creativesoul

:brow: Why ask if you already know?

What conscious sensations?

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Good advice. Weird that you would say something not yet said. I'm reading the discussion. So far, I've seen no coherent line of inquiry. No, it's not ...

I'll go back and read...

:up: Could be fun.

What case? Sorry, want to be sure we're talking about the same scenario... Set it out for me, if you would...

I suggest you re-think this a bit... seriously. You've made several errors here. You're arguing against The Golden Rule, not the CI. They are not one ...

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What better reason to throw such empty notions and/or language use aside? :brow:

No biggie. I'm stoked to see the genuine agreement between our views regarding conscious experience(consciousness).

...and wrong too! Not all...

"What if everyone acted like that?" "If everyone acted like that, would the world be a better place?" Such questions foster helping, cultivating, enco...

No it doesn't.

Sounds about right to me. Generally I mean. I disagree with the semiotic distinction between syntax and semantics when it comes to meaning, but other ...

Good points.

Agreed. Hard to find something if you do not know what you're looking for. By 'definition' the hard problem arises. The framework is the problem.

Color and conscious experience thereof? Think about the elemental constituents. Think about the existential dependency. Apples are not the cause of ap...

:brow: Some language less creatures can learn that fire hurts when touched because learning that fire hurts when touched is a process that does not al...

Well put.

Seems that way to me as well. Dennett also pointed it out.

I've seen very little, if anything, that Andrew has argued here that strikes me as obviously mistaken. Andrew also seems to be skirting around, or nea...

Not only human children have the capacity to acquire language. What I'm saying is that language use alone is inadequate for reason, as well as unneces...

Neither can children. Do they not have a perspective? Are they not rational? Hey Jeep! :smile: What you've said here is over-simplistic. There are thr...

Biden is in a position to take what would have otherwise been known as a conservative, responsible approach to the pandemic response... and I suspect ...

If we say that red/redness is a property of red objects of perception, all properties cause some particular effect, and that that effect is the correl...

I left out the bolded portion above accidentally in my original reply. Does that correction change anything important on your view? Does it matter to ...

Language is one consideration worth touching upon. Drawing that distinction is important on my view. Conscious experience of color consisting of a lin...

We're close. What's a conception of color if not thinking about color? If crows have conceptions of color, and we have conceptions of color, there mus...

So association of color equals conception of color?

Look at "red" and "redness" while you're at it...

We're not getting anywhere with gratuitous assertions or non sequiturs. You've a habit of rewording what I say into something different, and then crit...

What's the difference between redness and red?

Have you read all I've had to say on this topic in this thread? That may make a difference. Click on my avatar, then on my comments. I've been partici...

If someone does not realize that there is no such thing as a property of language less conscious experience that we've called "redness", then there's ...

Not to the flies anyway...

While I'm not sure of the extent of the change, especially during the pandemic, the support for Bernie were he in Biden's place, would and has shown t...

And something tells me you never will...

Indeed, and this shows us that "redness" is neither necessary nor useful aside from creating a bottle to buzz around in...

I agree that some language less creatures can distinguish between red things as well as gathering different red things. I agree that some language les...

I suggest a revisitation... Immediately apprehending and/or understanding "redness" requires already knowing how to use "red", and is metacognitive in...

Identifying the color as "red" does not require metacognition.

No. The point is that immediately understanding and/or apprehending redness as a property of conscious experience requires metacognition. Basic rudime...

This needs argued for. Red cups and red balls have something in common:They're both red. They both reflect/emit the same or similar enough frequencies...

All conscious experience is meaningful to the creature having it. <-----That is a consideration that has been left sorely unattended... All conscious ...

It would be if all conscious experience involving red cups, balls, and tulips required immediately apprehending redness(as a property). It doesn't.

I do not think that you understood the argument given. Merely distinguishing between red and blue is inadequate for understanding and/or immediately a...

False dichotomy. The term "red" was used to pick out certain frequencies of light before we knew that.

To put a finer point on this... Talk of "redness" is existentially dependent upon language use, but not just language use, per se. Talk of "redness" a...

Clearly, and it seems you're not alone.