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Those who deny Trump's causal role in inciting the riot/insurrection attempt on Jan. 6th will be forced to contradict themselves if they want to (fals...

Because many Americans have no clue. They are capable of holding unshakable certainty about some things, despite the fact that they know nothing about...

Our conversation in my thread is a good one. It's my turn, actually. I just reread it tonight. Apologies for the delay. Been super super busy for the ...

Gauge? That's a good question.

No one has claimed that humans look forward to Thursday because of it's name. I claimed, not Wayfarer, that looking forward to Thursday requires knowi...

How is that different from being excited about the train's arrival based upon the historical pattern? The dog clearly connects the five o'clock train ...

Interesting. So, they have some intuitive sense of time passing, as I mentioned earlier... perhaps accompanied by pattern recognition? I'm still not s...

I thinking pulling oneself from flames is not rational or deliberated or reasoned or thought about at all. It's just done. Believing that touching the...

Hey Mww... This thread is very much along the lines of our ongoing discussion.

It barely scratches the surface of the interesting parts. In what ways are we similar enough to correctly claim that this or that nonhuman is capable ...

Well, given that the anticipatory thought in question is "looking forward to this Thursday", I supposed it was obvious enough. What would such a dog's...

I wanted to note that we differ here. On my view, "concepts" causes far more trouble than it's worth. It does nothing - as far as I can tell - that la...

Clearly this is true. This thread shows that much clearly. There are competing notions of "rational thought" hereabouts. However, all is not lost as a...

I'm unclear what you think is inconsistent/incoherent/contradictory? :worry: What exactly are you asking evidence for? What does "any such thing" pick...

Right. I'm trying to point the discussion in the right direction, so to speak.

Springfield is close to where I am currently residing... many around here believe the immigrant invasion propaganda, regardless of what's happening. G...

All people are human beings. All human beings are people. Two names for the same thing. If animals are like all human beings in certain respects, then...

Yup.

It has become even clearer now... What counts as thinking? What counts as rational thinking? The answers need a minimal criterion, which in turn, requ...

Is learning to open doors and gates rational thinking, or does it not meet that criterion?

I've watched cats go back to the place where their captured rodent had escaped hours earlier. If that does not count as that cat thinking about that r...

I've watched both, cats and dogs, learn how to open doors/gates by watching people do it, much to the dismay of their humans. If that does not count a...

Perhaps, but it's the correct one.

Competing notions of "thought" and "rational thought" can be assessed by how well they 'fit' into what we know to be true, as well as their inherent a...

Language less creatures have no words. Yet, they think about the world. Clearly, not all thinking is existentially dependent upon words.

No, it doesn't. Creatures capable of thinking about the world were doing so long before we began talking about it. Hence, the need for the aforementio...

What counts as thinking? What counts as rational thinking? The answers need a minimal criterion, which in turn, requires the right sort of methodologi...

Searle fills that bill nicely.

Yep. Seems to me that physical events cause mental events and mental events cause physical events. Not one or the other. Both.

Clear lines in the sand are Bernie's strongest suit. That would have been reeeeel nice. She was nervous, but delivered okay. Trump can sling a lot of ...

I knew an old finish guy who saw reds and greens in atypical fashion. I think he called himself 'colorblind'. Perfect color matches on additions to an...

Right. I'm just reinforcing the idea that red apples can also be grey apples for the appearance of color totally depends on both, the biological struc...

Hmm. Hesperus and Phosphorous. Evening Star. Morning Star. Venus over time. Those who see red and green as grey ARE picking between the same apples. T...

We see color before language acquisition begins in earnest. Color is not borne through language. Calling colors by name is. Further differentiation be...

Yup. Red balls cause color experience. Not "a" as in singular, but rather 'a' as in a two sided fiction. One side claims color is in visible objects. ...

I thought that that 'issue' had been long since resolved. Seeing. Dreaming. Hallucinating. The former always includes some thing, whereas the latter t...

Yup. My reply was "in part"...

We see colored things before learning the names of colors. We learn how to use "red" by picking out red things. Language is unnecessary for seeing red...

Indeed. The question is whether or not there is an ontological difference between veridical perception, dreaming, and hallucinating. The difference is...

I agree, if by "is red" we mean is capable of causing red experience in those capable of having them.

Well, they're different sets of meaningful marks(names). For me, the last two are inseparable, whereas they are both existentially dependent on the fi...

Must have already in past... That's how gestalts work. They're both elements for the emergence of red experience(s).

Unless having already seen red is necessary for the illusion to work. In part.

And now they've been convinced to be mad at all the wrong people for all the wrong reasons.

Threats of violence are not a part of informed willful consent. Call it "manufactured consent", if you like. I won't mind that. The American public ha...

Yep. And understanding the order of events is paramount. The role that language can and cannot play in our lives; particularly early on. That seems cr...

I suspect a notion of 'violence' stretched beyond its breaking point to include mental violence.

That contradicts both, current and historic facts. See the last post for the beginning of a list of things that happened, and/or are currently happeni...

Vietnam War. Iraq War. Consent to remove workers' rights. Consent to dismantle/defund public schools. Jan. 6 2021. Etc. Pretty well, if the sheepdog i...

I've already addressed this. I'm neither inclined nor required to go over it again. It's a matter of existential dependency and elemental constituency...