I should have said “as we are imagining”, but I thought I made it clear that what the board wants was to add another member, and we were considering t...
I feel like I should take issue with the presumption, but the question itself is too broad for me to answer. Nevertheless (stepping in front of the lo...
“It” being “the idea of one’s ‘experience’ as unique”, in that it also creates the idea of irrational as individual, emotional (relative to a person)....
I agree that how it is done absolutely depends on what you are identifying. And we don’t talk about it because (with most things) we are all trained, ...
@"Leontiskos" It was to try to offer a different way than just a philosophical framework which tends to overlook things based on the terms we bring to...
In philosophy, historically, it is taken as a technical term almost, where our identity is tied to the fantasy that we each (always) “perceive” unique...
@"Astorre" @"frank" @"Wayfarer" @"Joshs" PI #371 Grammar tells what kind of object anything is. -Wittgenstein We “identify” based on the criteria (eve...
And so, never ending… great. In these terms, my point was that the ad hoc assumption of—inherently to prove legitimacy/not legitimate up front—say, th...
I was going to develop the example I brought up and that @"AmadeusD" and @"Fire Ologist" responded to, but I will defer to your lead, as @"Leontiskos"...
You may be right about this; I had thought we were getting somewhere, but getting to what counts for woke, much less to judge if it has ended, has bee...
“He merely, to put the matter colloquially, never realized what he was doing… It was sheer thoughtlessness” - Arendt I have read Arendt; I take her to...
I thought I was speaking Klingon. Yes. How do we tell? What matters to (in judging) it being “woke”? I just didn’t want it to be aaaallllll the criter...
We’ve been reading the Blue Book here, and one of Wittgenstein’s main themes, and first, is that thinking of something else (like feelings) as an obje...
Let’s assume that I am uncertain about what woke is (it seems not far from the truth); think about the criteria you would explain to me so I would be ...
Well done; very interested to mull over. It reminds of the later Heidegger text "What is Called Thinking?" in which the Greek translation of that ques...
I’m pretty sure the criteria is… coolness (surfer coolness)?, but I’m not sure “Chair of the Board” or “Board Chair” meets it (confusing objects?), no...
I assumed that considering using lived experience as a criteria for appointment to a board would be something that would at issue here. As I said, fee...
BTW - I do appreciate the effort, and I am working on a response. I think you gave us a lot to think about. I thought I might give @"Leontiskos" and @...
Does it help to say the board is considering adding lived experience as a criteria for appointment to the board? As far as limiting the scenario ahead...
@"Leontiskos" @"AmadeusD" @"Number2018" @"frank" @"Count Timothy von Icarus" @"Joshs" @"Fire Ologist" Literally the first thing you say? No attempt to...
Okay, but how they decide (what is important in deciding) is based on criteria. Contributing to their goals is one criteria (do we have a goal that ea...
@"Leontiskos" @"AmadeusD" @"Number2018" @"frank" @"Count Timothy von Icarus" @"Joshs" @"Fire Ologist" After the following flat dismissals: @"AmadeusD"...
My first post was to get at why “rational/irrational” gets in the way, and to suggest a way around that, but I think I did such a poor job of it, not ...
@"Leontiskos" @"AmadeusD" @"Number2018" @"frank" @"Count Timothy von Icarus" @"Joshs" @"Fire Ologist" So maybe it’s just better to pin this and take a...
I would suggest perhaps we look at, engage in, the process I am suggesting, using the example, because I’m not sure I can (possibly) clear this up abs...
@"Leontiskos" @"AmadeusD" @"Number2018" @"frank" @"Count Timothy von Icarus" @"Joshs" @"Fire Ologist" This is to start a separate thread than the boar...
@"Leontiskos" @"AmadeusD" @"Number2018" @"frank" @"Count Timothy von Icarus" @"Joshs" @"Fire Ologist" We need a situation obviously. I’ll just throw o...
Obviously I am failing utterly to make myself understood so I would suggest that yes, we should discuss the philosophy as a side note. I would reply t...
@"Fire Ologist" I was working on sketching out a situation: criteria for appointment to a board, but I will concede if there is a more interesting exa...
@"Leontiskos" @"Fire Ologist" I worded this wrong obviously, as I conceded to Leontiskos; of course we can pass judgment at any point, and we must at ...
@"Leontiskos" @"Joshs" @"Number2018" @"frank" @"AmadeusD" @"Janus" That was a lot of argument based on principals (like the above), which I get, but i...
@"Leontiskos" @"Joshs" @"Number2018" @"frank" @"AmadeusD" @"Janus" I don’t know what you don’t understand :smile: what do you understand? (is it high ...
Yep, put too much english on that. I’m just trying to clear a space before the argument; I’m saying that “understanding” is not just to be clear about...
Classical philosophy was always setting a bar—ahead of time, abstracted from context or any effort on our part—for what should be considered “rational...
Spitballing here, but it seems the individual has an interest in whatever negatives there are in getting vaccinated. We could say a society has an int...
@"Number2018" @"Joshs" @"Count Timothy von Icarus" @"Fire Ologist" What I am suggesting is that we do not, as yet, understand the underlying interests...
@"Number2018" @"Leontiskos" @"Joshs" @"Count Timothy von Icarus" Yes, thank you. Wittgenstein will talk about investigating our criteria for judgment ...
Yes it would be (a little sloppy of me). I think the distinction is that our culture may not be taking into consideration other interests (asleep to t...
And I am admonishing that clarifying the underlying interests is a process that is being skipped and is possible. I am pointing out we start arguing w...
@"Number2018" @"Fire Ologist" @"frank" @"Count Timothy von Icarus" First, denial and refusal are obviously not the first steps I am advocating for. Bu...
And then what are the interests of trans youth? What are our parental interests in them? Support appears to be a need; what that is to look like may b...
I’m not sure anyone imagined trans as anything but a funny preference adult men had (Bossom Buddies?), and that it had something to do with wearing wo...
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