
None with @Baden over there.
Awww I forgot about @Baden and his Benkei time. :yum:
I find it a tad funny that Benkei is pronounced Binky in English and well baden is definitely old enough to give up his Binky, ya know?
You brits and your curries.
After an affirmative 'no', I told her I'm different...
The look on her face was sheer horror.
Do you show interest in men?
Chicken tikka masala is the most popular UK meal (or at least it was in 2011).
Isn't that not even a curry? Here in NYC I've heard that, despite being something of a culinary capital, our curries pale in comparison to yours.
Not really. I've always been of prudent and puritanical nature. Perhaps, I'm just too Platonic. Sex always seemed to me like a disgusting ritual to me. A part of me wants to die a virgin, yet, I'm not really religious in any sense of the word.
I guess I'm really Buddhist though, I lack the compassionate element which is a sine qua non to be a bona fide Buddhist.
So your mum thinks you're attracted to men because you don't show interest in women, even though you also don't show interest in men – which, for it to be consistent, must suggest to your mum that you're straight.
No need for musterbation here. One last alternative that makes everything fine in dandy is that I'm asexual.
America pales in comparison to the UK, yes.
You must hate pizza.
Or essentially any other food other than tikka masala. Sounds plausible.
I was going to give you the term if you hadn't come up with it. I worked with an author who lived down under, he was asexual and we had long conversations about it or the lack of the drive or satisfaction that others know as normal sexual needs/wants/desires.
I am glad I learned about asexual people because call me whatever you wish, they are some of the most intelligent people to be around and are never distracted with sexual temptations and common dog whistles.
No real outrage just the :fire: blaze :fire: of total lack of class that will be known as the last Washington Correspondence dinner.
Even the most seasoned correspondents were horrified. There is verbal jousting, verbal roasting and there is the vomit that Wolf spewed over her audience. :vomit:
What comments, precisely, demonstrated a lack of class?
Sanders gets up there in the White House press room and lies incessantly for the money and prestige the job brings. That's far more objectionable and damaging than anything a comedian could say at a roast. So, no sympathy for her whatsoever. She deserves far worse than someone telling the truth about her. And I didn't hear much conservative outrage when Trump was calling Hillary out on her lies in the coarsest way he could. On the contrary, jigs of delight were being danced at his "honesty".
Obviously Baden understood and he feels it justified, so? I am willing to let the legacy of this White House Correspondence Dinner stand on it's own, honestly.
As far as lacking class? Think about how history will reflect on a joke made about how worthless someone in the administration is, equating someone to an empty box of tampons.
Or the Aunt Lydia comment? Have you read 'The Handmaid's Tale? Do you think anyone in the audience has?
Her conclusion is logical, just inaccurate. It is assumed that people are sexual, and if they're not attracted to the opposite sex, it is assumed they are concealing their attraction to the same sex because in many circles it's unacceptable to admit to that attraction.
I thought her comparison of Ivanka Trump's pseudo-feminism to an empty box of tampons was fairly apt. Is it The New Yorker style of comedy? No, but the WHCD has always featured coarse comedians, and I can't think of a better time for button-pushing and scathing critique, than under this administration, which has been far more classless than anything Wolf uttered. Again, the outrage is unjustified, and hypocritical.
Abductive reasoning at best.
All people are sexually attracted to either men or women
My son is not attracted to women
Therefore my son is sexually attracted to and wants to have sex with @baden
Seriously though, been on a low-carb diet for about 2 months now. Highly recommended to give it a try. I mistakenly thought it was mostly hype before, and that dietary fat was the enemy. Feels great, no hunger pangs. Lost only about 8 pounds, but it just seems much healthier. Sugar and refined flours taste great to us, but also to the viruses and cancer cells within our bodies. They also like reality TV and romance novels. Who knew? :grin:
Maybe not as classy as @Hanover's jokes about me but he's a hard act to follow. (There's an opening...)
I am of the mindset that menstrual jokes are ALWAYS funny, so I don't fully understand the uproar there. And let's be clear here, she didn't talk about a spent bloody tampon with clumped white semen remnants, nor did she talk about a tampon inserted and in use with the tail-like string dangling out, making one wonder whether a mouse had climbed inside a lass' cooter pie. She just talked about the box, and tampon boxes are pretty funny, especially when they're near toilet paper that is typically used to clean away bloody diarrhea from one's taint.
I hope I have risen to the occasion to fulfill @Baden's request that I always remain classy.
Carry on.
I've watched 2 1/2. I'm not as enamored as you, although I'm still hanging in for now. I'm guessing I won't finish the season.
god, I hate that movie so much.
:shrug:
Sorry, I just feel the need to make that known whenever I encounter that movie because it's so beloved, and I hate it so. Sorry.
:shrug:
:roll:
Like I said there is no real outrage just total lack of class and that is a personal opinion. I LOVED the WCD, loved, loved, loved the dinner. Each year I would make a point of watching it in real time because it is like the Super Bowl Halftime show for political/journalist junkies, it was the best!
But this WCD was an attack on someone who had no chance to defend herself even though she was seated two chairs away from the lectern. Sorry, not my style, not what I want, won't waste my time.
An example of one of the best WCD in my opinion. Please take ten minutes to watch it again and tell me if you can see the difference between the two senses of humor
That my friend, was classy.
There have been a number of male comedians at WCD, in the past decade, who attacked attendees who couldn't "defend" themselves. If comments made by Michelle Wolf "lacked class" then so too did Conan, Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel, Joel McHale, et. al. Not sure why that matters though, as those who are "attacked" are all well paid, influential individuals, who work in the public realm and are open to public scrutiny and criticism. It's not Wolf's fault that Sanders regularly lies on behalf of this bankrupt administration.
Defenceless! = because woman.
@Maw
Like I said there is no real outrage. All of it was within the bounds of the absurd but she broke one of the Cardinal rules of comedians which you only roast those you love. :heart:
That's just because Jung is your shadow.
(Who is trying to escape his stomach because he can't stand all that Feta cheese down there.)
(Equally applicable to feta and Lacan).
Could say the same about Jung. Why one rather than the other when they're salt and pepper?
Freud and Lacan aren't the most evidence oriented thinkers either. I don't see good reasons to favour one (Freud, Lacan, Jung) over another other than 'it yields more interesting interpretations of things'. Which is largely determined by what people have worked on already.
What makes 'occult' a reasonable slur of Jung and not of the other two when Freud has literal castration complexes and vaginal phantom penises and Lacan started describing a collective unconscious all of his own?
