creativesoul

Aside from the strictest of jargons... all things talked about can be interpreted in a plurality of ways... So, making a big deal about something like...

For those who are inclined to value apokrisis' participation here... S/he has charged me with not answering simple questions. S/he is mistaken about t...

Care to explain this charge of misplaced concreteness; hypostatization; reification; or conflation of abstract entities with physical ones? I know wha...

So... how do we know what Jack believes? I mean, that's what it boils down to...

You hint at the issue you've raised in past... Jack cannot tell us what he's thinking...

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The bowl on the right isn't empty. The bowl on the left isn't full. Cats do not find themselves in the position of attempting to make sense of their o...

Well... Surely by now you've seen my definition for "belief", "thought", and any/all other terms referring to mental ongoings? It is as precise as the...

I'm quite sympathetic to what you're getting at Meta. It can be summarized as follows:When there are two or more competing theories about the same thi...

Are you charging my explanations here with having logical problems? Gratuitous assertions won't do here Meta. I'm in agreement regarding whether or no...

Jack believes 'X'... Let 'X' equal "the bowl is empty". Jack cannot possibly believe that the bowl is empty unless statements are not existentially de...

It would be quite odd to say that nonlinguistic animals aren't capable of believing... unless one is forced to say so as a means of maintaining cohere...

Brilliant.

Meta, at it's core the thread is working from the notion of a non-linguistic creature believing something or other... Witt talked about belief being s...

So which one of you is going to offer a sensible and coherent explanation of how Jack is capable of believing, if i he cannot form and hold belief, ii...

The terms "thought" and "belief" are just like all the other terms which allow us to take our own mental ongoings into consideration. I've shown how i...

Gibberish. You've yet to have answered a germane question that shed light on the inherent shortcoming of your account...

So which one of you is going to offer a sensible and coherent explanation of how Jack is capable of believing, if he cannot form and hold belief, has ...

It is a mistake to equate minds and brains. A brain is necessary but insufficient for thought and belief. On my view, the mind is nothing more than th...

I personally do not find it useful to hold that belief is a brain state. States of mind(brains) are such things as certainty, disbelief, confusion, ar...

A state of confusion causes one to behave as though they're not sure what to do next.

That's part of the problem, although I do not use 'tokens'...

Computers do not form and hold belief.

Attributing a belief to an agent is not necessary for the agent to form and/or hold belief... We can be wrong in our attribution. A non-linguistic age...

JTP is more apt Banno... S knows that P if S is justified in believing P and P is true. P is a proposition. S believes a proposition. Statement in you...

Jack forms and holds belief, but not in the manner described in the common historical account(JTB) of belief. We all know this to be true. It only fol...

I do not understand what part of all this that you do not understand...

Jack's belief is not whatever we use to reasonably explain his behaviour.

We use language to explain Jack's behaviour. Language does not count as Jack's belief.

People places and things... Belief as an entity. A noun. Something to be named. Why not?

So what counts as Jack's belief? He doesn't form and hold belief.

Ok. So, what are you doing here?

Equivocation is changing the meaning of key terms in mid argument. It is a rhetorical bandaid placed upon self-contradiction.

Reification? You're saying that my talk of "holding a belief" conflates the two sides of the abstraction/concrete dichotomy, and you do this while tal...

But I'm curious now... What sort of thing is Jack's belief? Is it your statement? That doesn't seem right, does it?

Fair enough. Yeah, I dunno... I like ordinary language. Sometimes it doesn't quite have what it takes though. I don't think I'm confused. Folk don't m...

Can a creature believe without forming and/or holding belief?

Well yeah... What you've said here pretty much follows what the whole of epistemology(JTB) has held for centuries. When one holds such, s/he cannot ad...

Well, I've learned to take Banno at his word. Something tells me that if he wanted to claim that all explanations are belief, he would've said so. He ...

Banno explains Jack's behaviour. This is Banno's belief. Not Jacks. That's the issue.

If belief is an explanation, and one offers an explanation that they do not believe, then not all explanations are belief. There is no issue.

These aren't facts by my lights...

The "then" portion explains the consequences in some way, shape, or form...

It is preparing to entertain some hypothetical event, occurrence, or situation - a possible and/or potential happening that hasn't been realized... Sa...

It sets the stage for a hypothetical.

What does the word "if" do?

Is it anything more than being words used to discuss propositions?

Explain what being a hallmark of 'propositionality' entails

This person does have beliefs however... despite his/her deliberately misrepresenting them.

Well yes, assuming sincerity...