creativesoul

There are variations in our biological machinery.

Is the idea/notion/concept of "Qualia" useful? Perhaps you missed this... By all means, I wish someone would at least offer some sort of explanation f...

Do you agree that all conscious experience of seeing red cups includes seeing red cups?

Gotta love it when folk ask someone to compare something that is nowhere to be seen to a color chart.

We'll all pick out the frequencies that appear to us all individually over and over again, time and time again, each and every time we pick out red cu...

"Public colored" is an odd turn of phrase... :brow:

Those entirely different subjective colors are always like the little man who wasn't there. They're quite clearly not entirely different. We all pick ...

I do not. Nor need I. Yeah, its weird how everyone always picks out the red ones. I'm fairly certain that that's because those frequencies appear exac...

Does that appear red to you? Yep. Cool.

Red, I would think. Has something to do with certain frequencies of visible light spectrum being picking out.

Are you saying that not all conscious experience of seeing red cups includes red cups?

By all means, I wish someone would at least offer some sort of explanation for using these words. If it's useful for picking out or emphasizing the su...

This presupposes that there is a need to replace the notion of 'qualia'. What is it taking proper adequate account of that some other language game do...

What do you think about the three kinds of conscious experience I set out in the last few pages?

They are not an example of what we're talking about. We're talking about conscious experience of seeing red cups.

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Rubbish. Illusions and hallucinations of seeing red cups are not conscious experience of seeing red cups.

No description(s) of any specific experience is equal to having the experience(whatever it may be). No two specific kinds of experiences are exactly a...

When someone refuses to agree that all conscious experience of seeing red cups includes red cups, there's not much more that can be said is there? :me...

Never a good sign... That's not even remotely close to anything I've written here. It's closer to the exact opposite. Be well .

Red is unobservable to those who cannot see it. The description counts as the totality of the conscious experience of red regarding such people.

There's a huge difference between our reports of conscious experience and conscious experience. No one is saying otherwise. Sure, someone who has neve...

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Red is unobservable to the candidate under consideration in that particular example. Being cute/coy by feigning ignorance is nice though.

That is not a wish of mine. I've found myself unexpectedly surprised on more than one occasion.

I do not see why not... There are names and descriptions for and/or of unobservables.

I would agree, but when it comes to people who are supposed to be describing their own conscious experience of red cups, saying that that conscious ex...

Now apply the context... You do not know what another's conscious experience of red cups consists of. Why do you keep saying that? You do know that an...

We're talking about pretheoretical conscious experience... "Ineffable" denotes that which is unable to be said; that which cannot be spoken. When pret...

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure I understand... We all know what red cups look like. We know that each and every experience of seeing a red cup always inv...

And here I thought it was via physiological sensory perception apparatus. Who knew it was through symbols and signs. No perception of objects for thos...

Well, given that it's the proponents of "qualia" who set it, they ought give several rats' asses. :brow: Personally I would rather obliterate any and ...

If you're advocating for qualia, this is pivotal. It is the requirement that something be able to exist in it's entirety prior to any theoretical cons...

Dennett is attacking the notion/idea of Qualia as (1) ineffable (2) intrinsic (3) private (4) directly or immediately apprehensible in consciousness, ...

I do not understand it as an answer to your exchange either.

Visual perception of red apples does not guarantee conscious experience of red apples. Seems to me that that follows from what has suggested.

"The process" of conscious experience... Perfect! What does that consist of?

Without the apple, there is no apple taste for anything or anyone, and yet you wish to claim that the taste of apples is in the perceiver. Yeah... No.

An apple tastes precisely and exactly just like an apple... to all apple eaters. That's how...

"A taste"...

There is no experience of qualia beyond the language game of talking about the use of "qualia".

Full circle... What does "qualia" pick out to the exclusion of all else?

:clap: Great work down there!!!

"Qualia" is the name of all that?

:wink:

The distinction between morals and ethics is ill-conceived. They are both one in the same thing.

One cannot move away from what counts as acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief, and/or behaviour, for that standard directly influences one's own th...

Are you ever going to explain what you're talking about? What are you picking out to the exclusion of all else with "conscious sensation"?

The green tea leaves? Your being a pain in my ass?

Either you can explain what you're referring to when you use "conscious sensations" or you cannot. It's not my job to fill in your blanks. I do not us...