The start of seeing the difference is that, yes, we have a social moral structure (as we have lives with each other), but the desire for a certain ans...
This starts with Socrates, but the modern version is Wittgenstein, in realizing that there is not one over-arching theory, but that each activity and ...
The other seminal book (other than the one mentioned to @"Welkin Rogue") is a book of essays on political philosophy called "Conditions Handsome and U...
There are just a few comments I can add. To differentiate, this is specifically not about how we feel or some Humian individual moral compass. Also, t...
I commend this. Of course going through the book on your own first is paramount. I also think noting one’s own thoughts in reaction are almost more im...
The term "mathematical" is Cavell's, meant to differentiate the type of criteria (how we judge indentity of a thing, the ways it matters, what counts ...
I don't recommend this. It's like when people teach themselves piano, then, when they try to go back really serious about playing, it is hard to break...
The picture you have of how language works creates the picture of intention as present during speech. We can intend what we say, as in choose, for spe...
Well if this were any more '90s he would have used the word "agreement", but it doesn't seem helpful in getting an idea of the content or Cavell's met...
The essay we are debating is in Conditions Handsome and Unhandsome. It is a later work that builds on The Claim of Reason, which is a massive undertak...
Imagine we can take every word and placement seriously, as if it all mattered, that nothing is rhetorical (Cavell basically, from The Availability of ...
This is actually the basis of Wittgenstein's method. He sets out an example of what we might say (maybe setting out part of its context) and then make...
You may be interested/challenged by Cavell's reading, which I draw out in the first post, as he compares it with Kripke's, who puts an emphasis on rul...
Not to quell interest in any topic of discussion, but we are at the moment at which something falls apart: your understanding, our conventions, the "a...
Not to get in the middle of this, but my pithy yet misleading title is not a narrow claim that we operate at the "end of rules". It would have been be...
The question only comes after the expression. My claim is that we don't always intend what we express; that that idea creates a necessity which, as Wi...
I would just add that we seem to agree that a moral moment is a particular situation, say, when we don't know what to do, at the end of the rules or c...
I don't have the knowledge to talk much about science, but my reading of logical positivism comes down to the Tractatus and A.J. Ayer's book on langua...
Witt Rules 9/2 Yes I am, and I agree. Cavell says Kripke just takes Wittgenstein to be giving rules too much importance. The hard part here is that Wi...
Hard to know how to take this. I don't mean to claim there are concepts that do not involve grammar at all (though see below). But the role of grammar...
Well thank you. Though it's not very analytic of me, all the imagery made me think along those lines. I'm happy to draw out or cite any of the analogy...
These conflicting ideas: of the prohibition on ourself (our ego, which would urge us to act), by ourselves, that binds us, in chains, corrupted by our...
I always saw The Republic not (at least, not just) about how a city should be put together and ruled, but as an analogy for us, individually. Socrates...
Stanley Cavell makes an interesting case that Socrates is not claiming to have a special or different kind of knowledge. The Apology begins, not with ...
I think we're just pulling loose threads now, but I am not saying that the picture of language controlled by rules, is that they are necessarily bound...
The philosophical realization is that our lives involve what interests us, what matters to us, what our justifications look like, what obligations we ...
e. We're in the ballpark. "The ordinary" would just be all our everyday criteria that matter, say, for an expression to be an excuse, but which are no...
e. We're in the ballpark. Yes, it is the desire for rules like math that Cavell is saying leads to Kripke’s picture of a rule-driven language (a compl...
The concept of "understanding a sentence" is meaningful to us, it matters to us, in (at least) two uses/senses. One is the sense that we can rephrase ...
I'm not versed in Ponty, and all I really remember about Sartre was his character put a fork in his hand because he was worried it wasn't his (a diffe...
I pointed it out for a reason, but not emphasizing "you" as apart from anyone else, but that the way a word has meaning doesn't have anything to do wi...
@"Banno" help Talking about what we imply when we say "I was only following the rule" is to talk about the act of making an excuse, how it works in ou...
Well we are definitely backing into this, and I still don't think we understand the subject we are actually talking about. The way I was taught to do ...
You are mixing together "condition" and "causality". We would say birth puts us in a condition, or position, but not that it determines or forces anyt...
Categorically, Kant would say; Grammatically, Wittgenstein would say: something you have no say in is simply not a choice. Can not BE a choice, consid...
The answer to your question is that there is a desire for knowledge to take the place of acknowledging the other person. But the above explanation tak...
Yes, that is literally the kind of claims he is making. That the structure of our language and that of our lives are (usually, for the most part) them...
If I take this seriously (not just as a trick question simply setting its own rules), literally (to mean what it is saying), as: a claim about how opt...
I don't remember in reading Nietszche of any specific animus, but the ways in which Socrates questioned a person to have them characterize, say, the g...
This is the criteria that Cavell is describing as "mathematical", which he believes Kripke is aspiring to impose on the grammar of all concepts, any a...
I agree the most interesting parts are when he comes to a point where he feels something can only be, or is, shown. The question I'm attempting to ans...
I think Socrates rightly deserves credit for the method. I think the modern philosophy that builds on that is just less well known. Also, the connecti...
I'm not arguing that the TLP is logically inconsistent. Or arguing that language does not work (at all) by correspondence or representation, but that,...
@"Banno" (your thoughts as well, please) The concept of justice was picked as an example of when sometimes we don't/won't know how a concept will matt...
Thank you. Philosophy has to resort to defiance of convention sometimes. I would put Plato's images, Witt's examples in the PI, Nietszche whole bravad...
"4.023...The proposition constructs a world with the help of a logical scaffolding" But he is not stating the "structure of the world" (a priori or ot...
Again, this is not about competing opinions, between you and Witt or you and me. Your assertion that the "world must exist" is not "wrong"; it is just...
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