creativesoul

QM interpretations are fodder.

Doesn't the argument set that out? :wink:

It does not follow from the fact that we cannot definitively know the causal sequence of events that there is no causal sequence of events.

This argument presupposes an external world in p4, or at least it could be argued that it does. So... It's interesting to me on several different leve...

Well, not quite actually... Although my position - and this argument - situates the presupposition of correspondence within thought and belief formati...

Well, actually yeah to some extent. However, there's still much work to be done in terms of setting out the content of correlations. Progress is comin...

I was going to show the inherent inadequacy of "arbitrary" when defined as you have, but it's no matter now. Banno wants the thread back on track. I'l...

Nothing wrong with that.

God got in Kant's way... Heiddy got in his own way... Neither had a good grasp upon human thought and belief.

Doesn't seem very arbitrary to me. Clearly there are different accepted usages for the term "arbitrary", and not all place adequate value upon our own...

Thanks. And a worldview(a collection of one's own thought and belief about themselves and the world)?

I would be more than willing to offer a separate argument/reasoning for all of the premisses(1,2,4,6,9)...

I'm just curious... you and litewave are talking about a subject that underwrote our discussion as well... What's the difference between arbitrary and...

What are the contents of this purported correlation? What things are being connected, correlated, and/or associated with each other? Do you have an ex...

Knowledge of the changes in behaviour after introducing the bell. Knowledge of the physiological make-up of the animal. Knowledge of what the attribut...

That question has been answered more than once.

Do you have an example of meaning that does not consist of a plurality of different things and a creature capable of drawing correlations, connections...

And I'm accused of anthropomorphism?

Outstretched leaves of the rainforest undergrowth and sunlight.

Some thing eliciting a response from a creature does not equate to that thing being meaningful to the creature. Venus Flytrap and an insect on it's in...

Unpack this... What is "it" referring to...

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How does it become so?

Oh good! We agree then? The sound of the bell is meaningful/significant to the dog?

Involuntary salivation and heading towards the food bowl is more than adequate evidence that the bell is meaningful/significant to the dog. What's the...

Are you actually denying that the sound of the bell is meaningful/significant to Pavlov's dog?

This coming from someone who has yet to have offered a valid refutation to the argument on any level.

Pots and kettles...

Your rhetoric is boring. What counts as "superfluous and anthropocentric"?

By knowing what all examples of meaning are existentially dependent upon(what they all consist of) and the subsequent judicious application of that kn...

I can see the conversation getting too loose... Before long we will need to draw and maintain the distinction between some and all...

This presupposes that a creature can draw correlations, connections, and/or associations between things that have yet to have been perceived, sensed, ...

Sure. Glad you asked. Do you have an example of meaning that does not consist of a plurality of different things and a creature capable of drawing cor...

All meaning is attributed. All attribution of meaning requires a plurality of things and a creature capable of drawing a correlation, connection, and/...

Yes, sensation is part of meaningful experience. No. In and of itself, sensation is utterly meaningless. Venus Flytrap.

No. Meaning is not existentially dependent upon language. Nor is sensation. Sensation is a necessary elemental constituent of both meaning and languag...

Do you draw this distinction between sensation and experience?

All experience, on my view, must be meaningful to the creature. I do not conflate sensation with experience. Rather, the latter consists, in part at l...

All meaning requires a plurality of things and a creature capable of making connections between them. So, it is clear that existence precedes meaning,...

That's still false.

This bears repeating...

You weren't leaving aside the question of whether or not experiences are meaningful when you first asked me what was being interpreted if not for thos...

I'd love to have an audience capable of allowing that to take place. You'd be a great participant in such a situation.

Sensation... Is it existentially dependent upon language? I would argue in the negative.

You weren't leaving aside the question of whether or not experiences are meaningful when you first asked me what was being interpreted if not for thos...

That's false.

Well, we could always compare/contrast our respective conceptions of "sensation"... Something tells me that none of you will.

Your questions were based upon your framework(your notion of "sensation" to be exact). Your framework is different than mine. That's a problem all by ...

The quality of the question plays a significant role too, right?