If you take them all with a pinch (more like a giant vat) of salt, they can be pretty illuminating at times. A little understanding of Freud's unconscious is worthwhile to understand its theoretical and ideological wakes, an understanding of language and desire in Lacan is worthwhile if you're interested in post-structuralism and its descendants (like Badiou and Zizek).
There's probably an alternate history where Jung was the dominant force during the inculcation of psychoanalysis. Where people speak of shadows rather than unconscious desires, the anima/animus distinction instead of penis envy/castration anxiety and its derivatives, and the archetypes of the collective unconscious instead of the four discourses.
What was interesting about them wasn't how right they are, it's how the world looks when viewed from somewhere near their vantage point.
:lol:
I don't share Street's strong antipathy towards Jung, I just find Lacan more interesting. I agree there are easy openings for attack with all the big three.
"It's 9 o'clock on a Saturday the regular crowd shuffles in, there is an old man sitting next to me making love to his Tonic and Gin...
Piano Man. We did this already, Tiff. :smile:
Okay must be time to shuffle some new tunes in.
Yup.
"We looked down the river and we see'd the British come and there must'a been a hundred of them beatin' on the drum. They stepped so high and made their bugles ring, we stood beside our cotton bales and didn't say a thing..."
"She came from Providence, born in Rhode Island
Where the old world shadows hang heavy in the air
She packed her hopes and dreams like a refugee,
Just as her father came across the sea..."
Eh, 'archetypes' and 'shadows' hew far too close to ghosts and spooky woojoo for me to take with any measure of seriousness, and at least Frued and Lacan had the merit of at least trying to ground their theories in developmental account of the subject, without the invocation of all sorts of mystical crap. Jung basically tried to Platonize psychoanalysis (against its Kantian/Schopenhauerian inspiration), which I basically find unforgiveable.
But, mathematical Platonism is true. But, yeah, psychology is too nuanced to view things Platonically. All those archetypes and all.
:vomit:
Well, where else does the number '1' exist?
Yay, and where does the number '2' exist?
Also, asking 'where numbers exist' is just a stupid question. Grammar gone mad.
How so?
So, what's wrong with it? It's intelligible and seems to have content in it.
Well the instumentality argument for mathematical Platonism is as strong as ever so how do you confront that with your misgivings with Platonism?
Give me one alternative if you disagree with the instrumentality argument. Is it intuitionalism?
Geez. Don't you guys have better things to do than watch half-assed American political humor. Isn't anyone in Australia funny?
How about Flight of the Conchords? They're pretty funny.
They're from New Zealand, you screaming mandrake.
Well, duh. Thank you for the opportunity to gloat.
Anyway, no one can tell the difference, not even Aussies and Kiwis. That's why there is so much interbreeding and why there are so many sterile hybrids walking around down there.
If by hybrid you mean Marmite, then I agree.
You mean "where does the number 0.999... exist?"
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PS we need to make this a default emoji
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Ha, ha
More than 83% of daily active users are outside the US and Canada , so who's influencing whose exposure?
Meow!
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The news article didn't broach how they will establish this but Facebook did test 6 news feeds to various countries last year and then decided that most respondent countries preferred one news feed, which is then divided into photos and content.
I suppose Cambridge Analytica might do their survey questionnaires :rofl:
I just used Colbert's set with George Bush as an example in another thread how humor can legitimately be used unkindly. I sometimes go back and watch the video. So brutal. I admire Colbert, although I don't find his current show very funny.
Why are you such a loonbag?
By your standards, what American president isn't a war criminal?
No, no, no.
Come on you "proclaimed" Eagles lovers!
Yeah, you know just enough so you can feel self-righteous and superior. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Anyway, W.H. Harrison died after 31 days in office, so he's probably ok.
Well I didn't start an unnecessary war based on fabricated evidence that cost hundreds and thousands of lives - American ones included! - so you may be on to something there!
Should make an onion article. 'Children Flee Cinema After Seeing Trailer for Remastering of Watership Down'.
:rofl:
You'll get no argument from me there. One of the reasons I don't get excited about President Trump is I can't imagine him doing more damage to our national security, national morality, than Bush did. Assuming, of course, he doesn't get us in a war with Russia.
It seems the likes of Thorongil are more likely to get upset over someone like Street criticizing one of their presidents than the fact that said president's actions resulted in the death of half a million people.Take a moment to digest that.
And they use 25% of the world's energy resources (which is probably mostly the Canadians). How did that happen?
I remember when my children were young, probably 2, 7, and 10, we were playing "Clerks." I had heard about it and it didn't sound bad. My wife and I were in the kitchen while my children were watching it. I walked back in the TV room and a scene was showing where the clerk at the adult video place next to the convenience store was reading out a list of videos over the telephone. They were the most vile, obscene titles you can imagine. I looked over at my kids. I don't think the 2 or 7 year-olds got it at all, but my daughter's eyes looked like saucers. Anyway, I turned it off.
My dad did the same after he let us put on the South Park movie. I would have been 11, my brother 10.
Yeah, I have no criticisms of George W. Bush. None whatsoever.
Yeah, I'm just a callous asshole who thirsts for the blood of war victims.
Go fornicate yourself.
Did you call DFACS?
But you do believe the suffering of the Iraqi people should be acknowledged, right?
I'm working now. Maybe later.
No, of course not! I love war and death! I'm just a callous asshole, as you implied. Your post totally wasn't a snide violation of the principles of charity and common sense.
Wow, how virtuous of you, frank. I'm sure you're the only one with this sensibility.
To what address shall I send your monument?
Right next to 1, just infinitesimally so. Though, you can do calculus without infinitesimals if you so want to. Just use non-standard analysis.
1 = 0.999...
Yes, like I said. In non standard analysis 0.999... exists infinitesimally close to 1. Don't ask me the details, as I'm not apt in Robinsonian analysis.
A primer:
http://mcps.umn.edu/philosophy/11_7Dauben.pdf
1 - 0.3 = 0.9
Confusing if true. I wonder what Wittgenstein would say.
Not if you understand it.
I scored 31/63
No, I didn't buy them, they fell from the clouds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFRiCwWR60k
It is more or less a music video using footage from L'Enfer by Clouzot. The female lead is just painfully, mournfully beautiful.
'fart' what made you come up with that nick? Is it a happy fart or just a plain fart?
It's a happy fart. It's one of those loud farts in bed when nobody else is home, with the authenticity of a horse scratching its ass on a tree.
Awesome. Happy farts are cool. Like the ones left in a jacuzzi that nobody knows who made it; but, you smile to yourself knowing they will never know.
There is also the classic fart at the funeral. This one should be slow and quiet unless it helps everyone laugh at death.
