creativesoul

Well... you are conversing with me, ya know? I tend to stand upon the shoulders of many. No one was completely wrong. No one was completely right. I'm...

If the entity being successfully picked out, pointed to, and/or otherwise referred to by the name "Santa Claus" does not count as the referent of the ...

I already have. The notion of "empty referent" carries along with it a definition that conflicts with actual events. All names are proxies for that wh...

links prove nothing

A name is a proxy for that which has been named. That which has been named can then be referred to by name use. The name refers to the referent. It's ...

No differently than I already have. Re-read it if you want to lessen the confusion. It's more than adequate. The lid is off. Fly out.

Assuming? That's a conclusion based upon actual events, and true claims about them.

I could find an article on the flat earth society too... doesn't mean it's worth assenting to.

They all refer to their own respective imaginary entities. The entity is the referent, the same way the as entities that are not imaginary are the ref...

What are you talking about? How many more ways can it be shown that those names are chock full of meaning for any and everyone who knows how to use th...

I agree. None of that is a problem.

The referent is the entity picked out of this world by the name "Harry Potter". That entity is an imaginary one. It is no less of an entity. It is no ...

The picture refers to Harry Potter. You asked me what's the referent for "Harry Potter"? I answered you. It's not mysterious.

I find the imaginary entity of an "empty name" much more problematic. It's a bottle. Make your way out.

Surely, you've seen pictures of Harry Potter.

Pictures refer... Well. Strictly speaking that's not true. Pictures can be used as a means. Santa Claus It's a picture of the referent. There it is. T...

"It is raining" is one of many appropriate expressions to use when water is falling from the sky. Elegant. "It is raining" means that there is water f...

"Santa Claus" is name of an imaginary entity. The referent of "Santa Claus" is an imaginary entity. The referent is the entity. "Santa Claus" picks it...

So "Santa c What's being described again? Are imaginary entities somehow not entities?

Are you actually claiming that "Santa Claus" has no referent? I'm asking you to explain to me what is meant by "empty name"... I'm asking you to given...

This is an example of an empty name? Empty of what?

I would caution against such inventions(the notion of an empty name) being used as justificatory ground for much anything at all. Set this out.

Example?

If we're talking about a toddler who is first learning how to do things with and/or use words, that quote above could not possibly be the content of s...

Well, it depends upon one's terminological framework. I see no reason to hold otherwise. The referent is the thing picked out to the exclusion of all ...

Personally, and I think that Kripke would agree, there is no reason to believe that pointing and/or showing another something is capable of successful...

The referent is the entity.

Let's revisit this in light of earlier revelations... Some cases of successful reference include descriptive practices without using names. "The man w...

Naming practices identify referents. Not all identification depends upon description. Description is not necessary for naming, identification, success...

What sense can then be made of the broad brushed claim that successfully picking a unique individual out of this world to the exclusion of all others ...

They are not equal here. Let's compare this bit to the last and see what comes of it... Descriptive practices are not necessary for all cases of succe...

The point is that it successfully refers in this world. It only follows then that either it is capable of successfully referring in some possible worl...

Hmmm... Seems to be equal thus far... Can either 1.) or 2.) be done by a language user that has never used the other? In other words, can someone who ...

Do we actually do this? Yes, we do. Does it successfully pick out an individual to the exclusion of all others? Yes. It does. Can it be done? It is, t...

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Do we actually do this? Yes, we do. Does it successfully pick out an individual to the exclusion of all others? Yes. It does. Can it be done? It is, t...

That's a brilliant phrase.

This post begins working through the idea that we successfully refer in one of six different ways. We can do this by 1.)using naming practices without...

You misunderstand. Kripke is clear at the very beginning of the lectures. If you do not work from what he actually claims, then you're not talking abo...

That's not my understanding at all actually. Stipulation is key to Kripke. Kripke says that when we are talking about possible world and/or counterfac...

I think that I've 'discovered' an approach that may prove useful. I'm still working out the details. It seems to me that there are six different ways ...

What do you mean? What else could we possible use as a standard, as ground, upon which to build our position, if not for how we do it in this world? T...

How else would you suggest that we answer the question:Is 'X' capable of picking an individual out to the exclusion of all others? Let 'X' be the lang...

That determination of sufficiency for picking out Nixon in an alternate world scenario is always and only established by whether or not the actual lan...

The contentious issue hereabouts seems to be not that we can and do pick an individual out to the exclusion of all others, but rather it seems to be m...

Equivocation of the term "necessarily"? Let's see... The first use joins two variables with unknown value. The second does not. Yep.

I did, and I don't. I'm going back to re-read some stuff in N&N. Trying to catch up to Banno. Kripke's arguments at least follow from what he said. Yo...

Goddamn.. See where paraconsistency leads when applied where it doesn't fucking belong?

If this would make any fucking sense at all, it would have been followed by an objection to something I said. It wasn't. :roll:

"Some" country is not a class of countries. Being a country that borders Greece is the only necessary and sufficient condition that need be met in ord...