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It's not more... it's less AND more. That's what getting to the root of things goes. It provides the simplest adequate explanation for the widest scop...

You're just following the same old epistemological mistake Banno. JTP is more apt.

Then Jack has no belief, and your position is self-contradictory. It also cannot admit of belief prior to language, for descriptions are existentially...

It's all about the content of belief.

X-) Thanks Sam. I've been telling you that we're not that far apart... well, on this matter at least. ;)

Logical possibility alone doesn't warrant belief.

This doesn't follow from what I've been arguing Banno. "Jack has a belief" cannot be true if all beliefs are descriptions of behaviour, because Jack h...

One can often understand another's writing by virtue of looking at the context... the use. A nuanced understanding doesn't tend to follow common uses ...

You don't. Conviction is belief based. Expectation does not require any understanding of likelihood/probability. Correlations are drawn by agents. Bel...

There are many an agent in this world without complex written language that form and/or 'hold' thought and belief. They do so by virtue of drawing cor...

All predication is correlation. All correlation is thought and belief. Not all correlation is predication. That's how it works.

I say that it is clear that Jack has belief. Therefore, it is not the case that all belief content is propositional. The reason that that(belief conte...

If all belief consists of statements/propositions, then Jack has no belief for he has no statements/propositions. If Jack has belief, then not all bel...

No. I'm not. Gratuitous assertions won't do here Banno. I've already addressed that charge when it came from Janus. Try this... open your eyes a bit w...

One can know how to say that without knowing that... :-}

He cannot believe "that's my tooth" anymore than he can believe Paris is the capital of France. That Jack cannot state his belief does not mean that i...

That wouldn't be Jack's belief. Cannot be. Jack has no statements. That would be your report(or someone's report) of Jack's belief. It would be wrong ...

Cheers Banno... Gotta run! You too Sam! (Y)

If we can have both, an agent and a statement and do not have belief, then the criterion is found lacking... That's what.

Jack has belief. Jack has no statements. Statements are not necessary for belief.

Besides that, we can have both, agent and statement and not a belief statement...

Jack doesn't have statements.

I think we ought begin to set out - as precisely as possible - what the contents of belief are. Pre-linguistic and linguistic alike. We've been skirti...

Maybe I misunderstood you Sam. It probably wasn't worth mentioning... To me, saying that behaviours reflect belief is not the same thing as saying bel...

Our notion of belief comes after our realization that we have them... That's a much better way to look at it.

According to everything you've put forth here Banno, Jack's belief is not meaningful to him. Don't you find that problematic?

Being stateable, on my view at least, means exactly that. The agent need not be able to state it's own thought and belief in order for it's belief to ...

Correlation is what all thought and belief consist entirely of. There are no exceptions. As many times before, if we are to make sense of a distinctio...

I do agree that all beliefs are stateable. The overwhelming majority of beliefs are propositional(take the form thereof... belief statements). Where y...

Yeah, that's unusual enough to be difficult to wrap one's head around. What do you find self-contradictory? Precisely as possible, I mean...

I offered an example of belief not shown by behaviour. It's quite nuanced, as you are aware, in all of the ways that insincerity is...

I'd like to remark upon this. It goes back to what I was setting out earlier... I agree with Banno here in a very specific way. If it is the case that...

I don't know about that Banno. At least I do not think that that is always the case. While I do hold that one can correctly report upon both, another'...

I do not follow you here. What are you asking me for an example to the contrary of? We can keep it interesting, despite my absences...

So be it. Your explanation of my behaviour is equivalent to neither my belief, nor my behaviour.

Gotta run... Cheers Banno! X-)

Behavior shows belief, sometimes...

This is one of the most absurd things I've ever read. Your explanation of my belief is not equivalent to my belief. The same holds good of Jack.

Going to the food bowl is indeed meaningful to him. He has drawn a correlation between that bowl and getting fed. That is his belief. More specificall...

Your charge is incorrect. Belief isn't 'in the head'. The 'head' is necessary, but terribly insufficient.

It all goes back to analytics conflating reporting on belief with belief, due to not drawing and maintaining the crucial distinction between thought, ...

If we are to say that Jack has belief, then it must be meaningful to him. The belief as explanation leads to a reductio.

It's not Jack's belief Banno. It's your report thereof. That makes it wrong in the only way that matters here.

If you fella's and/or ladies want to draw and maintain a meaningful coherent distinction between prelinguistic and linguistic beliefs, I suggest you b...

This is a bit ridiculous. Is belief irrelevant to epistemology? I think not. The JTB notion of belief conflates between a report of belief and belief....

Well, it used to be a thread that looked to be heading in a productive general direction... I'm working on a reply to your last request to me. It may ...

As before...

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That's one way to frame it. There's more than one framework. Of course. You're maintaining consistency in your terminological usage. Coherency is a go...

Do we though? Wouldn't it be much wiser to establish what all mental ongoings are existentially dependent upon? Wouldn't it serve our interests here m...