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The subject matter(what thought and belief consist in/of) is far more nuanced than this particular thread has shown. Unfortunately, it is all about be...

Historically epistemologists have held that the content of belief is propositional. This would make perfect sense in light of requiring that one justi...

Mental ongoings aren't understood as long as one talks about them in terms of "things being in the head, or some such. Jack makes meaningful connectio...

Gratuitous assertions won't do here Banno. 8-)

That's all for now... Interesting conversation, by the way. Kudos.

Jack's mental ongoings are not meaningful to Jack? Nah. If that were the case, there would be no reason to attribute anything at all to Jack aside fro...

Where is meaning in your account of Jack's belief? Is Jack's belief only meaningful to us and not him? Surely not. Eh?

Where is meaning in all of this? Is there such a thing as meaningless belief? Not on your life, my friend... nor my own.

Is that any more than a metacognitive endeavor? No, it doesn't. I concur. Why the either/or here? Those aren't the only two logical possibilities.

I think the issue is thinking that the belief is either...

Yeah. I've been critiquing the analytic notion of belief, which in turn, sheds light upon the inherent inadequacy of the analytic notion of JTB(knowle...

Indeed.

No assumptions? Really now. A metaphysics that does not contain a single assumption? Show me. By the way, "if" IS followed by an assumption.

X-) I just saw this... A gem, and something I do far too often... particularly in real life with those people who aren't so welcoming of someone quest...

And I'm the one being accused of mistaking abstraction(our meaningfully taking account of Jack's behaviour) with concreteness(Jack's behaviour)??? ;)

Agreeing with Witt on certain things doesn't count - on my view at least - as having a demonstrably strong grasp of the issues with regard to Witt. He...

So be it... Enjoi...

Here we need to draw and maintain the crucial distinction between our talking about Jack's belief and Jack's belief. The two are not one in the same t...

If we first hold that i the content of belief is propositional, or ii we do not draw and maintain the pivotal distinction between thought and belief a...

Gratuitous assertions Banno. Where's the argument? Ooops. Posted without refreshing. I'll address the last...

You can lead a horse to water...

You claimed... 1.) Beliefs are explanations for action. 2.) Beliefs are all statements. 3.) All belief(s) is(are) linguistic. I noted that if all thre...

Beliefs are explanations for action. Beliefs are all statements. All belief(s) is(are) linguistic. If all of the above is true, then Jack has no belie...

So then how do you reconcile this with your earlier claim that Jack had belief? Jack certainly does not have explanations for actions; nor does he hav...

Indeed. A bit on modality... Talking terms of necessary and contingent 'truth', where the term truth refers to a statement that is said to be true doe...

Yeah, I dunno Sam... I've just acknowledged your usage. I've already explained mine and the difference. I've already said that I've no problem setting...

Yeah. I know Sam. I reject modality. Necessity amounts to nothing more than by definitional fiat. No matter... Do we agree that propositions cannot ex...

No. When something is existentially contingent upon X, it cannot exist without X. I'd rather not bicker over this. You haven't granted my terms, which...

Good. Glad you're calm. Did I clear up the misunderstanding?

Calm down Sam. Just a simple misunderstanding. I am not using the term "contingent" in the manner of contingency/necessity. Rather, when I say that pr...

A state of mind is a picture in time, so to speak, of an otherwise ongoing process. There are mental ongoings prior to language acquisition and/or inv...

Keep in mind here that all I am doing is putting forth what it would take(as far as I can tell) for one to hold both, that belief content is propositi...

Indeed. I'm not denying that that is what Witt held. I'm denying that it should, and I've offered more than one reason for that.

I mean, Witt was brilliant in many ways involving his approach. However, he did spend an extraordinarily long period of time mulling over the notion o...

A justification happens when a speaker offers grounds for a belief statement. If the belief is well-grounded, it is justified. A justification is a me...

I think we agree, but I'd take it farther... What belief grounds such a denial? He gave the only ground necessary. He showed that he knew how to use t...

The very ability to doubt whether or not Moore's shewing of his hands prove that an external world exists is a metacognitive endeavor. Metacognition r...

Being stateable doesn't require that the believer do the stating. If the content of belief is propositional, then it only follows that it can be state...

Say for whatever reason it takes a person until they're well into adulthood prior to burning their hand in fire. Is their belief that touching the fir...

If we 'connect' this to Plato, S's being justified in believing P would be that S has an account. Accounts are existentially contingent upon language....

Yup. I'm with you there. It's the 'rules' of each game that I'm busy unpacking in order to show the consequences... Common folk don't typically navel ...

Frame of reference? In some, it most certainly does.

Yeah. That's the one I found too, but online, so wasn't sure of it's authenticity. What's to be reconciled?

Remember Sam... Posthumous publications can include things that would have otherwise been edited out by the deceased. Could you post that passage thou...

Don't think I've ever read him saying that. He worked from JTB, though... right?

Epistemology is a language-game. It arose via the need to establish what counts as knowledge(what it takes for S to know P). Folk made and still make ...

Ok Sam. Seems we're not so far apart. I mean, that's how I took Wittgenstein, and what I thought you were holding as well. The bit about Jack not bein...

A justified true belief doesn't require being accepted and/or held by anyone other than the believer at the moment of formation. The fire example. Cop...

I am using the word "know" to mean that the knower has formed well-grounded true belief. If that doesn't count as a justified true belief, then the no...