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This is just wrong on so many levels... I've already argued for an earlier premiss. You've a habit of calling premisses assumptions. I could argue for...

I would not disagree with any of that; the complexity of the correlations.

That's a mischaracterization my friend. Thought/belief is not the sort of thing that wants. I would disagree with tim wood regarding that quote as wel...

We're in agreement.

Not phenomenology...

Case closed.

We can certainly draw and maintain a meaningful distinction between non linguistic thought/belief and linguistic. That distinction is between two thin...

Ok. Agreed. We differ here. Correlation is the only process by which we attribute meaning. I suspect there's an equivocation of the term "correlation"...

All concepts are creature dependent.

You're preaching to the choir Luke. I'm not conflating information and meaning. Information is not meaning. I'm arguing that divorcing information fro...

Indeed. That time has long since passed. A paradigm shift is long overdue. The problem is very deep. Academia hasn't gotten thought/belief right. Cons...

You listed some of each. That's not what I was asking for. I'm asking for the difference between what we call "phenomenal concepts" and what are not c...

Make meaning to that which cannot attribute it for itself? That sounds off. The talk of correlations is more than fitting if pursued diligently.

What is the difference between those and that which does not count as being those? We can certainly draw and maintain a meaningful distinction between...

Syntax and semantics??? Both are already meaningful. Semantics is the study of meaning. Syntax is the accepted arrangement of words to make well forme...

We all did, I'm sure. Are you proposing that information is not always already meaningful? You mentioned Austin earlier. Could you explain that connec...

This conflates existential dependency and meaning. Existential dependency is causal. Meaning is attributed. So, the conflation between causality and m...

All meaning is attributed. All attribution of meaning requires something to become sign/symbol, something to become significant/symbolized, and a crea...

Look harder. The argument was made early on prior to your entry.

That's not a conflation Luke, and you know it. Information is meaningful. The parenthetic content you quoted was simply a reminder of that. In order t...

Guess you've no argument or valid objection... Last try... Gratuitous assertions won't do.

I mean that and the argument that preceded it.

I take that as a "No". Gratuitous assertions won't do. Show the purported conflation.

Indeed. It's what already happened, and/or is happening that makes the statement(which is about those events) true. Tarski shows this well.

So the conformity of cognition to it's object. Like Saran Wrap? I'm trying to wrap my mind around this... :meh:

It would follow from the first formulation that no creature lacking the faculty of judgment could have true cognitions, or they could if the aforement...

And so what makes a proposition, statement, and/or conception true(fact)?

I read it. I'm disputing it. Care to address the rest?

"SLAB!"(language use), slabs, and other things are the content of correlation, which - if a plurality of capable creatures draw correlations between t...

I've seen it claimed. I've seen agreement. What I have not seen is a coherent explanation of exactly how information - which is already meaningful, le...

That's not an assumption. It's a conclusion.

True statements, true propositions, and true conceptions... If these are all to be called "facts", then what do we call the false ones? Clearly, becau...

Reports of that which has happened and/or is happening(events) are in propositional form. Facts are what's happened and/or is happening(events).

Facts cannot be false, all three things you mentioned can.

Please do. Spell it all out. A true one?

:brow: Those aren't the only senses... Verbal statements can be false. Propositions can be false. Conceptions can be false. Facts cannot.

QED

Not all meaning. Linguistic meaning... as it pertains to logic... sure.

Are we drawing a distinction between what my report is existentially dependent upon and what I'm reporting upon? If facts are true propositions/statem...

There's much to be said about having eyes for one person. The level of intimacy is unparalleled. The depth of love unmatched. All of the pages of the ...

:smile: Thanks. Interesting subject matter.

As if information need be equivalent to meaning or knowledge in order for both to be germane to the OP? Meh.

Language cannot move anything. Language has no agency. No physical structure to exert upon that which is being moved. Language can move everything in ...

Those are not mutually exclusive options... are they? It can be about all those things and more.

Still like to see this debated... Anyone? :brow:

It's about information, meaning, and knowledge... and doing stuff with language that cannot be adequately accounted for by saying that language moves ...

Indeed. That's the first thing that came to my mind, or words to that effect/affect...

:lol:

That bit about "the multi-dimensional aspect" points in the right direction.

Got an argument, or perhaps minimal criterion for correlation(what all correlation is existentially dependent upon)?