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Are you aware that you've been talking in prescriptive terms whereas I'm talking in descriptive. Two very different methodologies...

But I'm neither drawing that distinction nor talking about it. The distinction is between considering behaviour towards another and considering one's ...

Good questions to ask oneself of everyone and anyone who we chose to come into contact with. Great question to ask a paid professional. All profession...

I meant that it always take's another worldview to take on another way to look at the same things. Another worldview always takes another person. That...

I would concur. Good point on the matter of dilation as well.

That's not what the story is about.

Who and/or what determines the moral of the story? The community of language users who first imagined the fox in a human situation and recorded the st...

You said that there were two. There are two(on your interpretation).

I'm not ignoring the explanations and/or entailments that you've just offered. It's just not time for that yet. I hope you'll be around for that too. ...

Good. You agree that there is at least one moral to the story. That's all I'm saying here. That moral, while being existentially dependent upon others...

Exactly. Glad someone else was also paying attention.

Ever heard of time dilation?

Ah. You're learning... almost. Thinking/believing is the act. Meaning is the result.

Incoherence anyone?

Well, we differ here and we agree. I've found this conversation to be quite interesting. It's nice having you around as well. Dissenting opinions are ...

Seems to be of utmost importance to me(by my lights). If we claim that all things moral are about considering behaviour towards others, then we're mis...

Just to be clear here... Do you realize that I'm not offering moral judgment here? Calling it "the moral of the story" does not require my approval/di...

How's my existential quantification coming along?

Interpretation is always of something already meaningful. All interpretation is the attribution of meaning. Not all attribution of meaning is interpre...

I agree with this. The fable belongs to the community of language users which first conceived it and all those who continue it's use via reporting upo...

What determines whether or not The Fox and the Grapes has the lesson that it has been said to have since it's very inception? That lesson is called "t...

Do you not think/believe that there are many self-perpetuated problems, all of which are a result of people becoming bewitched by certain language use...

That's just not true. Not all premisses are on equal footing. Not all are groundless.

We talk about smashing things into pieces that are able to be smashed into pieces. Moral things aren't such things. Moral things do indeed consist of ...

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There are some historical methods that are useless for taking proper account of that which existed in it's entirety prior to our account. There are so...

I want you to follow me here. I'll come back to this later if need be. There's another underlying crucial matter. We need to bring it more into the fo...

Paine was an aside... I'm not even sure of his Ethics or if he had any. When I was reading him, it was all about motivation and attitude about the rol...

If the nominalist is coherent/consistent, then s/he cannot even talk about this sentence for it would have changed and would be another one as a resul...

Willow makes a relevant point. Ask the nominalist to account for shared meaning. Shared meaning is required for language use, particularly for picking...

I wouldn't go that far.

This is something I find hilarious! Not so much what they meant at the end... bit what it now means... :smile:

I like the aesthetic feel of this... I want to attempt a translation in my own terms. Hopefully it will be as well received as the last.

I don't know about all of that. Just a few examples of morals.

I didn't say we were doing anything right. Even if we aren't. :rofl: I wanted to comment on this... If we equate being rational to being consciously t...

I love it. Thanks for the challenges! I'll think on that.

Here are Aesop's fables. Stories with moral lessons. Lessons about thought, belief, and/or behaviour...

Roughly... A motivational speaker often accredited with being very influencial in both the American and French Revolutions. A rabble-rouser... Google ...

Alternatively... Did you miss that part? I'll grant this for no other reason than it doesn't matter. We're not deliberating - yet - which moral though...

I thought everyone had read Aesop's fables... My naivety rears it's head once again. Don't you have similar moral lessons in your worldview?

No, it's not pretend... It's the groundwork upon which a teacher can plant the seeds of practical thought. How to get what one could not first attain/...

I think they do. Rudimentary level pre-linguistic thought/belief aren't sufficient. Having morals requires understanding them to some - at a minimum -...

There are many who pretend to despise and belittle that which is beyond their reach.

And it can be 'validated', so to speak... in conventional layperson/psychological terms. There is plenty of evidence to verify/falsify the claim.

You may find this interesting, or you may not. The written word alone cannot tell me - yet - about the amount of sincerity and/or actual interest you ...

I want to return to the discussion when it pertained to the distinction between moral thought/belief and ethical thought/belief. We were not finished ...

I asked because I've already been using it throughout. Universal claims, while being prone to reductio, are nonetheless the strongest possible justifi...

Pre-linguistic thought/belief must exist in such a way that it is able to evolve into linguistic thought/belief. Agree? If so... we're done talking ab...

You primed?

We just covered it. The complexity of thought/belief at the rudimentary, basic, and/or foundational level must evolve in terms amenable to evolution. ...