creativesoul

You've misunderstood. Color experience requires both, colorful things(things capable of being seen as colorful by a creature so capable) and a creatur...

Yup, and good points.

Am I? Percepts are in the head.

:lol: We see our color percepts? Yup. There's the Cartesian theatre. Homunculus lives on...

They are inherently capable of being seen as red by a creature so capable. They do not look red unless they are capable of being seen as red by a crea...

Well, I am agreeing with "without the creature capable of seeing color; there are no colors". Colored things are also necessary. Searle seems to say m...

:rofl: Coming from one who assumes what's in question and admittedly does not have an argument.

If there is no color in the world, then rainbows and visible spectrums are colorless. I'm not okay with that, because rainbows and visible spectrums a...

One need not have the artist on hand to hear their music. Their music is not 'in the recording'. We could transfer the recording from an album to an 8...

The bolded portion needs unpacked. The physical retinal image does not come from within the perceiver. It is not that image being recorded. Rather the...

Cherry picking one liners as a means of putting forth a position. Doesn't work very well if the authors do not agree with one another.

I asked what the difference was between seeing red stuff(what happens when we look at red stuff), hallucinating red stuff(which never happens while lo...

He acknowledges and talks about both internal and external components of color vision and seeing color. He makes good points regarding the subjective ...

The second and third are at odds. You believe em both? I edited this, so please keep this in mind.

You drew a hard equivalency between four separate things. None of them did.

You should try quoting more carefully.

Sir. You most certainly did. You drew a hard fast equivalency between four different things. When I asked you what the differences were between them t...

No, it's not. Science shows that certain biological structures are necessary for all perception. Makes perfect sense in my book. It does not follow th...

Well said.

As is mine. I've no idea how you arrive at the notion that color is nothing but a mental percept, which is to say that biological machinery alone is e...

There's nothing in the science that contradicts what I've offered here. It takes more than just biological machinery doing its job... mindlessly. Subj...

Care to shoulder that burden? Edit: Nevermind, I see you just claimed that hallucinations of red pens include red pens.

Exactly. Unspoken necessary presuppositions. Collinwood comes to mind.

It strikes me as a performative contradiction, given the fact those purportedly holding the first claim as true have been incessantly making claims ab...

Nice red herring, strawman, non sequitur, etc... I made the case a few posts back. See for yourself.

Pots and kettles. 'Felt like'??? Or projection, perhaps.

I can't make you pay attention to the whole post. Hallucinations of red pens never include red pens. The pain feels like it's coming from where the li...

Oh, and there are no colorless rainbows, nor colorless visible spectrums. :zip:

Phantom limb pain works exactly like hallucination does as it pertains to the existential dependency aspect between limb pain and phantom limb pain. T...

Well, you're reporting what the writer says. If the author is a scientist, then you're reporting what a scientist says. And they... and we... are theo...

You're contradicting yourself at nearly every turn, in addition to the fact that your 'argument' leads to the absurdity of you claiming out loud, for ...

Colors corresponding to wavelengths of light... Are there colorless rainbows?

Strawdogs and ad homs... wonderful.

And yet... you and Michael are doing exactly that.

The first paragraph shows the consequences of adding Michael's earlier claims to known fact. The second paragraph is also known fact. It makes no diff...

Be equivocating.

It follows from what you wrote. I showed that.

Light is unlike chemicals.

Are you saying that there are colorless rainbows?

Light exposure influences the biological machinery to do different things... mindlessly. This includes the eyes, when looking at the infamous image of...

The light without color? Earlier you forwarded the claim "there is no color in light". The visible spectrum is light. If there is no color in light, a...

:yikes:

Colors are not simple entities. Nor are they equivalent to the biological machinery doing it's job... mindlessly.

You've no ground to speak in such ways. The consequences of your claims - if true - is that you cannot further discriminate between those four things....

Well, that remains a contentious matter. The 'red part', huh? :brow: There are common elements within each. The mental percept that 620-750 light ordi...

No. The opposite of equivocation is using one and only one sense of a key term in a logical argument about the ontology of our referent(s).

Your equivocating "red".

I once seriously injured the thumb of my right hand. Almost cut the tip off, including half of the last skeletal digit. Immediate and constant pressur...

Care to set out the match?

Hallucination, dreaming, and seeing are very different experiences. Seeing a red pen is a common experience that always includes a red pen. Hallucinat...