creativesoul

People can make statements long before they can contemplate their own thought. Statements are statements of belief. Truth is presupposed. That's how "...

Now Josh... who cannot write yet... is capable of belief when belief requires thinking about one's own thought... Another example of idiot speak... Th...

Saying that one has the will and desire to learn language when s/he doesn't have a clue what language is is prima facie evidence of idiot speak.

The will and desire to learn language... X-) ...before being able to conceive of language.

So, there's a boy named Josh who is almost 4. He has just begun schooling. His parents are teaching him to be an organized person by showing him how t...

Sigh... And Meta... Does he still beat his wife?

Funny. Point there again, I missed em. Where are those subtler distinctions?

Hey Cava... Yup. Belief is traceable back to emotional states. To attribute/recognize that touching fire hurts is to attribute the pain to the behavio...

Got an argument or valid criticism?

Sigh... No I do not reject the dictionary definition. I'm telling you that you cannot validly criticize another's argument by virtue of not granting w...

An impoverished recollection of this thread.

Let the record show that Meta is assenting to the belief that one can learn the names of things without believing that things are there. One can evide...

So... Back to Jack. A different turn... "Jack" is Jack's name. "Jack" is not Banno's cat. Jack is Banno's cat. "Jack" is not Jack. "Jack's belief" is....

I suggest that you refine your use of the term "term"...

Step one... Grant the terms.

Sigh... Got an argument or valid criticism/refutation?

Evidently the term "term" refers to more than one. By my lights, not everything captured by quotation marks counts a being a term. See how this works?...

I've clarified everywhere you've asked. I said nothing wrong before your asking. Your misattribution of meaning does not count as a problem with the a...

Provide some, and make sure that these purported 'refinements' are both necessary and/or warranted. Show the flaw. You've done nothing hitherto aside ...

Your charge of inadequacy requires more than just gratuitous assertion.

That is not a suggested refinement. That's petty bullshit.

We agree that one can believe stuff and think stuff and that doing so doesn't require being framed(taken account of).

Got either an argument or a valid criticism of the ones I've been putting forth? I'm not interested in such petty bullshit.

The term "thought" can refer to either a plurality of thoughts, or a single one. It can also be used to refer to what one is doing when they are sitti...

Not my problem.

Oh, the irony... What I'm telling you is that in order to fulfill the criterion for your notion of "belief", one must think about one's own thought. D...

Agreed regarding some kinds of thought and belief, as well as some kinds of talking. However, regarding classic epistemology, one is most certainly th...

That is the distinction between thought and belief and thinking about thought and belief. Framing a belief is thinking about it, assuming we're framin...

So, back to Jack's toy... There's no reason to deny talking in terms of Jack believing that the toy is under the rug, but we must be careful to not pe...

I would only point out here that Meta is not drawing the crucial distinction between thought, belief, and thinking about thought and belief... Same pr...

Prima facie evidence that knowing how to say that isn't equivalent to knowing that...

There are no rules for chess. There are no laws of thought. There are no rules for grammar. There is no baseline(initial worldview) upon which one mak...

Nonsense that is borne out each and every day - all day long - across the globe...

Excuse me while I go look into my next door neighbors' top dresser drawers... I've lost my car keys. Or no... maybe they're in the dish of brussels' s...

Step 1. Grant the terms... Sam, if you remember pages ago, I warned of the above when it comes to Meta... S/he has shown a historical propensity for a...

Putting correlations on display... and not believing them. It's an odd thing.

Janus also mentioned earlier about the beliefs that are formed and 'held' during the timeframe between having no language and the ability to talk abou...

So, the child has lost it's toy. S/he looks here and there. S/he obviously looks where s/he believes it will be found and no place where s/he does not...

I'm not interested in quibbling over the differences between uses of "thought" and "belief". There are often times that those words mean different thi...

One cannot be thinking without drawing correlations... nor believing... nor doubting... nor imagining... One can be considering while suspending one's...

A subject and a statement do not suffice, as I've already argued for without subsequent refutation. Not all behaviour shows the belief of the agent be...

One can know how to say that without knowing that. Let that be a statement. It only follows that knowing that is not always reducible to knowing how t...

And yet ALL doubt is belief based. Therefore, until one holds some belief doubting is itself humanly impossible. Until one has a baseline of belief up...

Cuthbert and Banno point to something important. I've hinted at it. Jack cannot speak. He cannot tell us what he believes. We infer that he does. What...

The content of belief... He didn't figure it out. His use of "hinge proposition" shows that. I've been called arrogant more times than I care to count...

Oh... and if shifting your weight to your back foot is a defensive posture, there's no need my friend. I'm not attacking you. I'm focusing upon the co...

He never balked at belief.

He would and most notably did argue against the notion of intention as well. Just so ya know. You invoked it earlier.

Witt didn't quite figure it out either... but he was well on his way.