Ahh, yes. It's a mournful fart often at funerals. There are also sinister farts inside a car with the windows rolled up.
Now I'm reminded of being an adolescent. I once created a masterpiece that literally brought tears to one's eyes --and proceeded to flee the small room and hold the door closed so that a friend and my brother could really contemplate my artistry. That was true joy. (Oh to hear again their desperate protestations and feel the pressure against the door that blocked their escape!)
*On a serious note, we might contemplate whether the sadism in philosophical debate is related to 'fart sadism.' We lock others in a room with the stink of our minds, our 'assholy' perspective.
I rest my case. The savage fart has been unveiled. Those are rare, when the goal is to gas the family.
Ah yes, the 'divine malice' emerges from his brown cloud. ( Divine malice is a dude. )
Now, that's just gratuitous suffering inflicted on the innocent and poor.
Yes. But it's funny! And now we are getting deep. I think we are mischievous 'chimps.' We like a little cruelty at our festivals. What we can maybe do is keep this cruelty within measure. There's an old idea (can't remember my source) of 'internalized violence.' In short, we become civilized by chiseling more on ourselves than others. For example, developing one's mind involves a continual destruction of wrong-in-retrospect thinking.
Yes, we are all rather mature 'in our own way'. Is 'maturity' overrated?
That's a great question. You prob. know that Nietzsche compared maturity to the seriousness of a child at play. And a certain rock star had this to say: 'when the music's over, turn out the lights.'
*For me the words of philosophers are secondary to a 'comportment' that they help nourish. Another reason I chose 'fart' was to emphasize the body. We might speak of the ineffability or non-conceptuality of the stink of a fart. Sure, the sound and feeling of music would work too. But using farts keeps even the tone on the street.
I'm not too sure about Nietzsche. Never really bought into him. But, maturity seems like a Hegelian concept if you ask me.
I feel you. I associate an upward movement toward a fixed goal with Hegel. Nietzsche is all over the place. I love and fart on them both. I like the idea that life is the legit authority. No matter how brilliant and dazzling and famous and so on this or that official genius is, they lived in their here-now with their body --and I have to adapt to mine and mine. And really I'd say that literature, TV, music (to name a few) are every bit as important as philosophy in terms of nourishing dope comportment or (in other words) the good life, the ecstatic life, the noble life. But I must fart on all of this solemnity, since it's just more words and not the thing itself. And I fart also on this fart. And then on that one. I am propelled like a rocket this way.
I wonder, because farts are seemingly all downward movements. Perhaps, the pessimism and futility philosophers all fart with sadness and despair. Who knows these things?
Then farts are Marxists, since they turn Hegel right-side-up. (Actually I think farts are kinda-sorta Marxists.)
Yes, the rebellious fart is an unsung hero. All public farts are rebellious in some manner or form.
Indeed. I don't know what I think about Freud as a scientist. But it's interesting to me that shit and incest are a big part of bad language. Farts are guilty by association with shit. They carry little sprinkles of shit and of course the smell. The slang word ('shit') for an essential part of life is in bad taste. Kids aren't allowed to call poo poo what grownups call poo poo. That's fascinating.
Happens.
Exactly! And this feeling about fart jokes is interesting.
I do like fart jokes, but only if they have the right flavour!
I like how the natural and healthy bodily function that farts are can contrast with our more grandiose visions of human perfection or nobility.
When the pope farts, it's not just funny because nobody is allowed to give him shit about it, it's funny because he is supposed to represent an earthly conduit to divine perfection. Imagine a scene set to Gregorian polyphonic hymns: a shining image of a pure white and bejeweled pontiff looking and reaching outward over an emotionally suggestible crowd. And when the choir comes to a silence, and the pope opens his mouth to speak, a brief but punctuated fart noise interrupts him and fills the cathedral which is designed to carry sound. This is god farting through the pope, telling us to have a gas. That the light of the divine isn't bestowed or arbitrary blessings; we have to make light of ourselves.
You have my support.
Nice to meet you, almost felt bad.
Meow!
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And you have never experienced the passing of gas until you have been at the back end of a horse when they decide it is time to relieve themselves! Now there is some flippin heat along with the lovely aroma! :fire:
Awe shucks, maybe I was not the only one that thought that [s]you[/s] the thread was offensive.
Or maybe they just wanted to protect your ass so that you don't get it chewed out online.
Please stop now. We don't need another Sir2U vs Sapientia deathmatch in the Shoutbox or elsewhere. Let's just call it a draw and you two agree never to speak to each other again. Deal?
No one has a ruler that measure 0.999...
Pretentiousness personified.
No, he's right. I might end up feeling bad for someone if things like that keep happening. :wink:
Thanks.
Got thrown out of the window with the cigarette butts. :cool:
They work together; yin and yang.
The constant negative press covfefe. It can be a little distracting at times.
Bully. :razz:
So, when are we going hiking? And can I bring my trashy cat? And also, will there be plenty of opportunities to push you off of a steep drop, and that sort of thing?
I hope you can sometime post a picture of your cat being fat and plumpy.
Just make her fat and plumpy. K, thx, bai, g2g, cu.
Last week he ate the internet cable and today the AC guy just told me my AC is broken because a dog ate the wire. When I see my dog, I call him by yelling "oh fuck," and he does the same as he did when I yelled his old name, which was whatever the fuck he wanted to. Swhy I call him Fuck.
I deleted the post because it was written in very bad English. The content was fine, but put a bit more effort into writing it. No text speak, better grammar and formatting.
Edit: unless I'm confusing you with someone else. If it was the 'discarding emotions' thread, that was me.
Text speak is like 'u' instead of 'you'; writing stuff like 'i want' instead of 'I want'. Formatting is like breaking up your posts into paragraphs corresponding to distinct points. Also make sure that you link your points together to make a reasonably coherent whole.
