Tom Storm

My point is I don't think there was a tradition of uninterrupted idealism that was displaced in the 19th century.

Not at all. I know rich socialists. It's a thing - we even have the expression Bollinger Socialism. What matters is what people do, not the theories t...

But when did it start and what do we count as idealism - are you talking about various trends of mysticism believed in by certain groups or privileged...

How does that operate in a culture? Surely you would need a panel or body which can understand the model and help to implement it? I suppose at heart ...

If there's one thing I can't abide, it's lizards who make bad choices.

:ok:

. You're doing a Socrates, eh?

Al Bowlly 1931 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syn51Vu-js8

Not sure why these sorts of questions matter. Isn't it the case that in most constructions of God 1) God is transcendent and is outside time and space...

Thanks for clarifying. Sounds challenging.

That's why I chose this issue, to see how the idea works in practice with a more complex issue. That's a helpful summary, thank you. Another take is t...

:up: Thanks. I imagined that Buddhism and Hinduism have a rich source of potential ideas in this space - Schop certainly thought so... The hardest par...

I'm not an idealist, but I think I understand the ontology more charitably than G.E. Moore and I also understand its attractions. I still think the mo...

Sorry Mark, but I can't seem to follow what you are advocating. The language seems really unclear to me. So is your model predicated on making moral c...

I hold a similar position to @"Fooloso4" in as much as what we call reality is of a human perspective - which doesn't make it unreal or not real... it...

If Virgil was Dante's guide, Agent Smith was our Jiminy Cricket...

I guess this would be my answer too. But... I struggle with the words 'as it is'? Can there ever be a final 'as it is' that is not also subject to a p...

A dangerous project to begin with, especially for a lonely, sickly, unlucky in love, son of a pastor like Freddie. :razz:

Yep. We keep coming back to the idea that cooperation is not of itself a sound or neutral moral position, but may be used to dominate, subjugate and m...

I was drawn to Marxism as a kid because it seemed obvious to me that the way society is organized rewards some people and debilitates and destroys oth...

Talk me through it.

Didn't say it was. I was riffing off the seemingly endless question about what is real which is foundational to the OP.

That's the underlying question of many an OP, regardless of the ostensible topic. My own view is we don't get to the really real or the truthy truth, ...

Sounds like you are not following the conversation I was having with BC. Don't worry about it. Loosely speaking, the OP is about what is real. I agree...

I'm not sure what you're talking about but I would include scientism as one of those bedtime stories.

Never owned any hats, but I did mispronounce allegorical and didacticism, whilst sitting on the floor having cheese and wine.

It's probably in my top ten - but I tend to prefer older flicks.

Interesting - esp the Hegel/Marx material. Vey nicely expressed.

We certainly seem to need and cherish our bedtime stories.

I don't think it is accurate to assume that if someone has no experience of the numinous they are not interested in what people think it is. Just brie...

Ok. I don't think I have any idea of the numinous but I get your general point. I suppose I wonder how long does one sit in this 'letting go-ness' and...

Having an immense member is also obligatory for wisdom.

My experience is that people usually find philosophy to be a turn off for reasons mentioned in OP's here often enough. New Atheism was more of a publi...

Maybe I have you wrong but isn't this the kind of dogmatic position you were speaking against earlier? What do you mean by seeing the world non-dually...

I went straight from high school into middle age. I never liked being young - I hated the experience of inexperience and the music and the culture wer...

Maybe with a light sabre?

I think this may be my favourite line here so far.

Cool, thanks, that's interesting to hear and I would have thought this (realism vs the others) was a perennial and serious philosophical question, but...

I got there from this site which has really broadened my range of understanding - limited though it remains. So thank you! :pray:

The song's wrong, it's cupidity, not money which makes the world go around... Hope so. I wish one of the other consequences was the elevation of truth...

Very nice. Yes, I think embodied cognition is a crucial part of this. As George Lakoff says, the mind is inherently embodied - a brain with no body ca...

Interesting brief John Searle chapter on direct realism and what he considers to be recurring mistakes in philosophy. https://www.researchgate.net/pub...

Thanks and I think this may be a good summary of Wittgenstein's approach. My only question is should we take this methodology seriously? It sometimes ...

I was hoping you'd drop by. Is your take on the conversation about realism informed by Austin and Searle? My memory is that you would have no truck wi...

There's something very archetypal about that formulation: the quotidian/the higher awareness/the quotidian And comforting...

:up: Fascinating stuff.

I've generally never seen it much different than this, it's just that each generation's trivialities seem more grotesque that the last. I'm not across...

Being someone who likes flow charts more than chapters, I would like to see a chart expressing what each philosophical position holds is responsible f...

Indeed. And in this argument it might be posited that via this 'human process' is built-in neuro-cognitive schema that impose what we think is reality...

I think your approach has been correct. I also thought that that is arguing direct realism - that there is an objective unmediated reality 'out there'...