creativesoul

Bullshit. The narrative in question was all narrative.

As if all religion is existentially dependent upon a fairly recent philosophical practice we've named metaphysics? Nah.

Assertion, not argument.

Ya think? How do you know without knowing what "the basic level" includes?

Nah. It did not begin by thinking about thinking practices as subject matters in their own right.

I didn't see that. Nonsense. "Behind" is the term used to denote, stipulate, and/or otherwise point out one spatiotemporal location(or set thereof) ba...

By pointing out that it is based upon impossible scenario. If such a scenario should ever arise, there's much better ethical considerations to be had ...

That's a sharper example which makes good segue into broader understanding... If that particular ignorance of causality is combined with strong convic...

I also disagree with "The certainty that the fire will burn me is based on induction". Language less creatures can be certain that touching fire hurts...

Yup. Ignorance of causality.

I'd just like to show appreciation and support to the contributors. This thread initially piqued my interest since it seemed relevant to my own positi...

Mistakes are equivalent to neither, harm nor foul. Mistakes have been made.

Do you have a valid objection to what I wrote?

My apologies.

Another weird use of "I agree"; as if I said what followed it. Your proposal is that in order for one to have meaningful experience they must at least...

We know enough to figure some things out.

Individual personal happiness is not necessary. Either meaningful experience consists of more than just internal parts/components/elements, or it does...

Self-contradiction is a form of unacceptable argument.

Perhaps, but I'm leaning more towards the idea that our positions are incompatible as a result of being based upon very different notions of human tho...

The sun is a necessary elemental constituent of all interactions between it and other things(all interactions it becomes part of). Not all interaction...

Describing conditions to oneself is practicing language. One issue is that your bare minimum criterion for meaningful experience includes/requires lan...

If a cat instinctually chases a mouse, then according to your method, hunting mice is not a meaningful experience for/to the cat. That doesn't seem ri...

Thought and belief. Thinking about thought and belief. Thought and belief come prior to thinking about thought and belief. Some experience does not in...

Am I answering for your viewpoint or mine? We must first have an experience as well as the ability to reflect upon it prior to being able to describe ...

No such thing! :wink: We're getting somewhere. I'll give the last reply it's just due upon returning. I think I'm understanding our positions better i...

I initially misunderstood you yesterday. My apologies. It seems our positions may be very close. I prefer "meaningful" where you may prefer "significa...

Stand out in some way? I think that's far too broad/loose a claim for now. A creature is capable of perception if it is equipped with biological machi...

How does anything become meaningful before it is ever perceived?

What the mouse is behind? Where the bird is? Perception is necessary, we agree presumably. The tree is perceived as something it affords the creature?...

Interpretation is always of something already meaningful. The meaning is what is being interpreted. So, only previously meaningful things are perceive...

Sometimes. Not all the time. Perceiving the tree in the yard does not require perceiving it "as a tree". Surely, we perceive the distal objects being ...

How do you square that with your minimum criterion presented earlier which demanded being able to describe the conditions of one's own experience in o...

Agreed. Necessary but insufficient.

I don't agree with that. Weird way to use "I agree". At what age are we able to do that? I agree that that is one kind of meaningful experience. There...

That's a great question. Methodological approach matters. Guiding principles matter. Basic assumptions matter. Comparison to/with current knowledge ba...

Agreed. A little early on for an anthropomorphism charge though. If it is the case that multiple kinds of creatures are capable of meaningful experien...

More rhetoric straight from the lips of the disinformation campaign... ...the irony.

I know that this was years ago, but recent discussions on the forum have me revisiting this thread. I must've been in too argumentative a mood or some...

Even granting Kantian terms, that first part makes little to no sense to me whatsoever M. :brow: Have you forgotten that, in philosophy, a priori and ...

Well, say what you will... when your eyes are closed in a dark room or you're dreaming, you're doing neither seeing light nor seeing colors. You're dr...

An open admission of equivocation.

Arguing for them both results in saying incompatible things when compared to one another. Have you been arguing for both throughout this thread, at di...

Light is color. Light does not reside in the brain/mind. Remember this? Your words about color matching. Either light resides in the mind or color is ...

You do realize that they are incompatible with one another, yes?

Have you abandoned the eliminative materialist approach in favor of a sense data theorist one?

Are those constituents of experience? Earlier you said they were. Hence, we've arrived at incoherency/self-contradiction.

Coherency/consistency demands that all constituents of experience reside in the mind. Light comes from where? External to the mind. So, light itself c...

Indeed. Carelessly worded on my part. I suspect neither of us requires omniscience from us in order to know anything about experience though. I also n...

Seeing a cow requires a cow. It's the direct perception part we agree on, I think? Perhaps it's the a priori reasoning that cows are necessary for see...

This topic finds agreement between us. What the cow is doing may or may not qualify as an experience. Extant behaviour seems better here. Experience i...