So instead of:
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[quote=Wikipedia, 'Arthur Schopenhauer' with no formatting]Schopenhauer was born on 22 February 1788, in the city of Danzig (then part of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth; present day Gda?sk, Poland) on Heiligegeistgasse (known in the present day as ?w. Ducha 47), the son of Johanna Schopenhauer (née Trosiener) and Heinrich Floris Schopenhauer,[29] both descendants of wealthy German patrician families. When Danzig became part of Prussia in 1793, Heinrich moved to Hamburg, although his firm continued trading in Danzig. As early as 1799, Arthur started playing the flute.[30]:30 In 1805, Schopenhauer's father died, possibly by suicide.[31] Arthur endured two long years of drudgery as a merchant in honor of his dead father, but his mother soon moved with his sister Adele to Weimar—then the centre of German literature—to pursue her writing career. He dedicated himself wholly to studies at the Gotha gymnasium (Gymnasium illustre zu Gotha (de)) in Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg, but left in disgust after seeing one of the masters lampooned.By that time, Johanna Schopenhauer had already opened her famous salon, and Arthur was not compatible with what he considered its vain and ceremonious ways. He was also disgusted by the ease with which his mother had forgotten his father's memory.[citation needed] He left to become a student at the University of Göttingen in 1809. There he studied metaphysics and psychology under Gottlob Ernst Schulze, the author of Aenesidemus, who advised him to concentrate on Plato and Immanuel Kant. In Berlin, from 1811 to 1812, he had attended lectures by the prominent post-Kantian philosopher Johann Gottlieb Fichte and the theologian Friedrich Schleiermacher.[/quote]
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which is hard to read, a giant wall of text.
write something like:
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[quote=Wikipedia, 'Arthur Schopenhauer']Schopenhauer was born on 22 February 1788, in the city of Danzig (then part of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth; present day Gda?sk, Poland) on Heiligegeistgasse (known in the present day as ?w. Ducha 47), the son of Johanna Schopenhauer (née Trosiener) and Heinrich Floris Schopenhauer,[29] both descendants of wealthy German patrician families. When Danzig became part of Prussia in 1793, Heinrich moved to Hamburg, although his firm continued trading in Danzig. As early as 1799, Arthur started playing the flute.[30]:30 In 1805, Schopenhauer's father died, possibly by suicide.[31] Arthur endured two long years of drudgery as a merchant in honor of his dead father, but his mother soon moved with his sister Adele to Weimar—then the centre of German literature—to pursue her writing career. He dedicated himself wholly to studies at the Gotha gymnasium (Gymnasium illustre zu Gotha (de)) in Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg, but left in disgust after seeing one of the masters lampooned.
By that time, Johanna Schopenhauer had already opened her famous salon, and Arthur was not compatible with what he considered its vain and ceremonious ways. He was also disgusted by the ease with which his mother had forgotten his father's memory.[citation needed] He left to become a student at the University of Göttingen in 1809. There he studied metaphysics and psychology under Gottlob Ernst Schulze, the author of Aenesidemus, who advised him to concentrate on Plato and Immanuel Kant. In Berlin, from 1811 to 1812, he had attended lectures by the prominent post-Kantian philosopher Johann Gottlieb Fichte and the theologian Friedrich Schleiermacher.[citation needed]
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which splits up the points it makes for easier reading.
The starting post for a thread should be reasonably well written, relate to the title given to the thread, and argue for any points it's trying to make instead of simply stating them. If instead the post is primarily asking a question, it should set the stage for the question; describing the background and why the question matters.
The mods here are generally a bit more lenient with errors in writing from non-native speakers, so please don't be discouraged from sharing your ideas; just put a little more effort into making your post presentable and easy to read.
That filthy mongrel.
:love: :flower: :love: :flower:
Hey! I happen to be a HUGE fan of csalisbury! :clap: :starstruck:
Nah, I don't mod people I like. All your suspicions of an admin illuminati are confirmed.
Me neither, which is why I mod everyone.
It was quite good.
Those nerds really know how to string a narrative(s) together. With such an extensive "universe" of lore to draw from, something about thick and complex plots such as these are all the more satisfying, all the more realistic (despite their supra-nature). A few other universes that spring to mind which do this well are Tolkien's Middle-Earth and Martin's Westeros.
There also appears to be a functional limit to the size these universes can become: Westeros is still fledgling, Tolkien descended into elven madness, and the comic book universes of marvel and DC have gone through many epochs of universal contraction and re-expansion.
Something about the organic and disorganized nature of the current Marvel movie universe is strikingly immersive and enthralling. As art produced by many minds it is like a mosaic where each tile has its own texture and detail that can be explored, like life, rather than plain pixels that can only be made sense of from a distance.
Movies like the Lord of the Rings trilogy, the present culmination of the Marvel movie franchise, and series like Game of Thrones are to cinema as Shakespeare's plays were to theatre. They show that modern art isn't total shit after all. Though we tend not to think of popular television and film as "art", once something is more than 20 years old the art [s]con-men[/s] critics will clamor to profess it's vintage!
Was good. Liked it as well. Think they should have made Thanos not an environmentalist but stuck to the comic book theme of him wanting to win the love of death personified.
I was click surfing one of the fandom-wikis the other day and learned that death personified (lady death) is already emotionally preoccupied "fascinated" with Deadpool. Too bad Disney didn't buy Fox in time, else the plot may have included this aspect of Thanos' motivations.
That would have been amazing.
DC's Death is so much cooler than Marvel's.
"Britain’s free speech crisis"
I haven't read the comic books, but I imagine that audiences would be more sympathetic/understanding towards the radical Malthusian angle, than introducing a new character as a love interest. Ultimately, Infinity Wars was about Thanos, and I think the movie did a very good job of making him an interesting, multi-dimensional character.
IDK, I guess I'm biased towards DC for making characters more interesting psychologies and themes about power and control.
Looks like those people were refused entry on the grounds that they were inciting or planning to incite racial hatred.
Is that a free speech problem?
It's also pretty ironic. One of them led a group that tried to stop NGOs from rescuing migrants from the Mediterranean, apparently to 'defend borders from immigrants', and then is refused entry at a foreign border. You reap what you sow.
Yeah I grew up watching The Justice League cartoon on Cartoon Network in my tweens, and the story-lines and characters were way more intricate and interesting than the DC movies they've been putting out recently, and even the Marvel movies.
[quote=Spectato] everyone has the right to have their opinion heard, thoughtfully considered and respectfully challenged.[/quote] No they fucking don't, people who talk shite have the right to be ignored and sidelined by sensible folks. - just my opinion.
There are lots of issues in the UK around immigration, free speech, media bias, but a left wing conspiracy there is not.
Meow!
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Hear-hear!
Nobody is obligated to listen and respond, especially to stupidity.
I fear however too many people confuse the right to ignore and reject people from private platforms ("de-platforming") with some kind of justification to silence and attack them in any and all venues. Ideological boycotting seems fine, but I see so many of these antifa protests seeking blood instead of democracy.
It doesn't bode well that the intersectional-feminist can(n)on is loosed by a volatile and aggressive hysteria masculina where micro-aggressions like jokes become colonizing acts of war and any dissenters become literally Hitler.
This kind of pseudo-intellectually charged language is what the emotionally wet and biased air of the internet carries furthest and fastest. Like lightning (or an explosion) the slightest perceived disturbance, timed properly, can cause an emotionally viral and self-reinforcing cycle that leads to sudden hatred and violence.
