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Because coherency(lack of equivocation and/or self-contradiction) matters, and you've already claimed the following... You're conflating belief and tr...

The cup is on the table. Someone says "the cup is on the table". Person A... Squirming...

The cup is on the table. Person A judges that false. Person B judges that true. According to you, both are mistaken. You're conflating truth and belie...

All talk about information being within cells, rna, dna, etc. dubiously presupposes meaning where there is no creature/agent capable of drawing correl...

There is much to be said about learning how to use language. I'm not talking about the average ordinary just talking about what's on your mind. Rather...

Easier than I thought... Push hard enough on the notion of information and a conflation between causality and meaning takes place...

Terrapin's view neglects the actual distinction between thought/belief and thinking about thought/belief. He also adopts the conventional conflation b...

Indeed, and in a very specific way. The presupposition of truth(correspondence), the attribution of meaning, and thought/belief are irrevocably entwin...

Never said it did, nor need I. You'll have to do better than this Terrapin. I'm not going to assent to what you're asserting. It's wrong on several le...

Truth is not judgment. That's where you arrived. That's not my problem. "We" is the wrong pronoun to use here. I reject the position you argue for/fro...

That overstates the case. Some knowing does. Knowing that fire causes pain does not. Knowing that it is feeding time doesn't require some sort of rule...

Communication of information- as Banno implied earlier - has the same meaning on both ends. Communication of information is shared meaning. It's what ...

Some linguistic meaning, that is... Witt began pursuing this vein. Enlarging the scope of observation to include not only the vocalization and/or writ...

I don't think about that which exists in it's entirety prior to our account of it in such terms.

Linguistic meaning includes it's expression(how the language is used). There is no separation without loss. While the attribution of meaning can happe...

Sure. Good luck. Be safe and well. :smile:

Correspondence isn't.

Cool, I think. So belief does not require thinking about truth conditions/relations, whereas judgment does? Judging that this or that is true results ...

No, and that's precisely the problem with such talk. Yup. People talk like that all the time... as if the file is equivalent to information and can be...

It would seem so.

What sort of things can be moved? How about all of the things that have a spatiotemporal location?

All reports/accounts, including but not limited to those of thought, are propositional. Better? :wink:

All reports/accounts of thought are propositional. That is, all thinking about thought is propositional. Not all thought is thinking about thought. Th...

Yes. On a strictly individual - not shared - level. I forgot about that.

Nothing I would object to there... the direction of fit bit isn't understood rightly by me, I suspect. There's also a difference between a proposition...

Depression has a solution... one solution. It requires coming to different acceptable terms about what's happened and/or is happening. There are many ...

A judgment about the relation between meaning and something else is the difference between P's being true and P's being called "true"? This judgment(c...

Think on that for a minute... Perhaps the writings you made while under the influence of hallucinatory substances do not make sense now because they d...

And what is the difference between P's being true and P's being called "true"? Talk about "P is true for S" conflates truth and belief. It also looks ...

Unless you are somehow personally vested in using the language that you do, what stops you from pursuing different frameworks? This is the place where...

I do not have this all figured out yet. You are and have been helping for some time now. We help each other, ya know? What you said early on here abou...

The above is the warning against and the subsequent discarding of the terminology I put to to use for a purported fear of possibility of anthropomorph...

Anthropomorphism. You warned against it. Discarded my terminology out of the expressed possibility of being guilty of it. Then you began doing it.

That's quite right at times...

This where the first disagreement began. The expressed concern regarding anthropomorphism rings quite hollow now, given that it is the reason you offe...

Nada. The issue is a conflation of proposition and belief borne of an inadequate notion/conception/definition of thought/belief that is hard at work b...

You have not addressed that and you know it Janus...

There's the basic outline. This is a good start to acquiring knowledge regarding the content of pre-linguistic thought/belief. Thought/belief, includi...

Blather. Rhetoric. Care to address what I've written?

You cannot take adequate account of what pre-linguistic thought/belief is because the framework doesn't allow it. The terminology you're using tend to...

Care to address what I wrote? :brow: I'm saying that such talk is unacceptable. There are better ways to acquire knowledge of what all thought/belief ...

Not all writing leads to such knowledge.

We're both aware of our own fallibility. Cheers! Regardless of how we got here, or how many times we've failed prior to, we are here! There's the basi...

I'm just curious... Could you be wrong about this?

What makes you think/believe that we cannot represent non linguistic thought/belief symbolically? :brow:

Are you claiming that we cannot know what the content of non linguistic thought/belief is because those creatures do not have language?

And when that begins but goes unnoticed?

I'm not claiming that pre-linguistic thought/belief is non-symbolic. Such a thought/belief would be meaningless to the creature, and being meaningful ...

Do you have an argument for that? As it stands, it's a gratuitous assertion. I've been setting out the content. It has already been determined.

I want to see your response to the above.