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Ok. My aim is to do it in practice. I think that I overlooked the importance that "at that time" had in what you were saying and misunderstood you as ...

I'm saying that I've the beginnings of one.

Both...

Not exactly... I'm putting forth an outline(methodological approach) that is best suited to render one.

We're working from different notions of what counts as a basic or rudimentary belief. Our exchange led us into the notion of whether or not a language...

We must be working from different ideas of what's impractical... I use them, and have been since I began serious interest in philosophy twenty or so y...

Universally applicable is not equivalent to infallible. With regard to an acceptable theory of human thought and belief, it must be able to take accou...

I would agree that there are deep-seated issues with JTB particularly regarding the belief aspect... and it's an ontological problem. I find that Heid...

Well which bits do you find impossible?

Well if all you mean to say that all knowledge must be true... we are in complete agreement.

It would if I were. I'm not.

This serves to further drive the point home that I made earlier about the significant difference between our notions of belief. Given that the topic i...

Time zone problems in the settings???

Achieved? :brow: Those are criterion I use. A few here are redundant, but I was trying to emphasize the important bits of an acceptable theory of beli...

Well, that's demanding perfection and/or omniscience.

Yes. The content of his belief included a particular broken clock. He believed that that particular broken clock was working, and hence used it to for...

This seems fraught throughout. The universe is bigger than us with much greater storage capacity, yet we know to some extent how it works, so clearly ...

But I did answer. Those criterion are at work in my own philosophy which is based upon human thought and belief(mind).

Well at least you've granted that the person has some belief or other about the clock. That's a start. Would you further concur that the belief is abo...

Yes. And that's a way to show Heiddy's relevance...

I'll leave this for while... :smile:

Indeed. It's a universal standard. One without exception. The questioning was about what counts as a proper account of all thought and belief, and hen...

The belief that approach fails to take proper account of his belief, because he does not know and/or believe that it's broken. But it is. I suspect su...

The clock is broken. He believes it's working. He believes that a broken clock is working.

Neither of which properly accounts for his belief that a broken clock is working. He looks at a clock. He believes that working clocks are reliable. H...

Denying that he believes a broken clock is working neglects both, the fact that the clock is broken, and the fact that reading clocks is a traditional...

That's seems to me to be a common denominator in both Gettier cases as well.

I don't think it does when the failure was a result of false belief that goes unaccounted for.

We're working from significantly different notions of belief. That alone could be the culprit in much of the possible confusion and/or misunderstandin...

That seems apt.

One that is rendered in evolutionarily amenable terms. One built upon universal criterion. One built upon knowledge of all thought and belief. One wit...

Psychological I suppose. :wink:

My apologies for any confusion. Hmmm... It seems we're even closer than I thought earlier. We're both rejecting the JTB criterion for what counts as b...

That we cannot take proper account of our own thought and belief. That we cannot know what thought and belief is. Broad-based belief of that 'nature'(...

It was a carry over from your example about the new girlfriend. I think we can leave this aspect be. We seem to be making headway elsewhere. I want to...

This seems to arrive at a problem regarding the origen and/or content of belief. It presupposes that all belief is premiss based. I've an issue with t...

Perhaps you should, because that's what happened, and you granted that that knowledge claim was justified.

Yes. I think that we are largely in agreement here aside from granting that the belief was justified. You grant JTB to the person in the scenario, whe...

I didn't say it was. What's at stake right now is the difference between assuming the clock is working and believing it is. I said it was the only sit...

Ok. I suppose I'm struggling to understand the difference between being skeptical about the reliability of the clock and not believing that it is reli...

Could you explain why and/or better yet how an acceptable theory of mind is beyond the scope of both science and philosophy?

Do you have an argument and/or reasoning process... some intelligible coherent line of thought that has led you to such a conclusion?

In different words... I agree with this sentiment. I'm always confounded at what seems to be a rather broad-based general consensus across the philoso...

I maintain the belief that you and I will make headway... somehow... somewhere... not here! :wink: Until next time, be well! Know the show of respect ...

I agree that it is rather unsatisfying. It looks like a performative contradiction of sorts... I do not believe that this clock is a reliable means of...

The only difference between assumption and belief that makes sense to me involves metacognitive endeavors. There are times when we are thinking about ...

The former is existentially dependent upon the latter. The gap is nowhere to be found aside from the gap in our knowledge base and thus our explanatio...

No worries. Curious to see it argued for though.

Are you suggesting fait accompli? As if it is impossible to acquire? :worry:

Are you agreeing that we are in dire need of an acceptable theory of mind(thought and belief on my view)? Are you also claiming that logical empiricis...