This is pretty much why corporate advertisement et al is so willing to bend-over backwards to not offend any group with special interest. Social media is a magnificent megaphone for discontent, and it can be instantly heard so far and wide that there is often no time for critical thought or reasonableness. And it only takes a few well connected pundits and their following to initiate an inquisition... It's not a left wing conspiracy, it's a far-left wing hit-squad.
It's not that either, tho sometimes it is. It's more like a cultural wasteland patrolled by hit-squads of various stripes. People get mad about the left, and how it brings down the hammer, but how many listeners does Rush have, how maybe people read Breitbart? And people get mad about the right, and how it plays on resentment, but how many retweets did [resentful left tweet by popular left figure] get?
One thing though: It's fair to say that 'mainstream' media discourse is, on the whole, left-leaning. NYT, WAPO, Colbert & Kimmel. It's true, obviously true, and its annoying when left-leaning people (I'm one) won't admit it. (Kate Mckinnon playing Hillary playing Hallejuah on SNL is, imo, a miserable thing.) But it's also true that 'mainstream media' is itself a subsection of a broader mainstream; the 'mainstream' is just one (particularly big) tributary of a bigger, conflicted, stream. The other streams have a lot of influence.
People sometimes say the left won the culture wars, while the right won the economic wars. It seems like it's all part of one big process to me. The deregulated business environment the right fostered undermined traditional communities (e.g. NAFTA fucks up main-street values, it just does. Dad's job isn't there anymore, so Dad's moral presence is undermined by his being economically emasculated.) Whatever you think of traditional communities, I think it's just empirically true that this vacuum leaves plenty of room for more leftish cultural values to take the place of the old gods. Now you have a thing where lots of (justifiably) pissed off Dads need some way to focus their being-pissed-off. Their attention is skillfully redirected, by cynical talking heads, from [why there's no car-manufacturing plant here anymore] to [what does it mean that there's a trans guy in the new star wars.]
So it's like this: Did the left win the culture wars? yeah, kind of. There is a trans guy in the new star wars [2022]. But also the whole point of the culture wars, in some ways, is like: Here, ex-car-manufacturer-dad, now you have a trans stormtrooper to be mad at instead of not having a job. Please start a blog about this.
(the better leftist (not liberal, or neoliberal) solution here is something like: no, no no, who gives a fuck about Star Wars - let's look at Nafta)
I think the concept of "mainstream" media is a dead one. Legacy media is more apropos given that digital platforms, including Twitter, YouTube, podcasts etc. reach millions, the target of which skew young.
There aren't right wing artists, for instance (the group I know the best) who fit into the narrative you're describing. But there are artists who belay the narrative and have staked out their own ground. Sufjan Stevens, for instance, who appears to be a Christian, and may or may not be gay. Son Lux, who I happen to know is a Christian, but politically left. There's art that spans the gap. Makoto Fujimura, a painter who started the overtly Christian IAM movement here in NYC, who isn't overtly political, but clearly left-leaning, and has been influential in bringing the concept of beauty back into the art world. His concept of "culture care" is a direct critique and response to the so called "culture wars". Its not much, but I would look to the gaps and spaces to see where real change is happening.
Lanterns is peak Son Lux. Before that, he wasn't a fully developed artist, and after that, he turned it into a trio instead of a solo project, and the quality went down. I've seen them live twice though, and the trio show is totally worth the money. I also have a soft spot for some prog, so the more "epic" or film soundtrack elements get a pass for me. He's a film /dance composer by trade, so it makes sense.
That record is way more electronic; you may or may not be into Lanterns, but it's an amalgamation of all his different influences, particularly his classical composing background. Tons of guest musicians as well.
Haha interesting, never noticed, but I think I see what you mean.
You are quite right. I'm quick to blame the "regressive left" perhaps because they simply get the most mainstream play, but I do see the diametric rise of the far right and left as being a part of the same co-reactionary movement, each fueling the fire of the other. The current ideological entry points to the alt right have to do with attacking silly far left notions like "white guilt" just as much as they have to do with promoting silly far right notions like "white genocide". They polarize and force mutual entrenchment, and it's not just dipolar; there are factions within factions upstream from the larger movements.
Quoting csalisbury
And in the Age of Information Flood, new tributaries are emerging as the world comes online, which can help explain the raging and rapid current of the mainstreams. Information overload is pushing everyone into a series of preordained categories whose main function is assisting with the commercialization of our identities, but has the effect of reinforcing and further entrenching us into our preexisting beliefs and discourages critical analysis. The result is disunity, more and more ideologically stratified groups, and mutual confusion where emotional signals become more reliable means of communication than rational ones. Individually the disparate tributaries of a movement like the "alt-right" have almost no relevance or influence of any kind, but collectively they gain influence disproportionate to the sum of their individual proponents.
Quoting csalisbury
By the time whichever trunk of the western cultural mainstream is ready to critically weigh the merits of NAFTA, we'll have also genetically engineered flying pigs. Unless Marvel is set to introduce a new hero whose power is being really good at economics, I don't see such a discussion resonating in many echo chambers.
:up: The ideal of success now is to become a brand™. That's how far self-commodification has gone. Our prize will be more flattening of individual character, increased levels of mental illness and alienation and yes, more political polarization. It's not who you are, it's who you're with that matters, and who you're with are right there online surrounded by Google or FB advertising....
There, I said it.
[url=https://postimages.org/]
:groan:
This is the Darwinian argument that whatever is must be best else it would have died. How do you account for when a religion takes over a secular government and it imposes its law on the people?
And, if we substitute "objectively better" with godly, then we can just say that whoever is in power has God on their side.
And I don't care about your pens. In the South, we pronounce "pens" the same as we say pins. That's what we do.
After all my efforts here, it'd be a waste if I didn't protect the Hanover brand and all it stands for.
"Pen" in this case is short for "penetration".
You're welcome for the opportunity this gives you.
Not at all.
If I say that I beat you because I cheated, it doesn't then follow that all winners are cheaters.
It's just that in this particular case, the winner was best, and being best is what explains the win.
If you beat me, you did cheat. The rest of what you said was just letters that I didn't form into words.Quoting Michael
And all I'm saying is that whoever wins a political battle doesn't make them right. In a word: Trump.
I agree. But in the case of the culture war, the left was right, and that's why they won. :up:
Paging @Michael.
It was just Simpsons clips and a music video, so deleted for low post quality.
Videos and images in the philosophy categories need to be actually informative, like a chart showing some statistics, or an academic talk.
