creativesoul

If all belief has propositional content then either propositions somehow exist in their entirety prior to language use in such a way so that language-...

I'm arguing that all belief is meaningful to the creature forming, having, and/or holding the belief; that all belief consists of correlations drawn b...

:smirk: More self-contradiction.

Indeed. The scents and sounds become significant(meaningful) as a result of becoming part of a capable creature's correlations drawn between them, pos...

Meaningful belief is not the sort of thing that has a spatiotemporal location. A capable language-less creature believes a mouse ran behind the tree i...

I suppose no such thing.

If something can be put into propositional form, then it is propositional? Surely, you're not claiming that, are you? :brow: I would think that when s...

I would think. Why then, continue talking about belief as if it is? I've certainly never claimed that having belief is equivalent to having something ...

Trivially speaking, it's the same in that the misattribution is not what they believe. Misattributing belief to another(regardless of whether they are...

My cats know the sound of my car, as a result of drawing correlations between it and me. They believe I am home when they hear it. The sound of certai...

This makes no sense. The how part is autonomous. It requires certain biological machinery, etc. It just happens(at first anyway)... the drawing correl...

Smart phones are not the sorts of things capable of attributing meaning by virtue of drawing correlations between different directly perceptible thing...

Not seeing the relevance of "smart phones"...

Yes, and for very good reason. I'm invoking the distinction between our reports of an other's belief, and an other's belief.

Mice, trees, spatial relations between mice, trees, and the creature themselves... Believing the mouse ran behind the tree...

Here we agree.

Drawing correlations between different directly perceptible things, none of which are language use.

From the debate... Indeed it does. We may make some headway here. What would count as a misattribution of belief as compared/contrasted to correctly a...

Yeah. A simple substitution exercise shows the error of equivocation nicely.

By virtue of drawing correlations between different directly perceptible things.

Yes. Some language-less creatures are capable of attributing meaning.

That's close to what I've argued in the debate. Second post particularly. Existential dependency. However, some belief about 'the world' does not need...

Naming and descriptive practices.

Thanks for asking. As earlier, I would not invoke states of the world or states of affairs. What does wondering whether or not we could possibly repre...

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Oh, it most definitely is, but it's not the only part. He does not seem to continue wanting to have this conversation when it gets to the point that h...

Is omniscience a fashionable aim these days?

Language less belief and the content thereof. You are focusing upon irrelevancy. You?

No? Try this... States of affairs are not equivalent to whatever can potentially be stated. Falsehoods can be stated. True statements as well. States ...

Part of what makes statements true or false anyway...

Whatever else can potentially be stated? :brow: That's the same conflation between statements and events(states of affairs) that I reject from Banno.

Whoa! Either (1) is one of three different statements that we might make about events, or (1) is the event being described. It cannot be both at any t...

As earlier, I would not invoke "states of affairs". Banno's use was rejected, and rightly so.

Accident presupposes intent, purpose, reason...

Great job! Stacy Abrams should receive some type of reward for her lifetime of efforts. Remarkable. Astounding. Unbelievable.

Is that official? Did it happen?

It may be well worth setting out the agreements, or similarities between our views. I had hoped that that would take place a bit in the debate, but it...

Part of the issue between Banno and I is that he equivocates the term proposition.

Unspoken thought is not equivalent to a private language.

Drawing correlations between different things.

"That cannot be put into propositional form"... What does that have to do with the content of what's being talked about? It does not follow from the f...

Is it possible to have such experiences during death? I mean, if death was a process, could it be that these people simply did not complete the proces...

Fraud against the American people. The list is quite long.

:rofl: Yer such a smartass :rofl:

True. It is a phrase that ought be associated with the position he argues for/from. In order for the belief of a language-less creature to be an attit...

You got me? Read my final post in the debate. That's the best I could do given what Banno offered. Those were his words, not mine...

True statements made about things in the world, that evidently are capable - somehow - of existing in their entirety, of being believed to be true, an...

And it leads to ignoring that Smith was talking about himself.

Hey Sam!!! Good to 'see' you. Hope this finds you well. :smile:

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