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Your confidence does not exist independently of your thought/belief.

Are you uncertain, certain, or neither? Which of these is not emotional?

This notion of not being able to be certain about anything at all, including our own thought/belief... Where did it come from?

No. As before, the emotional content is not always a part of 'expressed' correlation except that there is - at the very least - fear and/or contentmen...

No.

Well, on my view that's not always easy because there is always an emotional element somewhere within thought/belief. Emotion is not always part of th...

No it's not. The idealist's claim is thought/belief based. Thought/belief requires an external world. The idealist employs a misconception of thought/...

I think that there is some conflation going on. One doesn't feel like a spouse is being unfaithful. One thinks/believe it. The feeling would be despai...

Yeah... I would certainly question the basis/ground of the above. First of all, our imagination is effected/affected by language. Secondly, a piano co...

Thanks. Your bit in the PI reading thread is appreciated. I'm hesitant on joining in just yet. I've yet to look for and find my copy of the PI(Anscomb...

This is good. The 'bottom' of our mind/belief. Witt's questions are apt for showing that belief about existence is not primary/foundational.

My drakes and hens have physiological sensory perception. They have innate fear and hunger. They have the sense of familiarity. They have drawn correl...

There is a limit to what can be explicitly said about pre and/or non-lingual thought/belief. That limit is determined by the pre-lingual creatures' ca...

My pointing is not independent of words. What I'm pointing at is. Thought/belief that consists of correlations drawn between different things, none of...

This points to some important considerations... The fact that meaning transcends individual people via language use. The fact that thought/belief begi...

Looks like the OP is chock full of reference/ground that is highly questionable. When perception is said to be informed by language... the result is a...

Is thinking musically meaningless? All attribution of meaning consists of something to become sign/symbol, something to become significant/symbolized,...

Can one think musically without language? I would argue that one cannot. All language consists of correlations.

:gasp: What's going on in your mind when you think musically?

Hmmm... after a re-read, it seems I missed a bit of opportunity. You'll have that when hyper focusing upon making an argument, point, or setting out a...

Been great. See ya next time! Cheers!!!

I've issues with phenomenological jargon.

Meaning emerges within thought/belief formation. Shared meaning is the birth of language.

Shared...

Sure... we're adding meaning to this space, if by "this space" you mean the space shared between us.

Of course... our world is chock full of thinking about complex thought/belief replete with correlational content including language.

Not everything has something essential that makes it what it is aside from our calling it whatever we call it. As if a space of meanings is the sort o...

Pre-lingual thought/belief must as well, otherwise there would be no such thing as thinking about one's own thought/belief.

Allow me to ease the concerns... I'm not invoking Kant. Mt. Everest... Existed in it's entirety prior to our awareness and/or account of it.

That which exists in it's entirety prior to our awareness and/or knowledge of it's existence...

Remember that distinction between thought/belief and thinking about thought/belief?

Good!

Do you follow me?

Language/World??? Never considered it. I could name a few dichotomies than are inherently useless for taking proper account of that which is both... a...

That is where perception does not require being informed by language. The content of a language less creature's thought/belief must be perceptible to ...

Do not conflate our report with what we're reporting upon. The latter is pre-lingual thought/belief and as such it is not existentially dependent upon...

The content of correlation is sometimes easier to ascertain than others.

So much the worse for it... Sentences are existentially dependent upon written language. Written language:Spoken language. Spoken language:Pre-lingual...

Do you not see the unveiling?

Shared meaning. A plurality of creatures drawing the same(or similar enough) correlations between (the same or similar enough)different things. That i...

All attribution of meaning is existentially dependent upon something to become sign/symbol, something to become significant/symbolized, and a creature...

Consisting of language or shared meaning is not acceptable, for pre-lingual thought/belief if there is such a thing, cannot consist of either. Proposi...

We're discussing whether or not it is possible to acquire knowledge of pre-lingual thought/belief. I suggested a method of approach earlier. That meth...

Sure... Gimme a minute or two, I'm making some Peet's decaf! :wink:

Which one? Could you quote me? I'll gladly elucidate wherever necessary as best I can.

Not following this... :worry:

Nah. Don't give up on the idea of getting it right yet. Draw and maintain the aforementioned distinction between thought/belief and thinking about tho...

So, we agree that we can get some knowledge of pre-lingual thought/belief. That's good. Is there any good reason to hold that we cannot acquire knowle...

Yeah, I kinda got the feeling that you had such a position... What does being pre-lingual have to do with our knowledge of it, or rather the capabilit...

Strong agreement here as well...