:smile: Thanks for the quick response and explanation. Though it does seem a bit harsh, solemn, or perhaps a bit pedantic (no offense meant) to limit posts containing video links to be non-fiction exclusively. If this is the general policy, I apologize for being ignorant of it and will heed it in the future. The Simpsons may have been a poor and goofy example, but what if one links a video to some more respectable art in a serious philosophical thread, assuming it is relevant? Understandably, imbedded videos take up a lot of room, and may look like a distraction and an eyesore in a discussion. But it seems to be holding a video response to a higher standard than written ones.
But however, not really a problem; just a question. Thanks again for your input. :up:
Wait. On a live server, not a clone? And they messed up the data?
That's one hell of a paddling.
That's... wow. I would feel very uncertain about my continued employement if I was that particular pentester.
Is it usual for a test to include actual interaction with the data? I was under the impression that most white hats would only record themselves actually breaking in, without touching anything at all... ?
Sure, they just gave a massive power boost to the users of the force, and the whole kamikaze thingy was an ass-pull; but, still enjoyed it.
Thoughts?
Like a boss. :cool:
I grew up on Star Wars. The Last Jedi was pretty bad. But I also enjoyed it, because I was excited for any new Star Wars films. I would rank the new ones as 1) Rogue one 2) The Last jedi 3) The Force Awakens. Not that anyone cares.
Harsh. I like them all but Rogue One was my favorite. Gonna wait and see the new one coming out soon, "Solo".
On another note, they sure treat death lightly in all these episodes, particularly in Rogue One and The Last Jedi.
You mean harsh that I thought The Last Jedi was "pretty bad"? I should qualify. It was a well made movie, but it did a horrible job plot-wise; [hide="Reveal"]who was Snoke? Why did Luke have to die in this particular movie?[/hide]
No, I meant that you ranked The Force Awakens on number 3 with The Last Jedi as number 2. I felt as thought 2 should have been 3.
Oh so you liked The Last Jedi the least?
Eh? Is this just a general "no" to your perception of my existence? The quote leads only to my profile. Profoundly existential; I'm intrigued! :joke:
Well the IMDB rating for it speaks for itself. My ranking is 1. Rogue One, 2. The Force Awakens, 3. The Last Jedi.
I don't know what that means, but sure. You're great, TL.
The Force Awakens is a lame Episode IV reboot. Look it up.
True that. Idk, the franchise needs some more creativity. Not that the people at Disney lack it. Just not sure where this is all going.
And I did mean that, if it's not clear, which it probably isn't. But whatever.
Your not my mom!
That's why I hate sarcasm.
It's a cash cow. One that I'll happily buy into by illegally streaming the films.
Eww? Don't tell me your going to pull some Hanoverism here.
They're gonna milk that cow till people are fed up. Hope that never happens.
The main head gasket went, so now there is coolant mixing in with the fuel. :down:
That was my official diagnosis. :joke:
Um, if she doesn't want it, can you send it over here to Thailand? I'm sure that wouldn't cost much. 'Sides you owe me for my lying to jrob about what a good moderator you'd make.
Oh, we're all good here. Now the Koreans and Chinese, that may be a different story.
You guys have those annoying commercials in Georgia too? :lol:
Your offer is so sweet, you are far too kind, Thank you.
I will absolutely consider it after my behind gains feeling again after a 14 hr one way to Denver and back in the last 96 hours.
I will have to think about what I can bring you, to Thank you for your generosity. Maybe I should ride a horse to pick up the car and then you would be wealthy in livestock.
Do you think Fred would mind?
Here is my prediction: Solo will release, bomb hard, a year and a half will pass (allowing people to recover and forget about the catastrophe), and then episode 9 will release. So far I think George Lucas and now Disney have bungled Star Wars so much so that it is beyond any repair and should be wrapped up. Continuing the saga only brings more pain into the universe.
Surely the haters cannot win though, after-all, Disney has the high-ground!
Umm...did you hear about the lady who found a couple of super cute kittens that turned out to be something other than your run of the mill kitten?
I think whomever sold you Fred might have mislead you just a little? Maybe?
I know, make eye contact with Fred and growl in a 'chewy' kind of voice and see what he does. If he claws your eyes out, chances are he is not a dog. :razz:
It's some strange cycle between birds and cats. Next will be chickens.
Who knows such things?
Do I make a cat avatar now? What should I do??? I'm waiting for the masses to tell me.
Pick a chicken, just for diversity sake.
But birds are so 6 months ago.
Hmm, your call.
PKD just looks so clean cut from this angle.
I am compelled to change my avatar to a chicken. Pick one. I'm thinking a black chicken.
As I see only one option, I pick the black chicken...
Done.
:_)
Woah, nice. I like black. I will say that I think that's a "cock", as the term goes. He looks pretty metal, though. :fire:
:lol:
Should I go dog? Lizard? Eric Asimov??
Tough call. I say dog or lizard to keep the animal tradition up. I don't know if Hanover has exclusive rights to lizard pics so consult with him first if any royalties would be due.
I'm not a dog person, though. I like dogs, I just can't stand dog owners. Or at least, NYC dog owners, who are a nightmare breed of their own.
Maybe a goat or a lama then?
I enjoy eating goat...does that...? Nah, that doesn't seem right...
Yeah right.
When you can choose between AWESOME and chics and cocks, always choose AWESOME! :halo:
Odd you goat eaters I must say. Have you ever watched what a goat consumes? I have and I am not eating something that eats ANYTHING and I do mean ANYTHING, throughout it's lifetime.
@Posty McPostface
Having said that @Banno believes that everything is goat so maybe you are onto something. :chin:
Mmm that is not a chicken my friend, that is a Cock. So your avatar would be a black Cock. :wink:
:rofl: dang you got there before me ^5
Sunshine provided and horsey sneezes for your attire :lol:
Come on, you know you want to.
Oh wait, I forgot, many are at church on Sunday morning. :heart:
Just in case it has yet to sink in, that's actually a cock, not a chicken. You must have inadvertently mistaken the one for the other. There's absolutely no way that you could've done that on purpose for comic effect.
Oh okay. Usually I put "incorrect" as my password, that way when I get it wrong a little screen will come up and say "Your password is incorrect". :cool:
You'd need to be a bit more specific :)
On the occasions when I posted about my metaphysics, no one pointed to an assumption or a brute-fact, because there wasn't one.
Sometimes people said, "I disagree with it!", but didn't specify any statement in particular that they disagreed with.
Some said that the abstract if-then facts to which I refer aren't "real" or "existent", but that isn't a disagreement, because I've been emphasizing that I make no claims about anything describable and discussable being "real" or "existent", whatever that would mean.
