creativesoul

You still open to the idea of existential quantification?

Certainly. But, let us not make the mistake of putting the cart before the horse, or counting chooks before they hatch. We'll have all the time in the...

So... Pretty important to know what thought/belief consists in and/or of. Changing terms changes meaning. Changing the terms one uses to recollect eve...

Read about CBT... Closely and carefully. Pay attention to what they focus upon changing regarding the patient... Thought and/or belief... That's the o...

Read a little closer... more carefully perhaps. Do you see the similarity between what CBT is doing and the position that I've been arguing for as lon...

It's all about coming to better(more acceptable) terms about the same things(memories, traumas, events). Check out the efficacy of thought/belief! :wi...

It always takes an other. That's all I'm saying my friend. Always. In isolation there is no possibility of recognizing one's own mistakes in thought/b...

I would agree. Like thought/belief, there are different 'levels' of evolutionary complexity.

To be clear... This entire project - the setting out of the origen of all morals - must be approached from a method lacking moral value judgment. This...

To those who think/believe in self-therapy??? Can't be done. Cannot see your own shortcomings/flaws/mistakes in thought/belief. Takes an other. As csa...

Yes. I read through the resilience part, and those descriptions are pretty accurate, although in my case at least there were several other factors I t...

The symptoms of smoking... parents smoked... grandparents smoked... Sexual promiscuity... well, I am easy on the eyes, I suppose. Couple that with mor...

We're moving in that direction already! :wink:

All thought/belief consist entirely of correlations drawn between different things. All thought/belief are meaningful to the thinking/believing creatu...

Philosophy has been relegated as "dead" as a result of specialization and all of the irresolvable seemingly astoundingly ridiculous things that philos...

You're running different issues together. I work from a criterion for thought/belief which is universal. There are no examples to the contrary. As far...

Unshakable certainty(conviction) in one's own thought/belief is not always 'a bad thing'. It is certainly not enough for one to be a sociopath. All so...

The Fox and the Grapes is a story that teaches a moral lesson. You're quibbling over criterion. You've made a universal claim about what counts as "mo...

So you're ok with the idea that there can be thinking/believing without thought/belief? Are you just objecting to my use of "having" thought/belief? I...

We aught get back to the distinction between ethical thought/belief and adopted pre-reflective.

Yeah yeah yeah... :yum: Before you know it, you'll be on board...

Some morals are the results of lessons. You know, the moral of the story... The Fox and the Grapes is not about behaviour towards others. There are al...

So, which is it?

The toughest part of using thought/belief - as a foundational criterion - is being able to effectively account for all the different ones by virtue of...

Indeed. :blush:

Cheers. :cool:

Although it does not yet seem germane, it may become so later. Just to be clear, on my view a thought/belief is justified if it is well grounded. Bein...

Yes. It seems so. If I could buy you a drink, I would.

We're talking about the source/origen of morals. The discourse has moved to talk about morals in terms of moral thought/belief and what counts as that...

I'll get back to where we were momentarily...

One cannot think about trees unless one has language? :worry:

I thought that the conversation was getting to the point where we were drawing a distinction between the different complexity levels that moral though...

Having and/or holding thoughts differs from forming them. I'm loose with language in that regard.

Linguistic competency is not existentially dependent upon human thought/belief. That is the consequence of what you're putting forth. Reductio Ad Absu...

The Fox and the Grapes... A moral lesson? Not by your standard of "moral"... And yet, it is.

Are you saying that one cannot have thought/belief that is concerned with behaviour towards others until and/or unless s/he has begun language acquisi...

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So one does not have moral thought, belief, or feelings until they are able to think in those terms? Nah, that can't be what you mean. Certainly one c...

All moral things share a common core of different elements. Moral feelings are those about acceptable/unacceptable behaviour. Moral thought... the sam...

Some. Some Some moral feelings are informed by language. Some moral beliefs are informed by language. Moral feelings and moral beliefs need further pa...

Some.

Poetic philosophy tends towards equivocation and/or multiplying unnecessary entities.

Certainly. Our moral feelings are informed by language use. A proper account would need to be able to parse these out, wouldn't you agree?

Cool. Don't feel sorry for me though. I'm good. More than good. I actually laughed at my score because I didn't think my life was all that bad. Still ...

What was your score again?

I would not disagree with that. If we are to take account of moral thought/belief in a manner that is amenable to evolution, it must be that way. Our ...

I'm going to agree with Banno here. The subject/object distinction is fraught. It's a bottle because when one attempts to take account of all things b...

Certainly. I argue for universally shared(common to everyone) thought/belief about exactly that. No one likes being harmed by another. That is thought...

Not all pain is unethical. Nor is all pain harmful.