But this is different in that we have a known issue, a clear view of the interests, and are just debating what to do. And yes, we do need to also cond...
@"Number2018" @"NOS4A2" I knew this was going to get sticky. I am not arguing for activism as a means of persuasion, nor am I even arguing that activi...
Again, without having any actual knowledge of what “woke” is, couldn’t our current culture—our interests in the judgments we share, what matters, even...
@"Joshs" @"Leontiskos" @"Fire Ologist" @"Number2018" This is going to be tricky so grant me some leeway (if I haven’t asked enough for philosophers no...
@"Joshs" @"Number2018" A breath of fresh air to have actual political philosophy come up (even if peripherally). Mill, Emerson, and Rousseau (even Nie...
Another rejection is in limiting what counts as “rational” “argumentation”. Wittgenstein points out that there is not one standard but that each pract...
@"Number2018"@"Joshs"@"Leontiskos" Thus the importance, which I discussed above here and here, of our making the other’s claim as intelligible as poss...
What I meant was that an individual can make a moral claim that is legitimate, in the sense of intelligible, able to be defended, worthy of being take...
If we are going to call these both means of discourse, they are not competing, opposing methods, as if, for power, or at the expense of the other. The...
@"Joshs"@"Leontiskos"@"frank"@"Tom Storm" Obviously the criteria for judging the credibility of a witness can come off at first glance as…. vague, inc...
@"Joshs" @"Leontiskos" @"Tom Storm" @"frank" You may be wishing to qualify your argument with the above somehow (it’s not “emotion” but power), but a ...
I realized that you actually have done some work in coming up with some theories about what is important in judging these claims (whatever they actual...
If I grant you there are real concerns about mere performance and whether a claim is an expression of a person’s actual interests (on top of social me...
But if we agree as to what moral discourse is, we can differentiate it from simply moralizing, which, as you say above to @"180 Proof", leads to self-...
Just philosophically speaking, we may be mixing a few things together. Presumably, we want to have a discussion about something on which we might all ...
@"J" @"Moliere" @"Hanover" Well, there’s a few maybe unexamined premises here. I take one to be that morality works based on predetermined standards t...
We appear to agree that the “local”/“absolute” framework needs to be set aside, I would say because it is merely a wish, a desire, a manufactured dich...
@"Banno" @"Wayfarer" @"Joshs" @"Fire Ologist" @"Leontiskos" Sure: knowing, understanding, thinking, seeing, being just, but they all have (specific) w...
@"Banno" @"Wayfarer" @"Leontiskos" This seems to be generalizing a sense there is relativism in any practice where the requirement for certainty (auth...
@"Banno" @"Wayfarer" Additional criteria would be completeness (encompassing all variables and outcomes); infallibility or predictability; being right...
I think we are pushing a few things together maybe. I took the “view from nowhere” as the requirement of a criteria of certainty (which I take Descart...
@"Banno" Without a full and exhaustive (-ing), discussion of what “knowledge” is, let’s assume we are all pretty much right that our desire for certai...
@"J" “We have agreed . . . that we would need some reasonable idea of what such a conception would be like, but we have not agreed that if we have tha...
The idea of “reality” was created by philosophy and is not what scientific practice produces, thus one reason why philosophy is “larger” than science ...
I am not arguing that we do not cooperate (even, fundamentally), nor even that this is a “fact” (biologically/socially universal; say, formative of ou...
Stepping in only having read your OP, I would agree that cooperation of a kind is necessary in a moral situation (not everything is a moral moment). I...
That would be the sense that “You can’t be serious!” (Not, denying the fact, but questioning my experience). But I could say, “You should have seen th...
@"J" @"I like sushi" Yeah I worded that poorly, making it sound like belief has no relation to the world, which of course is putting too much mustard ...
@"Banno" @"I like sushi" @"J" Looking at the diagram of associated concepts made me think more on the assertion of a claim of knowledge compared to a ...
@"J" I’ve learned in this thread that belief does have more involved than I thought. Even though emotion seems to be an accompaniment (and not essenti...
@"Banno" I’ve been trying to argue that this “what we do” is our individual responsibility, and not anything like “what’s actually going on” that we c...
@"Banno" I of course acknowledge that we have that experience, even would call it a feeling, but, yes, it is not understanding (see PI #323 et seq “No...
I don’t like the word either. But maybe it is that we are disposed to fulfill the requirements (criteria) associated with what we believe (or claim to...
I’m not exactly clear what this is meant to distinguish; certainly there are distinct cases. I can front (lie, bluster… purport) that I understand wit...
@"Banno" Sure; only to say that what is important about understanding, how it matters to us, is not any process of the brain, as if an internal abilit...
@"Banno" @"Hanover" @"J" I think you’ve gotten at the crux of the matter. I suggest that a better term for this “feeling-about-something” is our “inte...
@"Banno" Well I would hope we can agree that, out of everything we do, not all of it we know why. And, even if we do consider something beforehand, as...
Granted; but the nomenclature is misleading (behind what?). The circumstances for a belief are in the world, at a time, and may define who I am. Also,...
All I meant was its nature is the desire to determine what is right ahead of time, so it has no use for how we mop up afterwards when the rules are no...
@"Banno" @"Hanover" There is no need for a background. I could say a fundamental part of who I am is my belief in Jesus, but that doesn’t mean there i...
I would extract “disposition” farther away from anything like a sensation, emotion, or internal predilection. I would look at it as a circumstance (PI...
@"Banno" @"Hanover" As I said up here, the category of dispositions are not judged prior to an act, and so do not “affect” them, say, in a causal way....
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