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And do you agree Descartes never really disproved the BIAV? Except by bringing God in.

"SO when are proofs needed?" When we do philosophy. Do you just take for granted that there MUST be other minds? Surely not, you must have a reason. A...

Of course not. I think I've said this 15 times here - my quest is not bickering, it's a logical argument for a non-solipsistic solution. Solipsism is ...

And before you make any other "arguments from authority" I'm untrained in higher level philosophy because of my family's inability to pay for universi...

That is how I feel about other minds "What is "ridiculous" is assuming a perspective for which there are not any grounds to assume and then use such a...

"The epistemological solipsist claims that it's wrong for a philosopher to simply assume that there's something a philosopher can be wrong about." Am ...

Can we put can the conclusion "we know there are other minds" into a formal logic equation? Premise Premise Conclusion?

"A logical proof moves from premise to conclusion." I agree. Can you put this argument into that form?

- do you agree with this - a rational person ought to recognize that the existence of something other than the mind (like other minds) cannot be certa...

I have, and I've understand that every time someone gives an argument for it, they're basing on a starting point of people (other minds) communicating...

I’m thrilled this discussion. Is still going on. As I e admitted, I’m a newbie. I’ve learned so much epistemology in the course of this debate, I can ...

Only odd to you....I don't exist. Ok sorry I said you could have the last word.

In fact I do talk to myself - and my cat. Banno you get the last word - with me anyway. My solipsistic world is bright and sunny today. Must go for a ...

thank you!

"At some stage the talk must give way to doing things" Applies to every argument....

We disagree. I've not convinced by arguments "proving" other minds. That's all. Of course life goes on, as it does with empiricists and any other theo...

Exactly.

Thanks

I ain't ridiculing anyone, my friend. i just posted a question and it seems to have stirred up a lot of different positions and disagreements. Enough ...

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How do you know there are sense organs? We could be some mysterious mist on another planet? The toy of an alien child. Ok I went full Twilight Zone th...

"I agree. For all the but the mentally ill, it's just a game. I'd probably not bother discussing it at this point were it not adjacent to some themes ...

Hume and Kant imply it, yet it's far out? That's one of my points. These massive figures in the philosophical canon, Hume, Kant and I would add Descar...

see my above comment to Pie. Sorry to be a "devil's advocate" but I feel it's the best way to argue this. It's all an illusion anyway right? Kidding.

Yes - you're right, I talk to people all the time about right and wrong, Descartes, Wittgenstein, The Real Wives of Philosophy Professors, recipes for...

Oh I know - consciousness hasn't been explained by any theory or any kind of scientific proof. It's just my belief science WILL explain it, and that y...

With all due deference to your obvious superiority to me, in terms of study and mental capacity, I would put forward the "out of the mouth of babes" p...

"Solipsism is very often in invisible scare quotes, and called methodological - as opposed to metaphysical. As such it was the method of the earliest ...

The "contrast" Pie is looking for is, I think you're saying, is the contrast between the "outside" world we believe we see, with other minds and mater...

As I've said, I'm "being" a solopsist for the sake of proving there's no way out of it, logically, with a solid sound argument. Fun fact - I'm actuall...

Maybe I need to use more 5-10 syllable words....

"There are many types of idealism, but generally the universe is made up of more than just the content of my consciousness." I still can't see how tha...

Thanks so much for doing this. I'm printing it out and taking it to school tomorrow to study. Much obliged!

and I keep harping that solipsism isn't a round square. It's a theory just like idealism. Is idealism a "round square."

Ok now you're just being silly, playing "gotcha". I situate myself as a solipsist to be a devil's advocate for the sake of the discussion. I've said m...

Pie brought up the Matrix, not I.

One last annoying question. If no epistemological theories entail actually living your life differently from how you already are, then how is this str...

I will. And I'll come back afterwards. This whole discussion is above my pay grade, but I do think (and I've thought about this for a long time) the f...

No I should apologize for being touchy. My bad.

"But why would you call something a fever dream if there are no such things as dreamers and beds?" Of course there are. And Philosophy forums, and guy...

"I see! There's a logical impossibility at the heart of solipsism & idealism. To disprove them we havta, in a sense, look without looking." Since you'...

"The imagination itself would be imagined. The contrastive force of real/imagined vanishes." True - so let me rephrase...in my solipsistic world, all ...

I realize the cogito isn't without it's problems....but I'll take a wack at this . "But a proposition is an item of language. And there are good reaso...

"I can relate to the intuitions you invoke. I've seen The Matrix and other excellent sci-fi. It seems to me that all such fictions depend 'grammatical...

"Hobbes, for instance, was basically an anti-philosopher, who mostly wanted to sweep nonsense from the path of science." There's part of me that ident...

"There are multiple minds if there are multiple minds." Ok then - there are green elephants with tutus if there are green elephants with tutus.? Isn't...

Again - in my opinion, we can agree a round square is impossible, but disagree that a virtual reality world that we are unaware of is "absurd" or "inc...

. "Both realism and idealism must posit something bedsides one's mind. — Banno" This is my issue (and this discussion is very enlightening, thanks). D...

I'm not sure where I said "accepted answer." Did I?

This exactly how I felt my first and second time going through philosophy studies. I'm trying to define "absurd" because both special relativity and q...