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"but an incoherent thesis (claims of a rectangular circle) can safely be set aside." Why is it incoherent? Other than you saying it is? It's entirely ...

"Idealism: Other minds exist! Solipsism: Other minds don't exist!" Thanks for this - it has helped clarify this for me. But how can we logically prove...

Ok had to take a short break. I think we need to define terms, and maybe we can start (and end?) with what is considered absurd. I'm not a social cons...

Or better "Solipsist Unite."

I guess that's my point - Berkeley "has to make use of some kind of 'big mind' to prevent solipsism." That or a cosmic consciousness, neither of which...

I get that - except isn't idealism a la berkeley predicated on the idea that all things disappear when we're not experiencing them first hand. The tre...

There's nothing wrong with generalizing, in principle. I'm surprised at how much rain we've had here lately. I'm surprised at how many people believe ...

let me phrase it this way - can you think of anything that would affect consciousness more than damage to the brain? Obviously removing a tonail or ev...

Thanks - very helpful to my understanding, and I agree.

You're right - sorry, I'm a rookie, and I tend to generalize. I'll just lurk until I get the lay of the land.

I would imagine it's the same definition as anyone's - intentionality, qualia, awareness. Unless "anyone" is a panpsychist, religious person or woo wo...

So are you saying it's "nowhere" or "everywhere?" And do you mean YOUR consciousness, or a general pan-psych kind of universal consciousness?

So you feel consciousness exists in all parts of the body? Taken ad absurdum this means there's consciousness in your toenail. Anyway I think it's mor...

said "We know what they can do now; we don't know what they can do in the future. We can only assess what seems plausible now." To me this is the best...

Do you think it was always there, from before the earth existed?

No offence to anyone but the Mysterians is a terrible name, and I think a Psychedelic rock band in the 60's already took it. Sorry - Friday night, jus...

Ok it seems like we're in agreement - and thanks for the info that I lacked! I just realized I read the typo in your post "I do t think consciousness ...

I guess I'm going to argue "straw man" again, because I never said that we'll be able to produce consciousness "that is conscious in the same way as l...

Tip-of-the-hat sir!

No argument. Discussion. Maybe you stepped into this late - in my original post I said this - The statement "eventually consciousness and qualia will ...

"In the absence of Neuro-physiological theory..." So far. Isn't it possible that that could change?

I would like to know who thinks computation can cause consciousness. Is that a pan-psych argument? That a thermometer has a small level of consciousne...

just to be snarky, what inroads has philosophy made into consciousness? It seems to be referred to in philosophical circles as the “hard problem,” and...

Ok I will say the observer dependence argument is above my philosophical pay grade. I will study it…be ready for my next class :lol: But let me ask yo...

but how does the process come into existence? This is what has yet to be explained.

As for AI most of the arguments are based on what computers can do now, not what they can do in the future, ex. quantum computers. Sometimes I find ph...

I’m not a fan of Kuhn or Feyerbend, who said that science is no better at predicting the future than astrology. I’m not a realist, I’m an empiricist r...

Oh and it's a critique of the Turing Test. My bad

That's kinda what I'm sayin'....

I understand what the Chinese Room is doing...correct me if I'm wrong. It's dispelling the notion that the computer is doing anything that requires co...

In this quote lies the confusion. When the materialist theorist says things like "...it is a very strong argument for reductive or eliminative materia...

Agreed. No argument from a materialist perspective....mine anyway.

If you read my posts I said I don't agree with the concept of eliminating folk psychology. I do agree with educating people about what's really going ...

Apparently you can't. I quit other social media because too many people just came on to argue. Getting too old for that, nothing personal.

. This is short and sweet. https://archive.philosophersmag.com/paul-churchland/ Pat is very active on Twitter. If you hate twitter, just look at her's...

Read Searle - not a fan. The Chinese Room hasn't fared well over time.

I apply the razor to materialism. Simply put - the simplest explanation for consciousness is that it's in the brain. It isn't visible, and doesn't hav...

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I have no idea, I’m not a scientist. But unless we really believe that humans are somehow SO special that our (evolutionarily developed) consciousness...

who said quantum mechanics and consciousness were the same. Deepak Chopra? Not me. Well, mind/body initially, but really if the mind and consciousness...

no offence but I find you’re constantly misinterpreting what I’m saying then Straw Manning me. Of course AI intelligence is different from human intel...

you realize that Dennett is saying that science contains the explanation for consciousness right?

if not a materialist, how do you see consciousness?

we seem to be agreeing here, but disagreeing in others. So to clarify, are you a materialist in terms of consciousness- or at least open to it, since ...

relatively brief no.

I don’t see that at all. Do you mean that only humans can have the kind of intelligence you’re talking about? I remember a time when people thought th...

Ya - I haven't mentioned Dennett because I don't feel comfortable with all his views. But if you read the ps in my final msg from yesterday, I actuall...

Great discussion. Lot of strong minds on here - some not so much but as a visitor I'll remain polite. I'm a "medium" strength mind ha. Thanks for your...