As I've recently said, there "are" abstract if-then facts, in the sense that they can be stated. I don't claim any more than that about them.
Some disagreed that abstract if-then facts could somehow result in a "real" or "existent" world, but, as I said above, I've been emphasizing that I make no claims about the existence or reality of anything describable or discussable.
But, if you yourself believe that my metaphyisics uses or needs an assumption, or posits a brute fact, then you should feel free to specify the assumption or brute-fact.
Likewise, if you have a disagreement with it or any statement in its description, then you should feel free to say what it is.
But you'd need to be more specific.
I've posted my metaphysical proposal many times, here and there in these forums. But I have a copy in Word somewhere, and I'd be glad to re-post it again if you haven't seen it and don't know the location of an instance of it in the threads--so you can specify assumptions, brute-facts, or disagreements.
Michael Ossipoff
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear in my most recent posting here. I wasn't asking for your impression, or for an unsupported opinion.
You said "Yeah, right" when I said that my metaphysical proposal doesn't make assumptions, posit brute-facts, or say things that someone would disagree with. So I invited you to specify particular instances otherwise.
But also feel free not to.
Michael Ossipoff
Why? Because it's bonkers.
I would disagree on the basis that it's a type of idealism alone, as would others, and as you claim it is, since I'm not an idealist of any type, and there are many others in the same boat as me.
Of course that won't do. I've already clarified that I'm not interested in your impression or unsupported personal opinion.
If you want to disagree that there's no evidence that our physical universe consists of other than inter-related if-then statements, then you forgot to cite your evidence,
There isn't evidence in physical events or facts. As I explained, any fact about the physical world corresponds to, implies, and can be said as, an if-then fact. ...and is (at least part of) the "if" premise of some if-then facts, and is the "then" conclusion of other if-then facts.
I spoke of how a set of hypothetical physical quantity-values, and a hypothetical relation among them (called a "physical law"), together constitute the premise of an if-then fact. ...except that one of those physical quantity-values can be taken as the conclusion of that if-then fact.
In other words: "I disagree because I hold a different position" :)
I was inviting disagreement with particular statements in my metaphysical proposal. ...and supported by reasons other than "because I believe otherwise."
Michael Ossipoff
Indeed. I figure whereof one cannot speak one ought to remain silent. My puritanical attitude has been tarnished by this mistake.
:fear:
Oh, but, remember about the children! We mustn't forget about them.
Translation: "That is my personal unsupported opinion."
Michael Ossipoff
Ah yes. Well, here's one for the children then.
Mr. Rogers does not approve:
I'll consider myself Rogered then.
Putting on one of dem shoes.
"Each episode began the same way: Mister Rogers is seen coming home, singing his theme song "Won't You Be My Neighbor?", and changing into sneakers and a zippered cardigan sweater."
Now I get it... :up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Rogers
It was a happy time in my childhood, watching him come home and visit us kids across America.
The Catfish Of The Farm, eh? What can I say; I have an adventurous palate. :razz:
Careful, you might be labelled a sexist racist if you talk like that.
'Sup Posty.
Dude, that avatar is too much. Stop it, I'm actually smiling.
*aRE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!11*
"I challenge thee to a smile-off!!"
Post a topic about Nikolai Berdyaev, whom I assume you value greatly.
What philosophical truths, gems, or nuggets did he have to share with the world?
I'll post if I don't go to sleep, yet.
Eh, I doubt the thread would get far. I tend to incorporate some of his ideas into my arguments from time to time.
I do want to start a topic about his ideas at some point. I need to read and research more.
I see, so it would be premature then.
I'll wait. I need to delve more into Russian philosophy as of late. All this Plato this, Plato that, how much Plato can one endure?
Russian philosophy is pretty interesting; I need to read more of it. Heavy emphasis on teleology, for one thing. Something else weird is that I was recently reading up on Helena Blavatsky, who founded modern Theosophy, and she was Russian. Theosophy, while totally insane, was instrumental in bringing Buddhism and Eastern Philosophy to the West. That's kind of the position Russian philosophy seems to hold; bridging the gap.
Interesting. I bet quite a few Russian scholars are turning in their graves at the sentiment that Schopenhauer chewed and regurgitated Buddhism and the Upanishads to the West.
Could be, I dunno. What I was reading was more along the lines of Theosophy leading to the New Age movement, etc., and now we have yoga studios on every other block (or at least around these parts). I have caucasian friends who practice Buddhism, and even more who practice meditation. Strange world.
*New Age*, I don't even know what to associate that with anymore.
I don't think it exists now in the way it initially did.
I found something interesting for you.
Let me know if you like it.
Ooo, nice. I'm enjoying some silence before I go to bed, but I'll leave it open so I remember to watch it tomorrow.
Yes, join us. We have cookies.
The idea, in short, is that octopus-ancestors made a panspermia-alike entry in some form way back, and thrived and evolved onwards.
(This is not an invitation for racists to go on an octopus killing spree.) :)
Cause of Cambrian Explosion - Terrestrial or Cosmic?
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Progress in Biophysics & Molecular Biology
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That's some dangerous looking cock you've got there fella.
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Space tentacles inseminating the earth?
I knew it!
So did Lovecraft...
Getting out of work by knowingly exploiting an error on the rota? I was supposed to be in today, but it said that I was on holiday, so I didn't turn up. :snicker:
So erotic. Kind of like the Big Bang.
I've been called worse by better. :wink:
I'm unenlightened so I wouldn't know.
Beware of the ledge of absurdity when it comes to joking, sometimes people go overboard on the joke and permanent damage can be done.
Just sayin
You mean, dare someone's overinflated ego doesn't get deflated?
No, it's not about the ego. It is about we as 'thinkers' being able to respect one another, even in the deep bowels of Hanoverisms or in the middle of a heated debate. That we can rise above that fray and remember that in the end we are all friends here, if not friends then at the least we are fellow 'thinkers' and that is our common thread in which this forum is built upon. We as members are the scaffolding that the threads hang upon and without us, there would be a pile of frayed threads left on the floor.
Are you that happy to see me back? :lol:
Quoting Lone Wolf
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Quoting Agustino
Wait, [i]all[/I] of them? Even [I]that[/I] one? :monkey:
It's no longer a good day.
"Emily Thornberry MP, Labour’s Shadow Foreign Secretary, responding to the killing of Palestinians in Gaza today, said:
We condemn unreservedly the Israeli government for their brutal, lethal and utterly unjustified actions on the Gaza border, and our thoughts are with all those Palestinians in Gaza whose loved ones have been killed or injured as a result.
