creativesoul

Prior to writing "I'm sitting here on my couch" you sat down. The statement corresponds to what happened. If you had not sat down, you could not be si...

It doesn't matter anyway S. Facts are states of affairs. If you want a complete definition, they would be what has happened and/or what is happening. ...

You sat prior to writing...

Your lack of understanding does not make my position contradictory. It makes yours untenable... unknowingly.

It had already happened by the time you wrote what you did.

That you cannot recognize the inherent untenability of that is not my problem.

On my view being subjective is being existentially dependent upon thought/belief. Whereas being objective is not. Agree?

Yeah well, I'm assuming that you're capable of more than making derogatory statements about an interlocutor. I certainly am. I cannot understand what ...

Gratuitous assertions won't do... Facts are what has happened. There's nothing contradictory about that.

Fer Pete's sake... Define your terms. Different folk use different definitions. I want to avoid all the problems arising from that.

When were the goalposts established? I'm looking forward to ignoring S, and seeing what you've got to say about morality... I've offered quite a bit o...

Define both objective and subjective...

It does not follow from the fact that you cannot recognize the relevance that there is none...

Perhaps... All I was getting at was that carne asada consists - in part - of beef, just as morality consists - in part - of belief. Personally I try t...

Much of this thread is yet another example of how getting thought/belief wrong to start with leads to inherently emaciated positions, approaches, and ...

The objective/subjective dichotomy is inherently incapable of taking account of that which consists of both and is thus neither. Morality is one such ...

The above can be simplified... ...getting truth and falsity from moral statements... ...becomes.. ...what best suits you or I or him or her, rather th...

:roll: The astute reader will note the conflation of truth and belief here. That is exactly what I charged moral relativism with. That charge is exact...

Beef is not carne asada, by the way... :wink:

Perhaps... Do you at least agree that morality consists of belief(at least in part).

Morality consists of belief about acceptable/unacceptable behaviour. How can it not have anything to do with belief? That would be to say that carne a...

Go on...

X is immoral relative to A's belief. If being moral/immoral is determined solely by one's belief, then A's belief could not be false. But... A's belie...

Do you not see the issues I just raised?

Nah. I don't operate like that. I'm taking what is being claimed and examining it.

So we've arrived at X is immoral relative to A's belief, and A's belief can be false.

"X is immoral" is not equivalent to "X is immoral relative to A". You've answered how the second could be false. The first? Answer? On your view, beca...

You sure about that?

"X is immoral relative to person A's moral belief" is false if person A believes X is moral. "X is immoral" is false if...

Just answer the question.

So then, what would make "X is immoral" false?

I already agreed to that. Move on... Can A's belief be false?

I asked if you hold that "X is immoral" can be true/false. I didn't ask if someone else did. I didn't ask if you knew the name of a philosophical scho...

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Are you a moral objectivist?

Do you or do you not hold that "X is immoral" can be true/false? It's a simple question. Clearly you hold that "X is immoral relative to A" can be, as...

Again, I do not see what's so funny. You're making yourself look bad. Do you not see?

"X is immoral" is about X. "X is immoral relative to A" is about A's moral belief.

Can "X is immoral" be true/false?

The irony.

Yes there is! It is just further qualified as being "relative to person A". All you've done is note that different people have different moral belief....

Ah we'll get there... Add something.

It's a yes or no question, that I would like to read. Care to answer it?

My problem is that you do not seem to understand that "X is wrong(immoral)" is a statement of moral belief, regardless of one's moral philosophy. In a...

Are you claiming that "X is immoral" can be true/false as a result of agreeing with a person's moral belief?

I reject the objective/subjective distinction for reasons given. Other than that, we're in agreement here. Moving on...

We are talking about morality. Thus, it should be obvious that when someone says "X is wrong", the sense of the term wrong is a moral one... equivalen...

All you've done is overstate the case regarding the fact that different people have different moral belief. So what? Yes, person A holds that behaviou...

@"S" You've neglected to answer relevant objections. You've neglected to answer relevant questions. And you've made it a habit here in this thread to ...