creativesoul

Thanks for that clarity. Good. It seems we're in agreement. As close or closer than any other participant in this thread. Strong methodological natura...

Indeed. The topic is clear. It presupposes the existence of at least two distinct kinds of thought. Rational thought and thought that is not. What do ...

Not a problem. A similarity to be properly accounted for.

Red herring. Are you denying that thought and belief is prior to thinking about thought and belief?

An emotive dog may wail.

What sorts of stuff can become meaningful to a creature incapable of isolating their own belief system, as subject matters in their own right, to be f...

Thinking about one's own thought and belief as a subject matter in and of itself requires an ability to pick one's own thought and belief about this w...

Mindless entities are so due to the absence of meaningful experience. Mindless things do not consist of thought and belief. Nothing is meaningful to a...

Sounds like a problem for the notion of "mindfulness".

Another problem.

A problem.

A nice clear point of disagreement.

The detail of mutations remains unclear. What makes a mutation... a mutation?

I take issue with taking certain kinds of leaps. "Increase" works well. Very very slow increments.

Yup.

"Greater" abilities??? I'm not sure what that means, but evolution demands survival advantages. Different species have different perceptual machinery....

:smile: If the statue is clay, then there is another relationship between them... also related in minds. One of elemental constituency and perhaps als...

Okay. It's the quality of the consequences that are in contention. Well, that's one possible implication/meaning of that comment. I'm less concerned a...

If and only if the train does not arrive shortly, and you isolate your own belief to the exclusion of all else, and you practice thinking and talking ...

The difficulty is setting out the ways we're similar, and the ways we're unique. Our own thinking is bolstered by our own complex language use and all...

:lol: Yup. A bit before my time, but sounds like an effective ad.

Nicholas? Who's that? :razz: I eat them a variety of ways. Some pickleless, but just pickles and mustard suits me at times.

By minds.

So... then are you saying that it's not bad to smack an old lady in the head with a shovel, or to kick puppies, or to knowingly and deliberately cause...

Including this?

Not quite. Rather, I take account of how meaningful thought, belief, and experience emerges, what it consists of, what that requires, and I apply that...

Well, I would concur that no one has been picklefree. :wink: Seems your pickle is one of logical consequences. I have no issue with the 'problem' of o...

Biological clocks? I'll have to look closer. I suspect there's some equivocation going on here. Clocks do not keep time in the sense we're discussing....

I don't see how. There is no need to think about one's own beliefs about future events in order to have beliefs about future events.

According to your linguistic framework, perhaps. Not mine. Who said it was? Not mine. I do not see how that gets you out of the pickle you're in.

I cannot help but to laugh. This smacks of irony. Assertions have no hair. "Bald assertions" are what we call exclamations that assume precisely what'...

Oh gosh. That is in dire need of argumentative support. I have no reason to believe that that's true, as written. Bald assertion is inadequate. Bald a...

No thought? No belief? No expectation? What, on earth, could mindless observation be? What is it to observe something that one does not believe is the...

Are you having a conversation by yourself, for yourself, and to yourself? "Okay." ??? No, the dog knows when their human is about to arrive but has no...

I wanted to mention something prior to retiring for the night. When I said "language less" I meant without naming and descriptive practices. There is ...

God made no such thing... :razz:

Knowing what time the human is expected is knowledge about one's own expectations. Dogs do not have that. The same applies to the five o'clock train.

I wouldn't take it as rude. Asking for clarity may help you to understand, should you want to.

Read the next bits.

You know I'm not going to be goaded into that mess. :wink: Is learning how to open a gate or door by observation alone possible by a creature complete...

I would concur. Sure. Yes. Interpretation is a very interesting process. It is entwined with understanding. When someone draws the same correlations b...

Hmmm, this isn't the place for it, but there seems to be a remarkable difference between how we treat "meaning". I'm nihilistic, as mentioned heretofo...

Jeez! You guys get a room, will ya?

The dog believes that the human will be arriving soon. The dog does not recognize the sound of it's human's car. The dog, after being reminded of past...

Sweet. Much obliged.

I do not see how that could be possible. Critical thinking is a metacognitive endeavor. Metacognitive endeavors require naming and descriptive practic...

Nice. So, we're in complete agreement on that much. I thought we were very close. Nice confirmation. Nice. I'm not seeing how that approach could help...

Ah, no worries Mww. I do not believe that I've ever tried to fill that prescription. I was just highlighting the approach set out in my reply to you. ...

Those behaviors have a multitude of very different and equally accurate explanations for why the dog is behaving that way. Behavior alone underdetermi...

Thanks. I appreciatcha for appreciating me. :wink: We know there are competing contradictory notions of "rational" at work here in this thread. They d...