These actions are made all the worse because they come not as the result of a disproportionate over-reaction to one day’s protests, but as the culmination of six weeks of an apparently systemic and deliberate policy of killing and maiming unarmed protestors and bystanders who pose no threat to the forces at the Gaza border, many of them shot in the back, many of them shot hundreds of metres from the border, and many of them children."
Fantastic idea. Should start a thread on it.
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"'Thus Says the Lord': Religious Tunes at Jerusalem Embassy Opening Drown Out Protests
Only smartphones’ push notifications told about the rising death toll at the Gaza border, with the U.S. Embassy’s opening ceremony taking on a festively religious tone suited to please attending Jews and Christians alike." Haaretz
Had a look at Haaretz. Their reporting seems reasonably balanced, unlike some in the American media. Had enough of it today anyway. Sick world we live in.
No cookies for the philistines, apparently.
I'm fixin' fer a cock fight 'round these parts.
Lol. You're in the right place partner. :up:
Giddy up.
You may be pretty, but you cannot be sure. As it happens I am (a) highlander.
Haartetz is a leftist newspaper.
Yep, the Palestinians were just peacefully protesting, doing nothing that should be of concern to any reasonable Israeli and then the Israeli's opened fire. Hamas has nothing to do with any of this either.
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The Big Bang Theory just doesn't do it for me.
I mean, when I first heard of it the premise was intriguing, but in the end it's just a bunch of nerds "nerding-out" over the beauty seen through their narrow observational windows. An iota too voyeur if you ask me. Only the first season was good :)
Inter stellar tentacles though. It's pure [s]comedic[/s] erotic gold. They've even made full length (and legitimately under-rated) films about it!
Matt Groening is either a prophet or to be blamed for everything.,
Do I detect a city person attempting to use cowboy lingo? :smirk:
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I'm sure there are plenty of Israelis who understand live rounds are not the only method to be used to control protestors and condemn this. Just imagine the reaction in the US if this was Iran and the protestors were Christian.
That's a good point. We know very well what the reaction would be, and the condemnation would come down most heavily from the very people who justify the harsh treatment of Palestinians.
Fox News would be in paroxyms of rage to start with. Another useful way of looking at it is to imagine at one of the G20 summits where many protestors often are destructive that instead of regular crowd control tactics, it was decided just to mow the protestors down and kill dozens of them. Then imagine at least half of America either shrugging their shoulders or trying to justify it. It's chilling.
Indeed it is. IMO this is an example of why people tend to turn towards the political Left in college when confronted with facts about our actions around the globe - actions which run contrary to our professed principles and which significantly predate Trump's presidency. The modern Democratic party isn't great, but Republicans tend to be much more hawkish and less prone to even pay lip service to things like acknowledging basic human rights.
I vaguely recall a U.S. politician (may have been Howard Dean) taking a lot of heat for expressing the opinion that we should act as an "honest broker" in the Israeli-Palestinian dispute - the tacit assumption being that this wasn't the case - which he quickly had to walk back in favor of acknowledging the "special relationship" between the two countries. Something seems awry when you take shit for such a reasonable position.
I know there's no easy solution to the issue, but I have a far-fetched proposal: let's relocate Israelis to California where they can displace us natives. I'll move voluntarily. We can be absorbed by other states just as we suggest Palestinian Arabs be absorbed by other Arab nations. Do many pro-Israeli Jews take the religious significance of the homeland that seriously?
I think they do and it's fair that they do. But the two-state solution accommodates both sides. Problem is Bibi and some elements on the Palestinian side (though I would say the minority) don't want it. That's evidenced by the embassy move, which of course was going to be protested. Legitimately so in my view as the final status of Jerusalem including positioning of embassies was supposed to be part of that final two-state deal. The way things are now, this is just going to go on and on.
I assumed there were way more secular than religious Jews both in and outside of Israel, but it's good to know about the historical/religious significance attached to their ancient home.
I know the extremists on the Palestinian/Arab/Muslim side desire the annihilation of Israel - which is used as justification by some Israelis for the continued oppression and displacement of Palestinians - but I wonder what the ideal goal is for the extremists on the Israeli side? More land for protection, I assume, but how much?
I also think it's insane for Israelis (at least conservative Israelis) to cultivate such a close relationship with American evangelicals, since the latter group's primary motivation for their support seems to be a strange belief in a final battle between the forces of good and evil (or some such). Seems dangerous to ally yourself with a group which holds such irrational beliefs, and I say that as one who's sympathetic to many aspects of Christianity, and religions more generally.
Thanks for the clarification regarding the interest evangelicals have in supporting Israel. But hey, if it says it in the Bible then it must be true, I guess.
Unfortunately, it looks like the extremists on both sides are going to ensure that the moderates on both sides have no chance of finding an accommodation. What looks more likely is the continued settlement of the West Bank and strict containment of Gaza, all of which are likely to fuel more extremism amongst the Palestinians and thus more reactionary policies from Israel. Maybe post-Bibi/Trump there'll be a chance of salvaging something. If there's anything left to salvage.
Further to the theme Maw raised, here's an interesting article by Slavoj Zizek:
http://zizek.uk/whither-zionism/
"In July 2008, the Viennese daily Die Presse published a caricature of two stocky Nazi-looking Austrians, one of them holding in his hands a newspaper and commenting to his friend: “Here you can see again how a totally justified anti-Semitism is being misused for a cheap critique of Israel!”
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When today’s Christian fundamentalist supporters of Israeli policies reject leftist critiques of those policies, is their implicit line of argumentation not uncannily close to the caricature from Die Presse? Remember Anders Breivik, the Norwegian anti-immigrant mass murderer: He was anti-Semitic, but pro-Israel, since he saw the State of Israel as the first defence line against Muslim expansion—he even wanted to see the Jerusalem Temple rebuilt.
His view is that Jews are okay as long as there aren’t too many of them—or, as he wrote in his Manifesto: “There is no Jewish problem in Western Europe (with the exception of the U.K. and France) as we only have 1 million in Western Europe, whereas 800,000 out of these 1 million live in France and the U.K. The U.S., on the other hand, with more than 6 million Jews (600% more than Europe) actually has a considerable Jewish problem.”
His figure thus realizes the ultimate paradox of a Zionist anti-Semite—and we find the traces of this bizarre stance more often than one would expect."
I know you think you are genuinely on the right side here, and so do I, and it's unlikely we're going to change each other's minds. So, I think we'll just have to respectfully agree to disagree.
what if the israelis and palestinians were friends?
going to email the middle-east president and try to get this going.
seems like a good fix